Would a Hillary supporter PLEASE refute, one by one, the following:

[RBInMaine]

That Hillary lied about:

1) the Bosnia trip experience.
2) her claim that Chelsea was jogging around the twin towers on 9/11 and heard the planes crash so had to run for cover.
3) being for driver's licenses for illegal aliens before she was against them.
4) ALWAYS being a Yankees fan (after she moved to NY, although also a Cubs fan then not a Cubs fan).
5) experiencing racism as a kid when an immigrant kid, who she said was a fellow soccer player on her school team, alledgedly threatened kids born in the U.S. (although her school didn't have a soccer team).
6) being against NAFTA, but for it in pro-NAFTA meetings and in her book, then against it again in Ohio.
7) not wanting to try to use the Wright matter against Obama, then using it.
8) being for a bill in the Senate but hoping that it wouldn't pass.
9) being surprised that her staff fired the White House travel office employees after she ordered them to do so.
10) being instrumental in negotiating peace in Northern Ireland when the Nobel Laureate who WAS involved in this process said her assertion was "silly."

Please, an honest response would be nice.

And then, if you would be so kind, please specifically outline just what her "experience" advantage over Obama is that she loves to assert with few to no examples of this stated advantage.

And, finally, if you are a woman, please honestly tell me why you are voting her ASIDE from the fact of her being female.

(I have yet to see a single answer on this site an ANY of these FAIR questions.)

[sandnsea]

1. It's not relevant whether Chelsea was jogging

The point is that Hillary said she was outside when the planes hit - the truth is that she watched it on tv. Parents do not make that kind of mistake about their children's lives.

[usyankee]

9. to jog or not to jog

The point is not only did she lie, she had to add additional lies because she is a pathological liar. I am a woman and I proudly am an Obama fan.

Maybe some day a woman President, just not this one. Sheesh! SHe makes us women look bad. I would vote for Michele Obama or Oprah. I think Richardson would make a great VP. Others I would like for VP are Biden, hmm who else. If Obama does not make it, I hope Ron Paul is still on the ticket. He, like Obama want us to get our Constitutional rights back, and he is not for the war.

PS. If anyone should be called "Judas" should be Lieberman.

[eridani]

37. Ron Paul is like a stopped clock

He's right about two things--the PATRIOT Act and the Iraq occupation--and wrong about everything else.

[usyankee]

10. Obama & Michele

I just love that pic of Obama and his wife!

[papau]

12. Hillary was questioned a few minutes after 9/11 & said Chelsea normally jogs and she was worried but

that she had via phone verified she was OK.

Check the video.

[eridani]

36. True. The media did an Al Gore on her with this issue. n/t

[VolcanoJen]

28. I dunno about that one.

Unlike Rudy Giuliani, Clinton's campaign does not revolve around "a noun, a verb, and 9/11."

Unlike Bush in 2004, as well.

SnoopyGate? Now that's a big deal, because she really is running a self-confessed "Commander in Chief Threshold" campaign. :-)

[dsc]

2. Then you haven't been looking

I am about to go to bed but here are a couple.

The Yankees fan thing. She said, repeatedly, and as early as the 1992 race, that she liked the Cubs in the National League and the Yankees in the American League. Given who the Yankees would have had in her youth it is very reasonable to assume that a person from Chicago would like that team if they were Cubs fans. One source for this www.dailyhowler.com (just search for Yankees)

She never ordered the travel office staff to be fired. She did ask the finances to be looked into, and for good reason. The man running it was comingling funds (even he admitted under oath to having done that).

[RBInMaine]

4. OK, that's two. How about the rest? Her "experience"? How do you account for Snipergate?

[sandnsea]

19. Not exactly

http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=162760&secure=9207

"In January this year, a memo by Watkins turned up to shed new light on the firings and Hillary Clinton's role.
'Once this made it onto the first lady's agenda,' the memo stated, 'Vince Foster became involved, and he and Harry Thomason regularly informed me of her attention to the situation - as well as her insistence that the situation be resolved immediately by replacing the travel office staff.'
This memo contradicts the first lady's assertions that she played no role in the firings."

[george_maniakes]

3. your kind of asking for a lot , no?

i mean i barely was able to read to the end of your post. Then again im kinda lazy.

[RBInMaine]

5. You mean you're a HillFan and can't even talk about the "experience" part??

[Kittycat]

6. 5...

How disgusting :puke:

[proud2BlibKansan]

30. Questions are disgusting?

How so?

[RazBerryBeret]

7. very good question....

I've been waiting anxiously for some responses -- I'm interested...

[jakem]

8. kick cause they got nothin...

:shrug: do you?

[Enrique]

11. 1. she lied about the Bosnia trip

2.I don't know
3.I don't know
4.she lied about always being a Yankee fan.
5.I don't know
6.when she says she was and is against NAFTA, she is probably lying
7.I don't know
8.I don't know
9.I don't know
10.I don't really know, but if she says she had a significant part in that peace process I don't believe her.

Regarding her experience, I see her edge being her years of living and working in the White House, not any specific accomplishments.

[cbayer]

13. Why would anyone do that?

You would just shoot down their answers one by one.

You are not asking for information, you are asking for a fight.

What's the point of that?

But I will answer your final question. I would vote for Hillary Clinton because she is one of the toughest human beings on the planet and happens to share my ideological views. Now that's a combination I like.

[Alexander]

16. If the answers hold up to scrutiny, they can't be shot down, can they?

"What's the point of that?"

What's the point of questioning anything? Should we always bow our heads in silent acceptance? Or can we question certain topics every now and again when the facts don't seem to add up?

[cbayer]

18. Well, Alexander, this is bullying.

Nothing more, nothing less.

