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pathansen Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:43 AM
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It was not Hillary who originally started all of these "gutter" attacks
So much for being called a "Monster" who practices "smear tactics", dirty politics.

See: http://www.attacktimeline.com/

This timeline reveals that Obama and other candidates have been attacking Hillary from day one throughout the campaign, long before she started fighting back.

When Hillary was originally the "Front Runner", remember when it was acceptable for both Obama and Edwards to gang up against Hillary and attack her because "We are in the primaries!"?

"Democratic presidential candidates Barack Obama and John Edwards sharpened their attacks on Monday on rival front-runner Hillary Clinton as they sought to keep her within striking distance."

See: http://www.portlandtribune.com/us_world_news/story.php?story_id=N29546256


So why the double standard?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:44 AM
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1. You're right; she's pure as the driven snow. nt
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:47 AM
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5. Pure? Who wants to be pure? How boring.
Edited on Thu Mar-27-08 08:50 AM by Deep13
She can be a politician without being either "pure" whatever that might mean on the one hand or a monster on the other. Stop trying to put words in other people's mouths and pay more attention to what is coming from your own.

Pure when describing a woman means "chaste." Women have often been held to a standard where they are either "pure" and on a pedestal or were whores. Apparently this impossible standard lives on in the minds of some.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:03 AM
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28. sis, we are expecting snow driving in chi-town 2-night.
3 inches by 9pm. By 9:10 it will be gray.
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not_too_L8 Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:20 AM
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44. attack time line starting in Nov 07
Edited on Thu Mar-27-08 09:29 AM by not_too_L8
ATTACK:
Clinton Campaign Manager Patti Solis Doyle Attacked Obama TV Ad Discussing Health Struggle of Obama's Mother. "I am writing concerning a false advertisement you are currently airing..." Letter from Patti Solis Doyle, 11/30/07

ATTACK:
New York Times: "Hillary Rodham Clinton's presidential campaign, which is now attacking Senator Barack Obama on a daily basis." New York Times, 11/30/07

ATTACK:
Boston Globe: "Clinton yesterday launched one of her most pointed attacks yet against chief rival Barack Obama" Boston Globe, 11/29/07

ATTACK:
NBC's First Read: "Another day, another Clinton campaign knock on Obama." First Read, 11/29/07

ATTACK:
Chicago Tribune: "Clinton: Obama 'Betrays' Democratic Values" "Intensifying the rhetoric over competing health-care expansion plans, presidential candidate Hillary Clinton accused rival Barack Obama of 'betraying Democratic principles." Chicago Tribune, 11/28/07

ATTACK:
Des Moines Register: "Clinton: Obama's Health Plan 'Flunks'" Des Moines Register, 11/28/07

ATTACK:
Chicago Sun-Times: "Clinton is drawing sharper contrasts with chief rival Barack Obama as the crucial Jan. 3 Iowa vote looms closer." Chicago Sun-Times, 11/28/07

ATTACK:
Chicago Tribune: "Clinton defended her increasingly aggressive approach on the campaign trail Tuesday and stepped up her criticism of Sen. Barack Obama." Chicago Tribune, 11/28/07

ATTACK:
AP: "Clinton Raps Obama on Health Insurance" AP, 11/28/07

ATTACK:
Time's The Page: "Arrives hours late due to flat tire, still gives punchy address repeatedly knocking him."{ The Page, 11/28/07

ATTACK:
NBC's First Read: "In a speech from Iowa today, Clinton went after Obama."{ First Read, 11/28/07

ATTACK:
Chicago Tribune: "Clinton defended her increasingly aggressive approach on the campaign trail." Chicago Tribune, 11/27/07

ATTACK:
Des Moines Register: "The accusation came as the New York senator has sharpened her critique of Obama." Des Moines Register, 11/27/07

ATTACK:
Washington Times: "Clinton, locked in a tight race in Iowa, is increasingly criticizing the Democrats who are hoping to defeat her in the Jan. 3 caucuses, especially Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois." Washington Times, 11/26/07

ATTACK:
NBC's First Read: "Clinton took another dig at her main opponent Obama."{ First Read, 11/24/07


ATTACK:
New York Times: "Fog may have diverted Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton's plane from her campaign stop here on Tuesday, but that did not prevent her from continuing her attacks on Senator Barack Obama's experience." New York Times, 11/21/07

