Numerous Hillary supporters oppose interracial dating and think civil rights have gone too far!!

[Cali_Democrat]

This is just sickening...


"While Obama has a mostly favorable image among white Democrats, those with unfavorable views about him are likelier to say equal rights for minorities have gone too far and to oppose interracial dating. Almost one in four white Democrats who view Obama unfavorably also think he is Muslim, when in fact he is Christian."


http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/03/27/poll_obama_leads_clinton_nationally/


I guess these are the people Hillary was appealing to with her race baiting campaign. There is no place for racism within the Democratic Party and Hillary's campaign has been appealing to their worst fears.

[FrenchieCat]

1. Guess they all hate Tiger Woods and Halle Berry, and me .....

so they can kiss my yellow ass!

[Coexist]

22. and two of my three kids.

on edit - there is no way I think that the Clintons themselves would be happy to have these people vote for them.

[krawhitham]

47. everybody hates Halle Berry

she is the Hit and Run queen

[Cha]

75. You have to look at the whole picture

and no..not everyone hates Halle Berry. Me, for instance.

[TahitiNut]

139. I'd much rather date a Halle Berry than a Hillary Clinton.

It's not even close. :shrug:

[surfermaw]

91. Glad to see you post this, I have been thinking the same thing

My husband that old white guy, usually turns off Golf if Tiger isn't in the game, his favorite thing is whatch out they hear Tiger coming and freeze up and loose.

[Tellurian]

124. The OP is nothing more than a smear against Hillary supporters..

Either you people cannot read or you prefer living in your bubble insulated by hate!

Either way, your grasp of what passes for reality in your world is sick.

[HughMoran]

130. "your bubble insulated by hate"

That's the reality of it - I'm sickened by the levels that they stoop to here - and then justify it!

[dchill]

166. Yes, of course, the Boston Globe...

national bastion/bubble insulated by hate. And the phrase "your grasp of what passes for reality" is thick with irony, considering the source.

[Name removed]

169. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[AngryAmish]

131. My question is: Who would they have Tiger Woods date and/or marry?

IIRC, he is a mix of African-American, Chinese, Thai, Caucasian, American Indian maybe and I don't know what else. Who do the bi or multi-racial date?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

147. ONLY.........only 618 of the 1,512 of those surveyed claimed to "lean"or were Dems!!!..

you are disgusting and I hope your claimed to be "yellow ass" don't choke to death on your hatred

[ElsewheresDaughter]

151. to bad Rev Wright threw Tiger Woods "yellow ass" under the bus along time ago.

but of course your open mind didn't hear those words

[Kahuna]

2. No dung.

:shrug:

[Fed_Up_Grammy]

3. Ignore this stuff. It's a 1500 person poll. Ridiculous.

[Cali_Democrat]

4. I refuse to ignore facts. nt

[crankychatter]

78. I've been seeing this since I came to DU last week

I pointed it out, made a post of all the incendiary, slime-slinging and in some cases outright racist strings...

and got called out personally by dozens of Clinton supporters that called me everything but a White Man...

One of whom took her DU name from a Racist smear video on You Tube...

and STILL they defend it...

[Life Long Dem]

123. Yeah, don't even look at a Hillary supporter the wrong way. LOL!

[niceypoo]

137. Facts?

Polls are 'facts?'

Don't be so shrill and gullible

[roguevalley]

167. you refuse to ignore facts. then you argree that the polls and

analysis made that Clinton can't win unless an asteroid lands on Barack Obama are true. Or, do you only believe SOME facts and not others? Just asking.

[CitizenLeft]

20. those are the famous Reagan Democrats...

...to the core. Middle class whites who have struggled all their lives, who are threatened by any gains by African-Americans, no matter how fragile, illusory or temporary those gains may be. They exist. Cleveland suburbs are encircled by them. They can't be dismissed, and are definitely visible in this primary.

[KittyWampus]

these are fellow human beings who allow their Reptilian Brain to influence their behavior

they are very susceptible to divisive rhetoric. The Us v. Them.

Best way to reach these people is using Humor and Emotion.

I will post this outright. The only way to reach these people is to remind them of Katrina.

[CitizenLeft]

46. and having said what I said, I totally agree.

These are the very same people who have turned on Bush, the very same who were sickened by the response to Katrina. They are the reason Bush's approval numbers tanked. So, yes... they are not unreachable. But when their fears are stroked, and their demons fed, they take the path of least resistance and ignore their better angels.

In my opinion, and I'm serious about this (LOL), Obama needs to take a page out of Oprah's book. Early in her TV career, she went to a very racist town and had a town hall meeting. Remember that? She won these people over by listening, and not being defensive, and not contradicting them or arguing with them. She just listened. Obama should do the very same thing, all across PA and IN and KY, in the reddest areas, into the very heart of Reagan Democrat(ic) territory. Go there, listen, and win them over. If anyone can do it, it's him.

[patrice]

51. GOOD advice!

:applause:

[CitizenLeft]

60. thank you!

If he wins the nom, he most DEFINITELY should attempt it, every corner of America, if at all possible. :hi:

[patrice]

65. ALL of us need to listen to the People more.

That's something grassroots organizing could START with.

[Catherina]

85. They're called McCain Democrats now

and I can't wait for them to be gone from the party back where they came from. I'll gladly trade non-racist Republicans for them any day. The Democratic party shouldn't be held hostage by such backwards people.

[CitizenLeft]

92. amen!

Once upon a time, I labeled fundies and evangelicals as bigoted by definition, because they, by voting Republican, supported economic policies lethal to not only African-Americans, but the poor of all races - and I couldn't understand how they couldn't see that, as "Christians." As time went on, and I learned more about them, I realize that was unfair, and inaccurate. I'm willing to bet Obama will get more votes from evangelicals - those not completely tied to pro-life issues, that is - than from Reagan Democrats.

[AngryOldDem]

141. Bingo.

I daresay that most of these will vote Republican in November anyway.

[anigbrowl]

111. 1500i s a good sample size - what's your problem?

[dorkulon]

125. Nearly every poll you see in the news has a sample size of about 1,000 people.

You get much beyond that, and it's diminishing returns in terms of accuracy. 1,500 is totally normal.

[guidod]

5. WOW!! Unbelievable...

[texastoast]

6. You are about as unhelpful as they get

Keep posting this shit and you will have McLame as your president. Hope you will be happy.

[Cali_Democrat]

8. Stop being an Ostrich. Don't stick your head in the sand. nt

[texastoast]

45. My head isn't in the sand

I've been through many political scenarios over many, many years, and your stuff is what pukes should be posting.

[Catherina]

86. Not posting it doesn't make it go away.

Sure it helps some people think no one's on to their racism but tolerating it by pretending it's not there is no way to build a party or rally people around progressive values to win an election.

[AX10]

12. This militant PC crap to stop.

People supporting HRC are all doing it because of racial issues.
For the record, BHO is getting 90% of the black vote.

Vote against Obama = Racist! Oh, that's going to work well in the fall. NOT! :eyes:

[Beacool]

33. It's the liberal "white guilt"................

African-Americans voting between 76% (SC) up to 91% (SC) for Obama has NOTHING to do with his race. On the other hand, whites voting for Hillary are obviously racists because otherwise they would have been able to see the greatness of the Anointed One.

Kool-Aid, anyone?

:crazy:

[AX10]

34. It's the liberal "white guilt" alright.

Just as Lawence O'Donnell.

[patrice]

38. He isn't the Anointed One to all of his supporters. It's a rational choice. nt

[texastoast]

49. Unhelpful n/t

[Beacool]

54. I just stated the truth. n/t

[texastoast]

61. Truth is subjective

Facts should be posted with a view toward getting a Dem candidate elected.

Not one person running for any office is "perfect." The country's culture, mood, and proclivities should be take into consideration before posting, unless of course we plan to be happy with McCain.

[Beacool]

67. Mccain is a moderate and there are plenty of Dems.

who will not vote for Obama for various reasons, the main one cited: lack of experience.

[Forkboy]

108. McCain is moderate like Bush is Shakespeare.

Naral rating - 0%

"If I am fortunate enough to be elected as the next President of the United States, I pledge to you to be a loyal and unswerving friend of the right to life movement."

"I’m proud that we have Justice Alito and Roberts on the United States Supreme Court. I’m very proud to have played a very small role in making that happen."

"I do not support Roe v. Wade. I think it should be overturned."

2007 In 2007 NARAL Pro-Choice America gave Senator McCain a grade of 0.

2006 Senator McCain supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 0 percent in 2006.

2006 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Planned Parenthood 0 percent in 2006.

2005-2006 Senator McCain supported the interests of the National Family Planning & Reproductive Health Association 0 percent in 2005-2006.

2005-2006 Senator McCain supported the interests of the National Right to Life Committee 75 percent in 2005-2006.

2005 Senator McCain supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 0 percent in 2005.

2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 0 percent in 2004.

2003-2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the National Right to Life Committee 82 percent in 2003-2004.

2003 Senator McCain supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 0 percent in 2003.

2001-2002 Senator McCain supported the interests of the National Right to Life Committee 33 percent in 2001-2002.

2001 Senator McCain supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 0 percent in 2001.

2001 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Planned Parenthood 0 percent in 2001.

2000 Senator McCain supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 0 percent in 2000.

1999-2002 Senator McCain supported the interests of the National Family Planning & Reproductive Health Association 0 percent in 1999-2002.

1999-2000 Senator McCain supported the interests of the National Right to Life Committee 66 percent in 1999-2000.

