Philadelphia Mayor, Michael Nutter: I Would Have Left Rev. Wright’s Church

[malik flavors]

Philly Mayor: Obama Pastor Talk Beyond Pale
Mayor Michael Nutter Tells ABC News He Would Have Quit Church if His Pastor Made Such Remarks
By DAVID MUIR, URSULA FAHY and JOEL SIEGEL
PHILADELPHIA, March 29, 2008 —


Sen. Hillary Clinton's most prominent African-American supporter in Pennsylvania says that had he been a member of Sen. Barack Obama's church, he would have left because of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's fiery and controversial sermons.


"I think there's no room for hate, and I could not sit and tolerate that kind of language, and especially over a very long period of time," said Philadelphia's newly elected mayor, Michael Nutter, in an interview with ABC News' David Muir.


"If I were in my own church and heard my pastor saying some of those kinds of things," he added, "we'd have a conversation about what's going on here, what is this all about, and then I would have to make my own personal decision about whether or not to be associated or affiliated."


Asked by Muir if he would he have quit Obama's church, Nutter said, "Absolutely."


Watch a report on Nutter's comments tonight on "World News." Check your local listings for air time.

http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=4549699

[Name removed]

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[Swamp Rat]

4. Why should we even give a fuck about what infortainers say?

I don't... except when I feel like ridiculing them.

[roguevalley]

58. I don't know what the hell this guy is but if he's a catholic

or a baptist, then he better leave his church because they spew hate too. Every catholic in America with their panties in a twist better pack up and leave because between the popes and cardinals like bernard law, you can't stay and still dump on Wright. Same with Baptists and other fundamentalist./evangelicals. Either leave your own churches for the same reason or STFU!

[BOSSHOG]

6. 5+ years ago

My wife and I stopped going to our church because we were tired of the ugliness being spewed from the pulpit. Haven't been back since probably never will go back. And, at that time I never heard of Barack Obama. I guess I'm just a whore.

[EFerrari]

12. I guess you just swallow the Foxed Up spew that comes your way.

That's too bad.

[BOSSHOG]

20. I'm not quite sure of what you refer to

but your tone certainly says unity to me. I believe a person(s) can ascertain that something they hear is not right and make efforts to avoid it or change it. I also believe a person(s) can put on blinders, block out criticism, admit no faults, and blame everything and everyone on whatever they choose. Up to this year, such persons usually congregated to the republican party, a classic American Cult organization.

If by "foxed up spew" is Fox News you are referring to, I never watch them.

Despite the efforts of Obama supporters here I will remain a loyal, contributing, voting member of the Democratic Party. Sad that so many would rather that not happen. Helluva way to secure unity.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. I Don't Get It

Why are you being disrespected for leaving a church that was hateful? In a neutral environment you would have got fifty recommendations at DU...

I left the church of my youth... A church that took me under it wing and the deacons were the only father figures I had when my dad died when I was fourteen because the right wing Republican agenda had infiltrated the sermons...

I go to church to hear the Beatitudes not right wing nonsense...

[BOSSHOG]

28. I believe the sound of dissent

is the cultists feeling their oats. They are rather noisy. One thing I(we) did discover is that we can spend Sunday Mornings sleeping in or watching a cooking show and still be law abiding, tax paying productive citizens who bother no one and keep our lawn in pretty good shape. And usually on Sunday Mornings I pick up one of the two papers we get and read about a Baptist Minister or a Catholic Priest or a Sunday School Teacher or a Choir Director being arrested for having untoward relationships with a minor. I(we) don't need a church and they aren't getting our money.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. I'm Glad There Weren't Any Pedaphiles In My Church

Like I said my dad died when I was fourteen and it was just me and my mom... The deacons were the only father figures I had... But they were nice... They used to take me to places like Marine World and stuff like that...But this is the mid seventies before the church became politicized... And Baptists are some interesting folk...We used to go witnessing and every Saturday night we would go to Youth For Christ meetings and on Sunday evenings before church we would go witnessing at nursing homes which was a genuinely uplifting experience...Those people were happy to have anybody visiting them ... But then I got mixed up with weed and all the other things teen agers do and left the church... I guess that's standard fare...

But I took away good lessons from Sunday School... Treat folks with respect... Help the needy...Honor your parents...

[EFerrari]

35. And you are making yourself look silly because I have been

an outspoken critic of Obama. Look at my last journal entry.

