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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-04 11:20 AM Original message |
Beyond Personalities: Can Democratic Party heal its Big Split in 04? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-04 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
1. The left could make Bush the centrist |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-04 11:25 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Please explain |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-04 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
3. I don't like the corporate centrists at all, & despise the FAUX populist |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-04 12:07 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. That doesn't answer the question |
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CWebster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-04 12:16 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Divided we fall |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-04 12:17 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. That was very eloquent |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-04 08:53 AM Response to Reply #3 |
30. We've sort of gathered that, blm. |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-04 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
5. Which candidate |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-04 12:20 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. You missed it because... |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-04 12:28 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. So then I agree with you |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-04 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
6. Yes, the divide can be overcome if-- |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-04 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
7. The Split Is Between Those Who Want Progress |
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Turkw (521 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-04 12:04 PM Response to Reply #7 |
38. There is not status quo anymore, the right has been gaining ground for |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-04 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
8. Can it? Yes |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-04 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
11. its just a patch |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-03-04 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
14. Kick |
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Iverson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-03-04 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
15. It can. It also won't. |
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nomaco-10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-03-04 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
16. The democratic party is at a crossroads... |
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arewethereyet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-03-04 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
17. funny how much this discussion sounds like history |
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MidwestMomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-03-04 11:40 AM Response to Original message |
18. A lot of the doomsday talk of the Party is media/Repug spin. |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-03-04 12:02 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. I agree about the spin |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-03-04 12:31 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. I don't think it's just spin |
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MidwestMomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-03-04 01:14 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Yeah, I know... |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-03-04 01:20 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. We should have multiple parties |
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tedoll78 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-03-04 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
21. My biggest point of anger.. |
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tedoll78 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-03-04 12:37 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Also.. |
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Bad Thoughts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-03-04 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
25. Disagree in part |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-03-04 01:43 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. I agree in part |
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Upfront (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-03-04 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
27. No Idea |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-03-04 02:22 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Would be great if that wasn;t necessary |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-04 08:40 AM Response to Original message |
29. not in '04, but ABB and ABB-type leanings |
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TexasSissy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-04 09:36 AM Response to Original message |
31. I think the Dem. Party leaders have some top level deciding to do. |
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TexasSissy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-04 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
32. A group that is more inclusive and tolerant has more members. |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-04 11:05 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. I think the "too left" label is misleading |
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TexasSissy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-04 06:49 PM Response to Reply #33 |
47. I couldn't agree more. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-04 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
34. One test will be to see what happens here on DU when a candidate is |
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adadem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-04 11:31 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Doesn't help |
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democratreformed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-04 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
35. Based on my experience thus far, |
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ShimokitaJer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-04 12:10 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. At the risk of committing a blasphemy |
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democratreformed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-04 12:30 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Blasphemy or not, |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-04 12:35 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Unfortunately, we already have the "demise" of the Dem Party. From here |
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ShimokitaJer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-04 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
37. I think you're dealing with a false dichotomy |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-04 12:08 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. I actually agree with you |
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ShimokitaJer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-04 12:26 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. I agree with that part of your argument |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-04 12:41 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Once again I agree but.... |
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ShimokitaJer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-04 03:23 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. I absolutely agree that the DLC are corporate whores |
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welshTerrier2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-04 09:02 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Targeting Corporatism |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 11:05 AM Response to Reply #48 |
54. Free-enterprise captalism versus corporatism |
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ShimokitaJer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 12:31 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. I agree... we can't let ourselves be painted as "anti-business" |
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welshTerrier2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 08:32 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. I Stand Corrected |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-04 09:25 PM Response to Reply #41 |
52. "The fiscally conservative/socially liberal" routine |
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welshTerrier2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-04 09:40 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. nice phrase: "the ethos of the elites" ... |
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flaminbats (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-04 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
46. Both parties have internal divisions, but they only appear in rough times. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-04 09:08 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. But, in the past we've "flip flopped" between issues and had a War and mor |
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welshTerrier2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-04 09:24 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. the only way ?? |
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kerry-is-my-prez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-04 09:14 PM Response to Original message |
50. I'm very concerned also - glad others have realized that this is problem |
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Scott Lee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 08:39 PM Response to Original message |
57. Under a NEW Democratic Party, I hope. |
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arewethereyet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 09:08 PM Response to Original message |
58. no problem Armstead |
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