The Illusion of Choice Has Been Exposed

[Solomon]

I really think that what we are witnessing is the curtain being pulled away.

The election was supposed to be between Clinton and McCain, an illusion of choice.
I believe that both these parties are ultimately backed by the same power. I believe that the power elite in this country had set up this "choice" and that it really wasn't going to matter all that much which one of these candidates would "win".

Barack Obama threw a monkey wrench into the game plan. He was not supposed to get the support he has gotten, especially the money. It seems clear to me that this explains why Clinton keeps continually elevating McCain and herself as "electable", as having passed the "commander in chief test" (whatever that means), and why they will go as far as need be to make sure that Obama doesn't win, or better yet, even get the chance to win. It explains why Bill Clinton cozyed up to the Bushes so much, etc.

I'll put on my flame suit now, but that's the way I see it.

[stop the bleeding]

1. I wouldn't be surprised

but I would have to see more proof before committing to line of thought.

:beer:

edit:typo

[Syrinx]

2. Nail, hammer. Hammer, nail.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

4. Forceps, hemostat, suture, this campaign is hemorraging (sp) all over

the place, pity that.

[papau]

3. Obama may be the illusion - needing GOP love ("changed atmosphere") means per Obama staff no social

programs are expected to pass (as told to Kudlow on CNBC), NO NAFTA treaty ending if other countries refuse to modify into a "fair trade tready" (as told to Canada) - and no Iraq war end in 16 months as told by Obama adviser Powers to the EU newspaper.

[FrenchieCat]

6. You don't "get" it. do you? That's our money fueling Barack......

not the corporate money.

That's why what you say means nothing.

You are the one with the NAFTA Walmart Chinese Trade IRaq voting candidate. If you can't see that about yourself, you need to go and do some soul searching. The Clinton's might be good at hoodwinking, but they can't be that good....in fact, Two decades should be enough hoodwinking (when one looks at the actual record that is left by Clinton) for anyone with even 1/2 a brain.

[JuniperLea]

13. Stop with the Wal Mart slam...

Doesn't the truth mean anything to you? Hillary worked for a Wal Mart distributor when Sam Walton was still in charge... and she quit when he died.

Wal Mart was a stand up company while Sam was at the helm.

Stop repeating lies.

[madrchsod]

35. yes--- the walmart hillary story is a dead horse

of course it was`t the best in the world but at least sam would always buy american if he could...remember when walmart used to proudly display made in america signs?

the same goes for the michelle wal-mart crap

both horses are dead so i think it`s best to stop beating them.. :thumbsup:

[redstate_democrat]

43. You mean that "Buy America" fiasco Hillary was in charge of?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5261251

[redstate_democrat]

42. LIES?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5261251

[Cha]

51. We know by now that hilary's a bon fide liar..the

only thing we don't know is how many lies she's covering up with her "million words a day". To be continued...

[Cha]

50. You mean like hilary lies? But, they don't

bother you, do they? You're not being hypocritical, are ya?

[eridani]

38. Both Clinton and Obama are getting quite a bit from investment bankers

However, Clinton spends hers on consultant bullshit artists, and Obama spends his on organizers. Also, Obama in addition has many more small contributors.

[nancyr]

5. My feelings, too.

[stillcool]

7. but Obama has some heavy-hitters..

behind him as well. And he has the Democrats in the Democratic Party. The Clinton base has to be considered to the right of center. I think we might be seeing a replay of the hate/hate relationship between the Republicans and Bill Clinton, only this time it's the center + right, against the left. I also think there are some global corporations that are being hurt by our policies. I'm sure not everyone made off with the goods in the last 7 years. Ah...speculation.

[Megahurtz]

8. I've seen it this way for a long time

but never said it for fear of being flamed myself. Thanks for saying it for me! :hi:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

9. agree but for me that curtain never exsisted....my father taught me young the truth of all the lies

my teacher taught me

[Solomon]

10. Well, once Obama gets the nomination, they will start painting

him as a radical socialist, marxist and communist, despite the fact that he has some heavy hitters of his own behind him.