Geezus on a trailer hitch.

Your casual slurs speak to your veracity.

[BOSSHOG]

36. Thanks for the chuckle

"Casual slurs." Coming from an Obama supporter (albeit a new one.) They, like their God would never slur casual or otherwise. Never pounce. I've searched GD-P for hours and have found not one slur of any kind coming from a cult member (new or old) against anyone who dare offer anything that might be considered criticism. It might be a good idea if the enormous chips on holier then thou shoulders of Obama supporters (new or old) be tossed aside. I suggest it in the name of UNITY. Please go forth and win the election all by yourselves. May I suggest one finds strength in humility.

[JoFerret]

39. Thanks BOSSHOG

Thanks for a dose of ...something...Honesty? Integrity? Common sense? Sunshine?

[EFerrari]

31. Oh, spare me. You want to buy into the swiftboating

of someone who has three preseidential commendations, who stood with Bill Clinton during ZipperGate, who ministered to LBJ in his last days, go for it. You buy into the media bullshit about this man who has multiple degrees to his name and many honorary ones. You show your own dilligence in going beyond the spin. Or, you don't.

The evidence that this is a good man being smeared has been in this forum for weeks. I don't know how you managed to miss it but it must have required quite an effort.

[BOSSHOG]

33. I've no problem whatsoever

with what Wright or Obama has said (as I have said here before.) Wearing blinders was a reference to the cultists not Wright. Obama nor anyone connected to him can do no wrong. Nor will Obama ever do wrong. That's not buying into anything, that is creating an untenable myth. Great job in getting your post deleted. I haven't done that in years.

I would advise my young democratic teammates not to toss the term swiftboating around so casually but since I'm not a member of the cult, fuck me.

[EFerrari]

34. I only decided I could even vote for Obama last week.

He's much too conservative for me. So the beam in your own eye as you toss around the word "cult" seems to be bigger than the mote in mine.

[JoFerret]

40. Are you now a true believer?

Or do you still need to be delivered?

[JoFerret]

45. What kind of crazed remark is that?

.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. I Was Baptized At Fifteen - The Old Fashioned Way- In A Lake

In the Spring of 1993 a visiting pastor said that the California brush fires were remedial judgements from God for electing Bill Clinton...

I haven't stepped in that church since...

I guess I'm a whore too...

[sandnsea]

2. Then why did the Clintons invite Wright to the White House

Pathetic bunch of hypocrites.

[Maribelle]

53. You believe Obama when Obama didn't know about Wright's hate mongering and think the Clinton's did?

[BOSSHOG]

3. But Nutter wasn't giving a 20 year speech in Miami

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

5. Well, that's very..political of him.

[BeyondGeography]

7. Suck-up

[featherman]

8. He's no fan of Obama. Personal history issues from what I gather

[BumRushDaShow]

9. He may find himself as a 1-term mayor. n/t

[TwilightGardener]

10. Hillary's surrogats trying to keep the issue alive, to damage Obama in PA--

pay no heed.

[joshcryer]

16. Is this more of the "let it sink" garbage?

That is, political commentary that you don't like should be ignored? Hmm.

[ericgtr]

11. Yet he backs a person who fabricates war time experiences

It's better if you lie directly from your own mouth than it is to have someone else say something not related to you, yet hold you accountable.

The fucking hypocracy of the Hillary people is outstanding.

[shain from kane]

13. Nutter and the fruitcake.

[Donkeykick]

14. I personally feel that...

this is going to hurt him if he makes it to the General Election. :shrug:

[FrenchieCat]

15. Nutter Pastorbating?

Who would have thunk it? :wow:

[BumRushDaShow]

26. I think he's still trying to recover from this

http://willdo.philadelphiaweekly.com/archives/2007/05/nutter_picks_up.html

;)

[JoFerret]

47. A pox on all their religiosities.

.

[SoCalDem]

17. Goody for him..

:)

[MadBadger]

18. Somebody's bitter that Obama didnt endorse him.

[Hutzpa]

21. Nutter... hmmmm

In England, Nutter means crazy person, he sure sounds crazy to me and everytime
I hear that name I think of this Nutter(crazy/fool).

:evilgrin:

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

22. That's IT!

I'm moving out of Philadelphia!!!

[4themind]

23. And so the slow drip being...

I really hoped we were past this among surrogates/campaigns after Dean and other party elder's concerns.

Sigh, ok*puts on "conspiracy theory hat"*. Clinton says wright wouldn't be her pastor, uproar commences(consisting of racial/personal rehashing), polls numbers decrease(in part due to that perhaps) so put out nutter to blunt the "racial" component of her remark, draw some heat away from clinton and reduce the negativity on her. Assuming that the majority of African Americans in philadelphia give a F@#& about nutter's opinion on the matter *takes off "conspiracy theory hat"*

[slinkerwink]

27. How's Nutter seen by African-Americans in Philadelphia

[4themind]

29. I don't have any "scientific" polling numbers to use as a guide...

but I could give you my personal (and familial) perceptions of him based upon meeting him on more than one occasion. (he was the council man in my section of the city for a number of years). I guess my point in the previous point that if that were the strategy, that particular assumption(african americans aligning themselves with nutter on this issue) would help their case.

[BumRushDaShow]

32. It's a mixed bag.

I knew him back in the day and family members helped him when he first ran for (and lost) City Council in the '80s. As a City Councilman, once John Street made the transition out of City Council to become Mayor, Nutter seemed to become more strident and confrontational on certain issues and now as Mayor, seems to bop around with an air of entitlement, which is just bizarre. The one major issue that many AAs do have a problem with is his insistence on instituting a policy of "stop and frisk" - anyone on the street who might appear "suspicious" would be subject to be pulled aside by the police and searched. Basically, the 4th amendment of the Constitution would cease to apply in the city of Philadelphia. :eyes: True amnesia of the Rizzo years and what that idiot did to AA males during the '60s/70s as Police Commissioner and then Mayor.

[AllentownJake]

57. The only thing I like about Rizzo

Is his nickname for Ed Rendell.

[TexanDem]

25. PULLEASE a grain of salt -- these folks will say whatever is PC!

Too bad we don't know what their own ministers rail off about behind their pulpits!

[JoFerret]

37. "no room for hate"

And NO excuses either folks.

[Barack_America]

38. Oh boy. Mike must have national aspirations....

...'cuz he's not going to win a second term as mayor if he keeps talking like this.

This isn't going to sit well with the base that elected him.

It's fine to endorse the candidate of your choice, but to jump in on the RW smear attacks of the candidate your base heavily favors?

Not smart. Not smart at ALL.

[Kermit77]

44. If Mike has national aspiration he should be nicer to the next President of the US - Obama

I hope Obama wins Philadelphia 80% to send Mayor Nutter a message.

He may have to do what his last name means, to relieve the stress he will feel when his citizens start asking him "Whats up with you going against our wishes?"

[Barack_America]

52. Obama backed Chaka Fattah, not Nutter, for Mayor.

So there's a bit of history between them.

But I agree that Nutter has picked the wrong horse on this one!

[IndianaGreen]

41. Tell that to all the Catholics that disagree with the Church's preaching on sex and abortion

Their love for their Church trumps their differences with official theology, or for what they hear from the pulpit.

When is Hillary going to renounce and denounce her religious guru Doug Coe?

[susankh4]

42. I am relieved to see an African American stand up and be counted

in this matter. I mean, I know *I* would have walked out. No question. But.... I needed to hear that I wasn't just being ethnocentric.

Thank you Mayor Nutter!

[malik flavors]

49. Why? Do you disagree with what Reverend Wright said? If so, which parts?

[Hoof Hearted]

43. Good. I'm glad to see him speak up about it.

[2rth2pwr]

46. I am sure the majority of Americans would have left too.

[Kermit77]

48. So now Mayor Nutter is throwing the Reverend under the bus too

This won't sit well with the African American constituents>

[BumRushDaShow]

50. Nutter is DLC and he does as he's told. n/t

[Maribelle]

54. I believe the whole of Philadelphia knows what Axelrod did to Nutter.

[PM7nj]

59. What did he do?

I know Axelrod ran the Street campaigns, but what did he do to Nutter?

[KittyWampus]

51. How easy would it be to collect the 5 stupidest things Nutter's said on video and run it in a loop

[Maribelle]

55. Attempting to minimize Wright's hate mongering with this '5 stupidest things' pomp won't sell.

[PM7nj]

60. He's going to tank any day now, right?

I know a lot of people are still waiting for that 17 point drop.

[PlanetBev]

56. I'm fighting down the impulse to run out to the market

and get me a bag of Nutter Butters...wonder why?

:9 :9 :9