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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 12:00 PM
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Don't Drop Out, Hillary!
Stay in the race. Let this primary process play out until there is a clear winner. Make your best case to the voters in the upcoming Democratic Primaries.

But play by the rules, and play honestly, and don't promote the opposition candidate - that's heresy. John McCain is wearing a George W. Bush costume, but it's who he really has become. HIS idea of a health care program is to have employers give employees money to buy health insurance - a thinly-veiled proposition to keep things just as they are, or more likely, worse. How can you endorse that? Or staying in Iraq until "we" achieve victory - how does that work, exactly? And what will you achieve by tacitly endorsing him, if you DO become our nominee? Nothing good, for sure.

Play by the rules - the Democratic nomination is won by counting delegates - not popular votes, not momentum, not by counting results from previously disqualified state primaries. Delegates. Just go out and win them, and don't try to change the rules in the middle of the game because they don't suit your purpose. You and all the other candidates agreed, in writing, to abide by those rules, and you MUST now abide by them - your legitimacy as a candidate depends on it.

And lastly, reign in your attack dogs. If you have real, true, relevant yet negative points to make about your opponent, make them yourself. Or keep it out of the campaign. The same goes for Mr. Obama. Lets focus on the issues, let's focus on the economy and the "war" and the true value of experience versus judgment.

The path to the nomination is clear, and has been clear all along. Stay in the race, and play by the rules.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 12:03 PM
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1. I like your message
But Im afraid thats one phone call Hillary wont answer no matter what time of the day she gets it.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 12:06 PM
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2. I think you may be right.
:shrug:
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 12:07 PM
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3. What exactly are "the rules?"
There is no such thing as "rules" in politics. There is no such thing as dirty politics.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 12:08 PM
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4. You are wrong.
And you know it. Wake up and smell the paradigm shift.
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 12:21 PM
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10. By the "rules", you mean she must play nice?
Nope, I'm not wrong. As long as she's within the bounds of our legal system, Hillary can use anything within her means to defeat Obama.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 12:49 PM
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17. If she's NOT going to "play nice"...
but continue to complain about opposition attacks and decry "disenfranchised" MI and FL voters, then she should just drop out now. She will need some kind of credibility to gain any kind of legitimacy in August.

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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:37 AM
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31. And if she plays dirty politics the American people can take notice and reject her for that.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 12:15 PM
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6. Constitution
The people should pick their own representatives. Not the party leaders should pick the winner.
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 12:20 PM
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9. You may be correct
Hell, I even agree with you.

But that's not the way the current "rules" are set up, is it?
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 12:34 PM
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13. "All's fair in love and war", --
and now, politics.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 01:12 PM
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18. Not according to the World Court and the Geneva Convention
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:34 AM
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30. There are rules in the party and the members who belong
Edited on Sun Mar-30-08 08:43 AM by mac2
agree to abide by them.

At the DNC convention we need to change the primaries a lot shorter, with financial limits, and on the same day in every state. None of this "small states decide" the winner for the rest of the country.

Super Delegates are also out since their vote has more weight than each person. It is unconstitutional from what I can tell. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_rights#Manhood_suffrage

It's like back room politics and cronyism. Promise them a job and money to support you. It leads to corruption and bad government.

At the DNC Convention a VP should be picked by the DNC delegates not a Presidential candidate on their own. They can suggest a running mate but not have the final say. If that was the case we would not have had Lieberman as VP running with Gore. Lieberman might have been liked by insiders of the party in DC but not the party members. The Lieberman lost votes may have resulted in such a close election...allowing it to be stolen.

It is important since a VP can become President after four or eight years. That's how it was done when I was young.

That's how I see it anyway.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 12:14 PM
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5. What are Democrats trying to do?
Edited on Sat Mar-29-08 01:04 PM by mac2
CNN had Leahey (Congressman who demands hearings but does little to enforce the law or impeach this President) on saying Hillary should step down. How about the people deciding that in the primaries? Should we care what any other politicians thinks?

First they ask Edwards and Kucinich to step out of the election before Super Tuesday (both Progressives which this country wants). Then they deny Florida and Michigan their primary status. They demand delegates support certain candidates...which narrows the choices of Americans. Now they are demanding Clinton get out...leaving only Obama?

Yes...they stole the Primaries before the election. Now it is a selection just like the others since 2000. They blamed Republicans for fraud and dirty tricks. Is this not in our own party now?

Remove Leahey from Congress Vermont. Put in office a Progressive candidate for Senator who will vote in your best interest not a few party leaders who have decided on who should win the primary.

Are they once again trying to lose? Get out of there Dean and DLC.


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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 12:16 PM
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7. Yes. Suddenly it's a crisis.
I don't think they're really jumping the gun here. I haven't yet demanded that Clinton drop out, but if she pulls off no miracles very soon, I may join that chorus.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 12:18 PM
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8. She leaves when the people of the party decide they don't want her to
Edited on Sat Mar-29-08 12:19 PM by mac2
represent them as a candidate period.

If the Democratic leadership decides who wins and who loses the primary in the run for President, then I'm otta here.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 12:24 PM
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12. "When the people of the party decide..."
When will that be? Will it be when Obama has won over 50% of all possible (elected) delegates? 50% of all delegates? What's the definition?
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 12:34 PM
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14. That is decided at the DNC convention is it not?
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 12:22 PM
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11. Well said...I agree. n/t
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 01:18 PM
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20. Leahy is not a progressive. Dean is DLC.
Democrats are the real party of stealing elections and disenfranchisement.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 04:19 PM
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22. pathetic. first of all Leahy in not a congressman, but a Senator
and he's been one for 34 years. Secondly, he's held hearings, stripped immunity from the FISA bill, issued subpoenas, and consistently fought bushco on front after front, from Habeas to Halliburton, from Gonzo to war profiteering. And, genius, Senators don't have any ability to get impeachment rolling. duh.

It's moronic to claim that anyone asked Edwards or Kucinich to step aside. There is no evidence of it at all. Simply stupid speculation.

And shove your advice to us Vermonters where the sun don't shine, buddy. Leahy is dearly loved in this state and has over a 70% approval rating. He is, without question, one of the most progressive lawmakers in D.C. And he's Senator from Vermont as long as he wants the job. Don't like it? Tough shit.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:38 AM
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28. Yes...Leahey is a Senator.
Edited on Sun Mar-30-08 12:45 AM by mac2
I'm a bit confused over the term Congress person. If someone is in Congress they can be a Representative or a Senator. Aren't they both Congress people? Just asking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Congress
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 12:35 PM
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15. She will - donate and help her win
I'm sending in another donation today!
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 12:47 PM
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16.  Let the people vote, damn it n/t
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 01:13 PM
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19. They are taking away our vote are they not?
Every election since 2000.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 04:10 PM
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21. They really don't like Democracy
That's been evident for quite some time.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:34 AM
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27. It sure looks like it today.
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Tribetime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 04:24 PM
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23. that's too reasonable
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 05:14 PM
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24. I've been thinking about it...
and you may be right. But if Clinton takes my advice to heart... nevermind.
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Popol Vuh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 05:19 PM
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25. Yeah Hillary
Whatever you do, don't listen to the Will Of The People. Run to get "selected" by the delegates.

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theredpen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 05:36 PM
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26. Don't drop out yet! Tune in, turn on... and THEN drop out!
There is a clear winner. Just some people refuse to see the obvious.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:45 AM
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29. I agree
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