1999 Senator McCain supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 0 percent in 1999.

1999 Senator McCain supported the interests of the National Right to Life Committee 60 percent in 1999.

1999 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Planned Parenthood 0 percent in 1999.

1998 Senator McCain supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 10 percent in 1998.

1997-1998 Senator McCain supported the interests of the National Right to Life Committee 80 percent in 1997-1998.

1997 Senator McCain supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 5 percent in 1997.

1997 Senator McCain supported the interests of the National Right to Life Committee 75 percent in 1997.

1996-2003 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Planned Parenthood 0 percent in 1996-2003.

1996 On the votes that the NARAL Pro-Choice America considered to be the most important in 1996 , Senator McCain voted their preferred position 0 percent of the time.

1996 On the votes that the National Right to Life Committee considered to be the most important in 1996, Senator McCain voted their preferred position 86 percent of the time.

1995-2004 On the votes that the National Family Planning & Reproductive Health Association considered to be the most important in 1995-2004, Senator McCain voted their preferred position 0 percent of the time.

1995-1998 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Planned Parenthood 0 percent in 1995-1998.

1993-1996 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Planned Parenthood 0 percent in 1993-1996.


Boy, that sure is some moderate record.... :eyes:

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

140. He's among the farthest right 10% in Congress.

Don't be fooled by the occasional shiny bauble.

Moderate my ass!

[IsItJustMe]

143. McCain is a moderate? Such garbage from a Hillary supporter, to be expected though, especially

after seeing the way your candidate has been conducting herself.

[texastoast]

48. We have two VERY GOOD candidates

The supporters need to engage in civil discourse.

[Cali_Democrat]

63. Ya, but their not displaying sickening racist views like the folks in this poll.

[stillcool]

14. It's a poll for God's sake...

Poll: Obama leads Clinton nationally
By The Associated Press
March 27, 2008

THE RACE: The presidential race for Democrats nationally
------

THE NUMBERS

Barack Obama, 49 percent

Hillary Rodham Clinton, 39 percent

------

OF INTEREST:

The two rivals' standings in the Pew Research Center poll have changed little from late February, the latest indication that so far Obama has weathered the controversy over provocative sermons by his longtime pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. While Obama has a mostly favorable image among white Democrats, those with unfavorable views about him are likelier to say equal rights for minorities have gone too far and to oppose interracial dating. Almost one in four white Democrats who view Obama unfavorably also think he is Muslim, when in fact he is Christian. Obama and Clinton both continue to hold slender leads nationally in matchups against the all-but-certain Republican candidate, John McCain.

------

The Pew poll was conducted March 19-22. It involved telephone interviews with 1,503 adults, including 618 Democratic and Democratic-leaning registered voters. The margin of sampling error was plus or minus 3 percentage points for all adults and 4.5 percentage points for Democratic voters.

[msongs]

7. nice spin - obama has supporters with those views as well - is that also just sickening? nt

[pocoloco]

9. Do you comprehend what you are saying??

LOL

[stillcool]

11. What spin? It's a Pew Poll...

Poll: Obama leads Clinton nationally By The Associated Press
March 27, 2008

THE RACE: The presidential race for Democrats nationally

------

THE NUMBERS

Barack Obama, 49 percent

Hillary Rodham Clinton, 39 percent

------

OF INTEREST:

The two rivals' standings in the Pew Research Center poll have changed little from late February, the latest indication that so far Obama has weathered the controversy over provocative sermons by his longtime pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. While Obama has a mostly favorable image among white Democrats, those with unfavorable views about him are likelier to say equal rights for minorities have gone too far and to oppose interracial dating. Almost one in four white Democrats who view Obama unfavorably also think he is Muslim, when in fact he is Christian. Obama and Clinton both continue to hold slender leads nationally in matchups against the all-but-certain Republican candidate, John McCain.

------

The Pew poll was conducted March 19-22. It involved telephone interviews with 1,503 adults, including 618 Democratic and Democratic-leaning registered voters. The margin of sampling error was plus or minus 3 percentage points for all adults and 4.5 percentage points for Democratic voters.

[patrice]

41. True. And recognition of that fact was the basis of what Obama said in his speech last week.

True of SOME, but not all, of his supporters.

Honest question: Is HC on the record on this issue?

[IsItJustMe]

144. True that. It is what it is.

[Devlzown]

10. I guess they shouldn't have thrown out all those

Jim Crow laws.:sarcasm: Those extra bathrooms and water fountains sure came in handy.

[Sparkly]

13. I think you garbled the cut/paste a bit. nt

[Cali_Democrat]

17. Nope

Thats an exact excerpt from the article.

[Sparkly]

21. Look again.

Original:
While Obama has a mostly favorable image among white Democrats, those with unfavorable views about him are likelier to say equal rights for minorities have gone too far and to oppose interracial dating. Almost one in four white Democrats who view Obama unfavorably also think he is Muslim, when in fact he is Christian.

Yours:
"While Obama has a mostly favorable image among white Democrats, those with unfavorable views about him are likelier to say equal rights for minorities have gone too far and to oppose interracial dating. Almost one in four white Democrats who view Obama unfavorably also think he is Muslim, when in Hillary supporters oppose interracial dating and think civil rights have gone too far fact he is Christian."

Delete the bolded part.

[Cali_Democrat]

your right. updated. nt

[Adelante]

36. No it's not

This is copied from your OP:

"While Obama has a mostly favorable image among white Democrats, those with unfavorable views about him are likelier to say equal rights for minorities have gone too far and to oppose interracial dating. Almost one in four white Democrats who view Obama unfavorably also think he is Muslim, when in Hillary supporters oppose interracial dating and think civil rights have gone too far fact he is Christian."

Below is copied from the article itself - as you can see, it contains no reference to "Hillary supporters oppose interracial dating and think civil rights have gone too far" - the part I have bolded above from your OP. In fact, the reference is to those polled who have "unfavorable views" of Obama.

While Obama has a mostly favorable image among white Democrats, those with unfavorable views about him are likelier to say equal rights for minorities have gone too far and to oppose interracial dating. Almost one in four white Democrats who view Obama unfavorably also think he is Muslim, when in fact he is Christian.

Edit: I see you have corrected it :hi:

[Cali_Democrat]

42. small copy and paste error. it happens.

[Adelante]

55. Actually, it doesn't nt

[navarth]

15. Attack, attack, attack, attack

just stop this shit PLEASE

you are helping McCain

I don't believe you are really an Obama supporter

if you are, you DAMN SURE ain't helping him with this kind of shit

just stop

PLEASE

[AX10]

19. I am a proud HRC supporter who may very well write her name in...

on my ballot in the fall.

I also believe in equal rights for all and that you are free to have a relationship with whom you chose.

[crankychatter]

79. Why not register Republican?

They'd be glad to have you

[murielm99]

120. Those of us who support Clinton do not have to

defend ourselves against charges of racism.

We can support her for political reasons. We can oppose Obama for political reasons.

This post was meant to to fan the fires that already exist here.

I read in another thread that Clinton supporters do no think AA voters are "real Democrats." I cannot recall any Clinton supporter ever saying any such thing.

None of this is necessary.

[IsItJustMe]

142. Hillary is promoting McCains experience. Bill is promoting McCains patriotism. Hell, why beat

around the bush about it, go for it.

[CitizenLeft]

27. wait a minute... these people EXIST... they live all around...

Cleveland. Come on. You doubt their existence? We can't afford to be this naive. This is the reality of states like Ohio and PA and IN - they are Reagan Democrats... have people really forgotten? I know these people. That is an accurate sampling of what they really think.

Come on.

[ampad]

43. Thank you

I love how people want to poo this away and I can understand to an extent because it is embarrassing. You got people on this board who have made racist comments and those same people call themselves Democrats. Bigots and racist are not exclusive to the Republican side. Folks can try to ignore the facts all they want but it will not make it go away.

[CitizenLeft]

53. you're welcome. Parma.

It's Reagan Democrat Central. It's even been called a "sundown town." I live within 30 minutes of Parma. The minds are closed. Not all, of course, by any means - many voted for Kerry - and not permanently, not even necessarily intentionally... but when their bigotry is stoked, it flames up, and that's what we're seeing, I'm sorry to say.

[patrice]

57. Some of what goes on on this board is pure Troll War, from both sides.

Of course, that doesn't mean that what is said doesn't spread; it's the internet afterall.

[patrice]

35. It's an interesting phenomenon. A learning situation for some who

don't consider discussion of what is going on to be an attack unless it is ascribed to personal negative characteristics of the candidate.

Lionel on AAR, for instance, has been staying pretty much 50:50, plus or minus a few percentage points here or there, but this stuff comes out anyway. I hope I'm not rationalizing my interest in it, but I've always been interested in how things, anything, works. In the future, I will try to be more considerate of your feelings when doing this.

[Chovexani]

16. Wow I had no idea I was supposed to be opposed to interracial dating

Guess I should dump my white girlfriend then.

[crankychatter]

80. You may be for HRC but you're funnier than hell and...

if it's true, I like ya

not like anyone's hanging out on the planet for MY holy approval

[Chovexani]

97. LOL, thanks

Gotta keep a sense of humor about stuff... :hug:

[crankychatter]

103. o gawud i just went to your link

I have tears in my fuckin eyes... thank you

this is a debate between gloria steinem and melissa harris-lacewell on Race and Gender in Presidential Politics.

