If Obama is such a great "Uniter" why is the party divided?

[GoldieAZ49]

Don't blame Hillary unless you believe Obama can only unite when there is no challenge. That does not make one a uniter.

The POTUS faces challenges all the time, both people and situations,

If he cannot unite his own party behind him, how can he unite the country let alone the free world?

[MADem]

1. It's a valid question. NT

[bowens43]

38. No, it isn't a valid question. It's as stupid question.

[MADem]

112. Your input, such as it is, is noted. NT

[SwampG8r]

158. let it sink

apparently the boycott is over and the unreality crowd has returned
let this thread sink

[niceypoo]

148. Obama is running a smear campaign...

...his whole campaign is based on attacking the Clintons or Bill Clintons legacy. He does this to avoid talking about issues.

He is driving half the Democratic party away from himself. Look at the threads posted by his supporters....80% of them are attack threads against Obamas rivals.

Obama's 'supporters' never post anything that actually supports him, just character assasinations.

Apparently 'unity' only applies to republicans, Obama's scorched earth campaign is destroying Unity within the democratic party by alienating Hillary supporters.

[roguevalley]

150. he's running one? Ha.

[polpilot]

154. Obama, like the Demo leaders, can't control the Clintons. Pro-War, Pro-NAFTA

candidates like Hillary are powerful in this environment. It wouldn't surprise me if Poppy Bush and Carlyle were supporting the Clinton ticket.

[JoFerret]

157. There is a great deal of truth to that.

And it is an effective tactic. Witness the turmoil in this little corner of the world.

[NDambi]

2. The Party is divided because of GOLLUM...lol

[JimGinPA]

43. ???????

[Kahuna]

3. Because Hillary is a sore loooser.

[NDambi]

9. Ha Ha LOVEEEEEEEE THE CARTOON

[cascadiance]

35. That trophy just needs to say "Joementum" instead to show the "big picture" of what's going on..

And how they the Korporatists are trying to get the two left in the race to be their servants.

[SoCalDem]

Ta da!!

[LWolf]

16. Loser.

Looser, or tighter, refers to a waistband, not a contest.

[Kurovski]

70. It was spelled "loooser", perhaps as a sarcastic reference

to the way brand-new DUers/Clinton "supporters" have often spelled the word.

[LWolf]

84. I haven't paid that much attention,

although things like that are special irritants for me. I think I noticed it because I saw a sig line today pointing out the difference, and the language arts teacher within appreciated it. ;)

[Kurovski]

93. Here's to language arts teachers!

:toast: :-)

[LWolf]

99. I'll join you for that.

:toast:

I'll have to keep an eye out for the poster with that interesting sig line and send a :toast: that way, too, lol.

[Tellurian]

31. You haven't witnessed a sore loser yet..

Wait until Obama loses the nomination to Hillary..

[dchill]

59. And how, exactly, will that happen...

in any way that will not destroy the party?

[Tellurian]

63. The Party will be fine..I'm not worried about the Party..

I am concerned who gets the nomination..and it will be Hillary!

[ima_sinnic]

67. apparently you're not very good with math ...

[dchill]

73. "The Party will be fine..."

Not if the Clintons get their way.

[QC]

123. Oh good! A cartoon thread! May I post one?

[krawhitham]

126. BINGO

[islandmkl]

4. yeah....obama should be following hillary's example....

and bringing everybody all together....

well, she's got the repukes getting behind her, anyway...

[NDambi]

21. And you know it...so make my funk da Pfunk!

[polichick]

5. He is uniting people - that's why we just registered thousands of Obamacans in PA.

[GoldieAZ49]

32. So Obama cannot unite dems so draws repubs into the party to vote in a closed primary

and how do you know who they will vote for, these Rush crossovers?

[polichick]

41. Obamacans are not "Rush crossovers" - you sound as desperate as Hillary.

[GoldieAZ49]

66. and you know this how? Did they have to take a pledge?

you are registering repubs for a closed dem primary and because you are head over heels for Obama you assume they are too.

Will make the PA primary interesting to watch.

[polichick]

78. Republicans work with us Dem volunteers every day for hours on end...

Sorry you're too cynical to understand what this election is about.

[PVnRT]

146. How do you "know" they're republicans?

Hmmmm?

[Mags]

81. you registered Republican as Dems.. for a day. Wake up

[polichick]

83. Actually, they come in day and night to volunteer - just like Dems...

It's you who needs to wake up.

(btw, it's the Republicans for Hillary who are one-day Dems.)

[Mags]

111. dream on, don't you live in the real world, like read the papers or news.

Barry has been advertising to voters to be Repubgs. for a day then they can change back. You know that, you are just acting dumb. Really.

[polichick]

141. Oh great, yet another new Clintonite who's as nasty as the candidate.

[Renew Deal]

6. Obama is winning against a world class divider

So I think he's doing quite well at uniting the right people.

[GoldieAZ49]

17. WOW

22% of dems want Obama to drop out

22% of dems want Hillary to drop out

62% of dems want the race to continue

and you think he is "quite well at uniting the right people"


You set the bar very low, hopefully Obama has a higher goal.

[Renew Deal]

69. Who's winning?

Just tell me one more time... I want to hear it again. Who is winning? Just say it.

[GoldieAZ49]

88. the Repubs so far

[PseudoIntellect]

91. Dems were winning until everything went negative.

Remember when BHO AND HRC were beating McCain? Those times are long gone.

[GoldieAZ49]

106. I do remember it, It was sweet

and we had a given win in Nov at that time, sees like ages ago

[Renew Deal]

100. lol

At least you take responsibility.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

155. More Clinton math. Psst: 106%

[amandabeech]

18. We'll need every vote in the GE.

The "right people" won't be enough.

[LakeSamish706]

7. There are only so many things that Obama can control and I'm sure you know that...

When one is dealing with the likes of Bill and Hillary Clinton, who will fight till the finish (as they have publicly stated) how the hell does anyone deal with that?

[Mags]

14. he can't even unite the Dems, much less the rest of the County

Just a farce, and some people are falling for this stuff. Hard to understand. People are so easily swayed by pretty talk.

[LakeSamish706]

23. No, actually many of us have seen far to much of the Clintons and were sick and ...

tired of there BS.

[GoldieAZ49]

25. Ah, so you think as POTUS his biggest challenge will be having 'dealt with the Clintons'

interesting considering all that is going on in the world.

[RaleighNCDUer]

75. Well, he IS beating Team Clinton

which is something the republicans never managed to do.

[Cant trust em]

8. The most partisan will never be united

You're never going to win everyone, especially those who are willing to throw the kitchen sink at people who are supposedly on our side.

[Cant trust em]

10. It's tough to choose between two good candidates

Each of them have their strengths.

[TheDeathadder]

11. Say all you want

the idea of Obama as a unifier is pure bullshit and you can say "Clinton this" or "Clinton that" Obama as a uniter is bullshit and proven wrong.

[pbca]

12. Because he's not a white woman

As much as he tries, he cannot win over people who are voting based on gender or people who dislike him based on his race.

[Mags]

47. Ohhhhhhhhh, he is not a white woman, what a sad thing,

he is just a black man and everybody is against him because he is not white. What a farce. I thought this was not about race. At least that is what the BHO people say.

[jody]

13. BO is doing the best he can. Just continue chanting "Hope, Change, Blame" and look into BO's eyes.

[LakeSamish706]

15. Let it sink. n/t

[butterfly77]

19. Because a lot of the hypocrites,...

are trying to pretend that he is not winning and they don't want a black person as their president, what will they do when a Asian,Arab, or Hispanic run...

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[butterfly77]

58. Yes, CON...

Colin Powell MR.WMD..Would COlin be the RIGHT candidate because you are a rightwinger...Yes, you rightwingers want the first black because they will follow you to hell none of you people follow your own minds...

[Mags]

76. far from being a right winger, just cause we don't bow to the

anointed one, doesn't mean we are right wingers, you have shoved BHO down our throats until not one that no one wants any part of him, you think that just because you can put Hillary down , demean her , and then you can turn around and make kinda nice, that the Hillery people will vote for him . Wow, how dumb can you be. He will be on his own come GE time if he by chance gets the nomination. Hillary people are not going to come around just because you wish it. Believe it, no we will not follow BHO to hell. what a stupid statement.

[ima_sinnic]

82. oh right, just to "get even," you'll vote for McCain

-- as if you wouldn't anyway

what an even stupider statement, CON.

[RaleighNCDUer]

108. Sorry, thinking that Colin Powell would be a good pres

DEFINES you as a right winger. So you are either lying to this board, or lying to yourself.

[ima_sinnic]

65. OMG!!! Colon Bowel, the LIAR and TRAITOR, the MAN WITH NO SOUL

bushy's little lap dog who knowingly lied to make the case for war in front of the entire world.

what planet are you from, anyway? what a totally BIZARRE thing to say!

or did you forget the sarcasm smiley?

sheesh, UNBELIEVABLE.

on edit: must agree with poster directly above me--in fact, I think it's time for this:

[madrchsod]

71. .........better black candidates out there, like, Colin Powell.?

i think there is another forum you`d be more comfortable in...

[Mags]

80. bully, bully for you , that's all the BHO people do and think

they are superior, what a laugh. Get real and see that your guy is going down. Let it sink

[cyndensco]

122. i'm surprised she didn't suggest clarence thomas...

[madrchsod]

134. he`s got a white wife...perfect candidate!

[Forkboy]

79. LMFAO! Powell is better? Oh my....

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[sellitman]

90. Go read some current history

if you think Colin Powell is a better candidate than Barack. While you are at it you might as well decide what party you are in too because last I checked Powell is a Repiggy. What a stupid post!

[ima_sinnic]

96. really ... someone who "lost his way" ...

[LWolf]

20. Great question.

The answer? He can't unite the party, and he can't unite the country.

Neither can Hillary.

[Mags]

39. Ohhhhhhhhh, but that is his theme song, Unite, change, hope

wow.

[LWolf]

87. There are songs, there are feel-good parties,

and then there's the reality of getting the job done.

I'd rather type about lofty ideals than go do the rest of the housework, but that's not accomplishing much of anything.

Off to sweep and scrub I go. :(

[stellanoir]

22. Are you kidding ???

First of all he's multicultural. Secondly, he's not tarnished with several decades of partisanship and mean spiritedness. Thirdly, he's conducted a high road campaign that has inspired droves of people, especially young ones.

[Mags]

89. he is tarnished by the preacher, you know God Damn America

get real people the people in middle America will never vote for this guy. I don't know what you are drinking or smoking, but you aren't in the real world. He has made the Middle Class Americans scared to death of his beliefs. Oh, I know he wasn't there for the crap, nobody believes that. He is just a first class liar.

[DUyellow]

24. he'll unite the Dem party.

[Alexander]

26. Hillary has a 37% approval rating. The party isn't really that divided.

[Hawkeye-X]

27. Go back to your pathetic Hillbot site..

Yeah, you Golddigger, ya.

[mmonk]

28. He needs to stop being under attack.

How dare he be attacked like that from the Clinton camp?

[Lilith Velkor]

144. And Republicans would never attack him for fear of being perceived as racist

Oh wait...

[DrFunkenstein]

29. Even After Wright Flap, 60% of Americans

Think he can unite the nation. One of the major reasons is that he has an intuitive sense of how to frame an issue to rally people behind it. It is not just fancy words, it the crucial political tool of framing that make Obama's speeches impressive.

After years of Democrats having no idea how to express our most heartfelt convictions, that's a definite plus.

[Tellurian]

33. Republicans will say he's a Muslim 24/7 even if he isn't..

You saw how incensed he became when the Muslim meme came out.

Obama is too thin skinned.

[LakeSamish706]

46. And what do you think that might do to the lier Hillary? duh n/t

[Tellurian]

60. If Obama is the nominee..

sorry I didn't make myself clear..

[dchill]

61. "too thin skinned"...

Obviously, you've never even SEEN Hillary Clinton.

[GoldieAZ49]

45. Where do you get 60% his unfavorable is at 52% nationally

Rasmussen today:

Obama’s reviews are 46% favorable and 52% unfavorable

[DrFunkenstein]

142. NBC Poll Has Him at 60% And Clinton at 37%

You can check www.realclearpolitics.com for all of the latest polls. (boy, that sounds like an ad!)

[samdogmom]

30. Give. Me. A. Break!

How can you unite those who are being encouraged by Hillary to celebrate divisiveness?

[GoldieAZ49]

50. Ok, so Obama can only unite if the people don't have any other choice.

Actually that is a rather frightening concept.

Considering some do just that, eliminate any other option.

[bigtree]

55. I think it's interesting that some here think that actually generating or fostering unity

isn't Obama's problem.

[samdogmom]

72. No.

The big problem is that Hillary is driving a huge wedge in the party. You're for her and against the rest of us...or else.....

As a Hillary supporter, do you feel the need to vote for Obama come November?


Hmmmm.

I thought not!

I rest my case.

[40ozDonkey]

34. Americans agree - he's got best shot of the three.

60% think he can unite the country as of right now, 48% think Hillary can.

As a sign of respect to a fellow Democrat I offer this olive branch - you can blame Mark Penn when it's over. It's honest enough that I'll let it slide.

[GoldieAZ49]

52. Obama’s reviews are 46% favorable and 52% unfavorable nationally nt

[40ozDonkey]

138. Sorry, thought you were talking about Americans uniting. My bad. nt

[bowens43]

36. what a stupid post.

we're in the middle of a primary. Are all hillary supporter mentally challenged?

[Mags]

97. No, but the BHO people are living in a dream world. Wake up

I had much rather be mentally challenged then seeing thing that aren't really there, like the BHo fans. You have got to wake up and face reality, BHO is not going to win, period.

[superkia]

40. Pssss, the media does play a HUGE role in many Americans...

views, just thought I would let you in on that.

If you have two companies and they both have some product defects but the media runs non stop coverage about...lets say a defective "reverend doll" and next to nothing on the defective "sniper doll" from the other company, wouldn't any person with average intelligence realize that the company that sells the reverend doll may have a hard time selling their products to everyone?

Are you ok?

You obviously are just biased in your views or have a problem comprehending the reality of the situation. Wake up and stop being an enabler to all of this bullshit we call politics, our children's future are at stake here. I care about my children and if you don't care about yours, just go hide in a closet and watch the entertainment news all day until you get even stupider.

[GoldieAZ49]

53. cute! I see you bought the reverend doll

:rofl:

[superkia]

56. No, I bought my Kucinich UFO doll, thanks!

[Drachasor]

42. Hillary is a great divider!

For those that disagree, I'd note that Obama has no one like Penn or Wolfsen in his employ.

[DerekJ]

44. Because Hillary is even a better "DIVIDER".

[Megahurtz]

48. Ask Hillary Clinton.

:hi:

[GoldieAZ49]

57. ok, so Obama can only unite if the people don't have any other choice.

another one

[still_one]

49. We need to start attacking mccain, instead of going after each other

This is exactly what the repukes and the corporate media are trying to do, incite us against each other

defend your candidate, etc. etc., but in the next few weeks if we don't stop sniping at each other, whoever our nominee is will be irrelevent because we will lose

and the consequences of that will be a disaster for the country and the world

[Mooney]

Because Hillary won't drop out. n/t

[jody]

51. Good point. n/t

[totodeinhere]

54. Even Obama, who certainly is a great uniter, cannot unite the party

as long as Clinton runs such a dirty campaign. But when he is president, then watch him unite this country for the first time in a long time.

[GoldieAZ49]

62. a great uniter, ok. What has he united in the past?

What is his record on unifying a diverse group of people?

[RaleighNCDUer]

86. Look at the support he got in rural Illinois, when running for the

senate. He didn't appeal just to urban blacks, but to rural whites as well.

There's no reason why he can't do the same when he is not in an active campaign against someone who shares his natural constituency.

[madrchsod]

121. you noticed!

i`ve been saying this since 2004....i know-- i live in ronnyland

[totodeinhere]

95. That's a fair question.

Let me tell you what happened here in Elko County. This place is about as red as you can get. We have never in the history of our congressional district elected a Dem. (Which we hope to change this year.) Bush took better than 75% of the vote in both the 2000 and the 2004 elections. In fact, it was Elko County that put Bush over the top in the tight contest in Nevada in 2004.

But something amazing happened when we had our caucuses earlier this year. The Dem caucus drew three times as many participants as the Republicans did, and that was when the Repugs still had a contest going too. At the caucus I attended I saw several life long Republicans and conservatives who decided it's time for a change. There are so few (or at least there used to be) Dems in Elko that for the Dem caucus to have had so many attendees a lot of indies and especially Repugs had to have attended the Dem caucus, not the Repug caucus. As it turned out, Obama took 65% of the caucus votes in Elko county.

If he can unite Dems and Repugs in Elko County he can surely unite everywhere else around this country.

[NastyRiffraff]

68. I don't see him uniting a LOT of people

He's just too slick...he reminds me of a used car salesperson; the old school kind.

And no, that's not Hilary's fault. Can Obama's supporters admit NO flaw in him?

Oh, right. Sorry. I forgot he has a halo.

[madrchsod]

129. yup he`s jesus`s brother!

we all believe that..really we do!

halo?..that`s old school. he`s electric!

[Mags]

101. He ain't gonna be President. Come on get real!

[madrchsod]

64. the party is always divided

when it comes to the primary silly season..what is important is the one who loses supports the winner as hard as they ran against each other. that`s when we can truly measure any division

[Mags]

104. are you kidding me, he and his supporters have trashed

a Woman who is a hero to the typical white Woman, he will never get their vote. Plain and simple.

[RaleighNCDUer]

113. She trashed herself, with no help from him.

But with plenty of help from the DLC.

She is no longer a Democrat - she's a DLCer, and cares more for the power of the DLC than the prospects of the Democratic party.

[madrchsod]

120. she is morphing into a dixiecrat....

[madrchsod]

119. white women are not going to vote for obama?

then who are they going to vote for...the walking corpse of the republican party? or sit it out so the corpse can put at least two supremes who will strike down roe and other other small gains women have made?


so "white women" will decide to vote against there own self interests if obama gets the nomination. interesting is`t it

[krabigirl]

74. Who knows...it's also the first time I've ever become complacent about politics...

:(

[corkhead]

77. .

[GoldieAZ49]

151. typical picture of an Obama supporter: all mouth and no ears

no wonder you can't hear anything negative about your leader

[Hepburn]

85. Because Hillary and her supporters cannot accept that she has lost.

That is why we are divided.

[Mags]

105. Hepburn,get real, The division came from the down and under

BHo campaign, why do you all think he is a saint. Get real, get a life, face the facts, there ain't nobody gonna vote for some one that has degraded a woman and her supporters. He ain't got a chance in hell. Think about it. Remember , he can't win without the Hill people,he ain't going to get them.

[ima_sinnic]

92. at least Billary is obvious about being a divider, I give her credit for that

Obama may aspire to be a uniter, but so far HRC has had the decency not to pretend that anyone would mistake her for a uniter.

I mean, the repukes would gouge out their eyes with a sharp stick before they'd vote for her; in fact, they'd crawl through ten miles of razor wire to vote against her, and so far the majority of Dems aren't that crazy about her either, so OP just sounds like sour grapes to me. If the corporacrat candidate is not a uniter, the people's choice better not be, either.

[JoFerret]

156. He is very adept with a whole deck of race and

identity cards.

Just ask many gay people who are following him closely.

[RBInMaine]

94. Because SLICK HILLY is dividing it.

[Lochloosa]

98. Our Party is not divided. We have two GREAT candidates

and when this is over we will have the POTUS, 60 Dems in the Senate and 300 in the House.

Then all hell will break loose.

Trust me.

[Mags]

107. quit blowing smoke, it ain't gonna happen. When you

trash Hill, you trash half the voters. That's when all hell breaks loose. Trust me.

[Lochloosa]

140. Ok, I give up. I read my post three times.

And have yet to see where I trashed Hill.

I guess we are not going to be united behind one canidate. If that is the case, enjoy four more years of bush.

[Abacus]

102. If Hillary has so much experience, why hasn't she figured out how to beat Barack Obama?

[Raine]

103. Hillary

and I do blame her because she is determined to be the candidate of disunity and destroy the Democratic Party TO GET WHAT SHE WANTS. :mad:

[Mags]

109. Oh, blame all you want, but you nor BHO have the right

to think BHO deserves the nomination until the votes are counted. Remember Mi. and Fla. he is too chicken to actually have them counted. What a coward.,So is anyone who would be against having all the voted counted. Remember G. W. Bush vs. Gore. We all died with the vote being decided by the Supreme Court, now you want to cast all these votes to trash, what happened . Afraid?

[madrchsod]

124. "chicken "and "coward.."

how do you REALLY feel about barack?

[Mags]

127. you don't really want to know.

[GoldieAZ49]

110. So you (and others up thread) think Hillary is the stronger candidate

interesting, for a party that wants to win, presumably, in November.

[RaleighNCDUer]

118. Not at all.

Tell me, which is easier? To mold a vase out of clay, paint it with attractive designs, and fire it in the kiln without causing it to shatter due to wrong heat levels?

Or to break it?

Hillary will break the party - that doesn't make her stronger, any more than breaking Iraq proved that Bush was strong.

[unblock]

114. so ... if the dalai lama is oh so peace-loving, .... ?

[anonymous171]

115. Uniting the entire part against old republican rule is what he can do.

It is Hillary's triangulation that is fucking everything up.

[Araxen]

116. It's funny how the Hillbots try and blame Obama...

when it's Hillary tearing the party apart. Take the blinders off and see the truth Hillbots!

[lojasmo]

117. Hillary is the 'great divider' Nyah, nyah.

[dailykoff]

125. The age-old question: why is there evil in the world?

Better ask God that one. :shrug:

[madrchsod]

131. well god has`t the time to listen to anyone here

he`s to busy writing out the list of the republicans who ain`t getting past the gates... :rofl:

[dailykoff]

135. LOL

meanwhile they're buying a stairway to heaven...

[madrchsod]

137. hmmmm..good one!

[skater314159]

128. Cause Hillary is a egotistical person...

... who uses Emotional Blackmail to get what she wants and to destroy those who stand in her way.

[AZBlue]

130. This is another bullshit Clinton meme.

Apparently a united party is one whose members all think alike? So you'd like a party of clones? So stupid!

[madrchsod]

132. clones? like the republicans?

just because they have a D does`t mean they get a break....they did`t get any in the 60`s

[Colobo]

133. He will unite the party once Hillary drops out.

[JoFerret]

136. Cos of hillary and this is why i hate her

she has a nerve and needs to be destroyed compltely.
She is a shrill and a shrew and she chose a wrong man to marry and i love Obama so much.
Hillary is EVIL Pure eveil and she loves Mccain - i heard it on DU so it is true.
whats more she is a monster and WANTS to win. that is tarbel.She hates democrats. she is NOT a democat and she destoy he party with her wanting to win. obama snipe but he is perfect and like a god to me she is harbel and must be stopped at all cost otherwise people will vote mccain an she is a LIER

[GoldieAZ49]

143. LOL

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[andym]

139. Both Obama and Clinton beleive that the party will be unified at some time in the near future

from today's news:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080328/ap_on_el_pr/democrats_party_unity

"They may bicker daily over issues, character and innuendo, but both Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama appear to agree on one thing: Democratic voters will coalesce around a nominee and carry him or her to victory in November over Republican John McCain."

---------------
Of course, each hopes that he or she will be the unifier :)

[Buzz Clik]

145. LOL!!!! That has to be best laugh I've had all week!

Obama never claimed to be able to quell the passions of those so fixed on becoming President that nothing else mattered.

He claims to be able to bridge the chasm among the general population that was purposely constructed by Rove/Cheney/Bush over the past 8 years.

[CreekDog]

147. because he can't stop you from being divisive

that's your decision and responsibility.
:hi:

[slinkerwink]

149. Uh, it's clearly Clinton.

[alphafemale]

152. Hillary. nt

[DemVet]

153. Quit it....you're not allowed to make sense on this board.