Recommend this thread if you want Hillary out of the race: Devastating New Jed Report on Ireland Lie

[Dems Will Win]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBCmKkLdCuA

Holy Moly!

Liar, Liar, Pantsuit on Fire! (Can anyone make a graphic of this?)

http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/

[polichick]

1. The Ireland story has been mentioned on msnbc (Keith, I think) - I'm sure we'll hear more soon...

Supposedly it's been written about extensively in Great Britain.

[pathansen]

45. George Mitchell indicates her role was significant in the peace process

QUOTE FROM GEORGE MITCHELL ON CBS, 3/10/08
“She was helpful and supportive, very much involved in the issues, knew all of the delegates. She accompanied President Clinton on each visit he made to Northern Ireland, made several visits of her own. Her greatest focus was on encouraging women in Northern Ireland to get in and stay in the political process, the peace process. And I have said publicly many times and wrote in my book, the role of women in the peace process in Northern Ireland was significant. It did make a difference in the process, so as I said I think it was a helpful and supportive role.”

[bilgewaterbill]

54. She was helpful and supportive.

[Ravy]

83. ...and made a difference. nt

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

91. and the tea and crumpets were delicious n/t

[scrucon]

101. Oooh! How smart of you!

Make you feel big to mock her? She is smart. That's not something you can say about Obama. I mean, he was in that church for 20 years and didn't hear a thing. You really want someone in the WH who can't read people or a situation?

[Hepburn]

123. No one needs to mock Hillary....

...she has done a splendid job of making a total fool of herself with all of her Walter Mitty lies.

[asthmaticeog]

113. Unconfirmed reports suggest that she may have said "attaboy."

[Dems Will Win]

117. Snipe!

[niceypoo]

55. GOP 2000 = Obama supporters 2008

...they are now officially republicans...

http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2000/update102900.html

Just like the republicans in 2000, when you cannot support your candidate on issues, you use character assassination.

John Hume backs Hillary:

Nobel Laureate John Hume has dismissed suggestions by former Ulster Unionist leader David Trimble that American presidential hopeful Hilary Clinton did not play an active role in the peace process.
Mr Hume said he was "quite surprised" by Lord Trimble's claims that Senator Clinton's involvement in the peace process was limited to "accompanying Bill."

Lord Trimble said; "I don't want to rain on the thing for her but being a cheerleader for something is slightly different from being a principal player."

The former SDLP leader said Hillary Clinton played a "positive role" in the peace process during her time as First Lady.

"I am quite surprised that anyone would suggest that Hillary Clinton did not perform important foreign policy work as First Lady," Mr. Hume said.

Apparently the truth doesn't matter anymore in the Obama campaign, everything is all about character assassination.

http://www.derryjournal.com/politics/Hume-defends-Hillary39s-role.3865801.jp

[How to be positive]

61. Purdy negative to quote you

Apparently the truth doesn't matter anymore in the Obama campaign, everything is all about character assassination.

[jwlashta]

77. ?

Are you being sarcastic? If I recall correctly, it was the Hillary camp that first started the mud slinging and has delivered the brunt of it.

[How to be positive]

111. yes I was being sarcastic n/t

[scrucon]

103. I can't believe we are showing ourselves to be such a shallow party.

Obama is incapable. The press is enthralled for God only knows what reason. And here we are, the cheerleaders for this empty suit when we have a perfectly good candidate whom we should be supporting if for no other reason than that the rethuglicans fear her. What is happening to us?!!??!?!?!!??!!!!?

[Kurovski]

115. What's happening to us?

We use too many exclamation points.

[Taxmyth]

64. Hillary Clinton

President of the United States of America

[EnviroBat]

72. ... and then you wake up.

From that nightmare.

[pompano]

94. Goodness.....

...is she trying to say THAT now?

I don't remember her ever being POTUS, but it wouldn't be the first time she has tried insulting someones intelajunce?...or surprise me either?

Whaaaaaaat?....Ya'll don't remember? :rofl:

[scrucon]

104. Hillary Clinton for the party of the cool people.

Barak Obama for the party of the fool people.

[How to be positive]

112. Do you REALLY think she can beat McBush, er I mean McCain?

[Hepburn]

124. .....

:puke:

[CTLawGuy]

74. so "democrats"

would let Hillary get away with her blatant lies about her experience?????

[IowaGirl]

90. Uh, who's lying about their experience? Like all the bills they worked on in the Illinois state.......

senate? :crazy:

[CTLawGuy]

118. got links?

or just snappy statements?

[IowaGirl]

92. Oh, and at least she's got some experience to lie about.............

:rofl:

[ExPatLeftist]

99. Watch the generalizations.

"Just like the republicans in 2000, when you cannot support your candidate on issues, you use character assassination."

I am an Obama supporter and never take part in character assassination.

Do not call me a Republican, and do not forget that people are individuals, not masses with a single brain. Yes, things are easier for you when you can lump all people that share a single trait and paint them with the same brush. Easier, but completely wrong.

Your post was also very ironic - I did not see you "supporting your candidate", and the whole post seems like a blanket character assassination, which you profess to deplore...

[scrucon]

102. Obama supporters will put McCain in the White House.

You know it's going to be a landslide for McCain if Obama is our nominee. He writes great speeches and can deliver them really well, but he doesn't think well on his feet. Even McCain will be easily able to take him out in a debate. Hillary is the one the rethuglicans fear. Fear and loathing go together. You hear them say good things about Obama all the time. Why do you think that is? And he's so dumb, he and his supporters just lap it up. Yuck!

[guyanakoolaid]

108. It is a bit like publicly viewing an execution

to see these Hillary supporters scratching at the floor as they are finally being dragged away from the nomination. I wonder how many will remember all of the stupid crap and irrational arguments they attached to their names during all of this.

[MindMatter]

59. Here's the thing that is missed in most of these discussions

No doubt she has hyped her importance way beyond reality. That is obvious.

But you also expect politicians to blow their own horns. I don't like the flat-out lying that she did about the Bosnia trip. That reminds me too much of Bill. But I do expect her to blow her own horn some.

The key thing that seems to be missing is that this is a completely different world than it was when Bill Clinton was in office. To the extent that Hillary may have built a rapport and some trust with world leaders of that generation, they are all gone. Every one of them.

In Russia, we have Putin now. In Iran, we have Ahmadinejad. In the Israel-Palestine conflict, Sharon and Arafat are gone. And so on around the globe.

I'm not saying her experience in 1992-2000 is totally irrelevant. I hope she learned some things. But I don't see that the relationships she might have established in this time are particularly relevant.

As long as we're getting to the meat of the matter, who's to say that world leaders want to deal with another Clinton anyway? That seems quite presumptuous of her.

Rather than hearing about how tight she was with a generation of leaders now mostly dead, I'd rather hear what her more recent Senate experience has done to prepare her in foreign policy for the world we live in today. And likewise for Obama.

[tbyg52]

93. There you go being reasonable...!

:hi:

[Cooley Hurd]

2. Fucking GREAT - good job, Jed!

..and, thank you for bringing it here, DWW!:hi:

[pathansen]

46. The guy who won the Nobel Peace Prize for his work on Northern Ireland strongly disagrees

John Hume, who won the Nobel Prize for Peace for his work on Northern Ireland states:
“I can state from firsthand experience that she played a positive role for over a decade in helping to bring peace to Northern Ireland... Anyone criticizing her foreign policy involvement should look at her very active and positive approach to Northern Ireland and speak with the people of Northern Ireland who have the highest regard for her and are very grateful for her very active support for our peace process.”

[SoxFan]

76. Perspective, people

For one thing, Europeans never seem to grasp the primary system. In their minds, Hillary is the face of the center-left opposition party, so anyone opposing her must be one of the bad guys.

Second, Hume undoubtedly has enormous respect for the work that BILL Clinton performed. BILL Clinton took on the State Department and pushed the peace process to the forfront. He, along with George Mitchell and Nancy Soderberg, are to be commended for their efforts. Hillary's role was essentially ceremonial, but since Hume undoubtedly met her on several occasions, he is not going to throw her under the bus, to use an overused phrase.

