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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 10:31 PM
Original message
Obama WILL be the nominee and McCain WILL get his ass kicked in the General Election
Edited on Wed Mar-26-08 11:08 PM by zulchzulu
McCain will be a mix of Goldwater in 1964 (Johnson - 63.9% Goldwater - 36.1%) and Dole in 1996 (Clinton - 49.2% Dole - 40.7%) in terms of popularity by the time November 2008 rolls around.

The reasons why are:
  • The economy is going to be in a tailspin with high fuel costs, housing failures, banking failures, stagflation, devaluation of the dollar and the perception will be that change is needed, not a third term of Bush policies, which McCain has put a chain around his neck with.

  • The continuing disaster of the Iraq War and steadier amounts of internal violence between the various mini-nation states with Iraq fighting each other as well as the failure of the escalation (so-called surge) to stop the chain of events will also be tied to the economy, which is being drained by the quagmire and the fact that McCain has stated a 100-year war is possible. This will drag him down more than most people realize right now.

  • The Republican conservative base does not trust John McCain and he will make many gaffes due to what appears to be growing senility and a hot temper, which makes for a horrible, politically deadly mainstream media perceptual combination.

  • Bringing up McCain's history as being an integral part of the Keating Five, which cost taxpayers BILLIONS of dollars, and nailing him to the wall with other scandals that show he is not the "maverick" he tries to make himself out to be will add to the draining of his campaign.

Obama's support in major states where Hillary Clinton won by margins in the single digits that polls had her leading by 20% a month before will be strong. Voters will come out in overwhelming numbers of all political stripes to vote for him. There will be large enough numbers where a stolen election (threshold of 5-8%) will not be possible.

I have a friend who is connected to major details and strategy within the depths of the RNC and he has admitted that they are actually looking at major defeats in the GE if Obama is the nominee and are beginning to strategize for the 2010 races, where they hope to try to tie the lagging economy and disastrous war to the Democrats and hope that people have a short-term memory. Bush's legacy will be seen by the Great Distracted as a distant memory. He has even informed me that he could vote for Obama as well as other Republicans he knows. McCain's national poll number matchups at this time are meaningless. After a short spurt in poll numbers after the Republican Convention in the fall, his numbers will tumble as people see the coming winter fuel costs being higher and other negative economic situations.

It's time for all that are serious about getting a Democrat in the White House that also will bring positive coat tails for other Democratic races to make 2008 one of the Republican's worst elections ever. Face facts that Barack Obama is the nominee and let's mobilize our firing squad toward firing into the soft, bloated belly of the Republican beast.

Game on.

(on edit: a typo)






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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 10:33 PM
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1. And Hillary Clinton SHOULD do the right thing, and drop out. n/t
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 10:34 PM
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2. Yep, Yep, and Yep. OBAMA 08
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 10:50 PM
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10. I think she should be free to try and change the tide in Pennsylvania but it won't happen
I'm not too concerned about this going until April 22nd or even until June. August would be a problem.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:07 PM
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14. McGovern was on MSNBC today.
He said that although he supported Clinton, he hoped that the party would come together around a candidate and not continue to attack our frontrunner AS IT CONTINUED TO ATTACK HIM.

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TexasLady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 07:58 PM
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70. I met this man at the Peace House... Ray you mean?
not even KNOWING who the heck he WAS at the time. Well, I know now. He just came up to me and introduced himself to my backwards ass...