All of these topics have been discussed ad nauseum. There is nothing a Clinton supporter could say here that hasn't been said repeatedly before and hasn't been repeatedly disputed by those who do not support her. The ardent Obama fans are unable to look at these issues with any kind of questioning mind. You know that. And I would say the same about the most ardent Clinton fans. They are incapable of hearing anything positive about the alternative candidate.

It would be like the arguments I, as a Red Sox fan, have with Yankees fan. No one would be swayed and, if not careful, it could deteriorate quickly.

[Ino]

17. She's tough enough when it has to do with HER.

She fights when she's fighting for HER.

Otherwise, she's gone along with the Repuke agenda - IWR, Kyle-Lieberman, Patriot Act, NAFTA, bankruptcy bill, anti-flag burning, video games - opposite my stance.

Exactly what ideological views does she share with you?

[cbayer]

20. She's tough enough when it comes to just about anything.

She's a lot tougher than me and I would suspect she's a lot tougher than pretty much anyone who posts at DU.

The ideological views she shares with me are the same ones Obama shares with me. I don't agree 100% with either, but close enough on the issues most important to me.

[RazBerryBeret]

24. I think that's what bothers me...

she goes out of her way to appear Tough.

voting against the cluster bomb ban, so she didn't appear weak.
voting for the Iraq war to prove she' strong on foreign policy.
voting w/bush to label Iran "terrorists" so she doesn't look weak on terrorism...

That's TOO tough for me...

I'll take the softer side of Sears, please...

[BlueJac]

14. This is a great post............

I want to read the responses, if they have the courage, or are they going to duck and run for cover, because of your sniper fire.

[papau]

15. Shall we go over Obama's lies - a half dozen about Rezko - 3 about not hearing Wrights sermons -etc

He did not hear Wrights sermons until the speech where he admitted he had heard them.

Rezko was a distant contributor until he wasn't.

[XemaSab]

21. Go post a counter thread and I'll be happy to respond

:hi:

[Danger Mouse]

22. in other words, 'i got nothing'.

[grassfed]

23. good luck

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5236997

[bigtree]

25. said the spider to the fly

[grassfed]

26. an explanation of Hillary's McCain endorsement and race baiting

would be helpful as well.

[Maddy McCall]

27. The last time I tried "honest, intelligent, and nice" in one of these threads....

I got swarmed by 12 people. Sorry, I quit playing these silly games.

[grassfed]

29. Clinton's Curious New Square Four Pardon

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/6/201931/7231/7/470866

Bill Clinton's Curious New Square Four Pardon
by Mrs Panstreppon

Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 05:51:38 PM PDT

I've long wondered about the real story behind the New Square Four pardon and whether it had the potential to bite Hillary Clinton on the ass if she became the presidential nominee. To me, the New Square Four pardon was every bit as scandalous as Marc Rich's.

The gist of the story is that Bill Clinton reduced the prison sentences of four residents of the Hasidic village of New Square in Rockland County NY on his last day in office. The four men had swindled the government out of $40 million in student grants, small-business loans and housing subsidies. The men had only been convicted in 1999 and yet Clinton substantially shortened their sentences.

In August 2000 during her senate campaign, Hillary held a meeting in New Square which was arranged by Paul Adler, Rockland County Democratic Chairman and Clinton confidante. During the '90s, Adler was a White House guest and he worked closely with Hillary Clinton during her campaign. Adler was subsequently convicted on corruption charges in February 2001.

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http://www.jewishsightseeing.com/usa/wash_dc/white_house/clinton_bill/sd3-2chasidim_pardons.htm

Washington (special) --Not only is U.S. Attorney Mary Jo White of New York concerned about former President Bill Clinton's pardon of fugitive financier Marc Rich -- in whose behalf many Jewish leaders in Israel and the United States made pleas--she also is looking into the clemency granted four Chasidim who were convicted of obtaining federal funds by fraud.
Kalmen Stern, David Goldstein, Benjamin Berger and Jacob Elbaum, residents of the Chasidic village of New Square, had been convicted in 1999 on charges of swindling the government of $40 million in student grants, small-business loans and housing subsidies. They were sentenced to prison terms ranging from 30 months to 78 months.

Berger's sentence was reduced by Clinton from 30 months to 24 months, while Stern, Goldstein and Elbaum received reductions to 30 months.

The four men are followers of Rabbi David Twersky, the Skverer rebbe, who participated in an enthusiastic town reception last Aug. 7 for Hillary Clinton in her U.S. Senate campaign against Republican Rick Lazio. Mrs. Clinton subsequently received the votes of 1,359 New Square residents, compared to only 10 for Lazio. This contrasted with the votes in the Nov. 7 election of Chasidim in the nearby villages of Kiryas Joel and Kaser, which together favored Lazio over Mrs. Clinton by a margin of 3,480-152.

Since the furor erupted over the grants of clemency, Senator Clinton has said that the issue did not come up during the August campaign stop in New Square, located about 20 miles north of New York City in Rockland County. However, the New York Post, quoting unidentified sources, has reported that the matter in fact was discussed either during the visit in which Mrs. Clinton met with both Rabbi Twersky and his wife, or closer to the election. The newspaper identified Paul Adler, then a Rockland County Democratic party official, as a behind-the-scenes player. Adler since has been indicted by federal officials on an unrelated corruption charge.

[2rth2pwr]

31. Easy. She has a flair for the dramatic.

[Danger Mouse]

33. That's what you call lies these days?

Interesting spin.

[2rth2pwr]

34. You want boring? You could have had Biden.

[Danger Mouse]

35. Biden? I don't know him too well. Is he boring?

[superkia]

32. Good luck finding your answers!