Game plan: Beginning Monday Senators supporting HRC begin

[BenDavid]

telling Obama it is time to quit.

Convention Game Plan: Nobody said Hillary was stupid. By taking this fight to the convention, she's forcing Obama to become the guy who's against counting every vote. After the 2000 debacle, does Obama want to be that guy?

[Joe the Revelator]

1. Game Plan: If they do that, they'll sound like dopes, because...

they have no angle to base it on. I HOPE they try to tell the presumptive nominee to drop out. It will make the campaign a more complete laughingstock.

[DemVet]

52. The problem is...

...it could very well play out that way. Is it Hillary's fault those are the rules? No.

Hillary doesn't have to win...she just needs to prevent Obama from winning. Then when the superdelegates come into play, she has just as much chance as he does.

Is this the best way this whole process could be done?

No, absolutely not. If you don't like it, work to get the rules changed.

I have a feeling this may be the last primary season superdelegates are used.

[roguevalley]

64. Ignore bendavid. check his posts. he's a disruptor.

[lligrd]

2. Why Is She Challenging Texas Caucus Votes Then?

Does she want Texans to be disenfranchised?

[anamandujano]

37. I hope she is. Thanks for that info.

It never hurts to make sure everything is on the up and up.

[lligrd]

39. Nothings On The Up And Up

What they would discover if they actually looked in to it was that a slew of Hillary's not-caucus votes came from Rush Limbaugh's minions. But I guess that doesn't bother you.

[anamandujano]

43. I'm for discovering anything shady. You are obviously for a cover up.

[lligrd]

44. You Obviously Know Nothing About Me nt

[The_Casual_Observer]

3. It's always about Hillary not having the votes.

Never mind that Obama doesn't have them either.

[Joe the Revelator]

5. You're failing to grasp the simple truth here

He doesn't have the votes, you're right, but there is no scenario, barring a political miracle the likes of which have NEVER been seen, and no prudent person could expect to happen, where Hillary is able to overcome his lead on her.

[The_Casual_Observer]

9. What simple truth? He either has the votes or he doesn't.

Go take your condescending bullshit someplace else, sailor.

[Joe the Revelator]

11. Well, my point has been proven.

Thanks.

[The_Casual_Observer]

Your point is shit

You stand for shit.

[Joe the Revelator]

23. And you apparently can't refute it.

What does that make you, friend?

Do you know some super secret way that Hillary can take the lead? Pie-in-the-sky bullshit will not be given full credit.

[DemVet]

49. I can...

If neither candidate has enough votes by the convention...superdelegates come into play. If you think the superdelegates are going to vote for Obama just because he's leading in delegates or has the popular vote, you just may be mistaken.

No, at that point Hillary has just as much chance to win as Obama does. That's a fact.

[PseudoIntellect]

12. (Math not necessary)

[Beacool]

16. He doesn't have the votes

and if these supporters of his (Leahy, Dodd, etc.) keep pissing off the rest of us by demanding that Hillary drop out it will back fire. Let's see how many of us will vote for their guy in November.

[Joe the Revelator]

27. Taking your ball and going home, huh?

Going to become a Nader supporter or really cross over to the dark side and support McCain?

Have fun standing on your principals with that choice.

[Beacool]

30. Hmmm, maybe Nader, write-in her name

or vote for everyone else on the ballot except president.

:shrug:

[Joe the Revelator]

31. Way to be. Glad to know now that the party can't count on you because you feel the need to be a brat

Why not just peel off now? Why talk about it?

[Beacool]

33. I'm not a brat.

I'm Obama's age and have dedicated plenty of years to the party, donating my time, money and holding fundraisers (not all of Hillary's supporters are working class and uneducated). It's precisely because I know the people involved and the wheeling and dealing that goes behind the scenes is that I will not vote for Obama. IMO he is not fit to be president at this point in time.

[Joe the Revelator]

38. But you feel that McCain or Nader ARE fit to be President

wow.

[cali]

41. As I said

contemptible. Disgusting.

[DemVet]

53. Yeah

How dare someone go against "the presumptive nominee."

Simply appalling. :sarcasm:

[cali]

40. anyone who does that, be they Obama supporters or Hill supporters

is simply a petty person who doesn't give a damn about how many people die in Iraq or choice or the economy or the poor or choice or civil rights or anything else. Contemptible.

[Forkboy]

4. Game plan: Beginning right now I'm laughing at you.

:rofl:

[NanceGreggs]

7. I was going to post something here ...

... but I can't top that.

But the OP does have a point. As long as we don't count the little states, the unimportant states, the caucus states, and everyone who has voted for Obama so far - Hillary has a lot of votes.

[Forkboy]

25. Oh those niggling details.

;)

[sudopod]

15. I agree with your views

and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

[Forkboy]

24. LOL

Forkboy Weekly would be all about Godzilla and strange music.

Saaaaay....maybe I'm onto something. :think:

[sudopod]

36. The intarnets are a huge place

You KNOW there's a readership out there! ^_^

[mckeown1128]

6. Ummm.. Hillary was the one who said it would be over by Feb 5th..

I guess she didn't want to count the states after Super Tuesday.

[ossman]

8. Isnt it Hillary talking about swiping ELECTED delegates? How pro-vote counting!

[Mooney]

17. She wants them counted after she swipes them.

Democracy in action.

[bhikkhu]

10. Another "under the bus" analogy...

But that is where HRC will have to throw the voting population of Democrats to achieve a victory at the convention. I am not saying it can't be done, but I am saying it would be a disastrous idea, far beyond any imagined disaster of Obama's 2008 supposed unelectability.

[Johnny__Motown]

13. Delusional... what monday are you talking about.. one in 2012?

[ossman]

14. exactely. Now they are just pissing off the future POTUS.

[anamandujano]

34. He's pretty pissy about everything.

[ossman]

35. I don't like annoying mosquitos either.

[tishaLA]

63. 2016

[Life Long Dem]

18. The word is "compromise"

Hillary Rodham Clinton did not, repeat after me... "compromise". Actually Dean didn't have to suggest anything when the states broke the rules.

[TheDeathadder]

19. Funny because the original plan the Obama people had

was to take it all the way to the convention. They studied the DNC plan for the Primary and saw how the delegates would be given out in proportion. They knew they could go all the way to the Convention trailing the leader and make a case at the convention. They had a plan of focusing on Small Caucus States instead of Big Primary States. Once they got in the lead though, it was all "It will hurt the party if this goes to the convention."

Edwards also had the same plan to go all the way to the convention trailing the leader. That was his main goal. He ended up too far behind and was being shadowed by the whole Obama VS Clinton, so he figured he wouldn't have a strong case at the convention.

So basically what I'm saying is...Obama is a cream puff who's not coming out of the convention the nominee. Clinton is going to go on to bury McCain and become President sending "Wish You Were Here" Postcards of the White House to Obama who will be on permanent vacation in the Virgin Islands.

[avrdream]

20. Obama doesn't appear to give a shit about being that guy.

He just wants to fuck things up for the Democrats.

I say he drops out NOW, before it gets too ugly.

[Life Long Dem]

21. You mean the states fucked things up.

[NanceGreggs]

28. Yeah, the guy who's ahead ...

... should drop out NOW to make room for the candidate who's behind.

That makes sense - democracy in action, and all that.

[Whisp]

22. hand up here, yah, I think she's stupid..

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[Life Long Dem]

29. She's a puppet.

[Asgaya Dihi]

32. Does she want to be them?

You ask if Obama wants to be that guy, but what about her? Isn't her argument that when all is said and done the Superdelegates have every right to disenfranchise the voters and override them because the rules allow it? The arguments are too convenient... primaries are cool, caucuses somehow undemocratic but even less democratic superdelegates are ok again. There's no consistency to the logic other than does it work to her advantage or not.

Is that who she wants to be?

It would have been great if that kitchen sink strat had never come out but it did, and once one side starts swinging it you can't expect the other to stand there and take it. The whole campaign never should have gone this direction and she's far enough behind that though not a mathematical impossibility it's highly unlikely that she can catch him. That leaves her in either the same position as Huckabee was, not a math major but hoping for a miracle, or hoping to disenfranchise us through the superdelegates.

It's not a good position for either candidate right now and the sooner we get this crap done with the better. It's McCain who is more the winner with this strat so far.

[FatDave]

42. Yeah, and we're the cult.

:eyes:

[SKKY]

45. Quit? While we're ahead? Huh??

:shrug: :wtf: kind of sense does that make?

[chascarrillo]

46. Coherency: Not a bad thing.

[AmericanUnity]

47. I'M BEGINNING TO DISLIKE HILLARY CLINTON AS MUCH AS I DISLIKE GEORGE BUSH

[cooolandrew]

48. Ok we're in for the long haul then. Got to admit you got us there.

[Warren Stupidity]

50. Please list the names of those senators.

I want to be absolutely clear on Tuesday how accurate your bullshit is.

[izzybeans]

51. Would that be the first time in history that party leaders tried to short circuit

the front runner then?

[UALRBSofL]

54. BenDavid, that would be a good game plan

Turn around is fair play. Obama trying to undermine Hillary's campaign is very undemocratic and he just needs a dose of his own medicine.

[dionysus]

55. huffing glue is bad for you.

[rainbow4321]

56. Translation:

HRC needs something to bury Monday's headlines that Obama has won Texas this weekend.

[Bigleaf]

57. If you think this is going to the convention, you are sadly mistaken.

The Supers will be deciding before that point. The Party leaders want the rift to be over ASAP between both candidates supporters, align behind the nominee, and to begin the GE campaign earlier rather than too late.

[AX10]

58. k/r

Let all the states vote, all the votes counted Mr. Obama.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

59. Obama's got Hagel....Hagel owns ES&S the company that counts all the votes

[KoKo]

62. If all else fails with the SD's....there's always the "vote counting."

:rofl:

[Inuca]

66. I do hope this is a joke, right? n/f

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

60. If that's their plan they're even more incompetent than they appear.

While that kind of tactic might have made sense immediately after Texas and Ohio, it makes no sense at all for it to happen now. None. And quite frankly it's every bit as laughable as Hillary offering him the VP slot. But then again, considering the usual tenor of your posts, I'm pretty sure you're just pulling it out of your arse.

[XemaSab]

61. Right.

n/t

[dailykoff]

65. Right, Senators Kyl, Lieberman, and McCain.

But first Senator Craig will tap it out in Morse Code on the Senate washroom floor. :crazy: