It is my vote, and I will vote how I please

[mdmc]

I don't owe these rat worm DINOS a thing. As long as America is still called a "democracy" I will vote for the best person for the position.

When we finally admit to our fascism, I will lockstep with the rest of the facepainters.

Until then, viva CHOICE!

[Yael]

1. Way to stick it to the man!

[LWolf]

2. I always vote my choice,

and if my choice means "none of the above," resulting in a write-in or a 3rd party, that's how I vote.

[olkaz]

5. Which kills our soldiers.

And you have that right.

[mdmc]

8. I think that the willingness to go to war (instead of 'weak' diplomacy)

leads to the death of our warriors.

When President Obama states that "The surge is working" or that we "cannot accept defeat in Iraq" or that "war with Iran will be cheap and short", I will protest.

Ditto with McCain.

[walldude]

22. Please provide a link tothe Obama quote about Iran

"war with Iran will be cheap and short" I can't seem to find it...

[msallied]

28. The person said "if" Obama says that.

Clearly he hasn't.

[LWolf]

12. I don't vote for warmongers.

As a matter of fact, if more Democrats had joined me in '04, we might have gotten out of Iraq in time to prevent more soldiers' deaths.

Neither of the two on the table now are peacemakers. Obama, in fact, is a hawk that wants to continue the war on terror and leaves unilateral military action in other nations "on the table."

[olkaz]

20. Both Clinton and Obama are more likely to listen to us.

Say what you will and equate our candidates with McCain, but the plain fact is that either Democratic candidate is more likely to get us out of Iraq. They may not, but they are more likely to listen, and more likely to act.

Not voting, or voting third party denies us that opportunity.

[LWolf]

21. We thought Pelosi was more likely to listen to us, as well.

That hasn't worked out so well.

I agree that many Democrats are more likely to listen. I think that HRC and Obama are more likely to listen to centrists and republicans than they are to me. :shrug:

[walldude]

23. While that may be true...

more likely is better than "not a chance in hell" which is what you'll get with McCain..

[LWolf]

31. That's what I got with Pelosi, too.

<snip>

Exclusive to New Jersey Impeach Groups - ImpeachThem.com — We received a phone call today from a source in the Kucinich for President campaign, telling us there’s more to the story of Rep. Kucinich’s withdrawal than is publicly known. The source gave us permission to publish this, but without attribution. We can say the source is high up in the campaign. Most progressives are aware there’s been a large flood of money feeding a campaign by Cleveland City Council democrat Joe Cimperman, who seeks to win the primary for Dennis Kucinich’s seat in Ohio’s 10th congressional district, where Dennis has served the interests of working people for 6 consecutive terms — since 1996. Here’s the rest of the story, untold ‘til now. Before the Nevada primary, Dennis was visited by representatives of Nancy Pelosi and the American Israel Public Affairs Committee — AIPAC. They told Dennis that if he would drop his campaigns to impeach Cheney and Bush, they would guarantee his re-election to the House of Representatives.

Kucinich threw them out of his office.

http://moderate.wordpress.com/2008/02/12/report-pelosi-aipac-blackmail-kucinich-to-drop-impeachment-or-lose-congress-seat/

My point is not that McCain is somehow okay; he's not. It's that I believe I'll get the same "no chance in hell" under Obama or Clinton, and that recent elections of Democrats offer some evidence that not all duly elected Democrats can be trusted to help Democrats.

More than that, though, I don't believe that either Clinton or Obama CAN win the GE, with or without my support. I think they are a losing proposition no matter which way you slice it.

[olkaz]

24. Look, I am really not that far off from you

I was (and still am, really) furious about the House not cutting off funding. I've listened to excuse after excuse, even after calling, and calling, and writing, and writing, and....

Anyway, maybe you're right. Maybe they won't listen to us. But if we let McCain have his way, there's really nothing we can do, at all. He'll take our military and throw away countless lives. He'll put an end to the dollar, and trash our economy for good. Everything we've got to set right after 30 years of conservative rule (yes I count the Clinton years), will have another eight years to fester.

I know what you're saying, and I agree with you. But seriously, at least for the troops, don't throw away your vote. They really are depending on us.

[LWolf]

32. I won't throw away the vote.

I also won't cast it lightly.

That's why I'll fight all the way to the convention to come out with a nominee I think is good for the party, good for the country, and can WIN.

[HereSince1628]

3. Exactly, and it's our party and we'll cry if we want to.

The franchise is a precious thing. They want my precious!! My PreSHUS!
MY PREEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHUUUUUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

Oh, ah, sorry, I just feel strongly about it. I found it on my 18th birthday. Crooked manipulators of society have been after it for years.

Sometimes I just want to disap....ooof!

[ret5hd]

4. You don't have to explain to anybody why you will vote for mccain...

so the only reason i can think of to bring it up is to stir hate and discontent.

good job, little man!

[TechBear_Seattle]

10. Argumentum ex boogeyman

That is the logical fallacy which says, "Do as I tell you or something awful will crawl out from under your bed while you are asleep and EAT YOU!"

[mdmc]

11. I wouldn't vote for him, but I see some good in him

Before the war, he felt that the war would be worth it, even if it took 100 years and hard sacrifice (blood and money) from America.

Now that the war is unpopular, he is saying the same thing.

He also knows the value and sacrifice of sending troops into harms way. He won't do it unless it is a last resort.

When McCain votes to fund the war, he is doing it to secure victory. He doesn't talk withdrawal, then vote to spend another billion on the OOPS.

As far as stirring up hate and discontent - other then H2O man's OP here , everything in GD-P is hate and discontent.

[dmallind]

6. Quick question

From what quarter do you think this is being restricted or challenged? Are you sure you're not mistaking opinions, valid or not, that not voting for these unnamed "DINOs" (which is usually codespeak for "someone not as way far left as me") is stupid, dangerous, runs the risk of giving us a far worse alternative, and makes any accusation of "Dino-ism" rather ironic, for any attempt to disenfranchise you?

There is a big difference between "vote for X if he or she is nominated and if you don't you're a McCain-loving neocon-enabling wacko who is idiotic enough to believe Nader when he says there is no difference" and "vote for X if he or she is nominated or I will somehow remove you from the voter rolls and prevent your voting".

Sticking it to the man kinda only makes sense if you identify the right man to stick it to.

[mdmc]

13. I was listening to an expert on ballot access when I posted the OP

I would like to see more choices - more third parties - be able to get on the ballot.

I don't see Bush (or McCain) as evil. I see America as deserving them. We deserve neo-con rule cause we allow neo-con rule.

[Beacool]

7. I have always voted along party lines.

Even when I thought that the candidate was not all that good, but not this time around. I will either vote for my candidate of choice or not at all (maybe I'll write-in her name). I do not think that the other candidate is fit to be president at this point in time.

[mdmc]

14. even at the local level? You always voted along party lines?

In my neck of the woods "party" really doesn't mean much. The dems switch to GOP and vice versa, and third parties can endorse major parties or run their own folk.

Recently we had an election between a Democrat that was endorsed by Cynthia McKinney, a Democrat that was endorsed by the Conservative Party, and a liberal Republican that won the quiet endorsement of Maurice Hinchey.
While it would seem obvious (at DU) to support the D that Cynthia endorsed, she was not the best candidate for the elected position (imho).

[Beacool]

18. Yep, always acted like a damn lemming and voted along party lines.

Even when I thought that Gore was a dope for not asking Bill to help him out. When I think of all the times that Bill told him directly and indirectly through others that he would help him if asked, I could wring his neck.

With Kerry, I thought that we had a loser (not as a person but as candidate). I still went through the usual motions: donated time, money, organized fund raisers, etc. The result of that election was not a surprise at all.

This time around, I had enough!! I don't think that Obama is prepared nor ready to be president in these very difficult times for the country and I will not vote for him.

[mdmc]

19. But even in local elections?

If a corrupt democrat was running against a capable independent for mayor of your town, would you still vote for the corrupt democrat over the capable independent?

I fully support your decision not to vote for Obama. Question - would you vote for Nader or McCain instead?

America gets what America deserves. I don't think we deserve Nader or Obama. I think America fully deserved HRC or McCain.

[Beacool]

25. When I truly thought that the Dem. candidate was a weasel

I just abstained from voting for him, but wouldn't cross party lines. Frankly, I only felt that way twice before this election (in Obama's case I'm not equating him to a weasel, I just don't think that he's ready to be president).

[msallied]

29. I had to edit this. I'm sorry.

Straight ticket voting shows a major lack of critical thinking on par with most Republicans. I'm glad that you're making other choices. :)

[LSK]

9. so you are going to write in Russ Feingold???

:shrug:

[mdmc]

15. I live in NYS, so my electoral vote will go to the DEMOCRAT

I will be voting for Obama or one of our wacky third parties.

[LSK]

16. did you vote in the Primary?

[mdmc]

17. BO!

yup I did. NYSCD22 went to Barack Obama, although our superdelegate is supporting HRC.

In NYS everyone either loves the Clintons or they fear the Clintons. Lots of folks would love to support Obama, but they live in fear.

[Mezzo]

26. that works both ways...so..

cool.

[msallied]

27. Damn straight!

If a party is trying to earn my vote, they'd damn well better put someone up there WORTH my vote. Why would I continue to reward the party who got it wrong? All it does is reinforce for them the concept that any dickhole can represent my party and I'll just blindly vote for them. A vote for DLC dino like Hillary, imo, is no better than a vote for a Republican.

If the party wants to win, they need to give us WINNERS.

[stillcool]

30. Me too. Actually I just did.

Despite the fact that the United States is an empire and our national government has been co-opted by multi-national corporations, and despite the fact that our society is crumbling as a direct result of that influence, and despite the fact that we no longer are a country of laws, that does not preclude me from voting from choosing from the limited options I have. I play the lottery too.