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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 11:34 AM
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Hillary hypes McCain, insults Obama supporters?

Report: Hillary Won't Quit Race

By Greg Sargent - March 28, 2008, 11:00AM
Time magazine has an interesting look at precisely what Hillary is thinking right now, as she ponders the very difficult decision as to whether to continue the race in the face of very daunting odds:

Clinton is well aware of the long odds she faces in the battle against Barack Obama for delegates. She knows that as the Democratic National Convention gets closer, the increasingly bitter back and forth between the two campaigns hurts Obama's chances of winning a general election and reinforces the image of the Clintons as a power-hungry couple who will do anything to win, even if they damage the Democratic Party.

But for the Clintons, quitting isn't an option...When Clinton closes her eyes, she sees John McCain triumphing in November against Obama in a contest she believes she would win. Like all competitive candidates, Clinton is certain she would be a better leader than her rivals, and she feels an obligation to her supporters to fight on.

Clinton believes Obama's support is largely a mirage -- a bunch of true believers whose passion might help him cinch the nomination, but that may prove an insufficient bedrock for winning a general election when the spell might be broken by tough questions about national-security credentials, economic-policy plans and rich experience. She can't stop from shaking her head in disbelief when longtime friends who are elected officials inform her that they are going to endorse Obama and were chiefly convinced by their children's enthusiasm for his candidacy...

According to those close to her, she is hoping that as spring becomes summer, the potential for finding another skeleton or two in Obama's closet will prove him ultimately unelectable in the fall...

Said a confidant who has talked to her regularly throughout the campaign: "This woman never quits. Neither she nor her husband." So don't expect this race to end anytime soon.


In other words, "saddle up."

(emphasis added)

:wtf:

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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 11:35 AM
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1. You go, Hillary!
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Bigleaf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 11:37 AM
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3. Exactly. Get lost Hillary!
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 12:45 PM
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16. :-) Yes - Go Hill! - like Obama supporters never insult/smear Hillary - saying fiction is truth?
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 11:36 AM
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2. don't quit Hill, your supporters with you all the way.
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Bigleaf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 11:39 AM
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4. He's the one with 2 million donors. She's broke. Give me some of what you're smoking, Hill.
:crazy:
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 11:40 AM
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5. They already found another skeleton in Obama's closet. Wright insulted Italians!!!
Oops, Thats a skeleton in Wright's closet and he's not running for President. Damn it!!!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 11:43 AM
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6. Her hubris sounds so familiar...now, who does that sound like?
:think:
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 12:15 PM
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13. "So?"
:rofl:
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 12:18 PM
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15. They volunteered...
:evilgrin:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 02:10 PM
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21. Yep, that's one of two I was thinking of.
The other guy, the one who never makes mistakes? Him, too.
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4themind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 11:44 AM
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7. That's ok, we will SHOW her the power
*cues "captain planet" theme*
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Pewlett Hackard Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 11:45 AM
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8. correct
Hillary must not, will not quit. This Obama fad is not going to get a Democrat in the Whitehouse.
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 11:47 AM
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9. Mark Halperin sucks tbh. It doesn't seem like she said any of this, he just is assuming it.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 01:17 PM
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17. No, Hillary is delusional
The article added, “When Clinton closes her eyes, she sees John McCain triumphing in November against Obama in a contest she believes she would win.”

This isn’t especially surprising.

First, it helps explain Clinton’s motivation facing hurdles she likely can’t clear. The assumption in some circles has been malicious motives — Jonathan Chait argued this week that Clinton is “acting as if she doesn’t care about the Democratic Party’s interests at all, except insofar as they coincide with her own.”

But the Clinton perspective reflected in the Time article is in line with what I suggested the other day. Clinton really believes Obama would lose, so in order to protect the party’s interests, she has to keep fighting. (I happen to think Clinton is mistaken in this assumption, but I don’t doubt her sincerity on the point.) In this sense, as far as Clinton is concerned, her interests and the party’s interests are one and the same.

Which leads me to the second point: every presidential candidate in a tough primary closes his or her eyes, sees the other side winning, and feels the need to fight on for the good of the party and the country. This isn’t unusual; it’s the norm. The difference is, we don’t usually have a one-on-one contest that will remain technically unsettled by the time all the primaries and caucuses are over.

Indeed, it’s the inevitable byproduct of a campaign bubble. Clinton believes she has to stay in for the good of the party, she’s surrounded by aides who believe the same thing, and she goes to rallies surrounded by supporters who offer responses like this one:

Before presenting her economic plan at a rally (in Mishawaka, Ind.) today, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton opened with a piece of political commentary: “There are some people who are saying, you know, we really ought to end this primary, we just ought to shut it down.”

“No!” boomed the crowd, which filled every seat in a cavernous high school gymnasium.

The next question, though, is figuring out just how much say Clinton will have in the matter. She told her supporters that there are “some people” who want to end the process. She’s right; there are. But if “some people” becomes “most of the party,” and the floodgates really do burst, what Clinton imagines when she “closes her eyes” won’t make any difference.

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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 10:06 PM
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24. If Obama's supporters are so flakey...
then why does she keep losing caucuses? Seems like she's losing the contests where people actually have to stand up and defend their candidate.
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 11:50 AM
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10. She's Creating What She Fears
Hillary Clinton may well be creating the situation she claims she fears.

She is spending the primary trying to create an identity for Obama as one who is not ready for the Presidency and then saying she thinks he is unelectable because of his lack of readiness. Perhaps Hillary Clinton is unelectable because of her baggage from Bill Clinton's presidency, but you don't see Barack Obama bringing up such things.

Of all people, she should know that if an opponent keeps digging they will find something to support a hypothesis and can do irreparable harm to a reputation.

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stratomagi Donating Member (811 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 11:51 AM
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11. Clinton Camp: Our analysis shows that we're assholes.
Send money.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 12:01 PM
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12. Hillary also said do not vote for McCain. n/t
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 12:17 PM
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14. Don't think about a pink elephant.
:eyes:
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 01:21 PM
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18. She is truly a moron if she thinks taking it to the convention and then fighting to seat MI and FL w
ill help the Democratic party. What bullshit. She is in this for herself and herself alone.
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Firespirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 01:26 PM
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19. I thought when she closed her eyes, she saw sniper fire
An entire party held hostage to one person's delusions.
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 09:34 PM
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23. To rephrase your comment, "An entire COUNTRY held hostage to one person's delusions."
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 01:28 PM
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20. is she still searching for those skeletons?
doesn't she have a campaign to attend to, some funds to raise?

unbelievable *shakeshead*

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 08:46 PM
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22. She might find tham if she looked in hers or Bill's closet.
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