Fantastic show... well worth watching

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/1/14/
race_and_gender_in_presidential_politics

I parsed it because full links don't come through for me

[patrice]

18. Vindictive blindness more important than the good of the country - Lionel caller revealed on AAR.

Lionel had quite a conversation with her and ended by describing the harm that McSame will cause so many people and the last thing the caller affirmed was that if her candidate, HC, isn't the nominee, then her personal hate of Obama is more important than the good of the country.

Although another caller established that for some of these voters they are practicing tough love on a situation that they feel needs correction for the good of everyone.

My personal opinion of "tough love" is that it, more often than not, is a fraud. A practitioner of same needs to be honest enough with themselves to recognize if it is real or not. All of us lie to ourselves frequently.

[OzarkDem]

23. Playing the race card will cost Dems the GE

Recent polls already show voters turning away from both Obama and Clinton to McCain because they don't want to hear all the crap about race. Voters want to know which candidate will create jobs, get out of Iraq and get affordable health care for all.

[Kittycat]

24. Some of them clearly post here.

I'm not going to risk getting in trouble to name their names - but I constantly butt heads with them.

[totodeinhere]

69. I think they are a tiny minority.

Most Clinton supporters are not racists.

[Catherina]

88. Trouble is the few who are have about a dozen sockpuppets. n/t

[BootinUp]

25. Then there are those in inter-racial relationships

or marriages who weren't polled apparently. :shrug:

[JuniperLea]

26. So starting this thread helps the situation how?

Ignore the stupidity.

[Arkansas Granny]

28. I followed the link you provided, but it doesn't take me to the remarks you quoted.

Here is what I saw:

The two rivals' standings in the Pew Research Center poll have changed little from late February, the latest indication that so far Obama has weathered the controversy over provocative sermons by his longtime pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. While Obama has a mostly favorable image among white Democrats, those with unfavorable views about him are likelier to say equal rights for minorities have gone too far and to oppose interracial dating. Almost one in four white Democrats who view Obama unfavorably also think he is Muslim, when in fact he is Christian. Obama and Clinton both continue to hold slender leads nationally in matchups against the all-but-certain Republican candidate, John McCain.

------

The Pew poll was conducted March 19-22. It involved telephone interviews with 1,503 adults, including 618 Democratic and Democratic-leaning registered voters. The margin of sampling error was plus or minus 3 percentage points for all adults and 4.5 percentage points for Democratic voters.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/03/27/poll_obama_leads_clinton_nationally/

Nowhere does it state "Hillary supporters oppose interracial dating and think civil rights have gone too far".

Can you clarify where that remark came from?

[Cali_Democrat]

29. I updated the quote.

[Arkansas Granny]

32. Since they polled 1,503 people, 618 of the Dems or Dem-leaning, is it possible

that those who disapproved of interracial dating and thought civil rights had gone too far might not have been Democrats at all?

[Cali_Democrat]

37. According to the poll...

"While Obama has a mostly favorable image among white Democrats, those with unfavorable views about him are likelier to say equal rights for minorities have gone too far and to oppose interracial dating."

That's pretty damning IMO. Unfortunately, Those are Democrats with those views.

[NastyRiffraff]

50. They may be Dems...who knows?

They may call themselves Dems. But there's nothing in there about Hillary supporters. Nada. I looked in vain to see what the hell you were talking about. Yes, I know you corrected it. Funny how a completely unrelated entire phrase slipped itself into a copy & paste.

[Cali_Democrat]

70. Democrats who oppose Obama. Of course they are Hillary supporters. nt

[NastyRiffraff]

93. Really? You know that for sure, from that article?

There's nothing in that article that identifies that group as Hillary's supporters. It's unclear whether or not they're even Democrats. Regardless, it's a classic fallacy to maintain that just because a group opposes one candidate, they must support another candidate. Look around in DU if you think that's ridiculous. I can name about five just off the top of my head who can't stand Obama but don't necessarily support Hillary.

[Cali_Democrat]

116. yep.

[leftynyc]

146. You couldn't be more wrong

I don't give support to either Hillary or Sen Obama - I think both are incredibly weak candidates but since they're both head and shoulders above mccain, I will vote for either one in November. Things aren't as cut and dried as you want them to be.

[UALRBSofL]

73. Arkansas Granny, I noticed the quote skipped a sentence then goes on with the next sentence.

This was a deliberate attempt to discredit Hillary. What a troll. This racial shit isn't helping one bit.

[QC]

30. Having to recycle your own flamebait now? Sad.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=5285774

[Cali_Democrat]

31. You've got a problem with the facts in my post?

[Skip Intro]

39. The rev wright is laughing his ass off at you. mcclurkin is probably having a chuckle too.

playing to people's worst fears

you guys are rich

[Zynx]

40. I have stopped backing Clinton and I still maintain the charge that she was race baiting is garbage.

It doesn't make sense from the standpoint of political calculus, and I've outlined this before.