[GleninDublin]

120. I actually think he said Hillary, not Bill

With respect, that's not much of an argument. First of you say that he doesn't know what he's talking about, and then that he doesn't really mean what he says he does. I'm not a Clinton fan, I don't have a stake in these elections, but I think if John Hume praises her for her role in the peace process, whether it's active or merely supportive, we should do him the courtesy of believing what he says.

[Rhiannon12866]

121. Welcome to DU, GleninDublin!

And a valid point, one that we're not hearing on American television, so thank you for your clarification. I'm Irish-American, have visited Ireland more than once, and love your beautiful country. It's great to have you with us! :toast:

Rhiannon:hi:

[LakeSamish706]

3. If Bullshit was Electricity Hillary would be a walking Power plant.. n/t

[People4Change]

52. Hillary also told a lie about 9/11.

Hillary Clinton also told a wopper about 9/11.

When Hillary was interviewed on the "Today" show one week after 9/11, she said that Chelsea was jogging around the World Trade Center on 9/11 and happened to duck into a coffee shop when the airplanes hit. She said that this move saved Chelsea's life.

However, Chelsea told Talk magazine that she was in a friend's apartment four miles from ground zero when the first plane hit. Her friend called her, waking her up, and told her to turn on the TV. On television, she saw the second plane hit, disproving Hillary's claim that "she heard the plane hit. She heard it. She did."


We are in a war in Iraq because the President of our country lied about WMD. The last thing we need is another big liar in the White House.

[0007]

86. A 5000 Mega watt Generator

[Megahurtz]

4. Holy Crap.

I didn't think she lied this much. :crazy:

[hedgehog]

5. It's finding videos like this that make my children think I'm at least

marginally with it!

[Dems Will Win]

6. How many people died in the Irish fighting?

She's taking credit for stopping that.

[Johnny__Motown]

8. well, since it went on for over 400 years I am not sure how accurat a count you are going to get

[DerekJ]

7. Ouch...

[LisaM]

9. Well here is a contemporary report from 1999 (from the BBC)

When she was actually IN Ireland.

I don't believe I've actually heard Obama's position on peace in Northern Ireland......



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/342931.stm

[wileedog]

14. "I don't believe I've actually heard Obama's position on peace in Northern Ireland......"

I think it safe to assume he is for it.

[LisaM]

21. Yes, but there has been some backsliding

What is his SPECIFIC position?

[superkia]

18. I think his words would mean anything, I mean, words are just words.

[Emillereid]

19. Gosh, I'm glad she was for the peace process - but that's still not the same as participating.

[LisaM]

22. I see. Attending and speaking at conferences that moved the peace process forward

are meaningless, as were the four trips she took to Northern Ireland (she has actually been there since). Does she have to actually wield a sword and draw up the contracts to get your appreciation? There were a lot of years where the US government was conspicuously absent from the process, including when Margaret Thatcher was controlling news about the issues.

[roguevalley]

32. I don't have to appreciate her. she is not trustworthy. Or have you

been watching the news these past few days? just saying

[stillcool]

39. Do you believe there is no difference..

between the experience of a First Lady and a President? Laura Bush, Barbara Bush, Rosalynn Carter, Pat Nixon, Betty Ford. They all give speeches at women's conferences etc.,

[sandnsea]

23. Oh, she gave a speech, just words

Right?

What is Obama's position on peace??? :rofl:

Come on. She is as embarrassing as Bush.

[0007]

88. I note how she pretty much failed to disclose that she helped vote to give Bush the power to take th

[krispos42]

98. Good one!

"just a speech"

:rofl:

[Emillereid]

25. The problem is Hillary's claims regarding her role. Had she said, I went to Ireland to

to attend a "conference, aimed at strengthening the roles of women in democracy" where I praised the peace process -- I would have no trouble with it.

Or if she claimed that "Her speech at the women's conference underlined her continuing interest in the role that women are playing in the Northern Ireland peace process" - I'd have no argument with it.

Or if she said, I "flew to London to meet UK Prime Minister, Tony Blair's wife Cherie, and to attend a children's rights conference later on Thursday." - no problemo.

Read your own link!

But her claims that she was instrumental in the peace process in Ireland is simply not true by any stretch.

[pathansen]

48. Article shows she visited Ireland on 4 different occasions to help with peace process

[rosesaylavee]

78. Thank you for the link to the story.

I understand that she was involved separately from her husband in working with the women of the country. And as first lady, she could have chosen not to participate and support their work there.

But how is this different from the work of our current first lady in Africa? I guess what I am asking, is how much weight should we give these actions? Would there have been success there without her support? I think the answer is yes. Her support was ceremonial - not hands-on other than speaking in public there about the problems and meeting with the minister's wife and perhaps other women involved in the processs. It was admirable that she did that but it wasn't vital to the success of the effort as she proposes in her debate statement.

Her involvement was voluntary and admirable, not vital to its success.

[Cali_Democrat]

10. I'm at work and can't watch video

Whats it about?

[Johnny__Motown]

16. It shows her statements about helping bring peace to N.Ireland, and people refuting it

as well as some newspaper clips



the phrase "as far as her being involved in the talks, absolutely not" among others.

[grantcart]

58. she's going to be sorry she invented you tube

I know its a terrible shot but I could not resist myself lol

[NoFederales]

67. That is pretty sweet! I needed the chuckle, thanks. nt

NoFederales

[FraDon]

107. Damn good point, but

I believe it's "the you tubes".

[anonymous171]

11. Snipergate has caused a flood of examination into her Foreign Policy claims.

[Johnny__Motown]

12. Drip...... Drip....... Drip....... Drip.........

This could go on for years

[democrattotheend]

13. Can you tell me what's in the video?

I am at work and don't have sound on my computer.

[Johnny__Motown]

17. see post 16

[Whisp]

15. lieing seems to be a pattern with her, I'm just wondering...

how far back this behaviour goes and whether we should have believed her then.

[alphafemale]

20. It goes ALL the way back. She even lied for years that she was named for Sir Edmund Hillary.

Her reality checks bounce.

[goclark]

28. I heard something about that but

can't remember....

Not true?

Not again Pinocchio!! :crazy:

Does anyone remember her from elementary school?

Bet it started at that time.

There is something about the way that she builds up the lies and tells them for no apparent reason that tells me we do not want her picking up that Ring,Ring,Ring

[Shae]

51. apparently

she used to claim that she had been named after Sir Edmund Hillary.
Then it was pointed out that Sir Hillary did not become famous for his Mt. Everest climb until 1953.
She would have been about 6 in 1953.

[joneschick]

57. interesting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Edmund_Hillary :hi:

[bigbrother05]

68. 35 yrs of experience, if I recall correctly

[H2O Man]

24. Perhaps the single best

reference for those who want a fair, unbiased history of the Clinton administration's involvement in the Northern Ireland Peace Process is Tim Pat Coogan's "The Troubles." Coogan is one of Ireland's most respected journalists and historians. The book, which was published long before the 2008 democratic primary, is an effort to tell the truth about "Ireland's Ordeal & the Search for Peace." The author has no ax to grind.

He writes about the role that President Bill Clinton, VP Al gore, and others played. Two of the most important Irish-Americans were Ted Kennedy and Jean Kennedy Smith. In the book's 600+ pages, there is no mention of First Lady Hillary Clinton. That does not mean she did not play any role -- she surely did. And so did hundreds of other US citizens.

[DearAbby]

26. This is sort of like my Dad...

he would change a light-switch cover, then proudly proclaim, he re-wired the whole house! Put a washer in a leaky fawcet and claim he plumbed the entire house....you get the idea :/

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

27. I heard Reagan ended communism, too

I didn't believe that one either.

[tabasco]

29. Is it any wonder the republicans want Clinton as the nominee?

Thank goodness her lies are being exposed now, when Democratic voters have a chance to reject her.

NOW - how about those tax returns, Hillary?

(and the earmark requests, the White House records, the library contributors, etc.)

[kid a]

63. k

[juno jones]

30. I admit, I had to read the whole thing.

Damn, you're right. K&R

[sce56]

31. Kick & 50th Rec! n/t

[redqueen]

33. You really should drop this.

Yes, some folks in NORTHERN Ireland are pooh-poohing her claims... but some from the REPUBLIC are backing her up.