ATTACK:
Reuters: "Hillary Clinton sharpened her attacks on rival Barack Obama's experience on Tuesday, a day after a poll showed her falling slightly behind him in Iowa." Reuters, 11/21/07

ATTACK:
Politico: "Clinton Unimpressed By Obama's Indonesia Years" Politico, 11/20/07

ATTACK:
NBC's First Read: "For the second straight day, Clinton has questioned Obama's experience. Yesterday it was on the economy, today on foreign affairs." First Read, 11/20/07

ATTACK:
AP: "Under pressure in a feisty debate, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton accused her closest rivals Thursday night of slinging mud 'right out of the Republican playbook' and leveled her sharpest criticism of the campaign at their records." AP, 11/16/07

ATTACK:
NBC's First Read: "Clinton is ready for a fight and seems to want one tonight." First Read, 11/15/07
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:21 AM
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45. as pure as the driven slush is more like it n/t
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:44 AM
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2. We will see much more whining from Obama supporters
if he wins the GE
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:47 AM
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6. So your response to a thread in which a Hillary supporter is whining about her treatment
is to claim that Obama supporters will whine if he wins the Presidency?

Yes, I think you're perfectly rational.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:53 AM
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13. The OP isn't "whining" and I think you know that.
Distorting facts by presenting a lie as an assumed quantity seems to be standard procedure in your camp.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:58 AM
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22. Yes, he is. But I'm sure it's "righteous indignation" to you.
There are a thousand nice words for whining.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:01 AM
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25. The OP is not "whining."
Making an observation is neither whining nor indignant. Whining in fact is a tone of voice which is pretty hard to hear on a computer screen.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:02 AM
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27. Deep13's defense of Hillary-camp whining: "if you can't actually hear it in real life,
it's not whining! Whining is only defined as a tone of voice! PIXELS CAN'T WHINE!"

:nopity:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:45 AM
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3. Samantha said the word monster (which wasn't meant for print)
because of the Clinton smear tactics. Nice try though.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:46 AM
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4. You're right. How dare he suggest that her policy proposals are flawed. What a monster.
He should stick to clean politics like Hillary does.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:48 AM
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9. You know that is not what we are talking about. nt
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:56 AM
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20. That is exactly what we are talking about. Read the "timeline of attacks."
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:05 AM
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32. The fact that an observation or remark is critical of your candidate does not make them attacks.
The only reason you are so offended by HC pointing out how unqualified O is is because it happens to be true. You think you are entitled to have who you want and anyone who tries to take your toy away is fair game for any kind of character assassination. O. is not god, he is not a messiah, he is merely another human politician and nothing more. He does not deserve the knee-jerk devotion you guys have.

Is there any point discussing any of this with you?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:08 AM
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34. Absolutely. Which is why this "timeline" is bizarre. Nearly every statement is an accepted
Edited on Thu Mar-27-08 09:14 AM by Occam Bandage
form of disagreement on the campaign trail. All of Obama's "gutter attacks" listed are either (fairly substantiated) claims of electability or policy disagreements.

There's no point in "discussing" this with me, because you just agreed with my only real point: that this timeline is bunk.

Edit: I'm still not sure how you got yourself so turned around. This is like a "Duck Season! Rabbit Season!" episode of Looney Tunes.
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pathansen Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:22 AM
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47. So she's not allowed to do the same thing?
Edited on Thu Mar-27-08 09:24 AM by pathansen
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:24 AM
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49. Nobody has a problem with policy discussion. If the Kitchen Sink was about Medicare, healthcare,
social security, and the like, I'd have no problem with it.
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pathansen Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:25 AM
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51. Again, why the double standard?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:32 AM
Response to Reply #51
53. Who's attacking Clinton for bringing up policy disagreements? Personally, I wish she'd
go back to talking about healthcare.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:47 AM
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7. Obama could be a drug dealer...remember that?
Edited on Thu Mar-27-08 08:47 AM by hnmnf
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:51 AM
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10. Nope. Nice logo: O = Jesus.
:eyes:
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:54 AM
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17. I forgot, you guys have blocked good ole Billy Sheehan out of your head.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:56 AM
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19. Never heard of him. Did you or did you not put JC in O's logo?
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:59 AM
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23. JC? Never heard of him.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:06 AM
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33. You need to say that twice more before the rooster will crow. nt
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:18 AM
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42. And I have the Kool-Aid man in my logo. WHY AM I PRO-JIM-JONES?
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:57 PM
Response to Reply #42
68. In your need to be part of something noble, you made yourself vulnerable...
...to any charlatan who resembles what you desire.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:28 AM
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52. I believe hnmnf was referencing Bill Shaheen. Do you remember him?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22252546/

Shaheen had been forced to resign after remarking to a Washington Post reporter that Sen. Barack Obama’s youthful drug use would be fodder for Republican attacks if he were the Democratic nominee.

