Hillary and Bill won't endorse Obama when he wins the nomination

[senseandsensibility]

I've heard this repeatedly on DU, and even on cable news programs. I find it extremely hard to believe. Does anyone really think this?

In my opinion, this would be the end of both of their careers, so self interest alone would make such a move a non starter.:shrug: But maybe I'm wrong.

[Infinite Hope]

1. They'll endorse as they've said they will. But...

...they'll sabotage Obama's campaign as much as possible before exiting so she can run in 2012...possibly as Governor of New York.

[Oleladylib]

13. Lord, we need a female governor...these men have hormonal excesses.

[shadowknows69]

34. Yeah but a Governor that will be campaiging for President

From day one in the Captiol, no thanks.

[Metta]

2. I'd consider the source. I suspect it's people putting their own preferences out there.

Some people can't be up unless someone else is down.

[Raven]

3. I could see them sitting the race out. I never would have thought such a thing

six months ago but now I think it is entirely possible. The problem is 2012 and that just may be too tempting for them.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

4. it is total BS!

[SoFlaJet]

5. the longer this goes on, I swear

it's looking to THIS democrat that the REAL power hungry person is Bill, he seems to be the one pushing her and saying the most stupid shit out on the trail.

[bluestateguy]

6. They'll endorse

I'm not sure how much they would campaign for the ticket, but that could be overdone anyway. This will be Obama's race to win or lose on his own.

[Benhurst]

19. Yeah, they'll endorse, probably in the same way Edward Kennedy

endorsed Jimmy Carter in 1980, after losing to him in the primary elections and further dividing the party.

[Ravy]

7. After calling them racist, liars, self-serving bigots who are determined

to destroy the Democratic Party, shouldn't the Obama camp denounce and reject the support of the Clinton's and her supporters?

That seems to be the honest thing to do.

[althecat]

8. I like the framing...

:)

:bounce:

:kick:

[Autumn]

9. They will endorse him

and will campaign for him.

[Blue_In_AK]

10. Of course, they will.

[VeraAgnes]

11. I have never heard that;

ever.I hope you are not starting false rumors.

[senseandsensibility]

14. Oh yeah, your "hope" is noted

I'm a well known liar and starter of false rumors on DU.

[VolcanoJen]

35. Filthy liar! Rumor-mongerer!

:rofl:

:hi: senseandsensibility! :hi:

[senseandsensibility]

39. Finally! I am recognized for my lying and smearing techniques

Feels good! And, for the first time, I have been alerted on, according to some posts below. Out of the shadows, into the sunlight. It's a whole new senseandsensibility now!

[sniffa]

12. Will they endorse the front of his kneecap, or the back?

The back is much worse, as it's not repairable.

[senseandsensibility]

15. LOL

You're bad.

[mmonk]

16. They will endorse him if he becomes the nominee.

I don't see them hurting themselves in this regard.

[Warren Stupidity]

17. Endorse and not support is my guess.

They will play for 2012.

[IDemo]

18. "He's almost as patriotic as McCain, and not a Muslim, that we know of!"

[Orangepeel]

20. They'll do as much for Obama as they did for Kerry.

The good and the bad.

[LWolf]

21. I won't endorse Obama if he wins the nomination.

Of course, I won't endorse Clinton, should she win, and my voice doesn't exactly "count," lol.

[Bensthename]

23. But he can't win with out your endoresement..

[LWolf]

27. Since when?

If that's the case, if my endorsement means that much, perhaps the rest of my fellow Democrats should have listened more than a year ago when I explained, loudly, clearly, and repeatedly, that I would not be endorsing any centrist/corporatist/3rd way/"new" dem nominee.

I believe the conventional wisdom is that people like me will "get in line" because they have to; because they "have no other choice," and therefore, no endorsement is needed.

[senseandsensibility]

29. I think the poster is being sarcastic

Nevertheless, I still hope you'll reconsider.

[Two Americas]

37. "endorse"

I agree with you and this whole loyalty test nonsense is a crock. Every four years I get out and work my ass off and actually convert many people to vote for whatever useless candidate the party puts out there, but no, that is not enough for the zealots. One must also speak no heresy about the candidate and continually repeat that you "support" or "endorse" the candidate - in other words, love them or something, or knuckle under and say that you agree with them politically. Shut up about your political opinions if they interfere with the hero worship and lovefest going on.

WTF does me loving some candidate have to do with the Supreme Court, for example? All of this loyalty test stuff is to get people to shut up - to not criticize the candidate, so as to cause no dissonance in the minds of the true believers, who themselves may or may not actually DO anything to get the candidate elected.

The candidates suck - as always - and we work our asses off to get them elected - as always - and then vote for them - as always - and I think in the meantime we ought to be free to say whatever the Hell we want to say. The voters and non-voters I talk to and successfully persuade to vote Dem have a lot more respect and are much more likely to listen if I am NOT a true blue loyal rah rah sycophant for the candidate.

This pressure to say nothing critical about the party or the nominees reminds me more of some evangelical religious pitch than it does politics.

"Have you accepted John Kerry as your personal candidate?"

[LWolf]

38. OMG

"Have you accepted John Kerry as your personal candidate?"

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

While it's really no laughing matter, I thank you for so clearly stating my take on politics as usual.

:applause:

[Two Americas]

41. hey, am I wrong?

Isn't that how it is? lol

(TA laughing so I don't cry about it...)

:rofl:

You can take the person out of the religion, but it is not so easy taking the religion out of the person.

"Kerry ran for your sins. Suffered and lost the election to redeem your values."

[LWolf]

43. No, you're not wrong.

[senseandsensibility]

24. Please support the Dem nominee

Think of the Supreme Court, if nothing else. I am very disappointed in our two choices as well. But another repug administration would be a disaster.

[Two Americas]

44. define "support"

Is this enough -

In addition to the usual (and largely useless) volunteering (telemarketing, and Jehovah's Witness door-to-door selling - two things that the public hates more than anything) every election I take it upon myself to be responsible for personally persuading at least 100 people, non-voters or Republican voters one-on-one - to voting for the Dem candidates - no matter how bad they are, how difficult they are to promote, and no matter how many times they run terrible campaigns and lose. I have been doing that successfully for 40 years. And then of course I personally vote for whatever yahoo got nominated.

Does that qualify as "support" or must I also suppress myself, not express my opinions, show true-blue undying hero worship loyalty, and play the rah rah school spirit true-believer zealot, as well?

What if the first approach actually gets more Democratic votes, while the second drives people away? Is it still more important to have the right spirit and beliefs than it is to get the job done and get results?

What is this "support" and "loyalty" that people are demanding of us?

[adoraz]

22. no, they will

but in their minds they will hate doing so.

they will need to endorse him afterwards if they want to stay in the party.

[SoCalDem]

25. They will endorse him like they endorsed Gore & Kerry

Tepid support, with double entendres and coded words..

If Obama is the candidate, Hillary's '12 campaign begins about 15 minutes after she concedes the '08 nomination to him..

She might have a surprise in store for her when she runs for re-election for the senate, if she's perceived as the one responsiblle for a McCain presidency..

But who knows? she and Bill have had pretty nice things to say about John...maybe he'll offer her a cabinet post.. That would burnish her credentials for a '12 run..

[democrattotheend]

28. Exactly

I have been saying for weeks that she would drag this out to hurt his chances in November and run again in 2012, and nobody believed me. The fact that Kerry endorsed Obama was a telling sign for me. I have to believe that if the Clintons had done everything they could for him in 2004 he would have at least held back.

[applegrove]

26. They'll endorse him wholeheartedly.

[helderheid]

30. Of course they will.

[niceypoo]

31. Flame bait

[Seabiscuit]

32. I concur, and have alerted the mods. This kind of crap has no place on DU.

[jillan]

33. Hillary has many times said she would. And has even told her supporters to support the nominee,

whoever it is.


Someone is just trying to start rumors.
What a surprise.

[joshcryer]

40. Obama on the other hand has said "she won't get his votes," and his wife said she'd have to think...

...about it.

[Life Long Dem]

36. That is bullshit.

Was it Thursday she said she heard dems were thinking of voting repub. She said do not even think of going to McCain or the repubs. Don't go there. I don't know what that was all about because it seemed the opposite of where she was driving her supporters.

[JerseygirlCT]

42. They'll endorse, but not do much at all to help get him elected. nt

[GoldieAZ49]

45. After Obama & Co has labeled them racist?

I am shocked they wouldn't endorse such an arrogant little ass.

I cannot believe Obama and his supporters would even ask!

Not

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

ya'll don't need Clinton and her supporters! You have your Obamacans and indies to vote for Obama.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: