Obama supporters, what exactly is it that Hillary is doing that you feel needs to be stopped?

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Threads abound that scream she must drop out now, post after post screaming that, "I've lost all respect for her," some DUers screaming, "I'm DONE with her," (that claim made by some posters repeatedly).

I need to know, what exactly is it she has done?

Criticize Obama, who himself practically began the campaign by calling her "bush/cheney lite," comparing her to romney and gouliani, saying she's untrustworthy?

What is it she has done or is doing that results in such vile threads?

Please, tell me in detail what it is she has done or is doing that merits your undying hatred.

[Warren Stupidity]

1. Continuing her dead end destructive campaign. nt.

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2. But how is it "dead end," and how is it "destructive?"

[Hamlette]

5. she can't make up the delegates

unless the superdelegates ignore the "regular" delegates

It's destructive because it is making Hillary look small (and her husband, I've lost respect for both of them) and Obama look bad too.

[Skip Intro]

11. How does it make Obama look bad? Besides, both will fall short of the nom in pledged dels.

Both need the super dels to come to their aid.

If Obama can't handle the nomination process, how the hell would he be able to handle the repuke machine in the summer and fall?

Hillary has broke no rules. Do you fear the Democratic process?

[wileedog]

21. But one has the pledged vote on his side

And what is democratic about 800 superdelegates overturning that vote?

[Hamlette]

26. we don't need to help the GOP do its job

the country is more important than that.

She did break the rules. She trashed a fellow dem. Them's my rules. If you don't like 'em, why are you telling us to shut up about her dropping out.

Why can't she suspend her campaign. If she honestly believes Obama will implode, she can walk into the convention and save the party.

The longer this goes on, the more she pisses off people like my mother, the more impossible that becomes from her.

I switched a couple months ago (the mocking Obama speech) but my mom just changed when Clinton brought up Wright (in an interview with Scarif no less). She called me today furious! She's donated to Clinton for 8 years and we don't even live in NY.

My mother is the picture of reason. She is a loyal democrat and defended the Clintons against all comers for 16 years. When you lose people like her, you need to think maybe you did something wrong.

I will tell you, my mom is 84 and not a one of us changed her mind. She is the matriarch of the family and we decided she got to have her own views on this. Not a one of us took her on. She changed just by listening to Clinton.

When she called me tonight she'd heard Clinton's interview on Fox and told me she can't stand to listen to her anymore. She asked what has happened to Hillary. She said she never could understand what she thought was irrational hatred of the Clintons. Tonight she said she finally understands it. She says she feels the same way about both of them.

Honest. When my mom, who has sent checks to Hillary for 8 years says that, you need to step back and look in the mirror.

[depakid]

14. Obama can't win without superdelegates, either

"Regular" delegates won't get him the nomination... so, how is Hillary different again?

[anamandujano]

52. Add to that, he has done more vicious trashing but the MSM sweeps it

under the rug.

[bluerum]

Pay no attention to the man behind the cutain.

It is dead end presumably, because at this point point she can't win. Or at least the Obamites say so.

It is destructive because, it causes the Obama to expend his wealth campaigning for the nomination when we all know it should just be conceded to him.

But - it is unfortunate that we have two good candidates fighting tooth and nail while the repiglican is sitting in his office sipping schnapps.

[anamandujano]

54. Don't worry about Obama's campaign funds. Exelon and others are

standing by if needed.

[Hamlette]

3. my short list:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/26/104555/955/7/484087

[Noirceuil]

4. Obama's supporters have proven...

that liberals can be every bit as sexist, hateful, and racist as right-wingers.

[theredpen]

10. Because only a sexist, hateful, and racist person would oppose Hillary Clinton

Right?

[anamandujano]

51. It has more to do with your tried and true right wing talking points.

[pathansen]

57. Yeah, it appears all those right-wingers came to DU

[baldguy]

6. For one thing, she can stop being Bush/Cheney lite.

And start being more trustworthy.

[RBInMaine]

7. You need to read more: i.e. kitchen sink, scorched earth, LIES LIES LIES, etc. etc. etc.

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15. Yet not one example of those things in your post.

[RBInMaine]

24. Aw gee, guess you aren't reading much so here goes:

1) She says that smaller states, red states, and caucus don't matter, that is, whenever she LOSES them.

2) She praises Obama one day, has a buggy spell on him the next.

3) She was against Nafta before she was for it before she was against it again.

4) Silly and phony plagiarism charges, then she uses Bill and Edwards lines REPEATEDLY.

5) Voted for the Iraq debacle and won't admit it was an error.

6) Constant exaggeration of her "experience" (the Bosnia lie just being the being the latest example).

7) Reducing herself to mocking her opponent.

8) Her rally surrogates blatant slurs against Obama supporters and her not denouncing it.

9) Her SLICK and SLIMY use of the Wright matter.

10) Her SLICK and SLIMY attempts to steal pledged delegates, and her surrogate donors threatening Nancy Pelosi on Nancy's superdelegate comments.

11) Her hiding her tax and other records.

12) The millions she takes from horrid rotten lobbyists and corporate PACS and defends it.

13) Sick and tired of the Bush/Clinton dynasties.

14) Saying she is running on her merits and it's not about gender then says, "It would be a real change to have a woman President."

15) Her awful attitude of entitlement to the Presidency.

And if you had a few hours I could give you a hundred or so other examples, but I think you're getting the drift.

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31. WTF is a "bugy spell" and when did she cast it? Do me a favor, pick one and tell me all about it, ok

I see a lot of spin and opinion, but what, specifically, about any of the supposed crimes you list, merits calls for her to drop out or be ostricized?

For example, you state one reason would be her "slick and slimy use of the Wright issue." Well, several things come to mind. First, what was slick or slimy about her answering a direct quetion about the issue and giving her opinion? Second, why should the Wright issue be off the table? It won't be in November? What is this sense of entitlement Obama and his crew claim that certain aspects of his life should be out of bounds, yet his crew here has seen fit to question her marriage?

Please, enlighten me. Pick one of your "list" and tell me how it happened and why it causes you to hate her.

[RBInMaine]

68. First, I never said I "hated" her. Her TACTICS and ACTIONS are HORRID. And,

a "buggy spell" is when someone "goes buggy" on someone else. (Is there any common sense with you?) To look good in a debate she ended by heaping sweet praises on Obama. Two days later, she waves a 3-week old flyer around and screeches "Shame on you Barack Obama." It was WEIRD and shows she'll flip flop and morph moment to moment to play to her audience, much like the Bosnia LIE.

OK, she was asked about Wright, but then she sickeningly pulls out a PREPARED additional statement about it in a news conference obviously to try to shift the attention off the Bosnia LIE and take another cheap shot at Obama. In that statement, she said that we CHOOSE our pastors. So the point about her marriage is if she is going to say that she would have "divorced" Wright, then she should explain why she CHOSE to stay with a near-serial adulterer. Fair is fair. Consistency now, consistency. The point is that these are COMPLEX personal matters, and she should not second guess someone else regarding a complex long term personal relationship.

I for one am NOT telling Hillary to "drop out" at this point in time. That's her decision. But what I have done, which is also implied in your post, is to have given you a list of grievences with Hillary which clearly outline the severe disappointments with her and why people don't like her, or at least don't like her methods. As to her leaving the race, I will say that she can not beat her math problem with the pledged delegates, and threatening to take it to a convention floor fight will BACKFIRE on her bigtime. Personally, I think after early June she'll see she can't win so WILL drop out on her own. I think there will be an insurmountable shift of superdelegates to Obama. In the meantime, she needs to understand that her scorched earth, win at all costs no matter how much is hurts the party tactics, in the end, is MAINLY hurting HERSELF. She is already pissing off MANY bigwigs in the party BIGTIME !!

[ProSense]

8. Here's an

entire thread on the subject.

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27. I see nothing there to warrant demands she drop out or be ostricized from the party.

I see a lot of opinion and spin, but what there exactly can you point to that would cause you to demand she drop out?

[pathansen]

58. I agree with you completely

We really don't know all of the facts yet about Obama.
He has yet to release any of his records while State Senator.
They seemed to have all disappeared.
So what is he hiding? Some suspect his dealings with Rezko

[Hawkeye-X]

9. Dragging her dead horse-of-a-campaign..

She has zero chance, mathematically and SD won't override Obama just for Hillary, so she's literally dead on arrival, so why continue to support a dead and fuckin' stinking horse? All Clinton does is attract flies and Republicans at this point.

[anamandujano]

53. She 's won half the voters with less money and the MSM backing Obama.

[NDambi]

12. She needs to stop being Hillary.

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19. Because......? C'mon, specifics please. What causes you to say that?