What a Great American. What a great guy, even!
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:30 AM
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23. You had me up until I saw
the Obama-Kerry plug. I mean Kerry??? OMG...we don't need to keep including DLCers on Dem tickets. In fact I hope that Dem voters have the wherewithal to boot all DLC Democrats (aka Republicans) from the party to the largest extent possible. Inclusion of Kerry on the ticket would be a real deal killer for me personally.
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MBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 11:00 AM
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33. Quite separate from bogus VP issue, Kerry is NOT a "DLCer"
Kerry has staked his ground, clearly, and at some political risk, in the non-Clinton wing of the party. His stance hurt him politically in 2004 (as the Clinton contingent was, to put it as politely as I can, less than helpful in his 2004 campaign), and in 2006 (Hillary piling on, along with the RNC, in response to his botched joke). He came out early, and strongly, for Obama, and he continues to walk the walk in his heartfelt, boots-on-the-ground support for Barack. And he continues to fight for open government, internet neutrality, small business, the environment, veteran welfare, restoration of the constitution, and an end to the war in Iraq. It's high time that we gave this man the credit he deserves for patriotism, commitment, class, and guts.
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 12:04 PM
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35. Look at the DLC member list, John Kerry shure is heck IS on it
See for yourself: http://www.nndb.com/group/269/000093987/

It's a simple look-up, you probably should have done so before you posted :spank:
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 04:18 PM
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57. You may want to check the vintage of the list - it includes people like Senator Kerrey, Al Gore and
Bill Clinton. Also - look at the points made on what Senator Kerry's positions are and were. Only elected officials could be in the DLC - so this list goes back to the 2000 at the latest. They do not keep updated lists - you might be interested to know that Tim Wirth and Gary Hart, Paul Tsongus and Mike Dukakis were in it when it started in 1984. Kerry joined the Senate in 1985 and at some point joined. Look at the list - they are not monolithic. Looking at who was there Kerry joining does not surprise me - nor does it change his view point or his voting record.

Governor Dean was also a member at one point - though your left wing site repeats as truth the DLC killed Dean's campaign. The fact is that EVERY candidate attacked Bush's tax cuts and I don't think any of them voted for them. As to National Security policies, Kerry attacked them far more often, coherently and knowledgeably. (It was Kerry who argued in 2002 that Bush blew the hunt for OBL by outsourcing the effort to Afghan warlords who were with the Taliban weeks before - Kerry was attacked by other Democrats for saying that.)

The fact is that Dean imploded in Iowa. His war with Gephardt started because Dean misrepresented (big union guy) Gephardt's position on medicare. In addition, there was the debate where he whined about not wanting to be a pincushion - he was getting the normal attacks a frontrunner gets - like HRC and Obama have this year. There are plenty of first hand accounts on Iowa 2004 - and the fact is that Kerry did far better convincing people face to face than Dean did. There are accounts of his reunion with Rassman - that had reporters with tears in their eyes - the same day Dean coverage was him telling off a 70 year old heckler.

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 03:50 PM
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51. I seriously doubt Kerry will be on the ticket, though he is an outstanding choice
Your DLC garbage gets old - look at Kerry's voting record. Consider that he is the leading expert in the Senate on environmental issues , called so by people from Boxer to Biden. Kerry led on the effort to have an exit plan from Iraq - Kerry/Feingold, a variant of which is now the Democratic position. If you remember, the DLC wing vilified him in the press then. He also is the Democrat with the most credibility speaking on terrorism. There is not major issue in the Senate that he is not a sane voice on.

By the way - Kerry was not on From's list in 2005 of DLCers who might compete to be President - nor did he attend any of their post 2004 meetings. I have no idea who your heroes are - but there is a very good chance that they are in reality less progressive than Kerry.
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 04:50 PM
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58. My hero in this contest
was Kucinich...someone a bit more "Progressive" than Kerry IMHO. As far as DLC "garbage", maybe DLC allegiance doesn't mean much to you, but to me it throws red flags up all over the place.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 05:42 PM
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60. On somethings - yes, on others - no
Kerry was always for a woman's right to chose. In addition, Kerry, unlike Kuchinich, was a serious candidate - and his proposals were constrained by the what was possible. He had a better, more innovative healthcare plan than any of the other viable 2004 candidates. I know Kuchinich was for a single payer plan - and it doesn't have the chance of a snowball in Hell. You could though transition from what Kerry proposed. In terms of what to do against terrorists, Kerry's 2004 suggestions are as reasonable as you can get - where was Kuchinich's plan.

I do not think that the more progressive the better. Alleigance is way too strong a word. The DLC leadership is known - but there is no up to date membership list and hasn't been since before 2004. Judging from From's comment - where he included Vilsack, Warner, and Bayh in addition to Clinton as their candidates - Kerry was way too big to "accidentally forget" as he polled at that time way above those 3.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:53 PM
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90. I supported Kucinich this primary. Last primary Kerry was my 2ndchoice behind Dean. I like the fact
that at various times in Kerry's life he has stood up and done what was right even if it was personally risky.

He did that with Nam, he did it with BCCI and Iran/Contra, and both times it cost him to take such a high profile role. But it shows me that he is willing to fight for what is right even when it costs him politically.

Kerry also has a pretty decent voting record.

I find it encouraging that Dean and Kerry are sort of on the same side of the fence this election.

Kerry hasn't been DLC for years and years. They kind of fucked him on BCCI.
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:36 PM
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85. That's what I thought too
Kerry is done. I would like Edwards over Kerry.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:42 AM
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26. Tonya Clinton does need to get out of the way
instead of working for the McSame campaign.
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mhoran Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 06:28 PM
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65. Well said
Tonya and McSame. Perfect.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 07:40 PM
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68. Amen. And if Obama gets clobbered in general we can all thank Hillary for increasing his negatives
with her disgusting and dirty (republican) campaign tactics.

Her scorched earth, win at any and all costs even if it kills the party approach is the blame.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 10:35 PM
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3. Exactly. 100% right on target.
McCain will get run over by the Obama train.
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 10:36 PM
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4. Unless Hillary wins Pennsylvania by a landslide, I think you will see more
super delegates flowing to Obama due to his appeal to independents and his fundraising abilities.
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 10:36 PM
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5. Old Man McCane (sic) vs Obama
This isn't going to be pretty. Remember when in debate Gore and Kerry kicked Bush's ass but deluded, frightened little Americans still voted for the the Chimp? Not this time.
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MBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 11:01 AM
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34. fingers crossed you're right
It's high time our fellow citizens stepped up to the plate, after having dropped the ball, tragically, in both 2000 and 2004.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:02 PM
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71. One of the debate drinking games
will be how many times McCain tells Obama to get off his damn lawn.
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 10:37 PM
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6. I'm praying this to be true but I'm scared shitless about what the media is going to do.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 10:46 PM
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8. WHEN McCain has several senility moments and shoots off a hot temper...
...and tries to shut down the media from access (like he did in 2000), he will be painted as a sad sack.

Of course, the 24-hour mainstream media will try to do what they have tried to do to Obama, but if it's anything like the "Wright" issue, it won't stick.

As for that issue, McCain has been treated tenderly regarding his ties to Haggee, Parsley and Robertson. He sought their endorsements and is on video praising their endorsements. With effective, relentless pounding on that issue, he will alienate Catholics, Independents and others. If he tries to walk away from their endorsements, he is on video seeking their praise as well as will lose the tenuous trust with the Far Right, which is the Republican Party's base.

Painting McCain as a third Bush term is an essential strategy that will make many decide they have had enough and want a change.

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Sander Donating Member (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 02:47 PM
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45. A McCain Debate Question for Obama
"Tell me John, exactly how would your Presidency differ from George Bush's?"
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DeposeTheBoyKing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:18 PM
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79. Not to mention the Muslims - I don't know ANY Muslim who is still a Repuke
I knew several people who loved Poppy Bush because of the Kuwait thing, but they LOATHE Bush and seem to loathe all Repukes now. No one seems to care about the Muslim vote, but we do care and we DO vote! It's very socially acceptable to hate Muslims now, I guess.
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:51 PM
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89. It would be sweet if the Muslim vote tipped Michigan towards Obama
Kind of poetic justice. I am a Buddhist myself, but I really hate all the Muslim bashing coming out of the right wing and MSM.
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singilarpoint Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:41 AM
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24. I agree..
Between the media doing everything they can do to seat Mc Nuts into the W.H, and Hillary staying in the race concerns me. Everyday Hillary stays in the race is one step back for Obama, the Democratic Party, and the country...
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:43 PM
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82. Oh please, half of the Democrats DON'T want Obama.
Too bad if it's a step back for him, we feel the same but in reverse.
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:44 PM
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86. After you subtract all
The Rush Repigs who voted for Hillary how many are left? I think by November this will play out and Obama will win by a landslide.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 10:44 PM
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7. Response to your reasons:
The economy indeed will be in a tailspin, but will not crash officially until AFTER the election. It is being held together with bailout bailing wire, and Bernake bills with the help of Monkey. The fact that the MSM today STILL has not called a recession should be clear on who's calling the shots. The economy will wimper along until the election. It will be a big issue, but will be diffused. Some points to us, but not enough.