That's ALL I need to know. Which side are you on?

She helped. Period.

[emilyg]

34. What a nice, refreshing post. Thank you.

[redqueen]

35. Thank you!

:hug:

[anonymous171]

36. With respect, you sound a bit repuggish.

I am on the democrats side and America's side.

[redqueen]

37. I'm on the side of TRUTH and HONOR.

How did that sound Repuggish?

I know which country desired peace more. Check the murals. N Ireland is still steeped in militarism.

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

41. I lived in Northern Ireland when the peace accords were

signed. I don't ever remember Hillary ever being mentioned except for the visits to the women's group and such.

Believe me, when the Irish in Northern Ireland talk about the peace accords, the names that are always mentioned are Bill Clinton and George Mitchell. Bill Clinton was the first American president to lift the "boycott" of visas for the likes of Gerry Adams and Martin McGuiness, that had been in place since Reagan/Thatcher. Did you know that neither Adams or McGuiness could speak
in their own voices. The BBC Northern Ireland and UTV would have an actor speaking. What that achieved I have no idea, but the Unionists are strange ducks anyway.

[bigtree]

42. George Mitchell has credited her repeatedly

[defendandprotect]

43. I'd be happy to hear him/George Mitchell defend her in this if that is so . . .

[defendandprotect]

44. ..because otherwise I think we have to question not only her honesty . ..

but her sanity!!

[Dems Will Win]

50. Um - not exactly. What George said:

I just spoke to Senator George Mitchell, the Clinton administration's leading Northern Ireland peace negotiator, who said that Hillary was "not involved directly" in the diplomatic negotiations that led to the landmark April 1998 Good Friday agreement on power-sharing.

http://factcheck.barackobama.com/factcheck/2008/03/01/fact_check_clinton_still_has_n.php

[FunkyLeprechaun]

66. The Republic has murals as well

The Republic still has groups like the IRA and Cumann Na mBan who are stridently Republican. Even the Republican constitution, they consider Northern Ireland part of Ireland (resulting in people like me being tri-citizen: American, British, and Irish). The President of Ireland, Mary McAleese, was born in Northern Ireland.

The peace process took such a long time because of people like Ian Paisley (who wouldn't even walk on the same ground as Gerry Adams) and the continuing infighting between people who were taught the Catholics/Protestants were bad. Paisley has since softened up and began to work with Sinn Fein. I think it is because Sinn Féin is getting the majority of votes in Northern Ireland.

My parents and I were so surprised to see Rev. Paisley at the same table as Gerry Adams. This was the guy who refused to work with Catholics for such a long time (it's well documented).

[Baby Snooks]

56. And which side is she and Bill on?

He's done quite well wheeling and dealing with the Arabs in the Persian Gulf. The same Arabs the Bushes have done quite well wheeling and dealing with. They are both con artists. Neo-con artists.

[FunkyLeprechaun]

65. I've got relatives from both the Republic and Northern Ireland

And they all think her saying she helped the peace process is bollocks. I visited my grandparents repeatedly in Northern Ireland during the peace accords and I do not remember her in the news at all.

As you know the IRA from near the border with Northern Ireland set off a bomb in Omagh in 1998 and I was in County Down when it happened, what were the papers mainly talking about at the time? Monica, and even in the days after the bombing, they couldn't stop talking about Monica in the papers (relegated to little articles inside the paper). I know this is a fact because I still have my newspapers from then.

[PaulaFarrell]

69. Are you saying that poeple in Northern Ireland can't be believed?

I'm really not clear what you're saying. Why should someone from the Republic of Ireland be more believable than someone from N. Ireland? And what 'side' are you on? The IRA or the UDF? That's who the fighting was between (and all the offshoots of course), not between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland (which would technically have meant that ROI was at war with the UK). Both were as bad as each other and both, I believe, had lost the support of the people there, which is the real reason peace was achievable.

[Inspired]

80. NORTHERN vs. REPUBLIC??? I'd like to see the REPUBLIC version on YouTube.

Care to post?

[autorank]

38. K*R Hey, did I tell you I won the Gold Medal in weight lifting?

Why am I not surprised. This is getting ridiculous.

We need a 'dead pool' on the next big fib.

I say, "Hillary was instrumental in cracking the DNA code." (a misprint, should have been DNC)

[Kurovski]

53. I really want to believe that you won the Gold Medal in weight lifting.

And so I do.

[autorank]

60. Somebody has to do the heavy lifting. In my youth...

[frog92969]

40. Yes...Out...Now.....Please.

:puke:

[biglefthander]

47. K&R

When will the madness end?

[Teaser]

49. I was certain I was about to be Rickrolled

.

[file83]

70. The important thing is that I'm never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU

[Rosa Luxemburg]

62. I had more of a role in peace in N Ireland than Hillary

and I wasn't even there!

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/foreign/tobyharnden/mar08/hillaryiamirish.htm

[Inspired]

81. Me too. I debated the topic in 8th grade social science class.

I guess I can add this to my resume.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

96. The MSM haven't focussed too much on this yet?

[TexanIndian]

71. No, Don't Quit... Yet

America needs a choice in the elections. It is a choice between a person who thinks highly of their achievements and think that they can achieve even more (also known as self confidence) and a person who thinks Wright is right, then says Wright is Wrong, then says Wright is right because he is warped in time and eventually says Wright is Wrong, but if he wasn't retiring I would have Left Mr. Wright...

AND IT ONLY TOOK 20 YEARS TO MAKE THIS MONUMENTAL DECISION, OH THE MASTER OF JUDGEMENT!!

America Needs A Choice. America needs a Democrat in the Office. Mr. Wright's right (hand man) is not the Right Choice.

[EnviroBat]

73. That's all you've got and it's weak. Fucking wake up, Write is a non-issue!

[scrucon]

100. Hillary, please stay in the race and give us a choice. Let us be pro-choice.

I really don't get all the brain-washing that's going on about Obama. You said it very well, Tex. America needs a choice. To have a Democrat in the White House, we need Hillary. Also, why are the superdelegates even there if all they're supposed to do is reflect the choice of the delegates?

Obama is the wrong choice. And nobody can tell me why they think otherwise.

[guyanakoolaid]

109. "Thinks highly of their achievements"

Of course Hillary thinks so highly of her achievemnets, she's even willing to add more even if they don't exist in reality

[Gman]

75. You do this full time as a paid staffer for Obama, don't you?

Nice cushy job, huh?

[Dems Will Win]

79. No just a Obama fan in my PJs. I just know how to Google. The OP took me 15 minutes.

And the other top-recommended post took me 5 minutes.

Any other questions? Sorry to be so hard on Hillary. But don't worry, at this rate it will be over before PA.

[Penndems]

85. There seem to be quite a few posters on GD:P that would fit that description.

n/t

[Life Long Dem]

82. Kicking it in high gear!

[0007]

84. Will Italy be next?

OMFG

[riverwalker]

87. next she'll claim she wrote the Declaration of Independance

Hillary go away, just go away. You and Bill need to retire to a nice little place and write books or something.

[0007]

89. Love stories for the 'Love Magazines' or an addendum to 'The Pearl'

[Politicalboi]

110. You mean she didn't?

Next you'll tell me there ain't no Santa either. Hillary showed courage as the missles and sniper fire were all around her and Chelsea in Bosnia. The H-Bomb even landed the plane and shot a terrorist. I saw the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHVEDq6RVXc

[Fyddlestyx]

95. K & R

[OwnedByFerrets]

97. Kicked and recommended

[Blue Fire]

105. K&R!!

Nice Google work!

All Hillary is accomplishing by staying in a losing race is the continued erosion of Democratic solidarity. Hell, Lame-O McSame is already launching his GE bullshit blitz, and we're forced to drag our feet because a sore loser refuses to read the writing on the wall!

[mcollier]

106. Well Said

B. Fire... The entire country is moving toward support of Barack Obama, dispite what the media tries to propagate....

Go Obama!

[L0oniX]

114. K&R

[Dems Will Win]

116. Pow!

[meow mix]

119. K&R

[apocalypsehow]

122. *Kick*

:kick: