Anyone remember the Dixiecrats

[Hutzpa]

well, it looks like certain faction of the Democratic party are showing
their true color which is not pretty.

I found this very interesting, a bunch of upper echelon Democrats who
considers themselves Clinton supporters have decided to threaten
Nance Pelosi with withdrawal of funds from the party.

This is about to get real ugly,

This letter was sent to Nance Pelosi today....

The Honorable Nancy Pelosi
Speaker of the US House of Representatives

Office of the Speaker

H-232, US Capitol

Washington, DC 20515


Dear Madame Speaker,

As Democrats, we have been heartened by the overwhelming response that our fellow Democrats have shown for our party’s candidates during this primary season. Each caucus and each primary has seen a record turnout of voters. But this dynamic primary season is not at an end. Several states and millions of Democratic voters have not yet had a chance to cast their votes.

We respect those voters and believe that they, like the voters in the states that have already participated, have a right to be heard. None of us should make declarative statements that diminish the importance of their voices and their votes. We are writing to say we believe your remarks on ABC News This Week on March 16th did just that.

During your appearance, you suggested super-delegates have an obligation to support the candidate who leads in the pledged delegate count as of June 3rd , whether that lead be by 500 delegates or 2. This is an untenable position that runs counter to the party’s intent in establishing super-delegates in 1984 as well as your own comments recorded in The Hill ten days earlier:

"I believe super-delegates have to use their own judgment and there will be many equities that they have to weigh when they make the decision. Their own belief and who they think will be the best president, who they think can win, how their own region voted, and their own responsibility.’”

Super-delegates, like all delegates, have an obligation to make an informed, individual decision about whom to support and who would be the party’s strongest nominee. Both campaigns agree that at the end of the primary contests neither will have enough pledged delegates to secure the nomination. In that situation, super-delegates must look to not one criterion but to the full panoply of factors that will help them assess who will be the party’s strongest nominee in the general election.

We have been strong supporters of the DCCC. We therefore urge you to clarify your position on super-delegates and reflect in your comments a more open view to the optional independent actions of each of the delegates at the National Convention in August. We appreciate your activities in support of the Democratic Party and your leadership role in the Party and hope you will be responsive to some of your major enthusiastic supporters.

Sincerely,

Marc Aronchick

Clarence Avant

Susie Tompkins Buell

Sim Farar

Robert L. Johnson

Chris Korge

Marc and Cathy Lasry

Hassan Nemazee

Alan and Susan Patricof

JB Pritzker

Amy Rao

Lynn de Rothschild

Haim Saban

Bernard Schwartz

Stanley S. Shuman

Jay Snyder

Maureen White and Steven Rattner

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/in_letter_a_dozen_top_clinton.php

[TwilightGardener]

1. Hillary's money-bags want the results they paid for.

[dorktv]

5. And that makes them racist white state rightists fully ready to allow lynching how?

[SunsetDreams]

9. self delete

misunderstanding sorry

[dorktv]

12. I know but damn would people calm the heck down? People kvetching about Speaker Pelosi suddenly

makes them comparable to some of the worse the US has had around?

So what if they move their money out of the D Party? That does not make them racist white supremists, just whiny babies (like say those people who broke for Reagan in the 1980s)

[SunsetDreams]

15. self delete

misunderstanding

[MonkeyFunk]

21. It's the nonsensical use of the word Dixiecrats

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixiecrat

[SunsetDreams]

27. Thanks Monkeyfunk :)

I honestly didn't know the term...

I apologize dork

[dorktv]

22. Well here let us look at what Dixiecrats were:

Dixiecrat:

The States' Rights Democratic Party was a short-lived splinter group that broke from the Democratic Party in 1948. The States' Rights Democratic Party opposed racial integration and wanted to retain Jim Crow laws and racial segregation. The party's slogan was "Segregation Forever!" Members of the States' Rights Democratic Party were often known as Dixiecrats.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixiecrats

Meeting in Birmingham, Alabama, the Dixiecrats nominated South Carolina governor Strom Thurmond as their presidential candidate, and Mississippi governor Field J. Wright, as their vice-presidential nominee. The party platform represented the openly racist views of most white southerners of the time. It opposed abolition of the poll tax while endorsing segregation and the "racial integrity" of each race. In the November election, Thurmond carried the states of Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, and South Carolina. Although Thurmond did not win the election, he received well over a million popular votes and 39 electoral votes.
http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1751.html

A far cry from a bunch of rich people complaining about Speaker Pelosi's apparent endorsement of the Supers going with whoever gets the most pledged delegates.

[Hutzpa]

24. Thank you for posting

because I don't have the energy to feed these one track minded
folks that have been gracing us here lately.

They can do the same research you did, some are just plain
disruptive but I'll live that to the Mod to address.

Once again thanks for posting...:thumbsup:

[dorktv]

25. I have no problem with taking issue with what these money people are

saying or threatening but to compare them to really nasty people back in the day?

Over the top. That is like saying "hey these Obama people want to take away women's right to vote!"

[SunsetDreams]

30. I totally agree...

now that I understand lol

[Hutzpa]

32. I used that term

because it becoming apparent History is about to repeat itself,
might be a little offish but, thats how I feel right now.

In a way its similar, just that these are modern times, so it
is safe to use the term in that trajectory.

[dorktv]

36. Are they calling for segregation? Are they demanding we bring back Jim Crow Laws?

Do they want to maintain racial purity?

What, they just want the Speaker to shut up for a while and used the specter of witholding their money to show her they mean it?

Where the hell does race come into? NOWHERE THAT IS WHERE.

Go learn your history of the Democratic Party and why asshats like the Dixiecrats were something to lose and be glad of losing them.

[Hutzpa]

39. They don't have

to demand the extreme for them to convince me, the method being used is what
I'm addressing not those obvious laws that everyone would recognised.....
no, I'm against the method of underhand dealing, inside room negotiation,
modern day lynching (and please don't give me one of those ho did they lynch
speech). Its the thinking process, the approach and the method.

If you're waiting for evidence before you're convinced then good for you,
but this letter to Nance Pelosi gives me an idea of whats been going on.

I'm not trying to convince you from your thinking, but, from what i've seen
these modern day DLC could simply be labeled Dixiecrats.

[dorktv]

40. The Dixiecrats were about maintaining a social order with blacks firmly on the bottom of that social

order.

These are people just demanding someone shut up for a while with a threat of taking their money home with them if she does not go along with them.

Newsflash: asking someone to shut up does not equate with restricting Americans from their Constitutionally guaranteed rights.

The term you were looking for was "PARTY MACHINE BOSSES."

[Hutzpa]

42. You are missing my point

I'm against the ideology, the thinking, the double
dealings going on, thats what I'm against.

[SunsetDreams]

28. Thank you dorktv...

I apologize for misunderstanding, I honestly didn't know the meaning of the term

[dorktv]

29. It was people like them that made the term "good riddance to bad rubbish" so apt.

[Hutzpa]

33. Next time its

best we know or read the post before we start
critizing.

:think:

[dorktv]

38. No, it is best someone know what a term means before they start slinging it at people

it is not appropriate for.

[muntrv]

7. Yet Obama still raises more money than Hillary despite her money-bags.

[dorktv]

10. Golly, that puts a monkey wrench in things.

[Maddy McCall]

2. I do. Obviously you don't, because your OP shows nothing comparable.

[QC]

4. I'm just pleased that the OP didn't go for the most obvious smear.

There's at least some decency left in these parts.

[WCGreen]

8. Really, what the hell does a Rothchild know about Dixie...

Or Rattner, a New York builder with Cleveland Roots...

[tammywammy]

14. .

[dorktv]

3. Are they demanding that the Democratic Party keep a section of US

citizens below another section of US citizens in direct conflict with the US Constitution?

No?

Then they are not like the Dixiecrats.

[LakeSamish706]

6. Another pathetic group of self serving aholes.... If we can't win fare, we'll...

do our damnedest to buy the election... I hope Pelosi calls them on this.

[grantcart]

17. Robert Johnson leads them - sickening

[QC]

20. Well, he did sell his soul to Legba out on Highway 61, so

nothing he does could possibly surprise me anymore.

[grantcart]

43. legba?

[Leopolds Ghost]

45. God of death and the crossroads, often confused with Satan

Who has inherited many personality traits from the pagan deity.

The god of the crossroads (Papa Legba in Vodoun mythology) is:

* Represented by a traditional (pre-christian) cross with a circle around it -- also and by extension this has become a symbol of earth because this is considered to be the spirit of things which return to the earth.

* Marked by shrines or standing stones (or crosses) at crossroads where vows are made and unclaimed bodies are buried

* Well dressed and saturnine in disposition

* A good musician

* Lives in a casket by some accounts

* Blamed for capturing people and taking them into the underworld, a feat also ascribed to earth-dwelling aboriginal tribes (whence we get legends of trolls, fairies and such).

* A trickster god (not so much a demon of destruction like certain other deities)

[Leopolds Ghost]

44. God of the crossroads -- and a prominent opponent of campaign finance reform.

Well dressed -- perfectly coiffed white hair and carries a cane with a skull in it -- resembles Bill Clinton.

[mmonk]

11. She needs to ignore them and let them have their tantrum.

Obama has raised the most money with the donation average of $109.00. The money power brokers have been trumped.

[4themind]

13. I think even putting them in with the.

"thurmonds" (who's the FIRST one I think of when I hear the term) can really dillute the magnitude of loathing that i felt for his policies in particular (IMO), but Matt stoller at open left refers to several of them as "Liebercrats" in that he said they donated money for lieberman AFTER lamont won the primary <http://openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=4803>

[madfloridian]

16. Patricof et al....also threatening Dean with withholding funds.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1925

Give us our way or we will get our money back:

In an interview with Election Central, venture capitalist Alan Patricof, a member of Hillary's finance committee and one of the Democratic Party's most influential fundraisers, said that he'd privately urged Dean to do more to get the Florida and Michigan delegations seated -- something that's crucial to the Hillary camp's hopes of closing the gap with Obama.

"I've expressed to Dean my feeling that it's critical that this matter be resolved on a timely basis," Patricof says. "The voters in Florida and Michgan cannot be disenfranchised."

"He's got to exercise some leadership, and the sooner, the better," Patricof continued. "This is a party issue. We cannot afford to alienate this large a voting population in two very important states."

It is called Bribing the Referee

Top Hillary fundraisers are (fucking blackmailing) exerting pressure on Howard Dean to (swing the election for their candidate) show more leadership and find a resolution to the Florida and Michigan (clusterfuck) clusterfuck.

However you view the situation, the implication couldn’t be clearer: “If you want the money to keep coming in, you had better do what we say.” I guess they haven’t noticed all the money pooring in to the Obama campaign. I’m also guessing Howard Dean, who knows a thing or two about grassroots organizing himself, probably has. If I was heading up the DNC, I would be more concerned with keeping the 1,000,000 Obama contributors happy than a handful of venture capitalists.

I see Maureen White...she was finance director of the DNC.

[Hutzpa]

18. There are surprising name

on that list....shocking.

[UALRBSofL]

19. The thing about it is

Pelosi was dictating the direction of the delegates. But the rules the SD's follow they are not obligated to endorse the candidate that has the most seated or popular. And we all saw how Pelosi was dictating or directing SD's in a way to sway them. She can't, in her position have a choice, she has to stay neutral as does Dean. I know I have read and heard several high dollar donors to the DNC requested there donations back, donors from MI/FL.

[Hippo_Tron]

23. Old school conventions weren't designed for modern election cycles

We get 3 free hours of air time with millions of people watching. Besides the debates it is the only chance we get to show off how great our nominee is in something besides a soundbyte. We NEED that time or we will lose in November.

[Hutzpa]

26. The point is.....

its not like the so-called nominee is campaigning on the issues, she
is determine to destroy another Dem nominee in order to get elected.

Thats is the major issues people are beginning to have with Hillary,
everytime she opens her mouth she uses it to tarnish the other
candidate. I believe they have been expose enough, this is not
about knowing the candidates, its about kneecapping the other and
then setting a coup within the party.

[dorktv]

31. Read this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Last-Campaign-Harry-Truman-Election/dp/0375700773

See how the Democrat in the race (one of my personal political heros) treated a decent man. And no, not Dewey.

[Hutzpa]

35. Reading couple of lines

from that book enforces my belief that, this is the same crap
the present Democrat(DLC) are pulling.

If it stinks of fish it means its a dead fish.

[dorktv]

37. Pardon? How is it smearing the hell out of Senator Obama like

Truman and the ADA did to Henry Wallace?

Oh right, it is not.

[Catherina]

34. How can we not? They won't go away and let us forget them

Dixiecrats are still alive and well in the party today. With any luck, they'll go away for a while this time.

[crankychatter]

41. Yeah, didn't Fox news sponsor a boycott of those gals?

i crack me up