The war. The first debate will have McCain crush our candidate because of the tried and true "liberal war wimp", and cut and run. All explainations by Obama or Hillary will be mired in doublespeak and innuendo, and McCain will win by virtue of him being for the war to continue and not be cut and runners. The policy details made by Obama and Hillary will be like a Monkey Puzzle tree. No points.

Republicans will ALWAYS vote republican. I don't care how many people will vote, once those ads from the republicans start running, they will all come home. Example...Rush, and gang have embraced him.

The Keating Five? That was a non-starter in Arizona, let alone someplace like Alabama. It will be so fucking what? No points on that one.

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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:04 PM
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13. The Iraq War, with a trillion spent and other disasters, is not exactly a good trophy on the mantle
Painting the Iraq War with the failing economy and all matters concurred with the two entwined together is a complete disaster for McCain.

The Keating Five scandal will make a nice reminder and direct cannon ball down into the McCain engine room of being a "maverick". (http://www.realchange.org/mccain.htm)

When the Lincoln Savings and Loan Association collapsed in 1989, it was the largest S&L failure in U.S. history, and it was estimated that a government bail-out of Lincoln would cost the taxpayers over two billion dollars. It was later revealed that five senators had received over 1.3 million dollars in direct and indirect campaign contributions from Keating. The five senators, or The Keating Five as they came to be known, were: Alan Cranston of California, Dennis DeConcini of Arizona, John Glenn of Ohio, John McCain of Arizona, and Donald Riegle of Michigan.


As for a debate with McCain on the war, Obama would skewer McCain on how much it is costing the US, how little it's helping the US and how saying we will bleed our economy and national treasure for 100 years is futile. Obama will be able to say he not only was against the war from the beginning but also knows the difference between the Sunni and Shiites. McCain is cornered on the war... nearly 70% of Americans are against the war.

As for Republicans "always voting Republican", I personally have met many Republicans who despise Bush and don't like McCain either. My father, who has voted Republican since 1968, voted for Obama in his state's primary.

This is a different year than most. People want change, whether they are Democrats, Republicans, Independents or otherwise.



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mhoran Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 06:32 PM
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66. Nonsense
BushLite can't hold up vs. Obama. Even with (swift) boatloads of help from the Rethug powerbrokers and the MSM. Eventually, the MSM will have no choice but to get on board, lest they lose what little shred of relevance they still maintain.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 10:49 PM
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9. I think it all depends on whether the election comes down to issues.
If it is about issues, I think Obama wins vs. McCain.

If it is about other things, then I'm not so sure.
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pocoloco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 10:52 PM
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11. "Trust me! Kerry will win in a landslide"
Edited on Wed Mar-26-08 10:53 PM by pocoloco
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:04 AM
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22. And he did, mucholoco. Law enforcement, however, in the US seems to be
Edited on Thu Mar-27-08 08:10 AM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
entirely at the discretion of the Republican politicos' paymasters.

Well, maybe that's the point you were making. Or maybe not.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 10:54 PM
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12. Thanks for the all encompassing analysis, zulch.
I can't wait until this primary crap is a distant memory. We actually have the best one running against the worst in the final stages and thankfully, for a change, the best one is going to win.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:11 PM
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15. Pipe Dream.....listen folks you still have bush as president and
Edited on Wed Mar-26-08 11:11 PM by BenDavid
one should always remember, if a president will lie us into a war he sure as hell can lie to us about something else and the people will buy it......do not forget this when in September things nationally and inter-nationally begin to happen......

the original wording was, if a president will lie us into a war, he sure as hell can lie us out of one.
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:14 PM
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76. I think about that all of the time. The GOP could claim victory right before the elections.
..."The surge is working", yada yada yada.

