The chorus is getting ready to sing.

[Raven]

The Senator from Vermont has started it off. People are tired of this and want to get on to the business of defeating McCain. Contributions are drying up because people won't bet their hard earned dollars on a loser. Senator Clinton is a tireless campaigner, an accomplished individual who will have much to give to this country going forward but not as President of the United States. I firmly believe that she knows what's at stake if we lose this election in November and, as hard as it is for someone so driven and competitive (meant in a good way), she knows it is time to give it up. There is no question in my mind that this message has been given to her and I have every confidence that she has gotten it and will be an asset to the Democratic Nominee going into November.

[Whisp]

1. I hear the warm ups and the humming.

I think you are right.

certainly Hope so.

[SoFlaJet]

2. I'm tellin' you Raven I'm convinced that

it's Bill...he is the one who thinks he's still running for president-she should have dumped him long ago. She can do our party a lot of good still in the senate-she'd be better than Reid as majority leader, but she needs to stop this madness after Pennsy if she only wins a couple of delegates more than Obama

[Whisp]

McCain would certainly be a better gatekeeper for all the

years of reciprocal backscratching and protecting each others crimes during the bush/clinton/bush years.

I think that's why they are desperate, they cannot allow a 'stranger' like Obama in the file cabinets, and yes, they will do anything to keep their secrets safe.

[SoFlaJet]

9. man I truly hope you're wrong

I don't wish any ill towards the Clinton's if they would only stop trying to hurt the party's chances with their endorsing and praising of McCain

[Whisp]

10. not a pleasant thought but that's the only thing I can come up with

to explain all these oddities.

and now that it is pretty well confirmed that the Clintons are not shy about the lie, I'm now thinking maybe there is something to some of the gossip about them from way back. Doubt very much they suddenly learned how to lie, more likely it is part of their pattern and character.

[SoFlaJet]

14. yea but Whisp

if there was anything that could have been found out you KNOW the Bush a-hole brigade would have marched it right out-hell, these were the people who even accused the Clintons of stealing the W's off all the computers in the WH

[Whisp]

16. got to have a sense of division, of your side against my side

to have the game play the way they want it.
maybe part of it was just a dog and pony show for us rabble. How can your base get charged up without an evil opposition and be distracted by non-stories like the Wright one while not talking seriously about what really ails us all.

could partially explain why Hillary is so schmoozy with some people who have been so cruel to Chelsea (McCain) and now kissy face with this Scaiffe rat. Doesn't fit. These things that were said and done are just not forgivable - especially against your daughter?

[Raven]

15. Whisp, these people are politicians and we all should face the fact

that they are different than the rest of us. They are driven, willing to put up with terrible invasions of their privacy, awful hours, terrible food, synchophants, just to be elected to fill the worst, most stressful, most thankless job in the world. I'm not convinced they're trying to hide anything...I think they just want this thing.

[Whisp]

19. obviously they aren't working as hard as some think

otherwise we wouldn't be in such messes.
I think it's more a powertrip thing than a thankless job for the people, and fancy galas and perks like that. influence, insider trading,. etc.

not all of course, but enough to have made the core pretty rotten in the apple.

[Raven]

20. All the galas and perks in the world wouldn't get me to do half

the things these candidates have to do. Not worth it, but, that's me and I would make a terrible politician!

[Whisp]

21. not a job I would want either. Ugh, I would Hate it.

but some people do have a true calling for it and are just made from the factory for that kind of work, I think Obama is one of these. One of the real ones.

[Raven]

22. I think you have to be incredibly grounded to do this. I met Michelle

Obama last spring and was impressed at how unaffected she was by the adulation her husband was getting. She was heading back to Chicago with her girls because she had a PTA meeting the next morning. I was impressed by that and now wonder, these many months later, if she still has that grounding.

[havocmom]

13. Between Bill's ego and habits of loving the race, there is the $5 mil loan to the campaign

Is it possible Hillary wants to stay in long enough to raise the funds to pay herself back for the loan she made the campaign? Gonna be hard to do with all the donors she has already maxed out and her behavior (and Bill's) not making new friends for the campaign.

They need to face facts: No chance of the nomination and slim chance of re-cooping the money. The money can always be re-made, but only if we get a DEM in the WH and stop the economic disaster we are dealing with now.

Bill, if your DUing: It's the economy, stupid! NOBODY gets back what has been lost until we fix the economy and Hillary does not stand a chance of getting in to do that. Let Obama start focusing on McCain and then we can ALL get to work on the economy!

[superkia]

18. The elite are afraid that if Obama is the nominee, he will win the GE!

Clinton and McCain are acceptable candidates for the elites agendas but Obama has actually been waking Americans up and getting them involved. He also wants to continue that and keep people involved and that is bad news for the elite!

[tularetom]

3. She can't be so dense not to understand what's going on

I don't think she'll be able to convince the dum dum egomaniac that she sleeps with.

He would take this as a personal rejection of him and that would never be acceptable.

I don't think that jerk would have any qualms about sacrificing the party for hillary's (actually his) ambitions.

To bill clinton, everything is always about him.

[Raven]

8. That may be a dynamic in this and, if it is, I feel nothing but

sympathy and compassion for her. After all, this is the guy she lives with...the guy everyone thinks is the most brilliant politician of our time. He's also the father of her kid and the person she has spent her life with. The pressure must be enormous. If she is able to withstand all of this and do the right thing, my respect for her will return.

[charlie and algernon]

4. Now Casey in PA is in it

just endorsed Barack. A Casey endorsement is as big, if not bigger than a Rendell Endorsement, especially among Catholics there.

Edit to add: it will help him hugely in Pittsburg too

[KittyWampus]

5. She doesn't know it's time to give up. IMO, she's emotionally ill. Someone needs to force her

to face reality.

[Raven]

12. I don't think she is much different from anyone else who runs

for high political office. I've always thought you had to be a little crazy to do it. She wants this badly, she wants it for women, she thinks she would be the best for this country. I don't fault her for any of that. I think people are probably talking to her now, gently, it's almost feeling like a wake.

[mopinko]

17. money=reality

i think that she understands THAT reality.

[Cha]

24. She has all the signs of it and it's been a pattern for

a long long time..not just this campaign season. We're on the same page, cryingshame.

[susankh4]

6. Yes, but what about the fat lady?

Bwahahahaaaa........

[Shakespeare]

7. I think I hear her clearing her throat.

The more I think about Leahy's comments today, the more I think we're seeing the beginning of the end of the Clinton campaign.

[susankh4]

11. Ok, but don't hold your breath.

:popcorn:

[Robyn66]

23. You are absolutely right!

Amen to that!
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