[NDambi]

38. Because that's what she is and shouldn't be...get it now

[Ned_Devine]

13. I don't have "hatred" for any one

I do however feel that she has crossed certain lines of the way that democrats should campaign against each other, i.e. the multiple times she mentiond McCain as a worthy president but all Obama had was a speech from 2002. I don't like the fact that she received financing as well as a fundraiser from Ruppert Murdoch. The Bosnia thing just seemed to be par for the course. I feel that it's slightly disingenuous that she suddenly sees the importance of Fla. and MI. when earlier in 2007 she said that those states wouldn't matter in the primaries. To me she has come to represent everything that I can't stand about politics. I could go on, but that's all I have the energy for right now.
I don't think I said anything nasty in here, just my own thoughts and feelings

[RBInMaine]

16. Do you like Hillary in her own right, or because she's female. Careful, it's TRUTH time now.

[still_one]

17. All I want is both candidates to attack mccain more than each other

I will work for my candidate, just as I know you will work for yours, but in the end I WANT A DEMOCRAT IN THE WHITEHOUSE

I do not want to deal with who started what first, the prospect of mccain becoming president because we destroy each other is frightening

[mudesi]

18. Race baiting Rezko Flyers Plagiarism Endorsing McCain Bosnia "X Doesn't count" etc etc etc etc etc

Where have you been?

[TexasLady]

20. for me, because I will vote for whomever is the nom in the Dem...

keepin it above board and clean. Attacking the real enemy and idiot, Mr. Presump-Gramps Bush Lite. That turns me on to her.Accentuating her strengths, and showing us what filth-tards Repukes are, cuz it's a history with them..They are always the 'hit below the belt' party. Then they laugh about it..arent we sick of it yet?

NOTHING would make me happier than if both DEM candidates did this..I do realize that it isn't always 'that candidate' and often, that 'surrogate'...but hey.. Remember the oppostion..primaries tend to make us forget..

anything against Repukes and Bush and McCain and Rush and InSanity-Hannity et al, is a positive for either Dem Side.. Calling them on their stupid shit. Each Dem Candidate taking up for the other...THATS what I'd like.. Go after the TRUE terrorists that this board has been against since it's beginning..Like what they both showed today...I love that.

Yeah, that turns me on..bet it turns on most Folks, If I'd be a bettin woman..

[tabasco]

22. Attacking Obama for his outspoken pastor.

Blaming Obama for FLA and MI primaries being meaningless.
Elevating John McCain over Obama.
Falsely claiming Obama has not released his records.
Hiding her tax records, White House records, Library contributor list, Senate earmark request records from Democratic voters.
Embarrassing all Democrats with her phony war stories.
Silly, immature histrionics which embarrass the entire party.
Thinly veiled racist baloney.
Making scurrilous insinuations about Obama's drug use when he was young.
Insinuating that Obama is not telling the truth about his ties to Rezko.

but most of all....

STOP BEING A REPUBLICAN!

[GrantDem]

23. Continuing a dead end campaign...

with Baghdad-Bob-like tactics.

[roseBudd]

25. We cannot afford to run a candidate who a significant portion of the electorate will never vote for

Her unfavorables are too high, getting higher after the major inflated danger experience gaffe.

Really?

She did not consider there might be video.

Really?

There was Monica video from a random crowd meet and greet. Amazing how quickly it turned up.

So Really Hillary, there is video, eyewitnesses.

Have you lost your mind?

[RBInMaine]

29. It wasn't a mere "gaffe". SNIPERGATE is a LIE ! Plain and simple.

[roseBudd]

37. It is a lie, but by gaffe I mean major political stumble, a macaca moment from which

there may be no chance of recovery.

[RBInMaine]

65. 10-4. Agreed.

[Aussie leftie]

69. I don't think Hillary Clinton deserves that analogy of "macaca moment".

That was a very racist remark made by a republican. You can analyze every word spoken by both Hillary and Bill during this campaign and not one of them has been racist.

[grantcart]

28. judas

[goclark]

30. Running for the nomination in the Republican party

I can't recall a candidate in either party that praises/worships the opposition candidate.

That is wrong! She can not be trusted.

I have no problem with her challenging Sen. Obama but not while she is praising the opposition.

That tells me one thing ~ she is so power hungry that she would turn on her own party.

That is beyond belief.

"McCain has Experience, I have experience and Obama has a speech!"

Then she has the nerve to pretend to be upset that MI and FL 's votes are not counted. For which party is she worried about -- she is a Republican in Democrats clothing.

It is not a pretty picture to watch. After watching the lies and dirty tricks played by the Bush administration, it's a very hard pill to swallow.

Thanks for being kind enough to ask and I hope that my response gives you some indication regarding the depth of my feelings.

Obama was very observant at the beginning of the campaign. He was being kind, now that the world has seen her in action she is --- Bush/Cheney on the rocks with a chaser.

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33. He was being kind?

Can you not see the inherent unfairness of him calling Hillary "status quo" and painting himself as the only real agent of change, and then calling her a repuke when she tries to say that her time in politics may actually be an asset?

Maybe not.


Thanks for an honest answer.

I must confess, I have about as much love for Obama as you have for Hillary.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

32. Let me see if I can answer that question...

Let me preface this by saying that I do not think Hillary should drop out. And I certainly haven't lost all respect for her. I'm not "DONE" with her. I'll vote for her in the general. I'll probably send her money if I have it, I may even volunteer for her, and I will definitely breathe a great sigh of relief if she (or Obama) beats McCain in the general. I also believe that the Democratic party owes the Clintons a debt of gratitude for leading us out of the wilderness of the 1980s, and for showing Americans that the Democratic party could still be a force for positive change in their lives. This is something we should never forget.

That said, I have certain problems with the way she has conducted her campaign. On numerous occasions she has come very close to belittling both Obama and his supporters. I believe that when all is said and done, the story of her campaign will be this: Faced with a choice between embracing the sort of positive change espoused by candidates such as Obama and Richardson, and discarding both the ideas and ideals of those candidates and their supporters, she chose the latter. Rather than embracing these people into the fold, these people who espoused exactly the same hope and optimism for change that she and her own husband had espoused during the 90s, she instead chose to demean them and ignore them, and to laugh at them. And attack them.

Quite frankly, I have been very disheartened by her campaign. I feel it has been cynical in the extreme. I feel that had Clinton embraced and understood the forces working behind the Obama campaign, and chosen to work with them rather than against them, that we would be in a far, far better position today. Unfortunately we are at the opposite end of the spectrum now, where decent, intelligent people like Bill Richardson are called "Judas" simply for having the gall not to agree with the Clintons. This is not good. Nobody in their right mind would think this was good. This is not the way somebody who intends to be the leader of the free world should act. It is petty and selfish.

As harsh as the above may seem, it is not Hillary I dislike, but her campaign. Again, we owe a debt of gratitude to the Clintons - one that we must not forget. But that does not in any way excuse Hillary Clinton's behavior, or the behavior of her advisers. And I will continue to take issue with their behavior until they realize that not everybody who disagrees with them is necessarily their enemy.

[Frumious B]

35. I definitely take issue with the way that Hillary is strengthening McCain.

It just seems to me that she has become so short-sighted and single-minded in her pursuit of Obama that she has lost the big picture of her party actually winning in November. It just seems logical to me that if the will put her needs ahead of the needs of her party that she will also have little trouble putting her needs ahead of the needs of the American people.

[cyndensco]

34. For me, it started with her vote to authorize the bush war

and my animosity for her grew each time she refused to admit that she had made a mistake. Perhaps if she owned up to her "error", I would have gained a bit of respect for her.

I thought how she handled herself on 60 Minutes was reprehensible. Her "as far as I know" answer to the question of whether Obama is a muslim seemed so calculated. It is not that Obama needs her to fight his fights for him - he does QUITE well on his own - but she takes every opportunity to fuel the fire.

Finally, she acts so ENTITLED. I don't get that - her experience, as I see it, is having been married to an ex-president.


I think if she is somehow elected as president in Nov., unless something drastic happens to change my opinion of her, I will have to keep my remote by my side like I have done the past 8 years - this time it will to turn her off, not bush.

[futureliveshere]

36. Biggest turn-off was when she promoted war mongerer McC against Obama

Till then it was all right. Nasty to see them fighting but it was within the fold. Supporting McCain over Obama crossed the line for me.

[uponit7771]

40. This was mine, I don't know what the hell she was thinking. I don't know how someone can excuse this

...she has lost a lot of my trust on promoting McCains positives over Obamas

[Willo]

39. She has and continues to use her intelligence to use and abuse people.

If you're for her she'll use you. Against her, she'll abuse you. Thus, I don't trust her.

Skip Intro...thank you. What I posted above is what easily came to mind at 10:00 p.m. It is now almost 1:00 a.m. and I am still writing the details. I'm tired and brain dead now. I'll finish it, clean it up and post it tomorrow.

[Jed Dilligan]

41. Lying about sniper fire

Inciting hysteria about terrorism

to name a couple.

[cooolandrew]

42. HRC is taking it to the SDs where responsible condidates have left it to publica opinion in the past

If HRC was leading had earned all her votes to be there and Obama managed to overturn at the superdlegates would youfeel outrage?

[PetraPooh]

43. You clearly don't want answers.

[Perry Logan]

44. It has been my observation that the accusations against Hillary are virtually all lies.

The facts are wrong, or facts are misinterpreted. There's always another side to the story--but the Hillary haters simply ignore the debunkings and go on repeating their accusations. Then they freak out over how horrible Hillary has been--when it's all stuff they made up in their minds.

[Ned_Devine]

49. Are you being sarcastic?

[anamandujano]

55. Obama's campaign started yelling racist and other slurs in an effort

to silence Hillary and her campaign. The MSM has backed his nasty tactics at every turn.

She cannot speak or blink an eye, she cannot do anything without Obama and the MSM calling her a dirty campaigner.

They want to lie and continue being vague and mischaracterize her and not get any feedback at all. They do not want her to defend herself. They do not want her to set the record straight. They do not want her to pry any information out of Mr. Vague.

This has been what the whole Dem primary season has been about. The problem is that voters have informed Obama, his Dem BananaRepukelicans and the MSM that she can and will win.

[Vinca]

45. Hillary has virtually no chance of a legitimate win at this point.

Her only hope is the disenfranchisement of Obama voters by somehow flipping his pledged delegates. And this is including Florida and Michigan into the mix. In the meantime, she continues to demean the likely nominee, giving the opposition fodder for the general election. Then, of course, there's the McCain love fest. At this point, I'm embarrassed for Hillary. She's a laughingstock after the Bosnia tale and would best serve the party and herself by stepping aside.

[Asgaya Dihi]

46. Let me count the ways...

First off, these are NOT reasons to hate her, they are however a few things that bother me about this campaign and I think they are responsible for some of the anger.

Off the top of my head...

Stop talking better about the republican than other democrats. McCain is qualified, she is, but Obama isn't? You don't think that might hurt us in the general? I do, and no matter who the nominee is.

She and Bill both could stop saying that a campaign between her and McCain would be so wonderful and lovely, just two people who love their country. And Obama doesn't? Feeding that patriotism doubt again with a backhanded slap.

She and Bill might put away that kitchen sink strat. I remember a couple who would complain about the politics of personal destruction and told us about hope. Now I see a couple who practices the politics of personal destruction and ridicules hope. I liked the first set better. The other night Bill said "if you don't like the game get off the field", but I'd have to wonder what the young Bill who hated that game would have thought of that, I'd bet he heard that line a few times too. Stop selling out just because they are attacking instead of defending this time, if it was wrong before it's wrong now.

She could try in general tearing down the republican instead of the dem. She keeps telling us how she'd be better against him in the general election but all I've seen is a lovefest between them, when she going to show us she can fight him? She seems more interested in attacking the dems and showing how much she likes the repub. I can't remember her ever fighting any repub, let alone this one, with as much energy as she puts into tearing down this dem. Show us she can run against the repub instead of just saying it then attacking the dem.

The primaries are fair, to her at least, but the caucuses not fair because they aren't 'democratic', but superdelegates being less democratic yet to them somehow are democratic and overturning the will of the people is just fine. Unless it hurts her somehow, then it's not. That would be disenfranchising someone. Her best I can tell. Let her see the results and who gets the advantage, then she'll tell you if it's right or wrong. Might be an idea to stop that. Just feeds the dishonesty doubts, Bosnia and such aside.

Same deal with Florida and such. Many of the people who were in charge of both setting the rules and then penalizing Florida are on HER CAMPAIGN, they actually did it, not Obama. She was not only with the plan but her people ran it, right up until it looked like a disadvantage for her. Then it was someone else's fault and all of her positions changed and she's trying to smear Obama for what her people are actually more responsible for. Might be an idea to stop that. That honesty issue again, and targeted at another dem. We've seen tactics like this but normally not from our party.

That's enough for the moment, give me a minute to think about it though and I'm sure I could come up with more. Short and sweet, it would be nice to see her run a campaign with some sense of fairness and right/wrong, not just win no matter what it takes.

[mmonk]

47. I don't have undying hatred. I do know that the manner

she is trying to wrest control of the party, system, and apparatus through a bullying technique by party operatives loyal to her that leaves hard enduring feelings is not what we need right now. If you don't think that has been happening, then you aren't objective. It looks like someone is finally getting through to the Clinton campaign with their comments yesterday and at least that is a positive sign.

[eridani]

48. Using Republican memes and framing

An utter disaster in the general election for both of them.