I worry BushCo would stage an attack and the country is so scared that they support the "Bomb Bomb Bomb -Bomb Bomb Iran" guy.
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:50 PM
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88. We wouldn't have to worry
About people supporting McCain if Bush attacks us. If Bush attacks us again there will be no election to vote in. They will declare Martial Law and postpone the elections until further notice.
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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:24 PM
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16. K&R!
:kick:
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:31 PM
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17. AMEN!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 05:59 AM
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18. I think this is a reliable working model for the November general,
Edited on Thu Mar-27-08 06:51 AM by Old Crusoe
complete with trends in the economy and world scene, both of which will favor the Democratic ticket.

My hope is that we also pick up increased leverage in both chambers of the 111th Congress. There's some serious legislation to shove through and the bluer the better as far as committee work and final floor votes go.

Obama represents an electoral contender the Pukes are not prepared to go up against. McCain, on a debate stage, is going to come across as antiquated and corspe-like.

"Game on" is exactly right.


:thumbsup:
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:03 AM
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29. You are so correct on making the 111th as blue as possible
It's going to take a couple years just to rewind some of the disastrous legislation that Bush has shoved in. We will need as blue as possible legislators in both houses to get 'er done pronto.

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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 07:09 AM
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19. Don't be so sure about that.
The swiftboating of Obama and the negative attacks on him haven't even started. Get ready for it.
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 03:25 PM
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48. I think it has - HRC started it for the repukes.
Obama has proven to be quite a fighter, taking negatives and turning them into positives for him. The swiftboating isn't working for Hillary, and there's not much left for the repukes.

I have no doubt he's prepared - he's had a lot of practice already.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:17 PM
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77. There is a people powered revolution, get ready for it.
Anybody that doesnt get it, will be sorely embarrassed, ala the CLinton campaign, they've used 1990's style campaigning, and have lost to the point of "SNiper fire meltdown".


Like warning about the Swift Boat tactics..... That worked in the previous paradigm, when the public is engaged in politics that doesnt work.....there is a fresh breeze blowing.
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 07:32 AM
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20. STEPS YOU SHOULD TAKE NOW----->
IF WE WANT TO ACTUALLY AFFECT CHANGE...

) BROUGHT VOTE-BY-MAIL APPLICATIONS TO ALL MY FRIENDS AND ADULT FAMILY

) GIVE THEM "SPARES" FOR THEIR FRIENDS

) TELL MR DEAN TO GET VOTE-BY-MAIL APPLICATIONS TO THOSE WHO WILL BE SHUNNED AT THE POLLS:
BLACKS
HISPANIC
POOR
WHO MAY NOT CARRY ALL OF THE REQUIRED DOCUMENTATION AND IDS
WHO MAY HAVE THEIR VOTING LOCATIONS MOVED OR DISAPPEARED
WHO MAY FACE LOOOONG LINES BECAUSE OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS BEING SET UP TO FAIL


))))))))))))))))SIGN UP AND HAVE FAMILY SIGN UP TO WORK THE VOTING STATIONS...

)))))))))))))))) IT IS TIME THAT WE COUNT THE VOTES
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:02 AM
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21. British bookmaker, William Hill, reckon Hillary has been holed below the water-line
and have pushed her price out to 10/3 from 11/4 to be the Democratic presidential candidate. Obama is now 1/5.
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DeeDeeNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:41 AM
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25. I foresee a major problem
Can the voting machines be trusted. Technically, Gore did win in 2000 and Kerry did win in 2004, even with all the mainstream media bias against them, but * still got the presidency.
Check out the DU Election Reform forum

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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:58 AM
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27. kr
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:53 AM
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28. Repeat after me: Republikans Suck Like A Hoover
Republikans Suck Like A Hoover
Republikans Suck Like A Hoover
Republikans Suck Like A Hoover
Republikans Suck Like A Hoover
Republikans Suck Like A Hoover

etc.

