I WONDER if these are TACTICS used throughout TEXAS for OBAMA

[boston bean]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nROKBU_KlZw&eurl=http://obamawho.wordpress.com/2008/03/29/the-audacity-of-obama/

[anonymous171]

1. Whoah, mixed up phone numbers.

[joshcryer]

26. Pay attention, please.

The ignorance of some people in this thread is astounding.

[Occam Bandage]

2. OMG SOMEONE ON YOUTUBE CLAIMED SOMEONE CALLED THE WRONG NUMBER

[joshcryer]

24. No, someone on YouTube called the campaign and saw that they were registered as an Obama delegate.

After having been earlier called by them.

It shows that their delegate status was being confused. It seems that the guy in fact did not know who she was voting for, and that the whole "handwriting thing" was a complete farce.

[OzarkDem]

41. and did the same to every Clinton supporter in her precinct?

No coincidence there.

[dkf]

3. Oh puhleeze. It was the Clinton team with all the dirty tricks...

organizing the credentials committees prior to convention to block Obama people.

Meeting before the designated time and closing the doors when the conventions are supposed to start.

Its a miracle Obama is able to keep pace with all these typically dirty underhanded shenanigans against him.

DISGUSTING.

[Johnny__Motown]

4. This is why people put you on Ignore and try to Let Your Threads Sink...

This is clearly bull shit... I can grab a phone and a camera and make shit up too.


You present this as some type of evidence?


Can't you see why people who present facts can't stand your conjecture?

[joshcryer]

33. You have no evidence that it is fake and I think you will be hard pressed to find it.

It would be very easy to test the veracity of this video, names are used throughout. Hell, I would fear for the girl now that her name is out there and the stalkers are soon to follow.

But this is a verifable situation, and if it is fake it will be shown to be so.

I don't think it is fake, I am a good judge of character.

[goldcanyonaz]

5. If it were the Clinton campaign doing this, this forum would be on fire.

When it's Obama it's just a "mistake" but when it's Hillary it's manipulative and cheating.

[Occam Bandage]

7. I highly doubt this is either the Clinton or the Obama campaign doing this. Highly.

[joshcryer]

30. It's obviously *individuals* in the campaigns.

I just find it amazing when people outright deny this shit happens. There was a video posted on YouTube where a caucus was not verifying that the people voting had voted in the primaries, and it was mostly skewed toward Obama supporters who were getting a free pass. That was a one time incident.

[OzarkDem]

42. No kiddding

Apparently its ok if Obama does it.

[countingbluecars]

6. If she is a delegate

she ought to learn that it is the Democratic party not the Democrat party. Personally, I think this is a phony video.

[joshcryer]

37. Statistically speaking most delegates are probably ditzes.

[DarienComp]

8. yeah, he hung up on her

after she decided that the best way to make her point was to call him names. What exactly do you think this video proves? Other than the fact that DU-like paranoia can manifest itself in the outside world?

[joshcryer]

22. He hung up on her after admitting he believed "they were doing it too."

Enough for me.

[MadBadger]

27. delete

[karynnj]

9. I listened to this twice and here are my observations.

1) The woman had someone video tape this - likely not telling the preson on the other side.
2) The Obama supporter was a very polite guy making a routine call, who clearly identified himself as volunteering for the Obama campaign.
3) When she said she was not for Obama - he politely said that clearly his information is wrong.
4) She asked a leading question - Does this mean I have to go and vote for Obama - the guy answered - NO
5) She then said it was the DEMOCRAT party
6) She then came off with a torrent of accusations that, IMO, were not justified by anything he said.

My conclusion is that he was one of the many people who were calling from a list to remind Obama delegates that the caucus was coming out. This was something publicly done by the Obama camp and something 100% legitimate. From things posted here on DU, we knew that - and they clearly had given guidance on what to do when they hit a HRC person - or this guy used good judgment. (Note her question was likely designed to get a "yes, if you go you need to vote Obama" or a "you don't have to go". )

What am I missing? Does anyone else thing it weird this was video taped?

[theredpen]

16. I thought it was weird that it was taped

My guess: she called them.

Didn't catch the "Democrat party" wingnutism. That's casts even more doubt on the legitimacy of this.

BTW, it's legal in Texas to record a phone call as long as one of the participants is aware of it.

[joshcryer]

21. Yes I think she called them. She says so in her comments.

If you read the comments her friend was called so she called them back. I believe them because her name was on the docket, and he knew her address. It's obvious what's going on here.

[theredpen]

38. Yes it's obvious: this was staged

[karynnj]

43. Thanks - that is a weird law - I guess it precludes third party taping only

I think you're correct that she returned a call and further it seems to me like she was trying to get this volunteer to say something wrong - and I don't think he did.

[joshcryer]

20. You didn't hear the same thing I heard.

He was being very iffy about the process, it was only *after* she said she "thought she voted for Hillary" that he backed down. They're trying to exploit the confusion related to the caucusing process in and of itself. His initial attempt was to convince her that she was a delegate for Obama.

The part that cements it is that he said basically that "you guys are doing it too."

Basically trying to absolve this obscenity with his own spin.

[FogerRox]

10. Is there a point here ?

[Mooney]

11. Not even close.

[FogerRox]

14. Just checking... O thought I was missing something.

[joshcryer]

23. The bit about Obama people registering Hillary delegates as their own and trying to convince them...

...confusingly to vote for Obama?

Please dismiss it all you want.

[Condem]

12. levelheadedness

And now this post. Yup.

[cbayer]

13. I wish people would note in their title

when something is just a video link. Those of us with super-slow connections spend a lot of time opening the OP in order to see a link we will never be able to access.

Just a suggestion.

[theredpen]

15. Nice fake video

Wow. A YouTube video of someone talking on the phone.

That's convincing.

Better look into that. :sarcasm:

Here are fucked up Clinton-camp antics documented in an actual news source: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/030608dnpolcrenshaw.3cf3d35.html

[joshcryer]

19. Do you have any evidence it was fake?

[TAWS]

25. You're the one who should be proving its real if you're making an accusation

[joshcryer]

28. What accusation am I making?

I am merely observing the video as it is protrayed. I have no other option but to believe it is real, and it seems awfully real, unless someone can prove otherwise.

[TAWS]

32. Ah, the everything is real except when proven false mentality on the internet

What's to stop me from making the same video except with a Hillary supporter calling?

[joshcryer]

34. By all means, try it. I can easily debunk it.

This video has names, places, everything, it would be very easy to debunk. But I expect that it won't be.

[TAWS]

35. I bet you thought the Larry Sinclair youtube was real

After all, it isn't possible to prove it's false, must be real right?

[joshcryer]

36. It is easy to disprove that, actually.

That guy didn't sound geniune, unlike the person on the phone, the person giving out her real name and address verification.

[krawhitham]

31. Do you have any evidence it was real?

It is a random video on the internet, any moron with a webcam can make a video.

[theredpen]

39. The burden of proof is not on me, it's on them

There's no legitimate news media here. All we have is some person who uses suspiciously Freeperish language talking to someone who seems to be an Obama volunteer (but could be a friend of hers pretending for the sake of the video).

This could be a dirty trick from either Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos" or the Clinton campaign (it's hard to tell them apart these days).

[Asgaya Dihi]

17. This stuff is getting tired from both sides

We had another thread this morning wondering the same thing of the Clinton campaign, it died out quick when the following info was posted so maybe we'll have the same luck here.

That said, Cohen and the two of the other delegates in question are listed correctly--that is, as pro-Clinton, not pro-Obama--on the website of the Travis County Democrats. Why the discrepancy? Blame the middleman. According to spokesman Hector Nieto of the Texas Democratic Party, "the information that we gave to the campaigns was information given to us by the individual precincts. We then sent that information to a contractor to key it in to a spreadsheet. There's a possibility that an error was made when the information was keyed in." In other words, the precincts reported the correct candidate affiliations to the state party, but an outside contractor likely screwed up when entering those affiliations into a single spreadsheet --meaning that the Clinton and Obama campaigns received lists that incorrectly displayed at least a few Clinton delegates pledged to Obama (and perhaps vice versa).

http://www.blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/03/28/guess-what-obama-is-not-poaching-delegates-in-texas.aspx

Until we've taken the time to fact check things maybe tossing around every rumor we run across about other dems isn't a good idea. Looks to me like to an extent at least both sides might be tossing crap over what someone else did, contractor error. Yeah for privatization, huh? Let's let this one go, and kill anything else that's more angry rumor than sourced. If we've got facts fine but this stuff with spreading angry rumors and accusations is getting out of hand.

[joshcryer]

18. Hahaha, owned!

[MadBadger]

29. "Democrat" party

And she's a delegate? Jeez she doesnt even know the name of her own party.

[OzarkDem]

40. Wow

We definitely do not need this guy in the White House.