"LEAVE... REVEREND WRIGHT... ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!" You GOONS!

[wowimthere]

This man has been mis-characterized by the media, the right wing smear merchants and politicians who have no doubt used racially divisive language as well, in that "private hour" off the air. You have managed to rip away 30 years of community service with 30 seconds of soundbites and you never stuttered. You judged the entirety of this man's career for two weeks to bring down Obama.

MSNBC, CNN, FAUX, it is you who so vainly points out that stick in Wright's eye who needs to take that log out of your own. It is you, who need to get your s*#t together! You are here to give us the NEWS. I don't care about Wright or Tuzla! Stop your spin and do your job. Americans want to hear about these candidates proposals on fixing the mess in Iraq, and Health care and the Economy, not Wright or Tuzla. MSNBC shamelessly interrupted Obama's economic speech, a speech I think most people wanted to see to give us more WRIGHT GARBAGE that no one gives a flying F*%k about. I'm sick of this!

MSNBC... CNN... FAUX... How dare you sit in judgment of Obama and this preacher as if you are holier than thou. Like tv goons you sit up on your high horse, mapping out the spin on Wright for the next couple of weeks and you expect everyone to buy your bullshit. Look at you, fawning all over the upheaval in the Democratic primaries while you give McCain and Hagee and Parsely and Dobson and Falwell a free pass.

WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?

You, pointing your high minded finger at Wright so you can throw darts at Obama. It's not working, TV Goons!!! Everyone can see your lopsided coverage, your two cent spin.

You think Pat Buchanan hasn't gone to a Hate rally or Two? Ya think those Faux bums haven't yucked it up on the immigration issue? How about Scarborough? If Chris Matthews knew one of these characters had made a racially derogatory statement, should he throw them under the bus? You think Maddow would tell her bosses at MSNBC that she won't sit next to Pat or Joe because of their racial slurs? It would never happen. And yet all of them have the gall to judge this situation fairly. REALLY?

If I had one chance to ask every host and co-host on MSNBC and CNN and FAUX questions that would make their heads spin it would be, "Have you ever uttered a racially derogatory slur... ever? Have you ever known one of your co-hosts to use racially divisive language and ignored it. If you have, why do you continue to host the show with them? They would look like puppets with their mouths silly-glued shut. And yet they're asking us to believe that Obama lacks good judgment for continuing his religious relationship with WRight? On the face of it this seems Ignorant. It's an imbecile's wet dream, to have this race discussion with people are not being honest with the American people. I don't know a single person who hasn't heard family members, co-workers, friends, pastors say something that would make them cringe. Some people gleefully join in the racial back and forths as if it's a favorite pastime. Cable news has become one great big Hypocrite party.

ALL of you Media Martians and Smart talking Politicos living and slogging around in the politics of the past, acting as though your tricks of spin will work this time, asking us to believe that all whites will condemn Obama for words his pastor used keep dreaming. for those of you who never point that judgmental finger back at yourselves, you've been REJECTED.

For those of you using Spin over substance, you're not SPINNING ANYONE BUT YOURSELVES. You look like FOOLS. You have become what is called a crack pot laughing stock. NO one believes the bullshit you're desperately trying to heep onto the American people. People are rejecting your nonsensical-stitched-together rants against Obama, and against Wright.

And what's worse those polls you like kissing up to every now and again, when it suits you say your spin has been REJECTED!

[leftofcool]

1. But they will keep replaying it 24/7

[EFerrari]

27. The Thugs always find something to replay 24/7.

It's not about the "issue" but about the tactic.

[DUyellow]

55. Check out the video here.... 5 min before and 5 min after what is played on tv.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4xefkz0aOfk

[Megahurtz]

2. LOL!

Tell it like it is! :thumbsup:

[burythehatchet]

3. Amen. I've been looking for the Rev's sermons online. He speaks the truth.

[The Night Owl]

5. You think Pastor Wright is speaking the truth when he says that liberalism offers empty promises?

http://www.tucc.org/pdf/rey_5-2006.pdf

Our hope is not built on faith-based dollars, empty liberal
promises or veiled hate-filled preachments of the so-called
conservatives. Our hope is built on Him who came in the
flesh to set us free.