[apocalypsehow]

44. At least with this OP the HRC boosters can't complain that you somehow are casting aspersions on

Grandma and Cousin Lunchbucket. That other OP brought out some really vile commentary from folks who should know better, and a serial liar/stalker obsessed with my posts to boot.

[Middle finga]

52. let's purge the party, send those asshole over to the republican

party where they belong.

[Tatiana]

56. Understandable when you read posts like this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5289500

[apocalypsehow]

59. Wow - just wow. I can't believe that OP was posted on DU. Someone really doesn't get it.

:shrug:

[Tatiana]

68. It's sad... and very real. We have to deal with people like this in a constructive way. n/t

[HughMoran]

58. As Faux News would say "Some say" this is true

This is utterly disgusting - this is the kind of material I expect from Republican trolls.

:(

[elixir]

62. I love how you can always find the lowest common denominator.

[Cali_Democrat]

64. I know

isn't it sickening how some Hillary supporters oppose interracial dating and think the civil right movement has gone too far.

[Name removed]

66. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Cali_Democrat]

74. The poll is inaccurate?

:shrug:

[crankychatter]

83. Only polls that favor MY candidate are unbiased

you should delete this immediately

[NJSecularist]

71. It's pretty sad that is the type of demographic Hillary is building her base upon. n/t

[Cali_Democrat]

72. The sad thing about it is that the Hillary campaign knows it

These are the folks they've been appealing to in their race baiting campaign.

[woolldog]

95. here is the link to the data you're looking for cali democrat:

http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?PageID=1281

Differences on these social and political attitudes are correlated with opinions about Obama among white Democratic voters, but they are not significantly associated with opinions about Clinton. Democrats with more liberal views on interracial dating, the country's pursuit of equal rights, and even the question of whether men make better leaders, hold a more favorable opinion of Obama than do Democrats with conservative views on these questions.

By contrast, most of these values are only weakly related to favorability ratings of Clinton. Taken together, they give little indication of a Democratic voter's impression of Clinton.

[crankychatter]

76. They can follow Strom Thurmond to the GOP

nothing would be better for the Democratic Party

[Thrill]

77. My guess is this is the reason Hillary supporters are less educated

[cbayer]

81. Do you think you could distort that report just a little bit more? nt.

[NJSecularist]

82. Distorting the truth? He told the truth. n/t

[Cali_Democrat]

84. Sorry to bother you with facts

I refuse to stick my head in the sand like an ostrich.

[StevieM]

87. It was Obama who injected race into the campaign. And it is Obama who has run a hateful campaign

of personal destruction. Hillary has tried to keep it about the issues, but Obama would have none of that--he knew he could never win if it came down to that.

Steve

[SunsetDreams]

89. I have to ask something...

As an Obama supporter, I am having trouble understanding this post.

What is the purpose of posting this? These are views by some Hillary supporters, whom we cannot even have a conversation with to come to a greater understanding of each other.

Believe me, this is offensive no doubt, I have a bi-racial daughter. However, posting this here, when as far as I know, none of the Hillary supporters posting here, had anything to do with the article.

It could be highly offensive to them and make it appear that yet again they are being accused of something they have no control over.

IMO this post just fans the flames, because both sides get defensive, because it is offensive for different reasons.

[woolldog]

96. this was valid research conducted by Pew Research

Why should the OP have to tiptoe around it?

Read the entire report here: http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?PageID=1276

[Catherina]

107. It's really offensive. I hate seeing it too but, well, see this thread

Next time you see a racist post here, remember this:The AA vote is at risk

It's not a Hillary bashing thread or a pro-Obama thread. The Republicans are going after the Black vote in 2008. The racist label they're trying to pin on us is for strategic reasons. Wright hates Whites and Hillary hates Blacks. I'm seeing a picture emerge that's leaving me very uncomfortable. They're going to go after the AA vote hard. Mehlman announced that was their strategy a few years ago :(

[surfermaw]

90. Cali, being racist is going to loose for Obama

[woolldog]

98. do you hold Obama responsible for Cali_democrats actions?

[Cali_Democrat]

106. I guess I am responsible

LOLZ

:rofl:

[bridgit]

94. The part I find peculiar regarding such OP's, is that the PC of DU allows such tripe to be posted...

without allowing any counterpoint to it...it just stands as tripe. To offer a counterpoint is to invite the screeching of race baited tongues. From posters I am gathering the sense all the more it is; they are merely pretending to Liberal/Progressive Themes. As they serve to unite nothing, and no one. Only divide, and disrupt.

[Emillereid]

99. These people are democrats?

[bridgit]

110. No, there weren't enough democrats in the sample to warrant a dem response, here from the OP...

'The Pew poll was conducted March 19-22. It involved telephone interviews with 1,503 adults, including 618 Democratic and Democratic-leaning registered voters.'