It's not so much that the power elite will be able to prevent him from doing what he says he will do if he becomes president, more importantly, the biggest thing they fear is that he will have planted the seed and idea of ground roots power. Getting people involved in democracy.

[BadgerKid]

26. The seeds of hope will demand more water and light.

*mentions historical analogy #1 demostrating inspiration*
*mentions historical analogy #2 demostrating inspriation*
*mentions analogy #3 demostrating awakening*

In my opinion, the longer the nomination process goes on, the harder the seedlings will yearn.

*insert science fictional reference*

[DJ13]

11. I think you're right

The RNC and the DLC are wings on the same bird.

[Cha]

52. The same Vulture

the dinos are worse.

[Bullet1987]

12. Well, fact is...we don't know enough about any of the Money Brokers

that finance either parties. So we really can't say if it's regular wealthy elite...or the military-industrial complex. I do agree though that many of these folks are probably worried about the vast amounts of money Obama can gain so easily from his donors.

[crankychatter]

21. sure you know... their votes are the finger prints

that simple

whatever they say, they are defined by what they do

and you can always tell who the players are, when you read the program

[ecstatic]

14. I think you're right. Obama has stepped into something here..

and it's obvious that something more is going on, as Clinton has not been asked to step aside, despite her delegate deficit.

It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when... :scared:

[NoBushSpokenHere]

15. Think you have nailed it Solomon

Fight between the DLC and the New Progressive Democratic Party... I would much rather be a part of the New Progressive Democratic Party than the DLC which has too many ties to the right. I read a theory today on another forum: They (McCain/Clinton) are roots of the same tree - didn't expect Obama to come on so strong with people and decided to keep the primary going to exhaust our grass roots money before the GE fighting begins. I am seeing too many correlations between McCain and Clinton. Very scary actually.

[NoBushSpokenHere]

16. Just to add

Have you spoken with any Republicans lately? They feel hoodwinked by their party as well... Maybe more people are waking up to the shadow government than we thought?

[crankychatter]

17. OK, Sol, but now FOR FINAL JEAPORDY

....what are WE gonna do about it?

[Solomon]

25. I don't think we have any choice but to try and break through.

I see them creating all these polls to tell us not to even think about voting for Barack because our polls say he will lose. The point to all of that is to try and fix it so we don't even get a chance to vote for him. Get him out now.

I would rather take my chances and let the chips fall where they may. If they want to try and fix it with the machines, that will be exposed as well. I want a real choice this time, and I want to see where the Americans fall into the mix. How far we have to go. We will never find that out if they slip Clinton in there.

[NashVegas]

18. Right. MSNBC and Other Miltary -Industrial -Complex-Owned Entities REALLY Don't Want Obama!

Everyone but Paul Krugman - including Mo Dowd & Josh "I'll write what my party friends want" Marshall - they're all just faking it so we'll be steered to Hillary Clinton.

[crankychatter]

22. GE also = Nuclear Power

How do you think he gets to slide there?

it's easy

Kansas loves Obama.

I never said he was a saint... just the lesser of evils.

[Life Long Dem]

19. It's as if Obama snuck in under the radar for the ratings game

and then Obama caught on with "white people". But unlike Dean... it was too late. They made it a two way race,
They'll still downplay any attack on Hillary, and side with her - on whatever she tries to pull,- but I think Hillary supporters are seeing the "real" side to Hillary and are switching to Obama.
I see post here - all the time - that they have had enough of Hillary. And if you think the polls are bad for her now, wait till the sniper lie, and Wright attack on Obama hit the polls.

[TwilightGardener]

20. I agree. K/R.

[crankychatter]

23. it's always there... just more glaring at election cycles

that's all, I'm done

[crankychatter]

24. PS they need a close election for diebold to earn their keep

just sayin'

[LWolf]

27. I see Obama as part of that illusion. n/t

[depakid]

28. It's all about "unity" with Republicans, don't ya know...

[LWolf]

30. That's right.

"Unity," in this case, is double-speak for "more Republican than Democrat, but have to keep up appearances and package complicity with a politically correct slant."

[RestoreGore]

29. They are all part of it

And you're all falling for it... again.

