Anyone else went from "liking" HRC to just loathing her?

[HardWorkingDem]

Each day that goes on, the more and more disappointed I become with HRC.

Each time I see her on television she always seems to say something that really pisses me off and continues to reinforce my belief to her and her husband it is all about No 1 and No 2.

The most recent was the clip of her being interviewed about Michigan and Florida. I wish I could flip flop the scenario and hear how she would explain what would happen if Obama had "won" those two primaries instead of here. I can just imagine her stance of how rules must be followed, blah, blah, blah.

[democrattotheend]

1. I've lost some respect for her

But would not go so far as to say I loathe her. I still plan to vote for her if she is the nominee, and would be excited if she won, if only because I want a Democrat in the White House and I am excited about the prospect of a woman president.

[silverweb]

2. Yup.

I used to like her and have a lot of respect for her as a person. Gone now. All gone. It's sad.

On Edit: If she somehow managed to legitimately get the nomination, I'd still vote for her because ANY Democrat is better than another reTHUG in the WH. But I'd really have to hold my nose and choke down the bile.

[samdogmom]

3. I went from tolerating to loathing...does that count? n/t

[City Lights]

12. That's where I'm at too.

Unfortunately. :-(

[CTD]

81. That's me too. Although "loathe" might not adequately express my current opinion

nt

[roguevalley]

94. the bosnia thing pushed me over. my nephew was in bosnia at the same

time. exploiting troops for politics, that's a bushism. she didn't even think about the families and their fear and the kids over there being shot at every day. she just used them. Fuck that. I will not forgive it.

[redqueen]

4. No. I wasn't a newbie to politics before this campaign.

[JuniperLea]

13. Well said, redqueen!

Some of the things I'm seeing here today just make me groan with disbelief!

Here are a few truths that cannot be avoided:

Life isn't fair.

Politics are a dirty business.

You must pay your taxes.

You will die some day.




I don't believe this "tearing the party apart" meme any more than I believe we must choose our nominee before the convention! In the good old days, that's where we tuned in to figure out who the nominee was!

[redqueen]

14. It's like the sewer system.

It stinks like hell, and you're going to get coated in shit and quite stinky yourself working on it, but someone has to do it, until we design a better means of handling sewage. :)

[JuniperLea]

19. Excellent analogy!

Pass the coveralls and waders! I'm ready! LOL!

[redqueen]

21. It's my favorite!

Anytime anyone bitches to me about slimy politicians... well... get your ass in there and help clean it up then!

:hug:

[HardWorkingDem]

31. FYI - not a newbie, but not an old fart either....

I've been following politics for almost thirty years, okay?

Her behavior has been atrocious and is growing more so every day.

And just like the other day when her supporters on CNN were reminded how often her and Bill have thrown "friends" under the bus (Richardson, Guinier, Elders......hm......something odd about these folks, eh? and she wants to talk about disenfranchisement).

[JuniperLea]

38. You might try to Google up some old, antique campaign posters...

If you think this race is dirty, you should see what the candidates were saying about each other in the 1800's and early 1900's... then you might graduate to the horrid things that were said in the 60's, when I first started paying attention as a little girl because my Mom worked on the Kennedy campaign and my Pop worked on Goldwater... yes, a Dem mom and a Repub pop... it's called being able to be an adult and work together. The 70's were no walk through the garden either. Thirty years isn't a good amount... the past thirty years have been very troubled and there were a lot of shenanigans that shouldn't have been allowed.

[AllentownJake]

119. This is mild

Compared to Adams vs Jefferson. Hamilton sabotaged his own party because he hated Adams. However at the time people were being bought and sold too. I'd like to think that we evolve as a people over time.

[mudesi]

5. Raising my hand with vehemence

I used to only be against her because of her Iraq vote.

Then I became disappointed.

Then I started to dislike her.

Now I'm completely disgusted with her. She is scum.

[HockeyMom]

6. Voted for her twice for Senator

Digusted with her.

[RC]

7. At one time, not all that long ago, I thought

Hillary and Obama were pretty well match in what is now called the center. Then the facade slipped and her real neo-con self was reveled.

[peacebird]

I am very disappointed in Hill and in Bill. I loved Bill before this election cycle

but now.... No. Don't even really like him anymore....

[Catherina]

8. I went from loathing her since since 2002 to feeling immensely sorry for her now

because of how far she's fallen.

[FrenchieCat]

9. Me......

I certainly started out "Liking" her, in part because Wes Clark endorsed her.

[roguevalley]

96. I will always love Wes Clark. He was my nephew's general in

Bosnia and he met Clark. I am soooo jealous. :P

[maximusveritas]

10. Yes, for both her and Bill

I campaigned for them early in 1992 and supported them all the way until this year. I might be able to forgive them eventually if they give everything they have into defeating McCain.

[roseBudd]

11. I was ambivalent but thought she was a risky nominee because she is so intensely disliked by repubs

who might be ready to vote D after the Bush/GOP disaster of the last 7 years

Now I can't stand her.

[JuniperLea]

15. I'm actually liking her more...

After seeing so many weak and feeble minded people fall for the media rhetoric, and showing how they don't understand the process at all.

I'm not supporting either candidate... but I'll vote for whomever gets the nomination... and I sincerely hope we do NOT know who that is until the convention... that is the traditional way to find out and I'm ready to see that happen again this year.


Edited to say: Patience is a virtue... and most people don't become patient until they grow the fuck up.

[Maddy McCall]

16. ....

agree with every word. :thumbsup:

[HardWorkingDem]

22. What is "weak and feeble minded" when....

each days she campaigns she sounds more and more like McCain and that she is running against Obama in a general election?

Like I asked some time ago - when did she open her mouth when McCain likened Iran to helping al Queda and not knowing there was a difference between the Sunni and Shiites?

If I had more energy and desire I'd do a list of all here antics. For some reason I see her joining the ranks of Jomentum Lieberman and becoming an independent.

[JuniperLea]

25. That's a good GOP tool... keep spreading those GOP memes...

:eyes:

[cali]

24. Actually, you certainly demonstrated how little you know despite

your bragging. It has not been traditional that the Convention was where the nominee was picked, for decades. And the couple of times that it has gone to the convention, it's been a freakin' disaster for the nominee and the party. The primary system is now designed to pick a nominee early in the process. Unfortunately, it didn't work this year.

[JuniperLea]

28. You hate it when someone brags better than you, right Dearie?

You proved my point, thank you very much. It has been decades since that happened... it's called history, Dearie. The primary system is NOT designed to work that way. When did the design change?

:shrug:

That's ok, Sugarbutt... you just keep it up. Your weak and feeble minded minions will agree with you:)

[HardWorkingDem]

29. What's with the GD'd rudeness?!?!

What a bunch of bullshit.

Calling other Du'ers "weak" and "feebleminded" is bullshit and unnecessary.

[Maddy McCall]

30. You're lecturing people on "rudeness?"

Might want to try a different tone maybe, if you're going to be the rudeness lecturer.

[HardWorkingDem]

33. How so?

Have I called another Du'er with a contrary opinion "weak" or "feeble minded" or suggest they are doing the work of the GOP?

If so, show me where.

[JuniperLea]

35. Methinks my call for the minions brought this one...

Right on cue!

:silly:

[JuniperLea]

34. Gotcha... I can't respond in kind to a poster with a long history...

Of being offensive and divisive, but you pick on me, not her.

Nice.

[HardWorkingDem]

43. I'm not "picking" on anyone...just pointing out...

you typed those who have a contrary opinion are "weak" and "feeble minded" and doing the work of the GOP. I did not type that.

I don't know anything about the history of the who you appear to be feuding with.

[JuniperLea]

62. That is my opinion... and I'm not alone...

I'm seeing the GOP meme repeated over and over here... no original thought, no logic applied, just parroting. And when you question, you get the typical insult instead of an answer. You might read the post I was responding to, then read the response to my response... very typical. If you pay attention, you will see that same scenario played out over and over again all over DU.

And some have been suspended for their behavior... you only notice when the stench dies down.

:hi:

[Name removed]

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[JuniperLea]

40. Typical for you...

Insult the poster instead of sticking to the issue. Very typical.

[Maddy McCall]

45. If you don't put "Grand Dame of Snark" in your signature line...

I'll be very disappointed.

