Rev. Wright Slurs Italians In 2007 Eulogy

[BigBearJohn]

Source: NBC NEWS

CHICAGO -- He's made controversial comments about the U.S. government as well as Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. The Rev. Jeremiah Wright -- Barack Obama's former pastor -- has come under fire once again, NBC5's Rob Stafford reported.

Wright's latest controversy comes from a eulogy he wrote for Asa Hilliard. The article appeared in a November/December 2007 edition of Trumpet, a magazine run by Wright's daughters. He was quoted as calling Italians "garlic noses" and saying Jesus' crucifixion was "a public lynching Italian-style."

The comments were written before Obama publicly denounced other controversial statements by Wright.

On behalf of the Joint Civic Committee of Italian Americans, Domnic DiFrisco spoke about Wright's statements. He said he was "saddened by the words of a purported Christian minister."

Chicago's Italian American Human Relations Foundation called the comments an example of hatred, but member Louis Raygo said he does not hold Obama responsible.

Read more: http://www.nbc5.com/news/15726560/detail.html

[LakeSamish706]

1. You got anything else other than continuing to slam Rev. Wright? Get a F*** ing grip. n/t

[mikekohr]

83. I'm 50% Italian and 100% For Obama

My 77 year old mom is 100% Italian and 100% for Obama. Everyone else in my family is for Obama as well, except for my asshole brother-law who is a Republican douche bag for McCain.

mike kohr

Obama -believe-

[baldguy]

2. "Late Breaking News" from 2007?

This just in! European invaders land at Plymouth Rock!

[BigBearJohn]

3. It was reported on the news 10 mins ago

[baldguy]

14. So what?

Here's some REAL news: WE GET IT ALREADY. Rev Wright makes some outgageous comments sometimes.

Here's another news flash: REV WRIGHT ISN'T RUNNING FOR ANYTHING!

Next up: The sky is blue and Water is wet!

[BigBearJohn]

17. If it weren't news, it would not be on MSNBC right now.

[baldguy]

41. And your thread is no longer in the "Late Breaking News" forum.

Every thinking adult knows that the MSM can print any shit they want in the paper - doesn't make it news.

[Tellurian]

43. Exactly, taking Rev Wright as your mentor is like joining a Hate group and asking for their advise..

[baldguy]

50. Bill clinton asked advise from the Rev Wright.

Is he part of a hate group now, too?

[Tellurian]

82. Was Bill Clinton a communicant of Trinity Church?

Was Rev Wright his mentor?

Does Bill Clinton condone Wright's messages of Hate?

Is Rev Wright included in Bill Clinton's book, "My Life"?

[ima_sinnic]

58. speaking of hate groups ...

that Pepto-Bismol-colored monstrosity of a website isn't exactly a love-fest with beads and sandals :eyes:

[kwassa]

78. The word is "advice"

but "advise" is consistent with a certain educational level.

[Hepburn]

53. Oh, please....

...there is crap on the news all the time.

:eyes:

[jeff30997]

42. "The sky is blue and Water is wet"

Not true!

When it's raining the sky is gray and at night

the sky is black with little white dots.

Water is wet ?

You never bought powdered water? :P

[MADem]

19. All over the morning news shows. Covered in heavy rotation today, too. NT

[Hepburn]

54. Geeeeeeeee.....

...my TV must have selective transmission....cuz this lame shit has not been on any TVs at my house today.

What? You watching Faux Snooze or something? :eyes:

[tularetom]

4. OK you convinced me - I won't vote for Rev. Wright

But as far as I know he ain't running for anything. So WTF are you posting this for?

[Mz Pip]

8. Me either

Rev Wright should not be president.

Honestly this is getting old. If the Democrats focus on every bit of hyperbole that Ann Coulter, the spokesmodel for the GOP, spewed out of her mouth we'd be doing a whole lot better.

Let's make this simple: Barack Obama is NOT Rev. Wright.

[TexasLady]

63. When Hannity and Bush are making their talking points in DU

a sad day is dawning... a sad sad day..
I keep seeing those words like 'gooks and/or ghandi' too....

relatives, pastors, nor uncles said these....no, candidates did.

let's not go there.

[Mags]

13. get real, BO is tied to Rev. Wright. You can stick your heads

in the sand and ignore this stuff or you can face the facts and try to do something about it.

[tularetom]

20. I don't want to stick my head in the sand

So what should I try to do about it?

What if I don't give a shit what Rev. Wright says?

Hillary hasn't been elected yet it's still a free country and he can say whatever he wants.

