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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:33 AM
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Dear Ms. Clinton, Regarding the Disenfranchisement of voters.....STOP IT!!!
Edited on Thu Mar-27-08 11:03 AM by Perky
It is with considerable hubris, Hubris we have seen only from the current regime, that you have the audacity to charge your opponent with wanting to disenfranchise voters, when the words uttered repeatedly by you, your campaign and it surrogates seem to have suggested the very same thing from the start of the campaign...repeatedly

That caucuses do not matter.
Then saying that small states don't matter
Then saying that swing states don't matter
Then saying that only big blue states matter
The saying that only democratic voters matter
Then saying that only popular votes matter
Then by claiming that Michigan should count as is.
Then saying that really all that matters is a reformulation tied to electoral votes
Then by threatening and practically bullying Nancy Pelosi to keep her mouth shut or else.

But by most recently saying that pledged delegates should be free to disregard the votes of the people in the other 48 states You, not Mr. Obama are the one who repeatedly has proposed disenfranchising the voters.


Since Super Tuesday, Ms. Clinton you have

Won Two states to Mr. Obama's 14

You have garnered 4.3M (46%) votes to Mr. Obama's 5M (54%)

You have won 368 pledged delegates (43%) while your opponent has won 486 (57%)

Ms. Clinton since February you have secured the endorsement of 8 super-delegates to your opponent's gain of 52.

And yet you continue to denigrate his stature and lie about your own record of accomplishment and experience.

You ma'am, with all the respect you are entitled to at this point in the primary process, must change your tone and that of your surrogate. You must forcefully impose your control over those who speak on your behalf starting with your husband and you senior staff.

You are damaging the party, the respect you have gained through your years of public service, the electability of the Democratic nominee and risking the substantial gains we could make in both houses. In so doing you are willing to risk a more conservative Supreme Court and the continuation of this egregious debacle in Iraq which you supported. You are severely damaging yourself with new democratic voters and the most solid and reliable element of the Democratic coalition.

Ms. Clinton votes so in fact matter.. ALL Votes Matter. The Rules of the DUNC apply to everyone, everywhere all the time. They apply to you as much as they apply to Senator Obama: no more and certainly no less.

The People have spoken and they have thus far chosen someone else. There must come a point where you put party unity and the nation ahead of your own ambition. No one like to lose.....but no one likes a sore loser.

I am happy for you to stay in the race until the last vote is counted in Pierre. That is your right, but you must respect the process and you must respect the voters. To continue this battle, publicly and shamelessly after that point, when you are still 150 down in pledged delegates is not only ugly and divisive, it is disrespectful of the voters: The voters your campaign must simply ignore in order to win the nomination.

If you continue down this destructive path it is not your ambition that should disqualify you, It is your arrogance and your presumption that you know better than the nearly 30 Million voters who have voiced their opinions on you and Senator Obama in voting booths, caucus rooms and conventions across the country.

STOP IT!

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pkz Donating Member (595 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:35 AM
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1. bout time someone said this outloud!
:kick:
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pbca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:35 AM
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2. HRC is not a democrat (small d)
She's a would be dictator born in the wrong country.

She and Bill want power, badly, lots of it, and will say or do absolutely anything to get it.
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flor de jasmim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:36 AM
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3. Amen. But she needs to be convinced that it is in her self-interest to stop, and
it doesn't seem to have happened yet.
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:36 AM
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4. k/r
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:39 AM
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5. K&R
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:40 AM
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6. Excellent. Adding some numbers to debunk her harping on FL and MI
Actual Popular Vote Total
Obama 13,355,239 (+717,276)
Hillary 12,637,963


FL
Obama 576,214
Hillary 870,986
Total votes 1,447,200

Popular Vote (w/FL)
Obama 13,931,453 (+422,504)
Hillary 13,508,949


MI
Clinton 328,151
Uncommitted 237,762

Popular Vote (w/FL and MI)
Obama 13,931,453 (+94,195)
Clinton 13,837,258

Let's say Obama got the uncommitted MI votes

Popular Vote (w/FL and MI)
Obama 14,169,215 (+331,957)
Clinton 13,837,258

In these scenarios Obama is clearly ahead, even with no MI votes going to him.

What would a revote mean? Hillary would not get more than 58% of the MI and 60% of the FL vote as indicated above. She cannot win with a revote in MI and FL.



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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 11:06 AM
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13. Her rgument hon Michigan being fair is simply absurd
A revote would at this point probably hurt her.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:42 AM
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7. GREAT Piece Perky...I couldn't have said it any better myself
The hypocrisy of the Clinton's is SEVERE!! They speak out of two sides of their collective mouth, and contradict themselves so much, it's incredible that people are just NOW beginning to notice.

The Clintons have a hypocrisy problem.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 12:35 PM
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14. Thank you
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:45 AM
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8. Took the words right outa my mouth ...
I wish!
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:48 AM
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Yes Indeed
:kick: and thanks for the attention to detail!!
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:48 AM
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9. I disagree with your post and I believe I speak for a lot of voters
Hillary is down 700,000 voters and the people that voted for her do not want to see her give up. She is not divisive to us, nor is she splitting the party. There are 9 primaries to go not including FL/MI and this can be close at the end. At that time the superdelegates will need to make a decision on whom they will endorse. So, to say she has disenfranchised 30 million voters is a lie. She has only disenfranchised Obama supporters but not Hillary supporters. That being said, you don't speak for me and half of the 30 million voters that are for Hillary.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:52 AM
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12. I have not ask her to leave the race
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here_is_to_hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:50 AM
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10. "Error: You've already recommended that thread."...dammit! n/t
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 06:52 PM
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15. thanks for the thought anyway.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:52 AM
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11. Right on - You know what really bothers me is the Clinton Law is like Bush law..
HRC & Bill seem to make their own rules just like W does! I heard a guy on one of the radio shows say he worked in the NV caucuses and Hillary supporters brought in their own booklets and tried to use their own booklets over the official Dem one he had! He couldn't believe it when they tried to use their rules over the real ones!

:wow: Talk about audacity!!!!!
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TheDeathadder Donating Member (731 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 06:55 PM
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16. She can't hear you from your high horse
so you can stop your rhetoric
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KAZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 06:56 PM
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17. Excellent post. K&R!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 06:56 PM
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18. Thank you.
K&R
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 06:57 PM
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19. Seems to me the whiners are the ones tearing the party apart... eom
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 06:57 PM
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20. K&R
:kick:
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 07:19 PM
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21. kicking
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canadian_is_cold Donating Member (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 07:38 PM
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22. K&aaaaaarrrrrrrrR n/t
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:10 PM
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23. thanks
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:17 PM
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24. 30 million voters?
so, the voters who preferred Hillary don't count in the equation?

Hubris is one thing- hypocrisy is another....
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:36 PM
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26. Read what I said.
30 Milliion votets had expressed an opinion on both cadidates.

What is wrong with that?
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 06:03 AM
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28. I read it- which is why I wondered
I know it's just a message board, but still, you could make your point without exaggerating. That's just the sort of deal that got Hillary into trouble this past week.

And gets me into trouble too, from time to time. ;)
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 07:35 AM
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29. Hillary did not exxagerate....she lied!
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:33 PM
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25. What a great post. K&R.
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 02:23 AM
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27. Here's what gets me
I keep hearing Hillary supporters (and I think I've heard Hillary herself say it, though I'm not going to bother trying to back that up and freely admit that I may be remembering wrong) that the Obama campaign is trying to disenfranchise the voters of FL and MI.

But here's the thing: The Obama campaign didn't have jack shit to do with MI and FL. MI and FL chose to break the rules, after being warned by the DNC of the consequences. It is complete bullshit to try to pin any of it on the Obama campaign. So stop it already. You're only making yourselves look foolish.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 08:41 AM
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30. exactly
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