Obama’s admitted teen drug taking would “open the door,” Shaheen predicted, to questions such as “Did you ever give drugs to anyone? Did you sell them to anyone?” This would be “hard to overcome,” in Shaheen’s view.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:50 AM
Response to Reply #52
55. Lots of selective memories around here, I've noticed. nt
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:51 AM
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57. Obama farts fishes and pees wine, or don't you have Hope?
:rofl:
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:50 AM
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56. Billy Shaheen never said that.. He never said God DAMN America, either.
And you know both are true.
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:47 AM
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8. Bwahahaaaa....
sure. Whatever you say.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:51 AM
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11. no, it was hillarey who started the mud slinging.
she is much more comfortable in the sewer.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:53 AM
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14. And the Kitchen Sink was the last straw.
That signaled they were ok with being the lowest of the low.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:59 AM
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24. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt anymore.
If you had any historical perspective on electioneering, you would know HC's claims are small potatoes. Don't worry, the R.s will give you some real slime-ball tactics for comparison this summer. By the way, saying something is low is not the same as saying it is inaccurate.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:03 AM
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29. Lying about your own resume in order to make the other guy look less is low.
You don't think so?
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:55 AM
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18. ***bzzzt*** Wrong. Thanks for playing.
Tell 'em what he wins, Bob!

Electoral defeat in November!
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pathansen Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:18 AM
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41. The facts state otherwise. After months of ignoring attacks, she finally broke down
Edited on Thu Mar-27-08 09:47 AM by pathansen
She had no other choice.
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here_is_to_hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:28 AM
Response to Reply #41
64. Man, I wish you were kidding...but you aint, are ya? n/t
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:52 AM
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12. but I thought Obama was a naive little kid who wanted to sing kumbaiya
No way would he be tough enough to do anything this sneaky.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:53 AM
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15. "A pox on both their houses"
is the way I feel about it. I didn't support either one in the primary here. From what I see of their supporters here-every utterance, every gesture made by either them or one of their people is instantly turned from a minor anthill into Mt. Everest. I don't really like either one of them but I WILL vote for whoever becomes the nominee. To me, both of them have too much baggage but Obama's pile looks a little smaller.
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:53 AM
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16. They know and don't care -- it's a gang mentality
And attacking/smearing Hillary is the sport. These people will never have my support.
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:57 AM
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21. That's not how Ted Kennedy saw it
The day he got mad at the Clintons and switched his allegiance to Obama is the day I did too.
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:08 AM
Response to Reply #21
35. Are you even aware of how Ted Kennedy screwed Carter in 1980?
And gave us Reagan? Jeez.
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Pawel K Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:02 AM
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26. Where are all the Hillary attacks on that page? Oh that's right, Hillary can do no evil.
Edited on Thu Mar-27-08 09:02 AM by Pawel K
But since her attacks are not shown your point that he attacked first is simply stupid.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:04 AM
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31. Moreover, apparently saying that you have a better economic plan is "gutter."
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george_maniakes Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:03 AM
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30. you want people to believe a website hillarys campaign organized to show...
how obama is to blame for starting this mess? Are you for real?
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islandmkl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:10 AM
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36. you gotta love it when clinton supporters make these kind of statements:
"This timeline reveals that Obama and other candidates have been attacking Hillary from day one throughout the campaign, long before she started fighting back." (nice out of context/pick-your-own-examples time line just leave out the ones that don't help your point)

"So why the double standard?" (Don't pick on the girl?)

"Distorting facts by presenting a lie" (Bosnia was who's LIE?)

...in other words...

Hillary is not only NOT WINNING a down and dirty contest, conducted as such as much, if not more, by her campaign as well as her opponent(s) FROM DAY ONE....

she is LOSING her 'sure thing' nomination...the one she has been 'destined' to have since 2000...the nomination that she now is trying to 'ensure' for 2012....

...with scorched-earth campaign methods that only she has employed since Iowa and is continuing to employ and escalate to this day...

...she is not a graceful second-place runner, she is without shame for any tactics, she cannot be held to the truth...

she has all the earmarks of a sore and vengeful LOSER...
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k8conant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:10 AM
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37. There's no double standard here! I read the whole "attack" timeline...
and found *maybe* one or two that could legitimately be termed "attacks". To point out flaws in Hillary's policies and to say that she'll "do anything to get elected" are just saying things as they are. They are not ad hominem (or should we say ad feminem?) attacks.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:14 AM
Response to Reply #37
39. Remember to question their policy is to be disloyal and
to attack unfairly.

Just like a sexist Judas, anti-american muslim drug dealer.
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not_too_L8 Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:13 AM
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38. silly post...you take info from...
an obvious Clinton spin site and post it as fact?

stuff on this site you call attacks, are responses to Hillary's inconsistent statements and attacks already perpetrated on Obama.

Why don't you not post a time line from an independent source such as FactCheck.org?
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Shae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:17 AM
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40. Damn, your right.
Edited on Thu Mar-27-08 09:24 AM by Shae
In fact, in following your link to Attack Timeline, I find that Hillary has NEVER!! EVER!! attacked Obama. Obama is the ONLY one attacking!!!!!!

You OBAMACONABABYDROIDS need to WAKE UP NOW!!!!!

If that isn't bad enough, the Portland Tribune article spells out how he attacked our girl for "refusing to say how she would strengthen the Social Security retirement system for older Americans," He then further slammed her by saying that "she represents conventional thinking in Washington that needs changing."
That tears it. I'M VOTING FOR HILLARY!!!!!!

Edited to change "you're" to "your" in the topic sentence.
Edited again to add more exclamation points!!






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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:19 AM
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43. Asking she articulate her plans in greater depth is THE WORST KIND OF GUTTER ATTACK!!!!
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iiibbb Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:22 AM
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46. Some of the "attacks" aren't really attacks.
"Obama's first salvo targets Hillary Clinton"

"Obama attacks Clinton's foreign policy direction"


A - these are headlines that News organizations use to sensationalize the story

B - what's wrong with attacking policy?


To constitute an "attack" requires a purposeful distortion of the facts. This website provides little help in determining if it meets that requirement.

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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:23 AM
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48. I beieve Hillary WAS the front runner outta the gate...
WHY would she have to slime anyone? I remember the first debates...They all piled on her...NOT one word from the media or YOU Obama supporters. Does ANYONE EVER remember The Dem's eating their own...hating each other so much before...WHEN did this begin? Obama is a TROUBLE MAKER...it has followed him from Chicago!
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:24 AM
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50. Oh..and
K&R!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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JKaiser Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:42 AM
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54. I agree with you completely...
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:53 AM
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58. Obama's Swiftboating of the Clintons on Race was the most disgusting thing BO's done yet.
And that says a lot, considering how disgusting he's been.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:06 AM
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61. DU's resident Andy Kaufman continues his most masterful performance.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:55 AM
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59. When Hillary started with her "...the skyyy will ooopppennn.." stuff, the gloves came off.
If she and her supporters can't stand the heat -- that she herself turned the notch up on -- well, you know the rest of the saying.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:58 AM
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60. Mis-remembering...

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out. "Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html


Kerrey Apologizes to Obama Over Remark
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4031436
Kerrey's mention of Obama's middle name and his Muslim roots raised eyebrows because they are also used as part of a smear campaign on the Internet that falsely suggests Obama is a Muslim who wants to bring jihad to the United States.
Obama is a Christian.
The Clinton campaign has already fired two volunteer county coordinators in Iowa for forwarding hoax e-mails with the debunked claim. Last week, a national Clinton campaign co-chairman resigned for raising questions about whether Obama's teenage drug use could be used against him, so Kerrey's comments raised questions about whether the Clinton campaign might be using another high-profile surrogate to smear Obama.



Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs


Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008
The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's
Super Tuesday primary, which she won.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-

2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html


Source: Newsday
Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 at 12:04 pm
Barack Obama Accepts Apology From Hillary Clinton
Washington D.C. 12/15/2007 09:17 AM GMT (FINDITT)

Hillary Clinton went straight to Barack Obama with an apology following a staffer's remarks about any skeletons that may be lurking in Obama's closet, pointing out that she had accepted the staffer's resignation over the disparaging remarks. Obama accepted her at her word, according to his campaign staff, and is moving on without letting it interrupt his campaign plans.


Obama is currently leading the polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, the two early primary states often considered key to the process, according to numbers at usaelectionpolls.com, but on a national level Clinton still holds a huge lead. The most recently posted poll results show Obama with 31 percent of the
probable voters in New Hampshire backing him with 29 percent showing support for Clinton.
http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=30629&cat=5

Clinton Camp Pushes O-Bomber Links: Ignores
Her Own Radical Ties
By: Justin Rood

ABC News - The Hillary Clinton campaign pushed to reporters today stories about Barack Obama and his ties to former members of a radical domestic terrorist group -- but did not note that as president, Clinton's husband pardoned more than a dozen convicted violent radicals, including a member of the same group
mentioned in the Obama stories."Wonder what the Republicans will do with this issue," mused Clinton spokesman Phil Singer in one e-mail to the media, containing a New York Sun article reporting a $200 contribution from William Ayers, a founding member of the 1970s group Weather Underground, to Obama in 2001.
In a separate e-mail, Singer forwarded an article from the Politico newspaper reporting on a 1995 event at a private home that brought Obama together with Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, another member of the radical group.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4330128&page=1


Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says. Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in
her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)


http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20080112_nevada_lawsuit.pdf
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/a-feisty-bill-

clinton-defends-nevada-lawsuit/
CLINTON ALLIES SUPPRESS THE VOTE IN NEVADA...
On Meet the Press on Sunday, Hillary Clinton said her campaign had nothing to do with a lawsuit--written about by Nation Editor Katrina vanden Heuvel--that threatens to prevent thousands of workers from voting in the Nevada caucus on Saturday.
Back in March, the Nevada Democratic Party agreed to set up caucus locations on the Vegas strip for low-income shift workers, many of them members of the state's influential Culinary Union, who commute long distances to work and wouldn't be able to get home in time to caucus. It was an uncontroversial idea until the Culinary Union endorsed Barack Obama and the Nevada State Education Association, whose top officials support Clinton, sued to shut down the caucus sites.
The Clinton camp played dumb until yesterday, when President Clinton came out in favor of the lawsuit.
Clinton's comments drew a heated response from D. Taylor, the head of Nevada's Culinary Union, on MSNBC's Hardball. "He is in support of disenfranchising thousands upon thousands of workers, not even just our members," Taylor said of Clinton. "The teachers union is just being used here. We understand that This is the Clinton campaign. They tried to disenfranchise students in Iowa. Now they're trying to
disenfranchise people here in Nevada, who are union members and people of color and women."

Rank-and-file members of Nevada's teachers union also come out against the lawsuit filed by their leadership. "We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what's right for our students, but that's exactly what they're doing," the letter stated. "As teachers, and proudmDemocrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support."
The lawsuit's opponents make a persuasive point. Creating obstacles to voting is what the GOP does to Democrats, not what Democrats should be doing to other Democrats.


Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.

Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html


January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
By Julie Bosman
KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”



COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized
for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-

johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34


Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March

http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080201/cm_thenation/45278988_1
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET
The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.
----------
Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
-------------------------
Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg
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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:47 AM
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66. Nicely done!
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theredpen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:17 AM
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62. I don't care who started it
I care who's continuing and intensifying it.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:20 AM
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63. God DAMN that Obama, eh?
He never stops with this negative shit.
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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:42 AM
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65. Okay but I don't understand why you call those attacks... they are within
the bounds of political discourse. They weren't personal. Obama didn't go after her Husband's career. He went after her on policy and when she became divisive, he called her on it.

Your post is very one sided. I'm sure you can find just as many points of differentiation on her side as well as attacks. Her attacks were at times personal and bordered on lying.

Remember this one by Clinton?

-he's not a muslim... no... as far as I know.

she should have just said "No."

She chimed in on the Wright controversy... understanding that there is a separation of church and state.

Have we heard Obama mention her church, her faith? NO.

Talking about differences in policy is differentiation. Attacking someone's religion, personal life is exactly that... attacking.

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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:48 AM
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67. critisizing her vote on the IWR, her positions on NAFTA
or her voting record is NOT attacking

attacking her would be alluding to affairs of Bill Clinton

An perfect example of her slur attack was when she said she and mccain were qualified to be president, but Obama isn't

It would NOT have been dirty if she hadn't included mccain, but her campaign has constantly elevated mccain over Obama, and that is bullshit

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krawhitham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:18 PM
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69. Paid for by Hillary Clinton for President
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