With a sample of 1,503, minus the "includ(ed) 618 Democratic and Democratic-leaning registered voters", splitting this "Democratic-leaning" component of the sample in half, which is fair...that leaves a thudding sample of 1,194 respondents that weren't even straight-up Democrats.

This poll is seriously flawed, as such, race baited gibberish. But it doesn't surprise me that so many here at DU are taking as gospel.

Too many pollsters lend their database to whomever is paying the their services. That is not to cast aspersion upon the polling firm, or the data collected. But it is to suggest that clients often walk in with their sample, and in many cases, their preferred results already in hand.

It's all in the LOQ, opening/closing modules, skip patterns, response options; and the polling firm lends their otherwise good offices. Pew Research included, Zogby included, etc...

[Swamp Rat]

100. Oh well... now for something completely different:

[lumberjack_jeff]

101. Haven't you used your three flamebait..... I mean posts for the day yet?

There's no place for sexism either, but we have posters who complain that HRC's constituency is racists, blue collar folks and old women.

I wonder what kind of jackass would say something like that?

Oh! I know.

It'll be nice when you can channel some of that hate toward McCain.

[Cali_Democrat]

104. Facts are flamebait?

Color me UNIMPRESSED.

[bridgit]

114. hahahahaha, you're comical; 'a' FACT is that many people believe in Jesus...

When the truth is that we may all be waiting for Godot...my guess is that you laugh at your own jokes while sitting on the toilet :spray:

[Cali_Democrat]

115. Huh?

What the hell are you talking about? I have no idea. Please Clarify.

[bridgit]

117. Not a problem...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5289051&mesg_id=5291467

[niceypoo]

135. Polls aren't facts...

[TexanDem]

102. Totally not surprising! Hypocrits at their best ... lol

[goclark]

105. Hillary is a Republican ~ recall she is a Goldwater Girl

:crazy:

[leftynyc]

149. Using that logic

Ronald Reagan was a democrat.

[question everything]

109. You guess wrong, and this is as a racist post as others that you point to

Yes, there are many racists people in this country. This is news? How dare you say that we, Hillary supporters are racist? Because we do not swallow a blank slate candidate just because he is black?

Because we are so certain of where we stand that we are not afraid to challenge him, as opposed to the MSNBC crowd that tiptoes around him for fear of being called racist?

Shame on you.

You have run out of attacks on Clinton and on her supporters so now you call us racist.

This alone, is enough to kick all of you from the Democratic party.

Go ahead, stay home, vote for McCain, join your Independent and Republican trolls who voted for Obama in the caucuses. We, the real Democrats, will stick with Clinton.

[Cali_Democrat]

113. I am in no way saying most Hillary supporters are racist

Actually, according to polls, the majority of them are not! But theres a good amount of HRC supporters that are racist. They have no place within the democratic party IMO. They oppose civil rights and interracial dating. This poll is damning. I'm simply point out these facts. Don't be an ostrich with your head in the sand.

[question everything]

160. And there are many Obama supporters who hate the Clintons with a passion

It does not matter that Bill was the first Democrat to be re-elected since FDR; it does not matter that Bill left office with the highest approval rating since such a measure has been taken. No, you guys will go after a Reagan adoring candidate who - and his wife - are trashing the oldest baby boomers and the 90s, even though it was a period of economic expansion for all income levels.

And, of course, there are all those high income supporters who are so smug and so in love with themselves that here they support a black candidate. Aren't they adorable?

Yes, there are many racist voters and there are misogynist voters, and simple hateful voters. And to select only the ones who support Hillary, with no proof, and to post on DU, of all places, just show how the Obama crowd has lost all sense of proportion.

[cooolandrew]

112. Omg,even after all the Wright stuff.Clearly they know the truth and are using anything. Too sad.

[VotesForWomen]

118. and clearly O-folks think civil rights have gone too far for women and gays. nt

[Cali_Democrat]

119. are you kidding?

not nearly far enough!!!

[yardwork]

159. When you start calling Hillary a racist because some of her supporters are racist

you raise the issue of Obama's supporters being homophobic. Do you really want to go down that road?

[McCamy Taylor]

121. I can tell you w/o a poll a bunch of Obama supporters think gays will burn in hell

and so will people who have abortions. That does not mean that Obama thinks that way.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

127. They Sure Don't Want Them To Have Equal Rights

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=20f41f94-d412-4b19-8655-b1412e053db9

I wonder if they would favor separate drinking fountains for gays. I did talk to one guy who said they should have separate showers lest a gay many check out his junk...

[McCamy Taylor]

122. Bunch o' McCain supporters help lil ol ladies cross the road---but McCain still sucks.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

126. Well, Well, Well

What candidate's base is most hostile to equal rights for our gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgendered brothers and sisters?


