"Senator Obama said no. He basically turned his back..."

[redqueen]

From Hillary's interview with Greta last night.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,342151,00.html


We wanted to go ahead and let the people actually exercise their franchise, one of the most precious rights we have in our country. Senator Obama said no. He basically turned his back — I mean, here is somebody, you know, who runs a campaign about empowerment and all of that.

Well, hello, what about giving the people in Michigan a chance to have their voices and votes heard? Nobody knows how it would turn out. We know he has got a lot of resources. He could run a very vigorous campaign. But he doesn't want to give the people in Michigan that chance.

Similarly, we have been trying to support what is going on in Florida, because the people there want their voices and votes to be heard. And again, you know, Senator Obama doesn't want to support that.

But Michigan is really the clearest example of getting right up to the brink of doing the right thing and having Senator Obama say, no, I won't do it.


The part in bold was said with that snide, mocking tone she uses so often against Obama. I wish she'd use it more often against McCain.


Is this characterization honest? Is it all Obama's fault that the revotes aren't going to happen. I think not.

[Bread and Circus]

1. Where did you get that crap?

[redqueen]

3. Transcript of her interview with Greta:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,342151,00.html


There are links to the video around, if you'd like to hear her snide, mocking tone for yourself.

I find it so uplifting. :sarcasm:

[here_is_to_hope]

40. I hope you showered afterwards!!! And thanks for taking one for the, ah, team...

Luv ya!:hi: :hi: :hi:

edited because I had the "eeeuuuwwwssss"....

[SoonerPride]

Fox news interview.

with Gretta van whatsherface

[ecstatic]

4. from her shameful interview on FAUX last night

She was on Greta's show. The video is on the board somewhere

[emilyg]

53. Obama did Fox.

[K Gardner]

2. She's a Psycopathic Carney Sheister..( heard it on Schultz.. it fits)

[knight_of_the_star]

44. You are Epic Fail

Here is your present:

[K Gardner]

52. I agree. Hillary has failed epically.

[knight_of_the_star]

54. I'm not talking about Hillary

I'm talking about YOU.

YOU are EPIC FAIL with the kind of divisiveness, rancor, and disunity you spread with your posts. Again, here you go:

[K Gardner]

5. She said it on Fox, to Greta.

[ericgtr]

10. The Op should add that, it's sort of misleading.

[redqueen]

14. How is it misleading?

:shrug:

Added ...

[ericgtr]

22. Thanks

until you read through the whole thing you don't realize that it was a quote from Hillary, it appears that it's coming from Greta.

[redqueen]

25. Oh, I see.

Hah... if only it was. Unfortunately...

*sigh*

[EFerrari]

6. Obama should bless a primary where he wasn't even on the ballot.

Sure!

[helderheid]

7. It's called following the rules. Oh yea...

never mind.

[MNDemNY]

16. As if you care,there was no rule against being on the ballot.

AND Obama and Edwards made a POLITICAL choice to REMOVE their names from the ballot. They did this to avoid the "appearance" of a Clinton victory in MI.

[Flabbergasted]

18. Nothing wrong with that. nt

[helderheid]

20. Yes, they were faithful to their party. Go figure.

[stillcool]

32. bull...

Kucinich Files Affidavit To Remove Name From Michigan's Primary Shortly Before Deadline

October 10, 2007 8:19 a.m. EST
Ayinde O. Chase - AHN Staff
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7008781843
Dover, NH (AHN) - The Kucinich for President campaign Tuesday afternoon officially requested that Kucinich's name be withdrawn from the Michigan Democratic primary ballot. The affidavit came by way of to the Michigan Secretary of State's office.

The Ohio Congressman and Democratic Presidential candidates National Campaign manager Mike Klein said in the statement, "We signed a public pledge recently, promising to stand with New Hampshire, Nevada, South Carolina, and the DNC-approved 'early window', and the action we are taking today protects New Hampshire's first-in-the-nation primary status, and Nevada's early caucus."

The statement continued: "We support the grassroots nature of the New Hampshire, small-state primary, and we support the diversity efforts that Chairman Dean and the DNC instituted last year, when they added Nevada and South Carolina to the window in January 2008. We are obviously committed to New Hampshire's historic role." Klein who actually recently moved to Dover said, "We will continue to adhere to the DNC-approved primary schedule."

Governor Granholm and other Michigan Democratic leaders have openly criticized the decision by several presidential candidates to keep their names off the state primary ballot.

The Michigan lawmakers are taken back by Barack Obama, Joe Biden, John Edwards and Bill Richardson's decision to withdraw their names from the January 15th ballot.

The only ones who remain on Michigan's primary ballot are Hillary Clinton, Mike Gravel and Chris Todd.
-----------------------------
The DNC has threatened to punish states that break tradition and the rules by challenging Iowa and New Hampshire as first to pic. The committee has threatened to unseat the delegates of states that go ahead defy the primary rules set by the party

Editorial: Follow DNC rules on seating delegates
February 25, 2008
By Editorial Board

On September 1, the campaigns of Clinton and Senator Barack Obama (D-Ill.) issued press releases stating that they had signed pledges affirming the DNC’s decision to approve certain representative states and sanction others for moving their nominating contests earlier. But now that the race is close, Clinton — whose top advisor Harold Ickes voted as a member of the DNC to strip Florida and Michigan of their delegates — is pushing for the delegates to be seated.

Her argument is that not doing so disenfranchises the 1.7 million Florida Democrats who voted and that her pledge promised only that she wouldn’t campaign in the states, not that she wouldn’t try to seat the delegates. However, the results of the contests in Florida and Michigan are not necessarily representative of the voters’ preferences in those states. Given that most of the candidates removed their names from the Michigan ballot, and that many voters stayed home from the vote in Florida with the understanding that their contest would not affect the final delegate count, the delegate totals that the candidates accumulated in these states may not accurately reflect the will of the voters. Had there been no restrictions in Michigan and Florida, the turnout, and thus the results, may have been different.

The Four State Pledge all candidates signed on Aug. 28 stated, “Whereas, the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee will strip states of 100% of their delegates and super delegates to the DNC National Convention if they violate the nomination calendar... Therefore, I ____________, Democratic Candidate for President, in honor and in accordance with DNC rules ...pledge I shall not campaign or participate in any election contest occurring in any state not already authorized by the DNC to take place in the DNC approved pre-window.” When the candidates pledged to campaign only in approved states, they were also agreeing to the terms listed above, which explicitly mentioned stripping noncompliant states of their entire delegation.

http://daily.stanford.edu/article/2008/2/25/editorialFollowDncRulesOnSeatingDelegates

[bhikkhu]

45. The rule was to not "campaign or participate"

In order to follow the rules, Obama and others took their names off the ballot. It is hard to believe someone who pledges not to campaign or participate in an election, then leaves their name on the ballot anyway. And claims victory afterwards.

[Ichingcarpenter]

19. PSTD can come back, years after major combat experience

[Abacus]

33. lmao

The chastity belt is a nice touch.

[billybob537]

8. How about we just follow

the agreement She made with the rest of the cantidates.

[bunnies]

9. Who said this?! nt

[SoonerPride]

11. Hillary Clinton

said it

[bunnies]

15. You know...

I didnt want to assume she said it because I try to give her the benefit of the doubt. And I thought this sounded like a low blow, even for her.

Goes to show what I know. :eyes:

[billybob537]

13. Someone who is Desperate?

Got any clues.

[thoughtcrime1984]

12. She's barely better than McCain

Maybe she'll finally go Independent and join Lieberman for a 3rd Party run in 2012. She's quite a "Fox".

[jgraz]

51. She's worse

At least McCain admits he's the enemy. As long as Hillary walks around with 'D' after her name, she seems to think she has a free pass to be as appalling as possible.

[Flabbergasted]

17. If I were Obama I'd do exactly what he's doing. Likewise for Clinton...

though if I were Clinton I might recognize that I'm beating a dead horse.

[redqueen]

23. I object to her characterizing this situation as all Obama's fault.

From what I recall, Obama was fine with MI's first plan - which was to hold a caucus. At that time it was SHE who was standing in the way, and saying, "No, I don't want the people of MI to be heard."

Ugh.

[Flabbergasted]

29. No doubt it's a load of crap, but few people really gives a shit what she

has to say about it. But if I were in a political race like this it would be tempting fodder. I can't say I wouldn't give it a go.

[charlie]

21. Getting all pop-eyed

about the disenfranchised in FLA and MI and in the very next breath... reminding us that pledged delegates aren't bound to their pledged votes.

I would think she'd at try to insert some distance between the two statements, so the jarring dissonance wouldn't be so crashingly obvious. Like, in a different interview. In another state. On a different date. In another election.

[redqueen]

24. Yes, that's another thing... the sheer LUNACY of her 'argument'.

Yes, forcing MI and FL to abide by the rules they agreed to - that's disenfranchising.

But pressuring delegates to forget what the voters said and vote for her instead - that's... not?

:crazy:

[DemoTam]

42. I would like to see some proof

I would like to see where you get your info on her reminding us that pledged delegates arn't bound to their pledged votes?

[redqueen]

43. Are you freaking kidding?

She's been saying it for weeks now!

That's what her fatcat donors threatened Pelosi for... for not backing up her divisive talk of disenfranchising voters via flipping delegates!

[charlie]

46. Don't know why I'm bothering

but it's only the source of this thread's topic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JofnY6xue8s

And as redqueen says, this isn't the first time, it's been one of the latest themes in her Calvinball campaign.

[Arkansas Granny]

26. So, what did Obama really say?

[redqueen]

30. Clinton really said she "wouldn't accept" a caucus in MI. That was their first plan.

I guess when she has problems with a proposal to revote, that's different.

[Arkansas Granny]

35. Why does she say Obama said no? What did Obama really say about it?

[redqueen]

37. IIRC, he said he had concerns about a privately-financed revote.

And that the DOJ would have to have a look at the plan.

[cooolandrew]

27. The states are broke HRC is talking as if Obama runs both states it is the most outrageous BS so far

[totodeinhere]

28. Clinton doesn't give a crap about the people of Michigan.

She is just grasping at any straw in an attempt to get the nomination.

[Diane R]

31. That video was posted. A real look at the nasty Hillary behind the public facade.

[AzDar]

34. She's despicable.

[Life Long Dem]

36. Was it Obama's interview?

[redqueen]

38. No.

[Life Long Dem]

39. Did Hillary compromise over the states?

On the voting?

[redqueen]

41. I'll give ya three guesses, and the first two don't count.

Hint: She said she wouldn't accept a caucus, after MI submitted it's first proposal to do just that...

[rateyes]

47. The problem in MI and FL is the fault of

the state parties. Period. If they want their delegates seated, come up with a way to do it that conforms to the rules of the national party. That's not Obama's job, and it's not Howard Dean's job. It's the job of the state parties. Period.

[wileedog]

48. Hillary Clinton: Desperately pushing for votes that...

... will be overwritten by Superdelegates.

Way to empower the people, Hil

[karynnj]

49. Of course it is not true

Obama is not responsible for that mess - take your choice and blame Fl and MI or Dean.

[SKKY]

50. HRC has no problem with Obama basing his campiagn on empowerment...

...as long as she's the one being empowered. This quote by Orwell particularly apropos.

"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act"