Oops!

Hey, don't forget to miss the TUCC Style Gay Bashing Prayer Breakfast...

http://www.tucc.org/upload/tuccbulletin_mar11.pdf

Prayer Breakfast
March 31, 2007 • 8:00 a.m. – 12:00 p.m.
Monument of Faith Church • 2750 West Columbus Ave. • Chicago, Illinois
Guest Speaker: Rev. Sean McMillan, Pastor, Giant Steps Church

Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Fornicators,
idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, sodomites, 10thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbers—none of
these will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And this is what some of you used to be. But you were washed, you
were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God. —1 Corinthians 6-9–11

Nothing goes better with breakfast than telling people that they're going to Hell!

:eyes:

[Abacus]

8. You've misrepresented your quote. /nt

[wowimthere]

9. He preaches from the bible... Read it if you dare

He's not the first to do this and he won't be the last. Still, there is separation of church and state for this very reason. Religion should not be a litmus test for the highest office in the land.

[The Night Owl]

10. Christians are not required to embrace every part of the Bible. The fact that TUCC embraces...

...the part of the Bible which declares that homosexuals are going to Hell says a lot about TUCC.

[Yes We Did]

16. Wright has recanted those beliefs over and over again.

And he did it long before Obama was running for president.

[The Night Owl]

35. The fact that Pastor Wright welcomes gay members into the TUCC congregation...

...does not change the fact that he condemns homosexuality and believes that homosexuals are destined for Hell if they do not repent their homosexuality.

[Laughing Mirror]

59. That's a big big fucking lie

you won't get away with. Don't try to impose your insane beliefs on him.

[Seeker30]

12. Where in the bible does it say the white man created aids?

[The Night Owl]

13. It's in the Bible! Or so says one crazed religious zealot.

[Yes We Did]

26. Still waiting for your reply to my post above...

Although I know it's hard to respond when you have been proven wrong.

[The Night Owl]

37. Stop spamming and see post #35. {EOM}

[Yes We Did]

48. Wright does not condemn homosexuals... how many times do I have to tell you that?

He has REPEATEDLY recanted his prior stance on that.

AND Wright is NOT Obama.

Obama has never had those views, so stop linking the two together on that. What's next? Are you gonna bring up McClurking for the 1000th time?

Get over it.

You weren't going to vote for Obama in the first place, and this is just a way for you to find something to fit into that "something you just don't like about Obama" that you just can't put your finger on.

You people all make me ill. Gotta find something so you won't be revealed as the racists you really are.

OH, and those are MY words, not Obama's. He doesn't pay his supporters to come on sites like this and spout talking points... That's "your girl"

[The Night Owl]

49. The TUCC bulletin calling gays "sodomites" which are going to Hell is from 2007.

Feel free to point me to any information indicating that Pastor Wright has embraced homosexuality.

[Yes We Did]

50. You know what...?

And Obama runs the church? Look at his statements on The View. It's in the Video Forum. He spells it out clearly.

Look I've heard some strange things in church too. I've seen some strange things in the bible. Does that mean I throw the whole bible away? No. I take what I can use and discard what doesn't make sense. We all do it.

ARe you an atheist? Almost every religion out there condemns gays and lesbian. You could go to just about any church and it would be the same way. What about Clinton's religion? How does the Fellowship look at it?

I hope you won't be surprised when you find out the answer.

[Laughing Mirror]

60. Here ya go, this is just one out of hundreds

In one of his sermons of the early 1990s, titled, “Good News for Homosexuals,” Wright told of how he believes God does not limit his love to heterosexuals.

“I refuse to limit my God, to lock God into my cultural understandings because culture is fickle,” Wright said. “And culture is often wrong. Culture was wrong about slavery. Culture was wrong about women. Culture was wrong about Africans and Indians, and culture was wrong about Christ,” he said. “I have been the pariah among many of my clergy colleagues who somehow see me as defective or not quite saved because I won’t join them in their homophobic gay bashing and misquoting of scripture.”


http://www.washingtonblade.com/thelatest/thelatest.cfm?blog_id=17266

He also supports gay marriage, although his congregation may not.

So keep on shouting your lies, Hillary. Nobody's listening.

[Yes We Did]

24. Go ahead... take one comment of many...

And for the record, AIDS was created by the "white man". Where have you been?

[Whisp]

11. here's a hoot for you, Night Owl...

[Window]

20. If the shoe fits....

[Mags]

36. they would think anything connected to BHO is right, you are fighting

a losing battle with the BHO voters. They can't see the forest for the trees.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

17. we need to find a 30 sec snip of Wright saying something patriotic

something that combines the words "God" and "Country" and put it up on You Tube.

[2rth2pwr]

22. good luck.

[Yes We Did]

28. YouTube is your friend, and so is google.

They are all over the place if you really care to find out.

[EFerrari]

31. They are all over the place. I saw CNN play a clip from his Easter sermon.

The haters will have their day. This is so much more about the state of our media than about Jeremiah Wright.

edit to add: His Easter sermon was beautiful, btw.

[Yes We Did]

33. You are absolutely correct

Our media has a really corrupting influence but it is blogs that will eventuallly set the record straight.

[EFerrari]

34. Exactly. It's up to us to keep our heads and to drill down to truth.

We can do that. That's the job right now. :)

[2rth2pwr]

38. Let me know when you guys find 30 secs of something patriotic from Wright.

[Yes We Did]

51. you mean like if he wears a lapel pin? I don't think most people understand...

what being a patriot is.

[earthlover]

45. Hold on here, there are several religious reasons for a church not to support patriotism

For one, the scripture says give unto Caesar what is Caesar's, give unto God what is God's. A clear enough testament to separation of church and state.

A former pastor of mine....in a mainline Christian congregation, mostly white....made the point that God Bless America is blasphemy, that what would be more in line with Christ would be America Bless God. He taught social justice, peace not war, etc

Yes, there are some religious folk who equate religion with patriotism. I just wanted to point out that there are many dedicated pastors out there whose values do not equate Jesus with the Statue of Liberty. And I am talking about main line white congregations here, so it isn't just ministers like Wright who don't wave the American flag from the pulpit.

[Coexist]

4. they're all still pissed that the Republican party refused to accept their choice of a candidate

as much as they TOLD people not to vote for McCain, and TOLD people that McCain was Satan. Those idiots STILL went and voted for someone else.

So now they're working over the Democrat.

[Whisp]

6. really good post. rec'd. btw... anyone know what happened to that Rollin guy

Marten?
used to be on CNN quite often, a radio guy.
I heard him try to explain some of Wrights words in context and it appeared he was trying to put a light on all this nonsense, but lately I haven't seen him on.

anyone hear anything? did he shove off on his own accord or was not invited back because he was not in agreement with most on CNN on this non-issue?

[Yes We Did]

32. He's probably gone because CNN doesn't like him making sense...

of the comments. It's how you keep spin going.

[Whisp]

40. that's what I suspect, he was booted.

or left in disgust.
I'll do some looking later and post if I find anything.

[Whisp]

53. he was on CNN today... still fighting the good fight

over all the Hillary yappers.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

7. "Media Martians"

It's got a beat and I think I can dance to it.

[Yes We Did]

14. I'm still waiting for "the most trusted name in news" to show the other side.

I mean, don't they always show the "other side" no matter how wrong that other side is?

This time they decided to ONLY show the "other side" and not balance it out by showing all the good Wright has done.

Seems like they become more and more like Fox Noise every day... just like MSNBC.

[The Night Owl]

15. I bet that Pat Robertson's ministry has done a lot of charity.

Should we judge Pat Robertson only on the charity he does?

[Yes We Did]

18. At least it is covered, isn't it?

AND! as I said above, Wright has recanted his beliefs on LGBT issues.

Maybe you should read up on that.

[Window]

19. Great rant!

:yourock:

[Maribelle]

21. He was not mischaracterized. I heard the hate dripping from his very own mouth.

And I've gotta tell you, when I heard him scream "God damn America" - - for the first time in my life I was really fed up with this whole hate pomp Wright represents. Enough.

God bless America, land that I love

[Yes We Did]

23. You missed the rest of it, and your neglect to do the research saddens me.

You are going to condemn this man and the 30 years of work he has done over a 3 minute clip?

Are you telling me that you do not have ANY friends or family members who have ever made racially divisive comments? Don't lie about it either.

EVERYONE has someone in their circle of friends or family that has done the same thing Wright has done. Perhaps not on that grand of stage, but they have done it.

Your fake outrage is deafening.

[Maribelle]

46. 'My fake outrage?'

Sure it's fake - - you just keep telling yourself that down there where your head is buried.

I do not have any friends or family members who have ever made racially divisive comments. In fact the opposite it true. I have friends and family members that have volunteered countless hours in their quest to help eliminate racial strife, racial segregation, to promote human rights for all skin colors, genders, and sexual orientations, and to help the impoverished in the remote nooks and crannies of our society. In fact, one family member has made it her life's work - she could write a book.

Do you Obama supporters realize that it has been perhaps less than ten years since many southern school districts have been out from under federal court-ordered desegregation? I'll bet you didn't. Are any of you Obama supporters aware of the conflicts that arose between the federal court's oversight of desegregation and the implementation of the public school choice provisions of the No Child Left Behind Act and the problems that it caused to school administrators, teachers, our beloved children and their parents? I'll bet you didn't know that either.

The problems with this race card Obama wants to play is that it is cheap, old, and totally out of touch with reality.

And Wrights problems were not just his racially divisive comments. Not in the least.

[Yes We Did]

47. Bull Sh*t! I'm sorry... I'm not buyin' that... Never heard racial slurs spoken?

Who do you think you're foolin'? There is not a person in this country that has never heard someone they call family or friend use a racial slur. And your blind ignorance of that fact is very revealing.

Second, the "race card" Obama has been playing? Who do you think you are talking to? I have followed this race very close, and the ONLY candidate playing the race card is Hillary Clinton.

Obama has tried REPEATEDLY to downplay ANY issue of race, but you guys just won't let it die.

Maybe you missed it yesterday, when MSNBC asked Obama to do ANOTHER speech on race and he declined. So, what did they do? They cut away from his speech on the economy to go cover more bull shit Wright controversy.

You people make me sick. The whole lot of you and your fake bull sh*t outrage.

You were just looking for some reason to vote against Obama, something you could use in place of your "there is just something about him" fake bull sh*t racism!

I am sick of dealing with the ignorance you and your ilk bring to the table day after day after day.

How about talking about some issues for a change? Huh? Is that too much to ask? Or are you content to keep bring up this racist bull sh*t!

Obama is not Wright. Get that through your thick McCain voting skull. If you don't want to vote for him, then just don't. But I will be damed if I am going to sit here and listen to any more of your... FAKE outrage and ignorant excuses.

[Maribelle]

54. Not buying what I say is certainly your choice. But you're still wrong with your effort to smear me.

And to smear my family. That's how supporting Obama has stooped to its low levels - resort to smearing people you are totally clueless about. Great heroic action, that. The blind ignorance is yours.

And it's not that 'you guys' just won't let it die. It was Obama talking about it today, remember? It was Obama that gave yet another story about his preacher that somehow rang hollow. Don't you dare blame me for not letting it die. Surely you cannot believe that after Obama goes nationwide harping on his preacher, no one is allowed to discuss the issue?

Wright isn't going away.

Wright context doesn't change message

Brad Warthen (South Carolina's The State) explores the offense of the most famous sermon Wright delivered and then sold online:

But what Mr. Wright said is clear. The six-minutes-plus of context that went before "G** Damn America" was exactly what I would have guessed went before it. Essentially, it was a review of history, mixed with a small dollop of political partisanship (the comparison of not-so-bad presidencies with the current one). Short version: The government has upheld oppression of black people during the course of American history.

Folks, I'm an American history major, and I've lived in this country for most of 54 years. What part of the rather sketchy overview in that sermon do you think I didn't know already? If I'd been sermonizing, I could have added a lot to it -- including the fact that the blood offering of the Civil War, as horrific as it was, seems to have been an inevitable sacrifice to expiate the sin of slavery. And I would have said the evil didn't end there, nor could it, there being original sin in the world, and no one of us since Jesus Christ born free of it.

But I wouldn't have said "G** Damn America." Not in a million years. For me, the point of bringing up evil is to try to overcome it -- as I believe two people Mr. Darby mentions (King and Bonhoeffer) were trying to do.
Sorry, but I can't accept that the Rev. Wright was saying "things that challenge America to rise above its sins of prejudice and greed." No, if he'd said America was in danger of damnation, or headed straight thataway, rather as Jesus said to the Pharisees in the example cited by my colleague Warren Bolton this week, that might have been seen as a challenge, perhaps even a well-intentioned warning. (Personally, although he had more right, being God, than anyone else to do so, I don't remember Jesus ever damning anything more sentient than a fig tree.)

But Mr. Wright didn't call on us to do anything. Instead, he called on G** to damn America.

http://blogs.thestate.com/bradwarthensblog/2008/03/wright-context.html

[stillcool]

56. wow! you either can not or will not...

understand what the man was saying. Reverend Wright is a pastor of a church in a community. He speaks of the life he has known. I think he was spot on, about how our foreign policy has effected the people of the world, and what that means for our future. Perhaps it would have been better if he had put it this way:

Blowback
excerpted from the book
Blowback The Costs and Consequences of American Empire
by Chalmers Johnson
Henry Holt, 2000
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blowback_CJohnson/Blowback_BCJ.html

p8
The term "blowback," which officials of the Central Intelligence Agency first invented for their own internal use, is starting to circulate among students of international relations. It refers to the unintended consequences of policies that were kept secret from the American people. What the daily press reports as the malign acts of "terrorists" or "drug lords" or "rogue states" or "illegal arms merchants" often turn out to be blowback from earlier American operations.
p9
One man's terrorist is, of course, another man's freedom fighter, and what U.S. officials denounce as unprovoked terrorist attacks on its innocent citizens are often meant as retaliation for previous American imperial actions. Terrorists attack innocent and undefended American targets precisely because American soldiers and sailors firing cruise missiles from ships at sea or sitting in B-52 bombers at extremely high altitudes or supporting brutal and repressive regimes from Washington seem invulnerable. As members of the Defense Science Board wrote in a 1997 report to the undersecretary of defense for acquisition and technology, "Historical data show a strong correlation between U.S. involvement in international situations and an increase in terrorist attacks against the United States. In addition, the military asymmetry that denies nation states the ability to engage in overt attacks against the United States drives the use of transnational actors that is, terrorists from one country attacking in another."
The most direct and obvious form of blowback often occurs when the victims fight back after a secret American bombing, or a U.S.-sponsored campaign of state terrorism, or a CIA-engineered overthrow of a foreign political leader. All around the world today, it is possible to see the groundwork being laid for future forms of blowback.
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Terrorism(by definition)strikes at the innocent in order to draw attention to the sins of the invulnerable. The innocent of the twenty-first century are going to harvest unexpected blowback disasters from the imperialist escapades of recent decades. Although most Americans may be largely ignorant of what was, and still is, being done in their names, all are likely to pay a steep price-individually and collectively-for their nation's continued efforts to dominate the global scene. Before the damage of heedless triumphalist acts and the triumphalist rhetoric and propaganda that goes with them becomes irreversible, it is important to open a new discussion of our global role during and after the Cold War...
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"Blowback" is shorthand for saying that a nation reaps what it sows, even if it does not fully know or understand what it has sown. Given its wealth and power, the United States will be a prime recipient in the foreseeable future of all of the more expectable forms of blowback, particularly terrorist attacks against Americans in and out of the armed forces anywhere on earth, including within the United States. But it is blowback in its larger aspect-the tangible costs of empire-that truly threatens it. Empires are costly operations, and they become more costly by the year. The hollowing out of American industry, for instance, is a form of blowback-an unintended negative consequence of American policy- even though it is seldom recognized as such. The growth of militarism in a once democratic society is another example of blowback. Empire is the problem. Even though the United States has a strong sense of invulnerability and substantial military and economic tools to make such a feeling credible, the fact of its imperial pretensions means that a crisis is inevitable. More imperialist projects simply generate more blowback. If we do not begin to solve problems in more prudent and modest ways, blowback will only become more intense.

The American Empire: 1992 to present
from the book
Killing Hope
by William Blum
2004 edition
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/American_Empire_KH2004.html

Following its bombing of Iraq in 1991, the United States wound up with military bases in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Oman and the United Arab Emirates.
Following its bombing of Yugoslavia in 1999, the United States wound up with military bases in Kosovo, Albania, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Hungary, Bosnia and Croatia.
Following its bombing of Afghanistan in 2001-2, the United States wound up with military bases in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Georgia, Yemen and Djibouti.
Following its bombing and invasion of Iraq in 2003, the United States wound up with Iraq.
This is not very subtle foreign policy. Certainly not covert. The men who run the American Empire are not easily embarrassed
And that is the way the empire grows-a base in every neighborhood, ready to be mobilized to put down any threat to imperial rule, real or imagined. Fifty-eight years after world War II ended, the United States still has major bases in Germany and Japan; fifty ears after the end of the Korean War, tens of thousands of American armed forces continue to be stationed in South Korea.
"America will have a continuing interest and presence in Central Asia of a kind that we could not have dreamed of before," US Secretary of State Colin Powell declared in February 2002. Later that year, the US Defense Department announced: "The United States Military is currently deployed to more locations then it has been throughout history."

A Brief History of U.S. Interventions: 1945 to the Present
by William Blum
Z magazine , June 1999
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/US_Interventions_WBlumZ.html
The United States carried out extremely serious interventions into more than 70 nations in this period.

[aquarius dawning]

25. NO.....FUCKIN'.....WAY!!!!!!!!

[EFerrari]

30. Darn, I missed you.

[knight_of_the_star]

29. Calm down

Take a deep breath and step back a bit.

[MidwestTransplant]

39. Was this your Inspiration?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWSjUe0FyxQ

Just kidding around.

[Yes We Did]

42. I think in some way this had to be his chortle at Crocker. I thought the same thing.

[Yes We Did]

43. It had to be a part of his inspiration in a half hearted way... only...

this does has substance.

[GoldieAZ49]

41. I am happy to leave both Wright and Obama alone

it is my pleasure

[Yes We Did]

44. go for MC-Clinton... an agent of the same ole war-tit, clownish politics

[Redstone]

52. I didn't even bother to read your post, because of the subject. Hint: If you want anyone

to take you seriously, don't use post subjects that, with all the captial letters and exclamation points, make you seem to be a raving lunatic.

Just trying to be helpful here.

Redstone

[depakid]

58. "Just trying to be helpful here."

:-)

Whence has gone so many peoples' sense of irony?

[LWolf]

57. Huh?

I didn't quite catch that.