Obama Campaign has claimed victory in TX

[ossman]

Their press release:

With more than 56 percent of the results tallied from today’s 284 Democratic district conventions across Texas, Sen. Barack Obama currently is projected to earn a 38-29 pledged delegate win in the Texas caucuses, exactly as projected on the day after the March 4th precinct caucuses. The nine delegate margin in the caucuses means Obama will gain a net margin of five pledged delegates from Texas because Senator Clinton narrowly won the Texas primary by only four delegates, 65-61.

“Despite the Clinton campaign’s widespread attempts to prevent many Texans from participating in their district convention, the voters of Texas confirmed Senator Obama’s important delegate win in the Lone Star State,” said Obama spokesman Josh Earnest. “Today’s record-shattering turnout sends a clear message that the American people are ready for change in Washington and new leadership in the White House that will stand up for working families.”

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/politics/index.html

[doublethink]

1. Touchdown !! n.t.

[pompano]

56. And the.....

sucessful point after attempt.

It is not too hard to kick an extra point when the goal posts aren't sliding all over the place.

I think it's beyond time for Hillary to throw in the towel. We have a nominee...lets go full speed ahead at McSame.

Lets make YES WE CAN...YES WE DID!

[leftofcool]

2. No actual results until next week or so

[DerekJ]

8. LOL

:rofl:

"Fuck!! Fuck!!, It's not true yet, It's not true yet, NOT OFFFIIIICIAAALL"

Like Hillary, just trying to delay the inevitable.

[doublethink]

11. Okay but in the meantime how bout .....

some answers from YOU in this thread ?? hmmmmm ???

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5309265

just asking? :shrug:

[grantcart]

17. BREAKING THEY HAVE NEW INVENTION CALLED THE INTERNETS

http://burntorangereport.com/
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pCVgf3tYDGBevq1NB-GJHdw

[DrFunkenstein]

65. Is That Them There Things With All The Tubes?

n/t

[Political Heretic]

73. WTFTUBES LOL

:P

[Kittycat]

18. Great. Then HRC Can stop declaring victory there like she has

done the past month. Or was she just that just more misspeaking on her part?

[polichick]

3. Congrats to the voters of Texas for sending that clear and important message!!!

[Nitrogenica]

4. If the goal is most delegates, then Obama had a better strategy for winning.

[MadMaddie]

14. That is what it keeps coming down to....Obama's overall

strategy is more thorough and well planned isn't it?

I voted for Hillary in the WA caucus but since then her campaign continues to make huge strategic mistakes...

Hillary's campaign failed to plan for after super Tuesday, she ran out of money and had no strategic plan.

Obama's campaign has implemented a good stretegic plan and it is working out well.

[Nitrogenica]

31. Exactly.

He wants us all to have an adult conversation about the issues that matter, and I think that is a winning strategy this time.

I think Obama is the Democratic frontrunner.

[FatDave]

72. It's almost as if...

...he had a strategy that tried to win in not just bug states, but all 50 states. Some sort of, I dunno, 50 state strategy.

[MadMaddie]

86. Yea that is something isn't it? And wait...from the bottom up

not extremely wealthy donars and then pick up the bottom. How hard was that to figure out?

[Mooney]

55. Yup.

It's like he knew what the rules were beforehand or something.

[gateley]

5. Ouch!

“Despite the Clinton campaign’s widespread attempts to prevent many Texans from participating in their district convention, the voters of Texas confirmed Senator Obama’s important delegate win in the Lone Star State,” said Obama spokesman Josh Earnest.

Is that a reference to the mysterious robocalls? Has that been resolved?

I'm an Obama supporter but I don't like that statement by Josh Earnest -- very Mark Penn-ish.

[40ozDonkey]

22. I didn't dig it either, maybe he's just punchy from the "fun". nt

[FatDave]

74. There were all kinds of reports from the Texas conventions

of Hillary supporters trying to throw out Obama delegates, usually on the basis of gender. There's a couple live-blog threads around here that talk a lot about it. Seemed like they all went in with some kind of (orchestrated?) gender challenge plan.

And weren't there a whole bunch of legal threats by the Clinton camp? Very early on they were claiming that a lot of the caucus delegates were not legitimate. The Texas Dem party finally said (paraphrased) "leave us alone, that's what the credentials committee is for".

And there were the rumored robo-calls, but I doubt he's referring to anything that unsubstantiated. There was plenty of other shenanigans that make that statement perfectly valid even if not completely necessary.

[catrose]

78. Indeed

Apparently the District 23 caucus was stalled for hours--10 by some reports, and that's in addition to a full day's agenda--as the seating of over 2000 delegates was challenged. We thought it was bad that it took until after noon to seat everyone--and then several hours more to reseat the alternates as delegates and handle the challenges (One local Republican chair was dismissed!). Our precinct concluded our vote for our one delegate by 4, which sounds like it might have been early in comparison.

Our precinct was split fairly evenly (8-7) between Obama & Clinton; we were allowed an equal number of alternates. The Obama delegates had meetings and trainings before hand. The message was show up, show up, show up--and know who you want to send as your delegate to State. I don't know what the Clinton people did, but their chair didn't show for the convention. They were missing 11 people that day; Obama had 11 people show up (3 didn't show because of medical emergencies; only 2 were unaccounted for, which has to be some kind of record). So several Obama alternates were seated in the place of the Clinton delegates, which caused quite a ruckus. Fortunately, one of the Obama delegates was a minister, and he poured lots of oil on the troubled waters.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/033008dnpoldemconventions.129a6399.html

[TheDoorbellRang]

77. It's probably a reference to the crap they pulled yesterday

Did you see this thread?

By the end, the Clinton folks were willing -- hell, eager -- to throw out not just randon individuals but the entire delegation of 2 precincts. (So much for voter enfranchisement, eh, Hills?)

The protest process was tailor-made for alienating committed voters, wearing them out to the point where they would drop out. By the end of the night, the convention floor was abuzz with tired, pissed-off voters who now hate Hillary with the fire of a thousand suns.

I'm one of them. Thanks for sucking those 10 or so hours away from me, Hills. Love ya. Mean it.

In the end, the Hillary camp did successfully win challenges on 22 delegates. Out of a total of 2,650. When the announcement came, we calculated that the 10-hour delay of the start of our convention averaged roughly a successful challenge only every 30 minutes.

So we stayed. Surprise, Hillary! Not a single delegate OR ALTERNATE left early from my precinct, which meant that the delegation not continuing on to state spent 12 hours making the Texas delegate count official.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5314659

[Kukesa]

6. Does Texas count? n/t

[SoCalDem]

12. It's a small insignificant caucus state..unimportant

:)

[Diane R]

51. It counted yesterday, but it doesn't count today. Rhode Island certainly counts, though!

[Yael]

7. "Despite the Clinton campaign’s widespread attempts to prevent many Texans from participating"

:spray:

Excellent add to keep reminding the country what she brings to the table.

[pompano]

13. YESSSSSSS!

:bounce: :beer: :toast:

[Maribelle]

19. Ha ha ha. Obama the liar speaks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LASNtFcqF4g

[Catherina]

26. Really?

[Catherina]

33. She's crying fraud already. Let's remember her "training materials"

March 01, 2008

The Dallas Morning News gets hold of Clinton caucus "training materials," in which supporters are instructed to fight for procedural control of caucuses.

The materials say in part, "DO NOT allow the supporter of another candidate to serve in leadership roles."

It goes on to say, "If our supporters are outnumbered, ask the Temporary Chair if one of our supporters can serve as the Secretary, in the interest of fairness.

"The control of the sign-in sheets and the announcement of the delegates allotted to each candidate are the critical functions of the Chair and Secretary. This is why it is so important that Hillary supporters hold these positions."

Some of the moments on the ground in Nevada showed how crucial technical control can be, particularly when -- there, as expected in Texas -- nobody has any idea what the rules are. Really makes you love the caucus process.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Texas_caucus_hardball.html

[L0oniX]

81. Welcome to my ignore dungeon.

[FatDave]

83. Please see post #74 and its responses

[Catherina]

21. I didn't catch that. Thanks for pointing it out . n/t

:wow:

[BumRushDaShow]

9. The media will ignore this since they already reported on TX and can't find the "corrected" key. n/t

[sandnsea]

34. Can you still get the little orange corrector tapes?

Maybe we should send some boxes of them to the media, give them a clue. I don't think they'll say a word unless WE make them.

[RiverStone]

10. Does this mean the M$M will say...ooooops....

We fucked up, Obama actually won TX!

Better yet, will Hillary's campaign stop claiming she won TX?

[C_U_L8R]

15. Has Clinton proclaimed Texas to be a little state yet?

Don't mess with you know who, Hill-Billy.

[Yael]

16. Sure has. Said it was a non-factor in the GE electoral counts that she is working off of

[Barack_America]

20. Really?

She has actually admitted she lost Texas?

[Yael]

23. She said this before March 4th in an interview

[C_U_L8R]

24. I just peeked over at Burnt Orange

Looks like Obama is soaring !!!

http://www.burntorangereport.com/

2580 to 1749 at 9:50

[americanstranger]

25. Yeah, a Texas-style whuppin'

for sure.

- as

[Barack_America]

35. If you look at the counties left, she can't come back...

She'll do well in El Paso and Bexar counties, at least. But these are the only large delegate counties that I see that will definitely go for her. What's more, Tarrant county should come in huge for Obama and help to offset these. So the gap will probably narrow, but he'll still win handily.

I LOVE caucuses! I've learned so much about Texas in the past few weeks! lol.

[stillcool]

46. Isn't there one that is not meeting..

until tomorrow because they couldn't find a place big enough?

[Barack_America]

50. Well, it ain't El Paso.

That one just came in and shrunk Obama's lead by 4%.

I don't think it's Tarrant county either, because the Burnt Orange site is talking like that one is going on. Still nothing recorded though.

Just looked it up and it's Collin County that will meet tomorrow.

[powergirl]

52. Yes, Collin County

I live here. It's a good problem. We used to caucus in the parking lot. This time we needed a convention center. We are expecting 3000 delegates and alternates (actual folks). I'll report in tomorrow.:patriot:

[stillcool]

62. that's great!

[Cha]

27. Thanks, ossman!.. This is very

Encouraging. I love the brilliance of the Obama campaign

[Mme. Defarge]

28. God willin' and the creek don't rise, or, as they say in French ...

Le jour de gloire est arrivé!

[backscatter712]

29. VICTORY!!!

Great news today!

The Obamamentum is strong enough that dirty tricks have no chance to stop it!!!

[Arugula Latte]

30. The firewall is in ashes. nt

[question everything]

32. It is the 2000 elections all over again, where electoral delegates trump popular votes

Clinton won a total of 1,459,814 votes to Obama 1,358,785 in the primaries. When you add the caucus votes (the voting twice which is legal in Texas): 18,620 and 23,918, respectively, Clinton is still ahead in the popular votes. Yet the total delegates is 65-61 for the primaries, 29-38 for the caucuses, for a total of 94 for Clinton and 99 for Obama.

Similar results in Nevada.

I bet Baker and Olson and the other lawyers who got the Supreme Court to seat Bush are really enjoying themselves.

[C_U_L8R]

36. you got some homework to do

this Texas one is convoluted .. but that's the way they do it.
Them's the rules. Popular vote overall doesn't mean squat in a primary.
It's not a national contest... it's state by state contests to appoint delegates.
That's it. Delegates appoint the nominee.. not votes.

[question everything]

44. Same as it was in 2000

"That's it. (Delegates,) er.. electoral college, (appoint) vote (the nominee) for the President.. not votes."

[C_U_L8R]

47. sorry you are mistaken. you may want to brush up on your civics.

here's a good place to start - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civics

more on the electoral college - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College

and on the primaries themselves - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_primary

[question everything]

68. I don't need to brush up on anything. The outcome is the same: delegates trump

popular votes.

This is not what most voters consider a true democracy.

[ekwhite]

76. We don't have a true democracy

We have a Representative Democracy.

[GarbagemanLB]

38. I wonder how many of those Clinton votes are because of Rush and Bill pandering on Rush's show.

[goclark]

39. Pinch me ~ am I dreaming?

Is this thread saying that Obama won the caucus delegates?????

There is some blond lawyer on the video clip from Fox News saying that Clinton was going to challenge the vote because some of the Obama people were pushng them or something like that ---

[Politicalboi]

84. That video is old

Now I don't know what became of Camp Clinton accusations then but this was not last night.

[Mooney]

59. Were you this upset about Texas primary/caucus procedures in previous primaries?

If so, I'm sure you've been doing a lot to correct this miscarriage of democracy.

Regardless of how this all turns out though, I'm sure you're going to keep on working tirelessly until this undemocratic process has been thwarted.

[anonymous171]

66. Clinton supporters whining about the popular vote

when Clinton advocates the SDs defying the will of the people.

[charlie]

70. Haw!

Those caucus votes were just as available to Hillary. She (and you) have had 20 years to either plan or complain, that's how long Texas has been doing them. When one side prepares for caucusing and the other only discovers Texas' two-tier system in February, one side wins a whole lot bigger than they could reasonably hope. Only one candidate has the same campaign manager since Super Tuesday, and it's not the one who was low-running under gunfire in Bosnia.

[Freida5]

37. typical. claims victory before all the votes are in. I will wait for the rural areas.

[Blondbostonian]

40. It's all about math and what's left to be counted

If you would rather have denial so be it.

[americanstranger]

45. Just like what's going on with the nomination.

Diminishing hope leads to accepting, umm, implausible theories.

- as

[Yael]

41. 60% reporting and its 57%-43% Obama

Read 'em and weep: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pCVgf3tYDGBevq1NB-GJHdw

Math + Facts trumps Emotion every time...

[readmoreoften]

43. Does that include adding in that caucuses only account for 35% of the vote?

I'm just wondering because I voted in this fucked up state.

[Yael]

49. That is JUST the caucus results

Hillary won the primary by 4 points. It looks projected that Obama will win the caucus by 9 for a net of 5.

40% not reporting though and at least one county goes to convention tomorrow (possibly more).

[tabasco]

61. As did Hillary in CA, NY and other states.

Get a life.

[Thepricebreaker]

42. Why is no MSM covering this, like the other primaries?

[Robeson]

48. They have to keep up the pretense of a close race.

[lligrd]

53. WTG Texans! nt

[powergirl]

54. 11:20 P.M. - Obama ahead with 56.24% with 46% of the precincts reporting

:woohoo:

http://www.burntorangereport.com/

Edit by powergirl to 56.24% - a little tired. :hi:

[blonndee]

57. Are you sure? I think that's a mistake. It looks like 56%.

That 69% doesn't seem to belong where it is. I think it's supposed to be the number 6,949.

Edit: I can't figure out WHAT that 69% number means. :shrug:

[powergirl]

58. My Bad - you are right

I think it is my bed time! :hi:

[blonndee]

60. Me too.

Oh, how I WISH, though. :hi:

[McCamy Taylor]

63. Fort Worth Star Telegram says its neck and neck and both camps challenging delegates.

Austin is an Obama stronghold. The Star Telegram supports Obama but is a McClatchy paper so its reporting is generally nonbiased. Good source for stories about anything except local employers like American Airlines whom they will always favor.

http://www.star-telegram.com/news/story/551746.html

Democratic presidential hopefuls Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama were neck and neck in the continuing fight for Texas delegates Saturday, after a chaotic day in which tens of thousands of Texans turned out to participate in the next step of the presidential delegate process.

snip

Statewide, the candidates were running a close race in early results, with Obama winning 839 delegates going to the state convention and Clinton picking up 833, according to a tally by The Associated Press. That’s out of about 7,300 delegates expected to be chosen statewide.

snip

Supporters of both candidates made various challenges through the day at most conventions, contesting votes and delegates on the other side.

Tarrant County Commissioner Roy Brooks urged delegates to be prepared to unite behind the candidate who wins the nomination.

An early call of victory will allow a camp to later declare that their "victory" was stolen if they end up losing. This strategy was used by Bush in Florida in 2000 when Bush's cousin at Fox called Florida for W.

[stillcool]

64. results here...

http://www.burntorangereport.com/

[FrenchieCat]

67. According to Burnt Orange.........

The Associated Press had around 1,800 delegates reported tonight. We've brought you three times that amount, documented it all, and have over 72% of the delegate totals across the state. That's the value of a people-powered movement.
http://www.burntorangereport.com/


http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pCVgf3tYDGBevq1NB-GJHdw

[Zhade]

69. Well, yeah - he won. Don't winners claim their victory?

NT!

[knixphan]

71. 'You hear that, Mr. Anderson?...'

'That is the sound of inevitability...'

[Hope And Change]

75. K&R!

:kick:

[Scurrilous]

79. K & R

:thumbsup:

[dkf]

80. Tarrant finished at 4am, as did Bexar SD 25 and several others

Per Burnt Orange...

Crazy!

http://www.burntorangereport.com/

[Ravy]

82. Delegates overruling the direct vote of the people is *not* a democratic principle. nt

[ElsewheresDaughter]

85. only half the conventions are in....how can he?

[mcollier]

87. What a concept for political policy...

Its simple really.. all you need is a heart that truly cares for others, a willingness to work to better the lives of others, a mind that thinks of the good in others, and a mouth to communicate what is in your heart...

Barack Obama has been successful in doing these things and that is why 20,000 people came out on a Sunday afternoon today to see him...

That is why I encourage you to vote for Obama, and join a movement sweeping accross this country that will change the world...

Visit www.barackobama.com

[crispini]

88. because 85% of the delegate count is in

those counties not reporting are small. All of the big ones are done

[LiberalAndProud]

89. Obama won TX!

:bounce:

[TheDonkey]

90. He update the OBAMA map on his website to give TX the Obama marker! GO OBAMA!

[StevieM]

92. And he has insulted the people of Texas and Nevada with his dishonest claims of victory (eom)

[StevieM]

91. Just another pack of lies from a genuinely bad human being. He lost Texas, like he lost Nevada.

And Obama's claim that Hillary attempted to stop the people from participating is another lie, and a despicable one at that. All Obama ever does, day or night, is lie. He is a very bad person. And this reprehensible press release, by this reprehensible man, is yet another example of what his campaign is all about--the politics of personal destruction. He's just like George Bush.

Steve

[DerekJ]

93. So I take it you don't like liars?!!