Here's to a supermajority in the House, the Senate, and in our state capitals. Let's all go for it.

The GOP is going down. Big time.

:kick::kick::kick:
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DCofVA Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:20 AM
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30. I have felt this all along
I haven't been much worried about the polls as they are now. The real race hasn't even started.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:50 AM
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31. An Obama nomination is a roll of the dice.
Why even give McCain a chance? The SDs should select Hillary - she'll destroy the GOP.
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:58 AM
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32. I've seen no evidence that she even wants to destroy the GOP
It's non-DLC Democrats she can't stand.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:58 PM
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74. She couldn't even beat a rookie from Illinois..
Edited on Thu Mar-27-08 08:59 PM by sellitman
How the heck do you think she would handle the repiggies and their smear machine? So far I'm not impressed. Also.....you think it's a good idea to throw away the popular vote and the delegate vote? Sort of jettison Democracy altogether? That would destroy our chances totally. Your blind devotion needs to have some limits.
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:56 PM
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91. Yeah with "Sniper Fire"
:rofl:
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 01:39 PM
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36. Barack will win forty states.
Unless he gets more. :headbang:

--IMM
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 01:40 PM
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37. Eyes on the prize, eyes on the prize.
n/t
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 02:19 PM
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38. Mr. Torture Will Have a Very Hard Time
selling himself....
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 02:24 PM
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39. Let's just make sure that Obama is kept safe --- and the populist message keeps going ---
ESPECIALLY the anti-war message ---

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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 02:27 PM
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40. Already recommended...
so, :kick:
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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 02:32 PM
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41. K&R Stop paying attention to these head to head polls. These polls are lulling you
Agreed! These head to head polls at this point in the contest don't mean a damn thing.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 02:33 PM
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42. Of course.
:shrug:
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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 02:34 PM
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43. Come the GE, McCain won't know what hit him
Obama has decided not to tear Clinton down but come the GE... Different story.
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Sander Donating Member (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 02:44 PM
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44. Is Hillary Running as McCain's Running Mate?
As improbable as that sounds, that is what one might conclude by watching her campaign these past couple of weeks
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 02:49 PM
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46. Excellent post!
K&R
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mcollier Donating Member (887 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 03:19 PM
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47. Im willing to bet
the American People are not as uneducated as we were in 2000 and 2004. Now we're really "PAYING" attention for not paying atention in the past.

Obama for President...
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 03:27 PM
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49. I came, I saw, I concurred
k n r
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 03:40 PM
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50. Great Post - The general election will turn on issues
The toughest for Obama might be national security where any Democrat is at an advavntage - and the Clintons worked against us here. The chance is that Obama will be able to convince people that we do not have to live in fear forever - just adopt prudent methods to control the non-state terrorist in conjunction with the rest of the world. Not enough people were willing to believe in that better, more hopeful option in 2004 - the country as a whole is saner now.

Obama and the Democrats beat him on everything else.
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 03:51 PM
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52. Obama WILL be the next President- for 8 years
With our hard work and donations to/for both Sen. Obama and the DNC, we shall overcome the Right-wing MSM and the Republican's baffling stranglehold on the nation.
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cerebellum Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 03:52 PM
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53. Let's hope God is listening
We need a progressive with progressive ideas. McCain is the least qualified candidate of the remaining 3.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 03:52 PM
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54. Wow. So you actually believe that Obama would carry Southern states
or the intermountain West?

You cite some good reasons to vote against McCain (or any Republican) -but discount two factors.

1. Most Republicans are "knee jerk" voters- rational analysis isn't how they base their voting patterns. And they're also mentally challenged in the sense that a LOT of their personality and self worth is wrapped up in "being a Republican." They're simply not courageous enough to have an honest look at their world view- it would crush them existentially.

Having been brought up in a Southern family- I know a LOT of people like this, and they won't vote Democratic- ever. Chasing (or relying on them) is foolish.

2. The corporate media is already framing McCain as a "change candidate," and reinforcing the maverick label that most people already have stuck in their heads. They'll continue to do so- and go out of their way on EVERY NETWORK to distance him from Bush.

It'll be up to whoever the nominee is to forcefully tar and feather him (along with every other Republican)- with all of the profound failures of the past 8 years. Obama probably can't do a whole lot of that himself- given his ill considered "unity" theme.

So if he's the nominee- he'll need to unleash a lot of surrogates, and pick a "hatchet man" with gravitas for his VP.

Make no mistake- this will be an uphill battle for ANY Democrat- even Gore.

In a more rational nation, where there's relatively honest debate about policies and fair elections there's no question this would be a landslide.

But 21st Century America isn't such a country.



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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 04:58 PM
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59. I think Obama's support in the South will be unprecedented
Religious conservatives in the South are wary of McCain...yuh, he can pull out his POW thang, but the economy will be hurting, a lot of the Southern families sending their sons and daughters into the Iraq meat grinder probably want to get them the hell out of there.

A combination of having McCain not knowing where to get his religious support without the Freakazoid factor, having a large new voter turnout in the South and having the Iraq war go down the tubes will make the South very competitive.

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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 03:54 PM
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55. I tend to agree
The Keating matter by itself probably won't hurt McCain that much, but it will hurt him. His promise to continue the Bush foreign policy will do him in even if nothing else does.
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 03:54 PM
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56. K&R
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trickyguy Donating Member (461 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 05:54 PM
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61. Would really like this Clinton fiasco to end soon and quickly. Obamas the man.
:evilgrin:
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 06:00 PM
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62. I hope you are right, but the media is already bending over backwards
to accommodate McCain. I mean, this guy is violating McCain-Feingold on a daily basis and you hear nary a peep about it in the media. Actually, the next peep will be the first one, i think. I mean, you think a guy violating the law he wrote and with his name listed first one it would be worthy of some mention, no?



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InfiniteNether Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 06:00 PM
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63. All of this is great, but...
We still won't know for at least a couple of months if Clinton's suicide car-bomb gets a flat tire on the way to the Denver Convention.
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MzShellG Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 06:12 PM
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64. Bullseye! GoBama...Go zulchzulu. nt
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IdClaire Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 07:01 PM
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67. don't count your chickens...
the race will be close unless Obama has Hillary as his running mate. Otherwise, you will see lots of women go to McCain in percentages that could make a difference. Don't count out how pissed off some white women are at how the media has treated her.
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Liberal Gramma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:47 PM
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84. Does the phrase
"cutting off your nose to spite your face" have any resonance for you? The Democratic candidate is always a better choice for women, for working people, for minorities, than ANY Republican. Any Dem who votes for McCain out of spite is conspiring to bring about his/her own doom.
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bagimin Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 07:40 PM
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69. I have been making these same points.
Barring a radical event I believe you are on the money.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:07 PM
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72. he`s the walking corpse of the republican party
only the remains of the decaying ghouls will vote for him.....
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Hideboh Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:31 PM
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73. not going to happen
once the right-wing smear machine starts to tarnish Obama's image.
He won't survive the scrutiny.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:11 PM
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75. Its gonna look like this
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:17 PM
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78. Can I get an Amen?
:hoh-hah", brother zz
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:39 PM
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80. Wishful thinking? n/t
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pauldg0 Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:39 PM
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81. Good God!!!
..we are sure of it, RIGHT ???
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:44 PM
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83. Amen! bttft & recomend
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:45 PM
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87. From your keyboard to God's ears N/T
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mcollier Donating Member (887 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:58 PM
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92. Victory is sure...
All Barack Obama supporters, please focus on campaigning against John McCain. He is our opponent. And he is already defeated.

Please pass it on....

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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 11:04 PM
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93. Obama IS the nominee and Clinton is the wanna-be. Obama will win the GE.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 11:26 PM
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94. Onward we go!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 11:27 PM
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95. k
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 11:32 PM
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96. I agree. No poll means anything until after the convention around the time of the debates.
i predict obama will kick john mccain's ass in the debates.
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