[Usrename]

31. There ya go!

On the nose.

Lieberman would be welcome in any of their cabinets. In any event, the Bush criminals will all be pardoned for their crimes.

[wileedog]

32. Great post K&R

Couldn't agree more

[QC]

33. The corporate media have been in love with Obama since the beginning.

That's hardly surprising, since he is all about "embracing" the Republicans and all that.

He is part of the illusion, not an enemy of it.

[Solomon]

34. Why don't they just shove him in there then if he's part of it?

[QC]

37. They've been shoving pretty hard since before Iowa.

To hear the corporate media tell it, we have only had two candidates since the very beginning.

[readmoreoften]

46. Because they don't care who wins. Anyone even SLIGHTLY adversarial to the status quo is gone.

Why not fan the flames between Hillary and Obama? Better ratings, and the outcome effects them not one bit.

[gateley]

36. "The election was supposed to be between Clinton and McCain,"

Not all that long ago, it was supposed to be between Giuliani and Clinton -- McCain was practically DOA.

[NoBushSpokenHere]

39. Analyze this:

1. I took a peek today at free republic. They were all bellyaching about McCain - they do not want him and believe they have been shammed by the RNC. Most of the diatribe, you could have substituted HRC for McCain and heard the same echoes here at DU.

2. I took a peek also at McCain's website after someone here posted the link with Bill Clinton's McCain endorsement that allegedly is on the McCain's website. I didn't see it there but I didn't stay long as the very first video I looked at was...strange. He has a video talking about fighting on the streets in the hills, etc. I believe it was a quote of a former speech of some Republican - but I found it really strange. Please take a look at it and post your conclusion. I am curious to see if your tin foil hat is picking up the same waves as mine.

[grantcart]

40. I don't like conspiracy theories - never have but I have gotten really pissed

at this guy Lanny Davis a mainstay surrogate for Hillary Clinton and so I have been researching him.

Well here is something I found that gives a substantial boost to the OP


But I'm betting that such a third ticket won't be necessary, because eitherDemocrats or Republicans -- or both -- will nominate a bipartisan ticket in 2008 or commit to a bipartisan presidency after the election. And I'll wager that if only one of the parties does it, that party will win.

There are any number of provocative possibilities for a bipartisan ticket in 2008. Imagine the buzz if Republican John McCain and Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton committed to making the other vice president in the event that either won the election.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/12/AR2007011201956_2.html

[goletian]

41. its possible... n/t

[EFerrari]

44. I think you're probably right. n/t

[readmoreoften]

45. Yes and what gave it away was how awful the MSM has been to Obama.

:eyes:

Come on. She's with the DLC. He's involved with the Council on Foreign Relations. He wants to expand the military. She wants to expand the military. She's a laissez-faire capitalist on the board of Walmart. He's a laissez-faire capitalist backed by banks, mortgage firms, whose wife advised Walmart.

If you think Barack Obama is some kind of progressive superhero, some kind of lone gunman that terrifies the MSM and corporate America, then you really are a fucking moonbat.

A corporate shill who hires good speechwriters is still a corporate shill.

The game is already over and all the big money capitalists are covered any way you look at it. It's all just sport for them from here on out.

For christ's fucking sake people...

[cooolandrew]

47. It's hard to argue otherwise really.

[workinclasszero]

48. I agree

Obama breaks the elites power hold on the presidency. You are supposed to grovel at the feet of the capitalist free booters that actually run this country.

You are supposed to kiss their rings and hope they give you enough money to win. Then comes the payback.

Obama has 2 million contributing voters that he owes. Regular Americans of all kinds. He will listen to the folks that brought him to the dance.

The wall street, free trade, neocons fear Obama and his movement bigtime. Thats why Hillary won't give up even if it destroys the dem party.

And I think also explains the silence of so many well known and powerful dems that watch this destruction being played out.

[leftstreet]

53. You make a good point

And I think also explains the silence of so many well known and powerful dems that watch this destruction being played out.

The silence of the establishment has been deafening in the face of the Obama movement. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

[Catherina]

49. K&R n/t