[Willo]

50. Character means a lot to me.

I define a person by their sense of honesty, ethics and morals.

People with low character are not people I want around me.
And where I can control it, they are not.

I would never recommend a man of low character to date my girlfrend or invite people of low character to your dinner party.

I don't like word games, spin or whatever else its called. A lie is a lie. Period.

There may be good reason for telling a lie. But, if you deny it for what it is, we can't even have the rest of that conversation.

I am dumbfounded that people are okay with being lied to, if its called something else. Spin, misspoke...what a bunch of BS.

You misspeak a word. You can not misspeak entire sentences and paragraph(s).

Flip flop - you either changed your mind, which is fine, or, you're lying about one or the other.

Calling a person a liar, who has not done so is just as grievous.
It is of low character to "smear" (there's another lie word) someone else's name and character.

You cannot distinguish between nor defend the increasing rumors and accusations from start to present. If you can't call a lie, a lie when you hear one.

Hillary Clinton is a liar. She tells big lies and little lies about herself. She tells big lies and little lies about others.

She lies on others to point the finger away from her own lies and low character.

That is what she has done and is doing.

[anamandujano]

56. You would not back Obama if you lived your own words.

You choose to be willfully ignorant to his lies.

[Willo]

59. Not at all.

As much as I like Obama, I prefer truth more. I would be terribly disappointed in him and in the idea of "if it were only true".
But, if he were not so, what do I gain by pretending otherwise?

It does me, personally, no good to to choose ignorance over truth.

[anamandujano]

61. Simply stated, he has lied a lot. The MSM covers for him.

[Willo]

62. That may be so

but an unexposed lie will still be a lie when exposed.

You have no reason to care about the importance of character to me. But, my son's can tell you stories about how this ranked on the punishment scale :)

So please, if you have knowledge of these lies, I'd like you to tell me about them.

Thanks.

[Arugula Latte]

60. Her praising of McCain, and Bill Clinton's praising of McCain, make me SICK!!!

That is unforgivable, in my opinion. :grr:

[knixphan]

63. I don't do hatred.

I do antipathy, sometimes disdain...

But the only thing I can say that makes me shake my head at Mrs. Clinton is

the endorsement of John McCain.

that's borderline treason to me.

[Yes We Did]

64. For starters... I don't hate her... I don't like her tactics. It's tired

She didn't bother with the Wright controversial at first and then after she got in trouble for her lies about Tusla she decided to deflect attention by talking about Wright.

She voted for the War, said she passed the commander in chief threshold and Obama had just a speech. His speech didn't get 4000 troops killed but her war authorization did.

She voted for the war.
She voted for the Kyle/Lieberman amendment
She voted against the Levin bill
She voted for that bad bankruptcy bill.
And she lied about NAFTA
She lied about Tusla.
She really didn't do alto of defending against the muslim label... ie... "not that I know of". That wasn't necessary.
She has injected race into this campaign at every turn, since SC and she's doing it again in PA. Appealing to whites to line up against Obama.
And more disturbing is that frankly her whole campaign has been about Obama.

[joshcryer]

66. You guys are doing an amazing job rebuffing the hate, here.

Well done.

[lojasmo]

67. Doing things like supporting Kyl-Lieberman.

IWR

etc.

[walldude]

70. First of all telling her to drop out isn't "vile".

Please, you do yourself a disservice by exaggerations like that. Second as an Obama supporter I could care less if she drops or not. But what you relly want to know is why, right?

1. A Democrat shouldn't under any circumstances in the climate we are in, denigrate their opponent while praising the Neo-Con on the other side of the isle.

2. Stop with the Rove playbook. The 3am ad, had it been run by a Republican would have been soundly denounced by all on DU.

3. Hillary's attitude reminds me of Lieberman's when he lost the primary. ie: THAT SEAT IS MINE.


Hillary made some way with me yesterday when she called for McCains defeat, but she's a long way from my respect. Her "experience" statement is on video and McCain will probably be using it in the general. In spite of the fact that his "experience" hasn't helped him properly identify Shia, Sunni, Iran and Al-Quaeda. And hasn't given him any better insight into the economy than "wait it out".

[stillcool]

71. The list is so long

as I recall, first it was the Muslim emails. Then came the drug & racial comments. Iowa was the students voting. Nevada was the lawsuit. Then came a long list of states that did not matter. Then came the caucuses were undemocratic. Nothing at all to do with 'issues'. Then came threats regarding delegates. And it's not even been 3 months.