LOL. :hi:

[JuniperLea]

57. I'm honored!

I had to credit you... hope you don't mind:)

[Maddy McCall]

42. Juniperx is the Grand Dame of Snark.

As a former adversary of hers, I can attest to this.

But she does it within DU's rules, usually. That's what makes her snark a thing of beauty.

[JuniperLea]

50. I'm so happy we two...

Very strong women are on the same side of life. We don't even have to agree on a candidate to get along. Gee... wish that was contagious around here!

:hug:

[Maddy McCall]

54. Exactly.

:hug:

[HardWorkingDem]

67. Think Gore Vidal said it...

The elite don't have to conspire; they all think alike.

You type this.....

"We don't even have to agree on a candidate to get along. Gee... wish that was contagious around here!"

after calling people with other opinions names?!?!?!

[Beacool]

102. Me too, I have come to admire even more

her willingness to withstand the vitriol directed at her form the Obama campaign, his supporters and the media, and still be able to stand tall against them.

Keep on trucking Hillary, we got your back!!!!!!!!!!!

[madrchsod]

17. i`ve always loathed her

but i try refrain from calling her "names". i disagree with her on many issues unrelated to her platform since there really is`t that much difference between the her`s and obama`s. i would like to believe that she could do much better if she did`t come across so cold but maybe that is`t in her nature. i do think she could have done much better by keeping bill out of the campaign and firing her staff after the disaster in iowa. she could have had it wrapped up by now but to many bad judgments let the door open for obama.

[opihimoimoi]

18. A lot of HATE is contrived and promoted by RoveBots...the Pub Party's Brown Shirts

Thats all they do ....is sow bad seeds....

It was their mission to distract her into making simple mistakes...some of which is hers for sure...but most is built on the Pubs Mission of fuckin with the Dem Party so as to weaken us.

[JuniperLea]

23. That's why we need to stay strong and drop all THEIR memes!

"Tearing the party apart" is one of their memes!

It only takes a little clear thought to understand... but no... you won't find much clear thinking here... or original thinking for that matter.

[opihimoimoi]

46. Thats a sign of infiltration by nefarious forces bent on making mischief

The finger prints, foot prints and DNA are all over the board...LOL

I am sure there a lot of FAKE Loathing/hating/revulsion pasted here for the denigration effect....

The focus is splitting the Party and kill off Hill at the same time...a 2 fer...

The Pubs only hope is to destroy from within...classic Sun Tzu way of winning w/o firing a shot/arrow...

in open warfare, the Pubs lose...no credibility left....

whats left for them...is the insidious approach...like that of termites....the Bastids.....

[JuniperLea]

58. Divide and conquer!

It's as old as war itself.

[opihimoimoi]

72. Ed Zacerhy

[Georgie_92]

20. Yep..n/t

[CherokeeDem]

26. I Would Have to Say Yes...

I think the thing that bothers me the most is that I defended Bill Clinton during the entire Ken Starr episode and believed that they were targeted by a vast Right Wing Conspiracy. Who knew they would use the same tactics on a fellow Democrat. I really think that Bill and Hill had no idea that she would face such an opponent as Barak Obama. I believe they felt entitled and who in the Democratic Party would dare go against a Clinton. I've been around campaigns for many years, so the tactics used, while I might not like them, I understood some of them but the Bosnia thing really did me in. What was she thinking? Or was she? A friend of mine, a guy in his late 60's is a dyed in the wool Clinton fan and he said about her Bosnia story, "Well, we don't know who made her say that." If that were the case, then why would we want her if she says what she is told and if she knew (and I truly believe this) she was stretching the truth...who was she trying to kid. And to blame her "misspeak" on "sleep deprivation"...was she sleep deprived 4 times...since she repeated the story 4 times? Ready for that 3 am call? Not if she can't make sense at 3 pm. I am really disappointed in them both.

[Yukari Yakumo]

27. Pretty much my thoughts exactly. {nt}

uguu

[emilyg]

32. And the purpose of your post is??

[XemaSab]

37. Loathing is a strong word

I would say that I've lost all respect for her, I'm vaguely disgusted with her, and I hope to never hear her name mentioned again.

Is that loathing? :shrug:

[sniffa]

39. I went from indiffernce to revulsion

Sorta the same thing.