Drum roll

...

...

...

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=20f41f94-d412-4b19-8655-b1412e053db9


What's my point?

Unfortunately, hatred for the other poisons all of us...The only difference is the target...


Cheers

[WinkyDink]

128. This is THE STUPIDEST POST ever on DU. First of all, "opposing Obama" COULD mean "pro-Richardson"

(remember him? Former candidate?). Secondly, it could mean "pro-McCain". In FACT, "registered Democrats" could actually include some of those newly-"switched" Republicans.

The poll is what it is. But YOUR INTERPRETATION happens to be YOURS.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

129. I Was Thinking Of Making My Post An Original Topic But I Don't Want To Blow Up The Board

It reminds me of the Biblical quote, "Why do you see the speck in your neighbor's eye, but do not notice the log in your own eye?"

[HughMoran]

132. It's worse than stupid, it's inflammatory

There is no need for shit like this on DU.

[cooolandrew]

133. LET THIS POST SINK. Not good tor the debate or party.

[HughMoran]

171. Agreed

Wouldn't it be better if people didn't post Republican talking point bullshit like this in the first place?

[cooolandrew]

134. LET THIS POST SINK. Not good tor the debate or party.

[niceypoo]

136. More poisoning the well......

...and drive more democrats away from Obama by smearing them

Unity is a lie

[DemocratSinceBirth]

138. Anybody Can Maniplate The Data To Make One Group Or Candidate Look Prejudiced

See #126...

I had the good grace not to start a thread about it...

[ElsewheresDaughter]

145. your title shows your inmaturity and is a lie only 618 of 1,512 of those surveyed were Dems

[Asgaya Dihi]

148. Where are you getting that?

I'm not sure how we'd get 4.5 anyones, dems or anyone else, but that aside where are you seeing that? What I see is a margin of error of 3% overall and 4.5% for the democratic results, but nothing at all about 4.5 dems ;)

What happened to the other half of that dem?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

152. fixed it....It involved telephone interviews with 1,503 adults only 612 of them who claimedwere Dems

that makes your title wrong...please fix it

if you don't that proves your just full of vileness

I hope you don't choke to death on your hatred

[Asgaya Dihi]

155. Are you for real?

How about I'm not sure your title is accurate and I'm not going to cover for your mistake so you can attack a point which just might be valid? I was in a thread recently where Herman Munster, a Hillary supporter, pretty openly talked about the very subject. Race is an issue and how people feel about it can change votes, both sides are aware of it and trying to stay in a good position. But you don't want to hear it from me, so read it from Herman.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5217627&mesg_id=5217700

And a note for future reference. Preemptively insulting someone in the same breath as you ask them to do something for you probably isn't the best way to actually get that thing done. I've got no hatred, for you or anyone else, and certainly not enough to preemptively insult and attack people I don't know for something I only assume they'll do. And certainly not over matters of opinion rather than harm. You might want to consider your own choking hazards, ok?

Peace.

[quantass]

150. That explains why they stick to Hillary -- i couldnt figure out why until now...thanks for the info

[DemocratSinceBirth]

154. Is That Why Obama's Base Opposes Civil Rights For Gays?

See post 126

[ElsewheresDaughter]

153. another Obama race card player....or are you just a racist yourself?

[SammyWinstonJack]

164. Just another Obama shit stirrer, I suspect.

[OzarkDem]

156. Only GOP supporters would think this

[wowimthere]

157. Older voters may think this way but younger voters are different

Clinton's voters tend to be older and perhaps still set in their ways. Obama voters represent a new generation, a generation that ushers in tolerance. I'm glad that glad bag mentality of racism and sexism and clueless ignorance is dying out. we need what is fresh and this is what I believe Clinton supporters don't get. No one wants to relive the politics of the past when we should be looking toward the future. They way the Clintons play politics... old... outdated. When Obama is president it means we've turned the page completely. I feel the unity in the air.

[PVnRT]

158. Uh....if they hate interracial marriage

they ain't voting Democrat in November. Period.

[SammyWinstonJack]

161. Proud of yourself with this?

:eyes:

[knight_of_the_star]

162. EPIC FAIL!!!

[anonymous171]

163. The Dixiecrats are back!

[Bluebear]

165. Holy trolly!

[DrFunkenstein]

168. They Probably Don't Like Donnie McClurkin, Either

Just thought I'd add that for ya.

[Jack Sprat]

170. Of course there is room for racism.

I don't care if the head of Nazi Klans of America wants to be a Democrat. If they are eligible to vote and they vote for Democrats, then they are more than welcome.

[JVS]

172. What if they voted for LBJ?

Isn't that enough?

[cooolandrew]

173. LET IT SINK this is a thread tobreak unity.

[bridgit]

174. kick for ignorance & disruption...lest you forget what it looks like...

:thumbsdown: