Democrats who will vote for McCain instead of our nominee deserve to be...

[George_Bonanza]

(Note, this includes Obama backers who wouldn't vote for Hillary if she should somehow win the nomination)

1) Shipped off to Iraq or Iran for a 15-month tour of duty, after which they will be stop-lossed multiple times.

2) Experience a situation with an unwanted pregnancy in which the woman will not have the freedom over her own body.

3) Have their life savings wiped by with another Bear Stearns-like collapse, as well as have their homes foreclosed.

4) Threatened and egged on the streets of foreign countries for being a citizen of a country that re-elected the party of George Bush.

5) Pay 10 dollars for a gallon of gas, and be forced to ration bottled water.

Please, add to the list.

My point is this: get the fuck over your precious identity politics. If the demise of Hillary brings back bitter memories of nasty boy bullies in elementary school, that doesn't mean that America deserves to suffer under another Republican administration. Get the fuck over yourself because your ego is not worth one iota of the country's future. Anything less than a vote for the Democratic nominee is a vote for McCain. Obama and Hillary have very similar stances on most issues, and if you find yourself unable to switch your support, you're a racist, sexist, moron, or suffering from a dangerously childish level of sour grapes. Hate to sound so authoritarian, but please, fall the fuck back in line.

[dkf]

1. What makes you think Hillary won't go into Iran?

and stay in Iraq?

Frankly, I wouldn't count on that.

[olkaz]

2. I share these concerns, BUT

It is much less likely with Hillary than with McCain.

At least Hillary is saying that she wants the troops home.

McCain's hundred-year strategy must be avoided at all costs.

[cyclezealot]

3. Agree , that would be justice

Still. It's a pr problem , to a great extent of our own making.
how about making a fresh start by Drafting Gore.
Will he come thru for the well being of the US.

[cyclezealot]

4. Agree , that would be justice

Still. It's a pr problem , to a great extent of our own making.
how about making a fresh start by Drafting Gore.
Will he come thru for the well being of the US.

[cyclezealot]

5. that would be justice

still , this is a pr problem of our own making. How about solving it by Drafting Gore. WIll he do it if its what need be done to save the USA.

[HooptieWagon]

6. I suspect that a majority of those "defectors"

are feminists who support Hillary mainly b/c she's a woman.... since no true Dem can support corporatism , war-mongering, and bombing civilians. So, the question to them is: Between McCain and Obama, which candidate is more likely to support woman's issues, including pro-choice? I think any Clinton supporter who defects to McCain can pretty much kiss choice and other woman's issues goodbye. I wonder how much of their claim to vote McCain is merely bluster, and how much is pure spite. Either way, doesn't speak much for their values or committment to Democratic principles, only to their selfishness.

[George_Bonanza]

10. True feminists would NEVER support McCain

[LostinVA]

19. OMGAAAAAWD

[Hutzpa]

7. They are the 28% who are considered

to be dumb fucks...

:evilgrin:

[TeamsterDem]

8. I would NEVER vote for McCain, but ...

I disagree that wanting Obama or no other Dem is tantamount to "identity politics" or ego stroking. Fact is that many want Obama as the nominee and future president and *DON'T* want Hillary as same because they believe that he has great promise and that she's only a smidgen "better" than McCain. That argument's for another time but the fact is that it's not "identity politics" to pick your horse because of what they stand for while opposing another candidate because of what they stand for. In fact that's how democracy works.

[George_Bonanza]

12. Hillary is better than McBush

[TeamsterDem]

14. That may or may not be

But to stay on-topic my argument was only that to dismiss the practice of voting for whom you feel is best suited for the job - conversely opposing those whom you feel are not - by labeling it as "identity politics" suggests adherence to a practice abhorred by our Constitution's framers: Party politics.

I'm not voting for Obama cuz he's "so nifty," I'm voting for him because I think he's the best suited for the job. Similarly, I would NEVER vote for McCain even if he were running unopposed because I think he's either going into or is well into the grip of senility. I'm not going to bash Hillary here, but I'll just say that I don't think she's suited for the job. I'm not saying she's a bad person or anything; I just don't believe she's capable of being president.

[usrbs]

9. How about those that are going to abstain and live in swing states?

[George_Bonanza]

11. Inaction = Vote for McCain

[SOS]

15. Hopefully those voters will be evened out

by right-wing extremists who will stay home because they won't vote for McCain.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

13. Be put in prison for demonstrating

or be hauled off to a detention center because of illegal wiretaps revealing they don't like Republicans.

[bunnies]

16. "fall the fuck back in line"

Shit. Why not just kill off all the dissenters and be done with it.

[zalinda]

17. And, still YOU don't get it

Many people DON'T LIKE Obama or Clinton and 98% of the dems voting in the primary DID NOT get to vote for THEIR candidate, but had to vote for the 2 leftover corporate candidates. So, 2% of the voting primary dems got to pick their candidate, but the other dems were told to "get over yourself". Most people only loosely identify themselves to a party, not strongly. Why vote for someone you don't like when McCain doesn't seem that bad?

It has nothing to do with race or gender, get over that crap meme. Yeah, for some it bothers them, but for the most part it doesn't. This has been the worse primary that I can ever remember, and the most bitter. The plain simple fact is that out of the three, most people will think, I don't see much of a difference. If our ego battling dems had been talking policy and issues instead of flinging mud, maybe it would have made a difference, but they haven't.

McCain has been given a free ride, and the crap that both ego dem candidates has been in the media constantly. So, looking at it like the average voter, who would you vote for? Would you vote for the lying bitch or the black racist? They will vote for the grandfatherly McCain, because he will make them feel safe.

zalinda

[Az_lefty]

18. As much as I can't stand the f*cking Clinton's any more...

I would vote for Hillary over McQueeg...just wouldn't tell anyone.