[AzDar]

41. Ayup.

[theredpen]

44. Yes.

And I'm sad about it, but yes.

[HughBeaumont]

47. Nah, I've pretty much loathed her from the get-go.

As I do most supporters of job offshoring and glad-handers of Indian outsourcing conglomerates like Tata. And people who believed the worst president in the world when men and women's lives were on the line. Twice.


http://journals.democraticunderground.com/HughBeaumont/32

[Oleladylib]

48. sorry for you...I'm excited...she is going to win it...ALL!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

49. Yep. Can hardly even look at her anymore. She is a self-serving

piece of shit, IMHO. Knowing she can't win, pulling O down,
staying in, praising McPain over O, ruining everything.

Little does she know - she thinks she's setting herself
up for VP, of Dem Nominee in 2012 - after her charades
now - she will never get elected dog catcher in this
party.

Say what you want about Romney - at least he had enough
class to get out and let McPain have a better chance
at winning in Nov.

[Blarch]

51. Yes, I agree.

She lost it ...I told my freeper boss that the right wing was correct the whole time about Hillary ...she IS vile.

I really didn't realize it till SC. Gotta be more careful.

[Jane Austin]

52. Yes.

That describes me about right.

[Mags]

53. no, your are just panicking and being sore losers

[Warren Stupidity]

79. lol

you have become the highlight of my reading adventures in this zoo.

[skater314159]

55. Yep. nt

[melody]

56. Me, for one

She gained a little ground yesterday by FINALLY attacking McCain, but she lost it again with today's babble.

[aaroh]

59. " whether you like it or not those lobbyist represents real americans" lost respect from that point

[murray hill farm]

60. After Edwards, she was my choice, but

Noooooooo more! I now think she is horrid...and if, becasuse of her, we end up with McCain as pres., I will hold her responsibe for all that happens to our country. Hundred year war and all.

[npincus]

61. same here

[elfin]

63. Count me in

I never really "liked" her, but respected her knowledge and diligence and scrappiness. HOWEVER --

after her Rovian tactics, I feel she has squandered and good will obtained heretofore.

I now cannot abide her. But if she claws her way to the nomination, I would vote for her as opposed to McPain-- but no money, no yard sign, no volunteer work etc.

I have relatives who would abstain from voting - or even vote for McPain if she is the nominee.

Obviously, I am an Obama girl and will help finance and work for him if he prevails.

[Life Long Dem]

64. The opposite with Obama. The more I hear from him the more I feel right about him.

I can listen to Obama talk all day. I have a very hard time sitting for one minute listening to Hillary. It has to do with trust. I just don't see that in her. I see more of a puppet in her.

[enigmatic]

65. no

I had no feeling about her one way the other before the primaries, and it hasn't changed now. Both candidates are playing hardball politics; this has happened since the beginning of time. If you go into politics, especially national, you become a some point beholden to special interests; it's inevitable. And they both want to win.

That's why "falling in love" w/ a candidate is fool's gold. I don't want to be "inspired"; I want someone to work toward the goals I as a voter hold in my vision of what this country should be. Hillary is not repulse, Satan, etc, and either is Obama, as much as their most insane followers would like to make their rivals out to be.

They are politicians, period.

[abbyg8r]

66. Yes.

I loved Bill Clinton. Loved being the operative word. It happened very slowly. After watching the dynamic duo engage in the typical Washington dirty politics, I woke up one morning and realized I couldn't stand them. I do not believe they understand that his supporters want CHANGE. They don't want politics as usual. They don't want to saddle up and have an argument ie. engage in the the typical Washington dirty politics. As Peggy Noonan said in her recent editorial about HRC, you either get it, or you don't.

[Cha]

68. I liked her in 2001 when I met her and took her pic in

New York here. After, Oct 2002 she lost me and I voted for Jonathan Tisini in the Dem primary whom she wouldn't "debate", btw, in 2006.

Every day since Oct 2002, when she voted for the IWR without reading the 90 page NIE, I have liked her less each day and now it's full blown contempt.

[EFerrari]

73. What she did to Tasini sealed it for me.

I never really liked her but I thought that was just me.

Well, no. It really was her all along.

She's treating this country like a third world nation where you can buy your way into everything.

[WA98296]

69. I once respected her, now she'll never EVER get a vote from me

[tilsammans]

70. “Loathing” is too strong a word . . .

. . . I’d still prefer Hill to The Third Term of Bushco any day. And if that were the matchup, she'd get my vote.

But my respect for her (and Bill) has dwindled down to almost zero. They are desperate, and will stop at nothing to slam Barack.

This latest alleged sleep-deprivation ditty? Shameless.

It’s time. For them. To go.

:kick:

[Pisces]

71. Absolutely. I can not believe at this point that I ever liked her or defended her.

She makes me sick. I am so disgusted with her. I can not imagine voting for her if she hijacks the nom. I will write in Obama's name in protest.

[lligrd]

74. Count Me It. nt

[mainer]

75. Yep. My middle aged women friends all agree.

My friends and I have breakfast once a week. We're all Democrats and political junkies and activists. We all give generously to the Democratic party. Half of us supported Hillary in the Maine caucus, the other half went for Obama. None of us loathed Hillary at that point.

But now -- my god, you should hear us talk about her. We really do loathe her. And we're supposed to be her base.

[NC_Nurse]

76. Yes. Her lack of integrity is quite visible these days. She still beats McLame

tho...

[midnight armadillo]

77. Loathing is a little strong. I used to like the Clintons.

Deep dislike is a better description.

My opinion of Bill took a decidedly downward turn after SC too.

[Warren Stupidity]

78. I started to admire her willingness to fight like hell.

But she crossed a line when she and her husband started triangulating over McCain, and then she blew her own campaign up with her Bosnian Delusion and now the two of them have become an unpleasant worn out farce.

[Vinca]

80. When the race first started, I assumed since she was a woman

and I'm a woman that I'd gravitate toward her campaign. Now I can't stand her. When she appears on the television screen I switch channels. I wish she'd end the ego trip.

[Tropics_Dude83]

89. You know....she started to lose me in NH

After Iowa, I certainly didn't support her but I was ambivalent about like/dislike. When she cried those, in my opinion, purely politically motivated tears (as while she was crying she launched into a political attack so it wasn't genuine), that's when I began to see her as a cold heartless calculating Cruella.

It's funny. It's the moment when she "got" most people. It's the moment when she "lost" me forever.

[Autumn]

82. I went from just liking her to really admiring her

she doesn't irritate me,and she seems to be tough.Don't always agree with her voting record but I agree with her more often than not.

[KeepItReal]

83. I went from not caring about her to utter disbelief that she could be like this.

(eom)

[Celebration]

84. I used to like her

I realize now that it was just because I didn't know her very well.

Honestly, though, I think there is something wrong with her. She's another whacko, a person who either doesn't know the truth from a lie, or lies anyway and doesn't care unless she is caught.

This is pretty sad. So I feel sorry for her. I don't think we need a "pretty sad" person to be President. I don't want a liar to negotiate with other countries. Who would trust her? I certainly don't.

[Joey Liberal]

85. I've lost respect for her....................n/t

[lmbradford]

86. me...

N/T

[OnionPatch]

87. I don't loathe her ..... yet.

But I'm starting to get close.

[Barking Spider]

88. I've come full circle

I really didn't like her before last year, then starting warming to the idea of her in the WH last fall and I was planning to vote for her. Then I was jarred back into reality this spring.

[krabigirl]

90. no, sorry to burst your bubble.

[Buzz Clik]

91. I'm months ahead of you. My other half beat you by about a year.

[SoCalDem]

92. I still don't loathe her. I pity her and am disgusted

with the way her campaign has been run.

I lost any respect I had for her, because if she's the candidate and she "didn't know" what surrogates were doing, then she's as clueless as the president we already have..and if she knew, and did not stop them, then she's worse than he is, and we should never put her in the WH.

She has an air of desperation to her, and she wants it too much.. She's willing to do ANYTHING to "win"..

and in "winning", she make us all lose..

[wildeyed]

93. I am exceedingly angry with her.

I was a very moderate Obama supporter at the beginning of this campaign. I liked Barack better, but I thought Hillary was a good candidate, too, someone I would be proud to support in the General if she won. Now..... not so much.

Last polls seemed to reflect this attitude in the general population. Her negatives are rising, and attitudes of non-Hillary supporters are hardening against her.

[Medusa]

95. Moi. I can't look at her, listen to her, even hearing about her

now disgusts me. I used to be such a strong supporter of both her and the Big Dawg but no more. I've washed my hands of both of them.

[Citizen Kang]

97. Its the campaign she's run that's disgusted me

First it was the sense of inevitability that annoyed me. Then the sense of entitlement that really bothered me. Now the "kitchen sink" strategy has completely pissed me off. She's running a campaign straight out of Rove's playbook. Thankfully, Democrats aren't as easily manipulated.

The major players of the Party are nicely and quietly telling her its time. Once she gets crushed in NC and Indiana the tidal wide of SD's will throw their support behind Obama and end this thing.

[AZBlue]

98. I actually supported her campaign at the start. Now I wouldn't support her election to the PTA.

[slinkerwink]

99. I really liked Hillary at the start of the primary season

[Strelnikov_]

100. Present

And to think I used to defend her.

[Beacool]

101. Loathing?????????

Heck, I don't think that Obama is fit to be president at this point in time, but I certainly don't loathe him.

What's the matter with some of you?????? Hate should not be in anybody's heart, let alone for a fellow Democrat.

If you must loath someone, then reserve your "loathing" for people like Bush and Cheney!!!!!!

Geez, this place is becoming more like a latrine on a daily basis............

:thumbsdown:

[EFerrari]

128. Hillary Clinton is apparently not fit to have custody of her own mouth

and you have no business telling other people what they should feel.

[Upton]

103. Yes

at the beginning of this election cycle, I assumed Hillary would be the nominee and was ready to vote for her. That's all changed and "loathing" would not be too strong of a word to describe my feelings towards her.

[ecdab]

104. My opinion of her as a Presidential candidate for the Democratic Party

Has dropped considerably, but loath - I'll save that for the Republicans.

[SOS]

105. Yes, on October 10, 2002

nt

[loveangelc]

106. me. I really liked her, looked up to her and even in 04 wanted her to run!

I think I even joined a group called Hillary in 04 or something.

I was so dumb then.lol

[Califooyah Operative]

107. A lot of us have. nt

[Arugula Latte]

108. I actually liked her quite a bit in the '90s.

At the start of this campaign I wasn't crazy about her.

Now, after seeing what she's all about and how low she is capable of going, I do loathe her.

[LWolf]

109. No.

I'm in the same place I was with HRC from the beginning; some respect, but no disillusionment about her at all, and no desire to see her in the WH.

I've gone from a cautious neutral for Obama to antipathy.

[Crunchy Frog]

110. Yes. n/t

[Yael]

111. I was done with Hillary Clinton back during travelgate and filegate

Color me unflexible, but once my trust is challenged, it is very difficult to get it back. I can be a real asshole about giving people a second chance.

The fastest way to lose my trust is to lie to me and then keep defending that lie once caught -- and demonstrating that you feel you are above the law and never have anything to apologize for.

The Clintons and the Bushes are cut out of the same cloth.

Sorry fellow Dems. I want to take back the government as badly as you all do -- but electing HRC to the top spot isn't how we go about it.

[HardWorkingDem]

129. But you know what is bad about these two examples...

in both of them the Clinton's got a raw deal.

Vanity Fair did a great article on TravelGate. I'd suggest looking it up. At one point the guy in charge (Billy bob whatever) was ready to plead to a lesser charge, but they wouldn't come down to it).

As for filegate, I can't recall the exact details, but I do know that the Clinton's did nothing out of the ordinary that other Presidents did not do.

[BklynChick]

112. i never liked her.

[against all enemies]

113. I used to like her and Nader, how things have changed.

[Raine]

114. Her and Bill ... BOTH

I used to just love those two now I can't tolerate either of them. :-(

[jakem]

115. yes.

[Mooney]

116. Not me, but I know quite a few people

who have gone from liking her to saying that they basically won't vote for her no matter what.

The more this process goes on, the more I get convinced that this is actually a pretty empty threat. I think eventually Democrats will come around and hold their noses and vote for whoever the nominee happens to be. But she's really alienated a lot of people, I don't think there's any denying that. Hopefully I'm right and it's not permanent.

[grantcart]

117. Last summer I thought she was clever and smart had it not been for Edwards

would have probably supported her.

Now it is so grating to listen to her. The thought of 8 years of listening to her is excruciating to me.

[totodeinhere]

118. I don't loath her. Obama could use her support in the general election...

and she could still have a productive political career. After all, she has fought for many progressive causes.

But having said that, some of the tactics that her campaign has employed are deplorable, and it would be in Hillary's best interest to knock it off.

[marlakay]

120. I went from liking Bill to disliking him

Hillary I never liked but would have voted for her before. Now I just refuse to even believe she has the tiniest hope to win. Glad I don't have to even think about it. Now I despise her for what she has done to us dems and us women. She has made us look bad.

[stillcool]

121. yup! Who knew?

I guess I should be thankful. I would never have guessed how down and dirty, and phony they are.

[IamyourTVandIownyou]

122. Chelsea 2016

not.

[graycem]

123. I have been somewhat disappointed..

but she's just a politician like all the rest. Of course it's about them. Even Obama's is about him to a degree, nobody's perfect, least of all a politician. They have to appeal to so many people in order to be elected that I think they have to compromise their principles etc. to a point.

I still think Bill was a good president. The problem here is, Hillary is no Bill Clinton... she doesn't have his personality and charisma to help her out of some similar mistakes that he made. All the womanizing scandals were able to be quieted by his charm drowning them out. In fact, to a large degree, Obama's campaign responses, etc, are very similar to Bill's campaign, Hope, It's the Economy, Stupid, and the confidence that he exudes, the way he manages to counter attacks with a smile on his face, never seeming flustered, putting his trust "in the American people." Rather ironic to me that they didn't try to copy their first successful campaing to a greater degree. Why didn't she run on hope?? It worked for Bill when our economy was in the crapper, and now it's working for Obama.

Couple that with the fact that they obviously greatly underestimated Obama's ability to gain this much strength in numbers, and bad advice from her campaign when they didn't have a backup plan for all of his success. That's the problem with arrogance, you hardly ever see your downfall coming. I feel bad for her because people always say they don't want the negative campaigning, yet, it usually works, so she had to give it a shot... we only have to look to 2004 for that example. They didn't realize this time, people really mean it. I really do hope they find a solution that we can all be happy with, so in the eyes of some, she can repair her reputation, and together we can all begin to repair the country. I will vote for whomever the Democratic nominee is, because even though it might not seem so at the moment, John McCain is the real enemy here everyone. Our mistake will be in believing it's each other, and we wind up with another 4 years of Bush by extension.

[VeraAgnes]

124. I like both of our candidates.

I don't pay any attention to the media games. I have donated to both.

Actually, I also gave to Biden and Edwards in December, 07. I also have an autographed book by Joe Biden. It is a treasure.

[sunnybrook]

125. I do not loathe her

I had always been a major supporter of both of the Clintons. I got to see her speak a few months ago and she was brilliant. It was so hard to decide on primary day I practically flipped a coin. Voted for HRC but since then I have been thoroughly disgusted with the direction and tone of her campaign. I am deeply disappointed in her and rooting for Obama.

[AlinPA]

126. I'm not loathing her, just badly disappointed with her campaigning.

[apocalypsehow]

127. Somewhat - more so some of her vile, serial-lying supporters.

For instance, I belong to another board, a strictly pro-Obama board, and several members there, who have my "real world" e-mail address, lurk at DU because they enjoy the latest breaking news, the pro-Obama posts, etc. One of them e-mails me last night and tells me claims - untrue claims - are being made about me by my *ignored* poster in a thread I was participating in.

This person e-mailed me the gist of these claims. Had that person not known both my "real world" e-mail address and DU identity, and had she not just *happened* to be lurking at DU, specifically GD: P, that claim would have stood un-refuted, and hundreds of DU'ers and outside lurkers would right now believe a patent falsehood about me (several falsehoods, in fact).*

This is the kind of thing that really goes beyond the pale, and why more than a few of her supporters have earned the unmitigated contempt of decent people everywhere.

(*partial repost)