[Mags]

24. do what ever you want, but don't be surprised of the outcome.

he is tainted by the Rev. Just you watch and see. Polls mean nothing right now, get out in the real world, and that is all you hear, Rev.Wright's hate America . I think you all are in denial.

[NDambi]

31. What do you want BO supporters to DO about it? Really. Not vote for him because of Wright?

[Traction311]

70. Umm, yeah! N/T

[NDambi]

74. lol NOT GONNA HAPPEN....

[Deep13]

5. Whoah, whoah, whoah! You mean it wasn't the Jews?

What I find funny is all the Obamists who will condemn you for posting "irrelevant" material concerning the views of another guy despite the fact that if it were truly irrelevant there would be no reason to point out its irrelevancy. Put another way, you show a general garment and they assume it is cut for Obama.

[LaurenG]

6. He should mind his slang

and we ALL need to try and see what he was really trying to say.


Bottom line, what if Obama wins the nom?

[jody]

7. It's beginning to look like Wright hates anyone who is not black. n/t

[LaurenG]

16. I think he is talking about something else entirely

I am not offended or afraid of what he says. I agree with him in much of what he says and disagree with other things.

The dispute with Rev Wright is a cultural disconnect with most people. I understand the frustration and pain and that's how I interpret it; it has been a long hard struggle and he is speaking from his own experience and perception. Just like Geraldine Ferraro was.

[Willo]

47. It doesn't even begin to look like that. In the full eulogy he says these things:

Asa's white enemies tried to limit Asa's expertise to what they thought he was capable of and like Jesus, all of Asa's enemies were not whites. Some of his enemies looked just like he looked.

"I have told our congregation for thirty-five years, "Everybody your color ain't your kind and everybody not your color is not necessarily your enemy." Some of Asa's enemies are Africans."


It is really a good eulogy/sermon. The gist is..STANDING FIRM AND DOING WHAT'S RIGHT, in spite of of how your friends AND enemies feel you should be. We all know that's hard to do.


More from the sermon:

"Those of us in the Christian church, when we read the sacred texts, we really get ticked, because we find out that one of the hardest pills to swallow is the fact that most of Jesus' staunchest enemies were "church folk." Not the "Bros" who hung out in the brothels and the bars, and the Jerusalem taverns, but the saints who hung out in the Synagogue and the sacred precincts of the Jerusalem temple!"


"Asa Hilliard was a child of God. A child of God, when it comes to identity, refuses to be defined by others.

Then a child of God refuses to be limited by what the world says about him or her, or thinks about him or her. Jesus refused to be limited by other folk's low expectations of him. Some of his own folk (Jesus' folks) thought he was a little "touched in the head."

Some of his own people tried to limit him to what they thought he ought to be doing in Nazareth. They asked, "Ain't this the carpenter's kid?" Some of his own colleagues tried to track him for failure."

[bemildred]

9. Anything to smear Obama, right? nt

[Deep13]

27. Anything? He's making it pretty easy for his critics.

Anyway, the article is about Wright, not Obama. The only way it is a smear on O is if it really does matter who his friends are.

[amandabeech]

59. Better to get it out in the open now and formulate a response.

The 527s will be merciless in the fall, and Rev. Wright is TV dynamite.

I'm not thrilled with either Clinton or Obama (long-time Edwards supporter), but I have to wonder why Obama, as a politician, stayed in this church after he began to think about state-wide or nation-wide races. Oprah left discreetly years ago. Tip O'Neill might have counseled him to make a silent, but visible exit during one of Rev. Wright's more controversial comments. For Obama, is it principle, a tin ear, or what that kept him in that congregation so long?

[panader0]

10. Be honest John

Have you ever called an Italian a "garlic nose"? A "wop" Have you ever called an Hispanic a "beaner"? Or an Irishman a "mick"? I think you protest too much.
I'm part Irish and being called a "mick" does not offend me. And, I LOVE garlic. You are trying to stir up SHIT>

[BigBearJohn]

15. NO! I have never used those words. I don't have to stir up shit. The GOP will do it.

When Barack wins the nomination,
the GOP will tear apart his flesh worse
than s school of piranhas.

[babylonsister]

11. Read the whole eulogy here; maybe you'll stop the smears:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5282479

[madrchsod]

23. dam it sister ...ya take away all their fun with the truth

stop the smears?........ good luck! :thumbsup:

[amandabeech]

60. The truth never stopped the pukes. n/t

[Cheap_Trick]

12. have yet to hear any hillbots respond about hilarity's church

from The Nation
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080331/ehrenreich

and Mother Jones
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillary...

>snip<
Through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as the Fellowship. Her collaborations with right-wingers such as Senator Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) and former Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) grow in part from that connection. "A lot of evangelicals would see that as just cynical exploitation," says the Reverend Rob Schenck, a former leader of the militant anti-abortion group Operation Rescue who now ministers to decision makers in Washington. "I don't....there is a real good that is infected in people when they are around Jesus talk, and open Bibles, and prayer."

>snip<

Clinton's prayer group was part of the Fellowship (or "the Family"), a network of sex-segregated cells of political, business, and military leaders dedicated to "spiritual war" on behalf of Christ, many of them recruited at the Fellowship's only public event, the annual National Prayer Breakfast. (Aside from the breakfast, the group has "made a fetish of being invisible," former Republican Senator William Armstrong has said.) The Fellowship believes that the elite win power by the will of God, who uses them for his purposes. Its mission is to help the powerful understand their role in God's plan.

>snip<

The Fellowship's long-term goal is "a leadership led by God—leaders of all levels of society who direct projects as they are led by the spirit." According to the Fellowship's archives, the spirit has in the past led its members in Congress to increase U.S. support for the Duvalier regime in Haiti and the Park dictatorship in South Korea. The Fellowship's God-led men have also included General Suharto of Indonesia; Honduran general and death squad organizer Gustavo Alvarez Martinez; a Deutsche Bank official disgraced by financial ties to Hitler; and dictator Siad Barre of Somalia, plus a list of other generals and dictators. Clinton, says Schenck, has become a regular visitor to Coe's Arlington, Virginia, headquarters, a former convent where Coe provides members of Congress with sex-segregated housing and spiritual guidance.

>snip<

Throughout her time at the White House, Clinton writes in Living History, she took solace from "daily scriptures" sent to her by her Fellowship prayer cell, along with Coe's assurances that she was right where God wanted her. (Clinton's sense of divine guidance has been noted by others: Bishop Richard Wilke, who presided over the United Methodist Church of Arkansas during her years in Little Rock, told us, "If I asked Hillary, 'What does the Lord want you to do?' she would say, 'I think I'm called by the Lord to be in public service at whatever level he wants me.'")

>snip<

These days, Clinton has graduated from the political wives' group into what may be Coe's most elite cell, the weekly Senate Prayer Breakfast. Though weighted Republican, the breakfast—regularly attended by about 40 members—is a bipartisan opportunity for politicians to burnish their reputations, giving Clinton the chance to profess her faith with men such as Brownback as well as the twin terrors of Oklahoma, James Inhofe and Tom Coburn, and, until recently, former Senator George Allen (R-Va.). Democrats in the group include Arkansas Senator Mark Pryor, who told us that the separation of church and state has gone too far; Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) is also a regular.

>snip<

Clinton has championed federal funding of faith-based social services, which she embraced years before George W. Bush did; Marci Hamilton, author of God vs. the Gavel, says that the Clintons' approach to faith-based initiatives "set the stage for Bush." Clinton has also long supported the Defense of Marriage Act, a measure that has become a purity test for any candidate wishing to avoid war with the Christian right.

>snip<

Sean Hannity has called Obama's church a "cult," but that term applies far more aptly to Clinton's "Family," which is organized into "cells"--their term--and operates sex-segregated group homes for young people in northern Virginia. In 2002, Sharlet joined The Family's home for young men, forswearing sex, drugs and alcohol, and participating in endless discussions of Jesus and power. He wasn't undercover; he used his own name and admitted to being a writer. But he wasn't completely out of danger either. When he went outdoors one night to make a cell phone call, he was followed. He still gets calls from Family associates asking him to meet them in diners--alone.

>snip<

At the heart of The Family's American branch is a collection of powerful right-wing politicos, who include, or have included, Sam Brownback, Ed Meese, John Ashcroft, James Inhofe and Rick Santorum. They get to use The Family's spacious estate on the Potomac, The Cedars, which is maintained by young men in Family group homes and where meals are served by The Family's young women's group. And, at The Family's frequent prayer gatherings, they get powerful jolts of spiritual refreshment, tailored to the already powerful.

>snip<

Furthermore, The Family takes credit for some of Clinton's rightward legislative tendencies, including her support for a law guaranteeing "religious freedom" in the workplace, such as for pharmacists who refuse to fill birth control prescriptions and police officers who refuse to guard abortion clinics.

>snip<

Sharlet generously attributes Clinton's involvement to the under-appreciated depth of her religiosity, but he himself struggles to define The Family's theological underpinnings. The Family avoids the word Christian but worships Jesus, though not the Jesus who promised the earth to the "meek." They believe that, in mass societies, it's only the elites who matter, the political leaders who can build God's "dominion" on earth. Insofar as The Family has a consistent philosophy, it's all about power--cultivating it, building it and networking it together into ever-stronger units, or "cells." "We work with power where we can," Doug Coe has said, and "build new power where we can't."

Obama has given a beautiful speech on race and his affiliation with the Trinity United Church of Christ. Now it's up to Clinton to explain--or, better yet, renounce--her long-standing connection with the fascist-leaning Family.




Not that it suprises me, they ignore the inconvenient questions and pretend they didn't hear them.

[madrchsod]

18. well.....

"Chicago's Italian American Human Relations Foundation called the comments an example of hatred, but member Louis Raygo said he does not hold Obama responsible".

maybe ya need to take it up with them.... :rofl:

[islandmkl]

21. send his ass to Bosnia....that'll teach him....

a little sniper fire at the airport will re-prioritize the s.o.b.....

look what it has done for Hillary...

[reallyreallyreally]

22. There's more where that came from...

People!!! It's already over for Obama.
Yes, I'm for Hillary, but when I saw that this was who he chose as his "personal spiritual adviser" for 20 years I just cringed.

I really don't see how he can come out of this and win a national election.
He may pull off the primary but if he can't win the national, that gets us nowhere again!!!
Besides Bill for 8 years, dem's haven't nominated a winning candidate since Jimmy Carter.

Obama may not be radical but he does have radical friends and this will not work with swing voters in the general.
I'm saddened as I feel badly for him but feel like it was he who used "poor judgment" in frequenting this church as someone who wanted to have a career in politics.

I'm sure there is more conspiracy theory, un American, reverse racist, Clinton name calling in his book of sermons to be found.
I as a life long democrat find this stuff insulting and just as scary as a right wing wacko church.
Being endorsed by a church and patronizing one are two entirely different things by the way.

The truth hurts but you have to be calculating to be a politician and this was not smart by Obama (perhaps just short sighted).
Completely runs afoul of his vision of unity.

So, Obamicans. You know it too in your disappointed hearts.
You can wish it away and ignore it but it is over for Obama this time.
It may be a long drawn out end with other distractions, but it's ALREADY over.
Buh Bye!

[madrchsod]

25. one post and you insult the obama supporters

yup bye-bye

[islandmkl]

26. GTFO........

"People!!! It's already over for Obama.
Yes, I'm for Hillary, but when I saw that this was who he chose as his "personal spiritual adviser" for 20 years I just cringed."

Let me ask you...just when did you 'see' who Obama had as his spiritual advisor? How long before 2 weeks ago did you know anything about Wright?

you are amusing...kind of...

[Catherina]

34. The good news is they don't let sock puppets near the voting booth n/t

[Willo]

49. What exactly is "reverse racism"?

[Danger Mouse]

61. hey piehole. welcome back. how much you wanna bet you don't make it to 100 before...

being shown the door for the 1000th time?

[boppers]

64. "un American", "reverse racist"... those kinds of accusations don't go too far here.

Basically, both concepts are pretty much right-wing drivel. Progressives and Democrats are a little more intelligent than that.

[BigBearJohn]

75. Welcometo DU!

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

28. This is so last week...

Thanks for playing "Race Bating Hillary Supporters"

You've won a year's supply of kerosene.

[redqueen]

29. "Not this time."

This is why they're afraid of Obama.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

30. Breaking: racist black preacher doesn't blame jews for killing Jesus.

Shame on you, Barack Obama!

:rofl:

[dbonds]

32. So are you defending Romans killing Jesus?

[WinkyDink]

66. It's been over 2,000 years.

[Traction311]

69. Since Jesus died at age 33, it HASN'T been "over 2000 years"

Just saying. :)

[Zynx]

91. Italians are not Romans. Their ancestry is much much more complicated than that.

[dbonds]

92. Learn context.

[Cali_Democrat]

33. I wonder if Wright will drop out of the race because of this. nt

[george_maniakes]

39. If your too stupid to know the difference between an italian today...

and an italian from 2000 years ago who was going around crucifying people, stop typing. your going to poke your eye out.

[george_maniakes]

40. oops meant to reply to the OP, sorry. n/t

[azmouse]

35. ...

[Bad Thoughts]

36. Breaking! Roman Tribune files diplomatic protest!

People in occupied Judea say STFU!

[Connie_Corleone]

37. Wait until the first century Romans hear about this!!

They'll crucify him!

[msallied]

38. Hmm. Last time I checked, Wright wasn't running for PResident.

[SoonerPride]

44. plonk, any more Wright posts and you are dead to me

Welcome to Ignore

[DerekJ]

45. Guys IT IS OVER FOR OBAMA .,.

Just look at this:



It is sooo over for him :rofl:

[stillcool]

46. OMG!

look at that!

[Warren Stupidity]

48. Actually he was making a point about the way we treat each other

but you would have had to read the entire eulogy, and also have some ability to understand what you had just read, in order to get Jeremiah Wright's rather interesting point. He uses language deliberately to provoke thought. The more I learn about him, the more I respect what he has to say. To that extent I would like to thank you for getting me to read Rev Wright's eulogy for Asa Hilliard, Here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5282479&mesg_id=5282479

See if you can figure out what he was getting at. You might learn something. I'm an atheist, but I can understand the meaning and truth within the words 'we are all children of god', and the way we have all been turned against each other. Can you?

[Danger Mouse]

62. They don't know/don't want to. It's far easier to hate blindly.

[goodgd_yall]

51. Any bets on the next group we'll find out he's slurred?

My choice is southerners. Maybe there's a "crackers" comment in one of his many sermons.

[RBInMaine]

52. Give up this BS already. It's putting people to sleep.

[Danger Mouse]

55. Not content to let it die, the media drags it out of its grave to flog the dead horse some more.

Not that the hillary surrogates will complain. They will continue to desparately hope that the media's circle jerk over Wright will stop Obama.
It will not.
Too bad, so sad.

[Renew Deal]

56. The evangelicals agree with the second half of that.

I've lived in NY all my life, and around lots of Italians. I've never heard the term "garlic noses."

Other than that, many evangelicals don't think the Catholics are christians, so they'd likely agree. Just ask Hagee.

[EffieBlack]

57. So, does that mean you're not going to vote for Obama?

OK, got it.

Now run along.

[WinkyDink]

65. Sorry, Rev. Wright, the cradle of civilation was not Nubia or Cush;

it was Sumer.

[AmericanUnity]

67. YOU IDIOTS KILL ME! WANNA TALK ABOUT HILLARY'S MULTIPLE LIES ABOUT HER 'CRED'? I'M ON FOR IT

[Traction311]

68. What a bigoted POS

And for his information, the Italians weren't responsible for Jesus' crucifixion either.

[Danger Mouse]

73. apparently you are lacking in reading comprehension skills.

[Traction311]

85. He was quoted as calling Italians "garlic noses"

That's bigoted, no two ways about it. Come on, how can you defend that?

[Danger Mouse]

87. He was referring to Ancient Romans.

If you manage to find any, ask them if they were offended, then let me know what they have to say.

[Traction311]

88. Doesn't matter

We humans haven't changed all that much in 2000 years, and Italians today are the same as those he was talking about. All racial discrimination is bad. If he had called Chinese 2000 years ago rice eyes, I'd be equally offended.

[Beacool]

71. Oh, the gift that keeps on giving...........

to the Republicans.

P.S. What the hell does "garlic nose" suppose to mean? What's wrong with garlic? I love garlic.

[Jersey Devil]

72. bah fongool

Who gives a fuck? BTW, I am an Italian American Obama supporter.

[Debi]

80. Hey, goombah

:hi:

[boppers]

81. Yah Goombahma! eom

[loveangelc]

76. lol garlic noses

[Snarkturian Clone]

77. aw shit!

I think I just had a "then they came for me" moment.

[cooolandrew]

79. Erm what did America do with France again regarding fries???

[sueragingroz]

84. Wright seems to be the gift that keeps on giving...

[DrFunkenstein]

86. Clearly An "Example of Hatred"

Rev. Wright hates Italians! Please keep posting this article to show how ridiculous the claims against Wright are.

[cooolandrew]

89. Thank god he is not running then. Barack is though and likely to win.

[Zynx]

90. My biggest complaint here is a historical one.

Romans were not Italians. Italians are a mix of what remained of the Romans, then a steady infusion of other groups including Ostrogoths, Lombards, Normans, Greeks, and many more. Italians as we know them today have little in common in terms of heritage with those who lived there at the time of Christ.

[anonymous171]

93. Close the door before you start pastorbating!