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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 03:56 AM
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Neocons in the Democratic Party
Edited on Sat Mar-29-08 04:03 AM by Emit
This article, Neocons in the Democratic Party, (further down below) is from 2006, but relevant still, nonetheless.

First, however, take note that one of the newer additions to the Democratic Leadership Council is Marshall Wittmann, former aide to Sen. John McCain (R. Ariz.). He was Director of Communications for Independent U.S. Senator Joseph Lieberman, he was the Christian Coalition's director of legislative affairs (he worked for Ralph Reed), he is a senior fellow at the conservative Hudson Institute, was the creator of The Bull Moose blog, is now a senior fellow at DLC/PPI and he has been contributing to the DLC's online magazine, Blueprint Magazine, since at least 2002. In his support of Lieberman's run against Ned Lamont, he often referred to on line liberal bloggers as the "chattering nutroots." (madfloridian gets these things)

According to Matt Taibbi, Wittman wanted to run for Democratic Party Chairman:

DLC Moose shit

A Letter to Marshall Wittman

by Matt Taibbi

What about a (Democratic Party) Chairman who hails from the reddest of red states, a former Republican, ex-union official who worked with devout Christians and is Jewish and has well-defined ties to the McCainiac-independent voter? And all of the candidates express their appreciation of the power of the Internet, why not a Chairman who resides there? The Moose—what's not to like!

The antlered one could certainly give the donkey a well-placed kick in the behind and transform him into a reform animal. And the Moose certainly knows the adversary since he was once privy to the counsels of the DeLays, Santorums, Norquists and Reeds.

The Moose shouldn't make a hasty decision. Perhaps he should embark upon a listening tour of the blogosphere and hear from the Mooseketeers.

—Marshall Wittmann

How about it, Mooseketeers? Marshall Wittmann, the former legislative director for the Christian Coalition and also a veteran talking head of such excellent organizations as the Heritage Foundation and the Hudson Institute (which hypes him as "one of the nation's most quoted analysts"), offers himself as a candidate for the chair of the Democratic Party. Wittmann, you see, is now an operative at the Democratic Leadership Council—he got the policy operative spot that opened up when Al From and Bruce Reed were tipped off that their initial choice, Mobutu Sese Seko, had been dead for years. So they brought in Wittmann, whose chief credentials were that he used to stand guard for Ralph Reed at church rest rooms whenever the latter ducked out of evening mass to jerk off to Ranger Rick centerfolds...
http://buffalobeast.com/66/wittman.htm

Here is what Wittman has said about Hillary Clinton's stance on Iraq:

Hillary's Moment

The Moose argues that the presumptive '08 Democratic front-runner has an opportunity.

Since the '04 election, Senator Clinton has done virtually everything right in her potential quest to seek the Presidency. Unlike much of the national Democratic Party, she has absorbed the lessons of the defeat. Senator Clinton deeply realizes that in order for the party to win the White House they must be credible on national security and not disparage the values of traditionalist voters.

Meanwhile the national Democrats (as opposed to the Governors) have highlighted the weaknesses of the party. In the past week, the Senate Judiciary Democrats celebrated the type of annoying political correctness that has alienated so many traditionalist voters. On the national security front, the Pelosis and Deans have reminded voters why they distrust the party on the issue of national defense. And Al Gore has done no favors for Democrats who are attempting to project a centrist and sensible image.

In contrast, Hillary has not back-tracked on her position on Iraq and she continues to decry the coarsening of the culture. Of course, sometimes she is guilty of rhetorical excess, but what politician isn't (the Moose would prefer the term "bordello" to describe the House)? And now, she has an opportunity to further convince voters that she is a "different kind of Democrat." ...
Cont'd:http://bullmooseblogger.blogspot.com/2006/01/hillarys-moment.html


To the Senator, however, immediate withdrawal is the “big mistake,” and her position has drawn fire from the anti-war left and put her in a group of Senators that Marshall Wittmann, a conservative Democrat who is close to Senator John McCain, labeled “the coalition of the adults.”

“She’s a charter member,” Mr. Wittmann said of a group that also includes Mr. McCain, retired General Wesley Clark and Senator Joe Biden of Delaware, who, like Mrs. Clinton, is eyeing the 2008 Presidential contest. “She has stood by her position from the very beginning. She has been critical of the administration’s prosecution of the war, but she has stood by her position that the war was right.”
http://www.observer.com/node/37992


''She understands the weaknesses in the Democratic Party perhaps better than anyone else," said Marshall Wittmann, a senior fellow at the centrist Democratic Leadership Council. ''The party will not be taken seriously by the American people unless it believes it will defend them."
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/07/14/sen_clinton_unveils_bill_to_boost_army_strength/?page=2


They're back ... they've been here and more keep coming ... coming to rest their hawkish wings once again in the Democratic party via the DLC.

Neocons in the Democratic Party

By Jacob Heilbrunn,
The Los Angeles Times

May 28, 2006

DON'T LOOK now, but neoconservatism is making a comeback - and not among the
Republicans who have made it famous but in the Democratic Party.

A host of pundits and young national security experts associated with the
party are calling for a return to the Cold War precepts of President Truman
to wage a war against terror that New Republic Editor Peter Beinart, in the
title of his provocative new book, calls "The Good Fight."

~snip~

This new crop of liberal hawks calls for expanding the existing war against
terrorism, beefing up the military and promoting democracy around the globe
while avoiding the anti-civil liberties excesses of the Bush administration.
... These Democrats want to be seen as anything but the squishes who have led
the party to defeat in the past. Interestingly, that's how the early neocons
saw themselves too: as liberals fighting to reclaim their party's true
heritage - before they decamped to the GOP in the 1980s.

Indeed, the credo of the new Democratic hawks is eerily reminiscent of the
neocons of the 1970s, who ran a full-page ad in the New York Times called
"Come Home, Democrats" after George McGovern's crushing defeat, in a play on
his campaign slogan "Come Home, America." In it, early neocons such as Jeane
Kirkpatrick and Norman Podhoretz called for a return to the principles of -
you guessed it - Truman and President Kennedy.

~snip~

Now, a generation later, as the crusading Republican neoconservatism
espoused by Weekly Standard Editor William Kristol and others lies in the
smoking rubble of Baghdad, a new generation of Democrats wants to dust off
and rehabilitate those traditional Democratic principles...

~snip~

Where will all this lead? To an internecine Democratic war, of course.

~snip~

Just as the old neocons wanted to expel the McGovernites, so the new ones
want to rid the party of the Moveon.org types and move it to the right. ...

~snip~

The Moveon.org types are hardly prepared to go down without a fight. At the
moment, with no end to the imbroglio in Iraq in sight, they - the populist
left - are poised for their greatest influence in the party since the
McGovern era. The new Democratic hawks, like the old neoconservatives of the 1970s,
represent an insurgency, a direct challenge to the establishment. And if
they are to revamp the party, they will have to do a lot more than simply
evoke the ghost of Truman and Co.

Still, it is amusing to see that at the very moment when hawkish realists
are trying to extirpate the neocon credo in the Republican Party, it's being
revived in the Democratic Party that first brought it to life.

http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/2006/2006-May/010989.html

edit typo
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 04:01 AM
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1. Yup, jus like them termites...Tragic.....
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 04:05 AM
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2. What a nauseating prospect
Another reason not to nominate or elect Hilly. Everything Dean has achieved would be targeted for destruction. We can't keep Dean no matter what, but do we really want to turn the DNC over to the Clinton wing again?
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 04:12 AM
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3. What Do You Mean We Can't Keep Dean? nt
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 04:21 AM
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4. It's traditional for the presidential candidate to replace the DNC head.
Hillary would most definitely not ask him to stay on. Obama might, but probably not, but we can tell from the way Obama runs his campaign that he would choose someone who is grassroots friendly and 50-state friendly.

I have heard that Howard will be coming back to DFA. As a longtime member, I'd like that.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 05:00 AM
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8. Dean has said he'll step down as chair in Jan of next year
I'm hoping Obama will name him as Sec of Health and Human Services. He'd be fantastic in that position.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 01:13 PM
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20. I Hadn't Heard That And Yes He Would Be Great
in that position.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 04:28 AM
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5. It is a coaltion party which is the downside. Wiser to be careful how we label fellow democrats ....
..really. Lieberman is at least independent now
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 04:40 AM
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6. Yep. Lieberman was Obama's senate mentor, and Casey, an uberconservative Dem, just endorsed the guy
so ya gotta watch it when suggesting that any candidate is all one way or the other.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 05:04 AM
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9. LOL! It;'s funny to watch a hillbot repeat a stupid lie
Everyone knows that Lieberman was assigned to Obama to guide him through Senate protocol and procedure. That's it. Oh, and Pat Leahy, Teddy Kennedy and John Kerry also endorsed Obama, genius. No matter how much hillbots try and twist their records, they are the liberal lions of the Senate. Who like that supports Hilly? Boxer? Hardly a ringing endorsement. Of course she does have the endorsements of such Senate stellars as Stabenow and slimy Schumer.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 05:31 AM
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11. It isn't a stupid lie. It's TRUE. In fact, Lieberman helped Obama out VERY recently
Or should I say, he helped out his CHURCH with an IRS problem that INVOLVED Obama, his protege. http://www.christianpost.com/article/20080321/31613_Lieberman_Questions_IRS_Probe_of_Obama%5C's_Church_Speech.htm


    WASHINGTON (AP) - Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut is questioning the Internal Revenue Service's investigation of the United Church of Christ for a speech Sen. Barack Obama gave at the denomination's national meeting last year after he began his presidential run.

    Lieberman asked the IRS in a letter to explain how it could meet the required threshold of a "reasonable belief" that a church has engaged in improper political activity if had not contacted church officials before starting the investigation.

    He also called the inquiry "especially troubling" because the agency hasn't given churches adequate guidance about what's allowed.

    "Throughout my career in the Senate, I have supported the strong and fair enforcement of our nation's tax laws, including laws applicable to religious institutions," wrote Lieberman, an independent and former Democratic vice presidential candidate. "But I am concerned about the chilling effect on legitimate activity by religious organizations ..."

    Obama, a member of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, spoke about faith and public life at the denomination's General Synod in Hartford, Conn., last June.

    The IRS said in the letter, made public by the denomination, that it was concerned about articles posted on the church's Web site and other sites stating Obama had addressed nearly 10,000 people at the event. The agency also said Obama volunteers had staffed campaign tables "outside the center to promote his campaign.".......



Yes, Lieberman was assigned, but YES, they have a mentor-protege relationship.

Why is that so hard for you to understand? There are a hundred senators, they're very .... collegial.

John Kerry is best friends with none other than TRENT LOTT..."GENIUS."

:eyes:
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 10:35 AM
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15. It is in Lieberman's best interest to assist Obama, no doubt
after all, Obama may be POTUS one day, and alienating the Democratic POTUS would not be a wise idea for these neocons.

Rahm Emanuel enjoys a close relationship with Obama, as well, and has been reticent to back either Clinton or Obama to date. However, Obama has distanced himself from the DLC; Clinton embraces the DLC. There's a difference, IMO.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 03:59 PM
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23. Lieberman quite recently came to Obama's aid with the United Church of Christ IRS problem. And he
did it because Obama is his Senate protege. Post 22 has a reference.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 03:00 AM
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29. They do have much in common
Being senators for one. It is a CLUB. And a small one at that.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:20 AM
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30. Not all US Senators are neocons
just some
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hulka38 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 11:23 AM
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17. Obama's Senate mentor is the Senior Senator from Illinois and Assistant Majority Leader
Dick Durbin. There should be no need to elaborate on this MADem as it is perfectly obvious. The logic and spin on display here comes from the same place that compels Hillary supporters to spout that her vote for the IWR means that she was against the war. In other words, you believe things because you want them to be true. Having a basis in fact or reality is beside the point.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 03:57 PM
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22. Nope. He isn't. You've misstated the facts, to put it nicely, and I will prove it
with a cite--something you don't do:

    HARTFORD, Conn. --U.S. Sen. Barack Obama rallied Connecticut Democrats at their annual dinner Thursday night, throwing his support behind mentor and Senate colleague Joe Lieberman....."The fact of the matter is, I know some in the party have differences with Joe. I'm going to go ahead and say it," Obama told the 1,700-plus party members who gathered in a ballroom at the Connecticut Convention Center for the $175-per-head fundraiser.

    "I am absolutely certain Connecticut is going to have the good sense to send Joe Lieberman back to the U.S. Senate so he can continue to serve on our behalf," he said.

    Obama received widespread attention for his keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention, delivered while he was still a state senator.

    Lieberman became Obama's mentor when Obama was sworn into the Senate in 2005. They stayed close at Thursday night's event, too, entering the room together and working the crowd in tandem.

    http://boston.com/news/local/connecticut/articles/2006/03/31/obama_rallies_state_democrats_throws_support_behind_lieberman/




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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 06:05 PM
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26. I have read that
Obama was assigned to Joe Lieberman, but that Dick Durbin was also Obama's mentor. :shrug:

Who cares? Ned Lamont has endorsed Obama.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 06:53 PM
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27. I simply provided a cite that backed up what I said. Who cares, indeed, but facts matter.
Obama campaigned for his mentor. And Mentor Joe continues to assist his protege even at this late juncture, even while supporting McCain.

I haven't read anywhere that Durbin was or is Obama's "mentor." Durbin is the senior senator, Obama the junior. There's that relationship, certainly, and there's the relationship between all members of the IL delegation.

The most significant thing I've read about Durbin is that he stepped on his crank and damaged Obama trying to "help" in the Wright mess: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/03/durbin-misspoke.html

Joe is trying to cover the bases. He's not stupid, in any event.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 06:07 AM
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13. Obama the con?
he is conservative in so many ways.

I am so sorry that is this election of all elections we are settling for a very conservative democrat.

What a damn shame it will be. What a lost opportunity to actually turn the country around.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 04:38 PM
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25. He's a triangulator on steroids, otherwise.
McClurkin, clean coal, General Dynamics....we'll get out of Iraq in a YEAR and a HALF...!

It ain't over yet, though.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 08:47 PM
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28. Mr. Divider with a full deck of race and identity cards
in play.
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 04:58 AM
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7. Where is Edgar Hoover when you need him
These commi's need to be locked up and shackled. Hurry get the FBI on the job now. This is as funny as the gossip going around that Obama is a Al-Qaeda operative, Manchurian Candidate. :rofl:
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 01:12 PM
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19. What's funny about it?
Seriously? :shrug:
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 05:07 AM
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10. lol
I know there's a similar rant in the Republican party about RINO's like Christie Todd Whitman, and oh YEAH, John McCain, ironically.
Face the fact that not all dems are progressive. At least Liebermann's an Independant now. Good Riddance.
Yes, lets oust every single member who is not progressive enough for us. Way to strengthen the party.:eyes: :puke:
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 12:08 PM
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18. So, you think the Democrats should adopt the Neoconservative Foreign Policy
in order to be inclusive and in keeping with our 'big tent' philosophy? :shrug:
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KingOfLostSouls Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 06:03 AM
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12. FUCK THE DLC
pardon my french

but fuck the DLC

fuck all of them, fuck each of them with giant camel dicks until they feel the pain that troops dying in the desert feel.

fuck the DLC neocon bullshit and may god level his vengeance upon them above all others.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 10:29 AM
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14. kick n/t
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 11:04 AM
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16. They're known as NeoLibs if they're Democrats.
They're just better at masquerading as benevolent colonialists.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 01:41 PM
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21. neoliberalism-modern version of colonialism-extractive-exploitive corporate-us foreign policy
Edited on Sat Mar-29-08 01:43 PM by crankychatter
just sayin'
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 04:03 PM
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24. Excellent!!
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 05:10 PM
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31. Didn't Scaife fund a lot of the neoconservative agenda?
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