"Should'nt be judged by 5 or 6 sermons?"

[RememberWellstone]

Oh really Barack? Is that all that he did on the hate-filled text? 5 or 6 sermons? In 30 years those were the only times he went off against America and other hateful teachings? And you were never there?

Well then Senator, lets explore this new revelation from you, shall we? And, believe you me, it is time for this to be totally exposed. You are concerned about a landing in a war zone with no bullets flying, ok, how many of those sermons did you not hear in 20 years? :hide:

[george_maniakes]

1. disagreeing with america now is a bad thing?

Whats wrong with being against invading iraq? Am i hateful?

[RememberWellstone]

36. We did not deserve 9/11

Nor do we cheer those who kill innocent Americans a week after it happens. How sick have we become to allow that?

[george_maniakes]

99. Wright didnt say that at all...how sick are you to claim that?

Are you unsure or are you just straight out lying?

[Eric Condon]

100. He never said we DESERVED 9/11.

He just said we shouldn't have been so surprised that it happened when you take a critical look at our track record.


Your problem is that you resort to spouting Faux News talking points because you're so blindsided by your love for Zellary that you're actually buying into this crap about Wright.

[NJmaverick]

59. Another sell out of the liberals values

Hillary certainly has a tendency to bring out the worse in people.

[Chicken George]

2. Present

Whooops NOT Present :rofl:

[MNDemNY]

12. Wrong button.

[stray cat]

3. How many complete sermons do you base your critical insights on?

While you are at it could you tell me about the role the church plays in the inner city community - I understand it is socially active and part of the neighborhood. Also, what did you think of the church overall in the times that you frequented it to gain your insight?

[RememberWellstone]

30. Lets find out

This is just getting started. Obama says the media only found 5 or 6 sermons, lets find out.

[Occam Bandage]

77. They've all been released. Why not order the tapes and find out?

[RememberWellstone]

89. Maybe I should.

Thats a good idea.

[Occam Bandage]

92. Be sure to let us know what you find out.

[cliffordu]

90. There are hundreds of hours of his sermons on youtube

from what I hear. He doesn't bother me so I haven't gone to look.....

I certainly wish YOU all the best in your quest for the truth.

:puke:

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

4. It's pretty simple.

Find someone who saw Obama present at a time when Wright said something that can be construed as racist. Or a video. So far nobody has come forward to credibly contradict that statement, whereas many people and video evidence contradict Hillary's account.

[rurallib]

5. OH give it up

if you remember wellstone is this the kind of horseshit that wellstone would care about?

[40ozDonkey]

6. Prove the claim. Can you do it?

Can you show what Obama has done that reflects Wright's bigoted views?

Can you show what Obama says that reflects Wright's bigoted words?

It should be easy, right? Show us the connection.

[RememberWellstone]

24. How so?

If he's lying now, what will he do later?

[uponit7771]

42. Go to Bosnia? LOL

[RethugAssKicker]

43. Oh give it a fucking break !...

[40ozDonkey]

56. So you've convinced yourself, in spite of lack of evidence and input from Obama.

In substitute of evidence to support your claim, you assert "he'll just lie if we ask him."

The reasons that Obama preaches judgement over experience become clearer to me every day.

On edit: It's funny how the minds you read always speak in your interest.

[C_U_L8R]

7. This again?? Keep digging.

You know you're not helping Hillary, right?

[RememberWellstone]

58. Right.

I am helping myself.

[Sparkly]

8. Sounds like they're really having to search for the quotes, though.

It doesn't seem he made incendiary remarks routinely or in every sermon.

I don't fault Obama for what Wright said, or for staying with the church. If offensive views were the main themes of the church, hammered home week after week, that'd be one thing, but I don't think that's the case.

[george_maniakes]

13. The important question is, obama has to prove he WASNT there when he said he wasnt...

only then will he be believed. Proving a negative is always fun.

[Sparkly]

14. But why?

Why does it matter whether he was there or not? Just hearing words doesn't mean they became implanted in his brain and became his own views.

[yardwork]

22. The right-wing doesn't want us to think about that little piece of logic.

Suddenly, listening to words becomes the same as saying them oneself. What happened to freedom of expression? What happened to listening to different points of view and then reaching one's own conclusion?

It's really pathetic, isn't it?

[RememberWellstone]

38. Screw the right wing

I have had way too much of their bullshit, we do not need to be pushing our own.

[yardwork]

51. Then stop pushing it. Your OP sounds like a right-wing talking point.

[RememberWellstone]

75. F them!!!

I could care less what they think or say, they will say or do anything so I ignore them! Talking points? They are talking about Hillary's Bosnia trip like it's the end of the world..sad, that many of us are too.

[yardwork]

97. It's not the end of the world, but it may be the end of her campaign.

We're Democrats choosing a nominee. This was a big mistake on Hillary's part. It's alienated a key constituency - the military and their families. Hillary is already behind. It's mathematically impossible for her to win the nomination through earned delegates. She needs to concede the nomination to Obama and allow the party to focus on beating McCain in the fall.

[george_maniakes]

23. well he stated he never heard those quotes played over and over again...

if by chance a video came out showing obama sitting there while wright was saying something similar, it makes obama look like hillary did a couple of days ago.

[Smelting Pot]

9. Is that all you've got?

Innuendo? Weak sauce.

Prove that he was in that church during these "hateful teachings." It should be easy. Check his schedule against the sermons.

Better yet, prove that Wright spent 30 years preaching hate and going off against America. Even easier. The church sold tapes of his sermons. They are out there and available.

Once you prove both of those things, the world can get back to crowning Queen Hillary.

[RememberWellstone]

31. Evidently no

Waiting for this totally play out. How about you?

[Smelting Pot]

47. Right.

You somehow believe that not only is Obama lying, but the minsters who have come out in support of Wright are lying, the current and former parishioners of his church are lying, and Fox News has their story right?

Wow. That's... I want to say delusional but that doesn't sound strong enough.

[RememberWellstone]

62. Other ministers?

I coudl care less if Mother Theresa rose from the dead and endorsed the minister and Obama. This is about what he preached, nothing to do with who supports him.

[Smelting Pot]

67. Well then...

I'm glad you have done the extensive research into Rev. Wright's career. I can only imagine how many hours of sermons you had to sit through to come up with your independent thoughts on his teachings.

:sarcasm:

[RememberWellstone]

73. I can read and speak English

this qualifies me to be able to understand for myself what is being said. I hope there is nothing more to this, then at least the liberal skeptic in me is satisified. Not until then will I let go. I know I am not alone in my thoughts either. And screw the rethugs, they do not matter to me, we will beat there Mummy in November, no problem.

[Smelting Pot]

81. I didn't know that reading and speaking English...

suddenly endowed one with LOGICAL thought processes! I guess we shouldn't be so hard on the current administration. I mean, most of them can read and speak English too.

Here's the thing: the "liberal skeptic" in you is being led BY THE NOSE! This is a smear campaign, and your "liberal skeptic" won't even do the due diligence required of ANY kind of skeptic to look at the SOURCE MATERIAL for yourself.

Come back when you have proof, not this soundbite driven garbage.

[RememberWellstone]

85. I plan on it!

If we vet this b.s. ourselves, the rethugs will have nothing to shoot in the GE. If he truely addresses the problems now, they are finally put to rest.

[Guava Jelly]

10. Are your arms getting tired?

You know from carrying right wings water? :eyes:

[RememberWellstone]

32. No, not yet.

Are you tired of drinking the juice?

[Guava Jelly]

95. Hell no

It makes me happy :)
Like hugs from baby jesus :D

[izzybeans]

11. Yeah he's a cheese eating volvo driving surrender monkey

isn't he Rush?

[RememberWellstone]

50. Rush is a doped up liar

Lets see if this story has legs, shall we? If 20 years sitting under someone's tutelage means nothing, well then, we got a problem.

[izzybeans]

64. Then why run with his fabricated stories. This story is

a disservice to the thousands of members of that church and the many more served by it in the community.

Southsiders here in Chicago, aren't surprised at the race-baiting, they are just saddened by them.

[RememberWellstone]

78. Race? race?

You got to be pharqing kidding me? What does 9/11, HIV and race have in common? SO, If you are a black preacher you are exempt m answering on your sermon topics that cut people to shreds? Because of race? That makes no sense.

[izzybeans]

88. You haven't listened to the entire sermons then.

Nor have you heard anything else about the man or his church. If so, you wouldn't be sitting her cheering on a textbook rightwing southern strategy political ploy.

And have ya heard, Michele Obama talks about racial segregation, oh no!!!!!!

[Occam Bandage]

15. Damn that anti-American Obama. HE NEVER HAD TO DODGE BULLETS IN BOSNIA.

[Nitrogenica]

16. Wellstone would be disgusted by your childish attitude.

Sorry.

[Occam Bandage]

18. If there's one thing Wellstone stood in favor of, it was HUAC-mongering.

[myrna minx]

19. I'm a Minnesotan too, and this really upsets me.

:-( Why THAT login name, if all it's used for is mockery and derision. :-(

[RememberWellstone]

44. Paul is my hero

And if you are channeling, tell him I said hello! He was the greatest of the greats! I am sure he is proud of the fight I am giving for total disclosure.

[myrna minx]

46. NO I'm not channeling, but I knew him, and you sir, are no Wellstone.

:-(

You have chosen the login name of a man who's death is still fresh and raw here in Minnesota. I can't tell you how hurtful you are.

[RememberWellstone]

65. Thank you Senator Bentsen

I am not Wellstone, but I can and will continue to hold him as my hero. I do not need you and anyone else's permission. BTW, Paul would have supported Hillary but thats another story.

[myrna minx]

66. I don't know why your have to be so hurtful.

[RememberWellstone]

80. I am not trying to be

If questioning Obama's character is hurtful to you, then step away from the fray, you are too close to the action. Unless of course he is your Uncle or cousin I could understand, this is not meant to be hurtful.

[RememberWellstone]

26. You're excused

For ignorance. Thanks for the comparison.

[Occam Bandage]

29. I don't recall Wellstone standing in favor of attacking liberals as hatefully unAmerican,

simply on the basis of criticizing misbehavior of the American government, or on pointing out sad inequities.

[RememberWellstone]

33. The Preacher is a liberal?

Well then, I redact my statements, that makes it all better now. So, attacking Hillary for a landing zone, she is not a liberal, should I go after her instead?

[Occam Bandage]

49. Nowhere did I claim

that liberals are not to be attacked because they are liberals. Rather, I claimed that Wellstone was not in favor of calling those who point out American injustices or foreign-policy errors "hateful," nor was he in favor of attacking their patriotism. Wellstone, it might be remembered, was on the receiving ends of many such attacks, and Wellstone was the finest patriot in Congress.

[RememberWellstone]

53. Paul was a patriot

And was well versed in searching out the truth. I am too. I do not like what I "smell" in this campaign that Obama is running. It just smacks of hiding the truth.

[Occam Bandage]

61. Indeed he was. I'd think in your admiration of him, you'd have realized

that the reason he was a patriot was that he was not afraid to push America in the right direction, even if it meant recognizing her flaws--and even if recognizing her flaws meant that knuckledraggers would call him "a member of the hateful Blame-America-First crowd."

I'm not going to speak for the dead and say what kind of reaction Wellstone would have had to this story. However, I can say that it's disappointing to see a Wellstone supporter firing the same bogus ammunition that was fired so often at the good Minnesotan.

[RememberWellstone]

68. Seeking the truth

If I get hung for that, fine. In my heart I know what I am looking for and it has nothing to do with anyone else but me. If I am not satisfied with the answers I will continue to look for the truth. The hell with the rethugs or Oompas, I am looking for myself.

[Smelting Pot]

71. Yep. You're a truth-seeker.

A truth-seeker who swallows the Fox News smear hook, line and sinker. We need more visionary, progressive, independent thinkers like you around here.

:sarcasm:

[Occam Bandage]

76. Just like the House Un-American Activities Committee was!

[RememberWellstone]

83. Screw Faux news!

So, If I think for myself I am right wing now? I thought I was just the opposite, that is why I am liberal I do not need the RW media or it's jackboots telling what to say or think.

Personal attacks to shut me up? Please, thick skin is required here.

[Occam Bandage]

84. And repeat their talking points verbatim!

[Smelting Pot]

91. You think for yourself?

Wow.

Hey, everybody! This is the guy who looked through all those Wright sermons to find the snippets! They were so digusting to him personally that he simply HAD to put them on YouTube and send them to every media outlet. It didn't matter that he had to sit through HOURS and HOURS to find a few comments that he could take out of context to smear Rev. Wright. The comments he found were just so horrible that he HAD TO!

We are so glad to have such an incredible truth-seeker in our midst! Give the man a hand!

:sarcasm:

[Occam Bandage]

93. He thinks for himself, which is why he didn't actually watch a single sermon before

repeating the Fox News talking points!

I admire his quest for truth.

[Occam Bandage]

74. You're not seeking anything, excepting another line of attack. And if that means channelling

Norm Coleman's 2002 campaign, then so be it.

[npincus]

17. give it up. really patheric.

[RememberWellstone]

63. Sure

When I am done.

[backscatter712]

20. Have you watched any of Wright's whole sermons?

Or did you just see those tape loops on FAUX Noise showing him saying "God damn America" and make the false assumption that he says that on all his sermons?

Try watching his whole sermons, not just the bits cherry-picked by the right wing.

[RememberWellstone]

40. Not yet

But I am sure they will become more available as time drips on.

[backscatter712]

70. One word. Youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvMbeVQj6Lw

Now you don't have an excuse for shooting off your cursor before you learn the real facts.

[rocktivity]

21. Shouldn't Hillary be held to a similar standard?

link

:headbang:
rocknation

[MNDemNY]

27. Where is Hillary in that picture?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

48. Here:

[MNDemNY]

54. I might be wrong, but I thinks thats a different picture.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

72. Same event.

:shrug:

[rocktivity]

86. Where was Obama during the quotes from Wright's sermons?

I didn't write these "rules"!

:rofl:
rocknation

[Hepburn]

25. Prove it.....

...or STFU.

[kentuck]

28. They are all on video..

If there are as many as you suggest, we will get to see them all.

[RememberWellstone]

34. I have no doubt

There's is no way in Hell this is just 5 or 6 sermons, plus the publications supporting nefarious organizations.

[george_maniakes]

104. by that logic theres no way hillary hasnt misspoken more...

really i understand you dont want a conversation, but the point your making makes no sense.

[meow mix]

35. there are 10,000 freeps scouring for more. you helping them isnt going to matter.

and your disgusting opinion matters even less.

[RememberWellstone]

60. Here, kitty kitty

Bad fuzz day? Disgusting because I won't jump off the cliff? No thanks, I think for myself.

[whatchamacallit]

37. Put a cork in it.

Obama isn't Wright. Either provide proof Obama has been warped or ruined by exposure to Wright, or STFU.

[RememberWellstone]

69. Patience, Skywalker

I am looking for that very thing.

[whatchamacallit]

82. Therein lies the problem

Your crusade isn't based on a real or perceived flaw in Obama, it's a witch hunt. You beat this poor dead horse solely for the purpose of giving your candidate an advantage. Please acquire a life.

[RememberWellstone]

87. So, it's nothing?

There is no problem with this connection with the Pastor? No one will notice anything about his incidenary comments? Right.

[whatchamacallit]

96. Those are Wright's comments

You can't tar Obama by his association to Wright, anymore than you can hold Hillary responsible for everything Bill has said and done. You're putting yellow tape around a place where there's been no crime.

[cliffordu]

39. Maybe some nice grammar lessons would make your missive readable.

Maybe not.

Ask your homeroom teacher if she'll help you out. If she cannot help, then maybe someone over at the 'CapitolHillory'(sic) board who haunts this place like the specter of a failed political campaign can fix that mess for you.....


I think I need to take a duMP....

:hurts:


A, yes, all sweet and clean now!!

:hi:

[RememberWellstone]

79. Getting personal now?

I doonk evenp kno whoz you are nows, coold you halp me with mi gramma?

[uponit7771]

41. Over a 40 year period, I think that's a fair statement

[RememberWellstone]

45. Are little lies, little?

I guess Mr. Obama wants to trumpet out Hillary's recollections, so lets find out his in the process. Whats fair is fair?

[Blue_Roses]

52. this is so old ...

that it needs a new name...

Desperation comes to mind:eyes:

[RememberWellstone]

57. Old? No.

One speech does not make 20 years disappear. Where are the good things that the minister has given to Obama? Besides the sermon that led him to write a book, I want to know what kind of inlfuences he had on the Senator.

[susankh4]

55. My guess is we haven't heard the worst of 'em yet.

FOX news is holding back for the GE on those.

[The Night Owl]

94. In one TUCC bulletin, gays are referred to as "sodomites" and told that they won't get to Heaven...

http://www.tucc.org/upload/tuccbulletin_mar11.pdf

Prayer Breakfast
March 31, 2007 • 8:00 a.m. – 12:00 p.m.
Monument of Faith Church • 2750 West Columbus Ave. • Chicago, Illinois
Guest Speaker: Rev. Sean McMillan, Pastor, Giant Steps Church

Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Fornicators,
idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, sodomites, 10thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbers—none of
these will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And this is what some of you used to be. But you were washed, you
were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God. —1 Corinthians 6-9–11

And right below the passage from Corinthians is an ad for the issue of Trumpet magazine featuring Barack Obama.

[myrna minx]

98. Quoting a Bible passage from Corinthians is now cause for furor and outrage today??

Yesterday, the outrage was Wright defending the Galatians against the Roman Augustus administration of garlic noses.

If he is such a man who has "preached twenty years of hate from the pulpit" and this is what you have?

http://www.washblade.com/thelatest/thelatest.cfm?blog_id=17266
Obama pastor backs gay rights
Rev. Wright supported gay ministry, but failed to adopt ‘affirming’ status for church
By LOU CHIBBARO JR., The Washington Blade | Mar 20, 10:12 AM

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama’s controversial ex-pastor in Chicago has largely supported gay rights and has welcomed gays into his 8,000-member congregation at Trinity United Church of Christ, according to activists who know him.

more...

[The Night Owl]

101. Christians are not required to embrace everything in the Bible.

Don't think I'm moved by the fact that TUCC welcomes gays into their congregation. Lots of hateful churches welcome gays into their congregations while condemning the gay lifestyle.

[myrna minx]

103. ?

Nevermind.

[theredpen]

102. How many times are you planning to spam DU with this Freeper shit?

Wellstone would be deeply ashamed of you.

*PLONK*

[george_maniakes]

105. probably about the same number of times he sees a sniper story thread.

i guess in some peoples mind shit + shit = democrats win.