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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:14 AM
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Vendors resent Clinton's unpaid bills (Politico)
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9259.html


Hillary Rodham Clinton’s cash-strapped presidential campaign has been putting off paying hundreds of bills for months — freeing up cash for critical media buys, but also earning the campaign a reputation as something of a deadbeat in some small business circles. A pair of Ohio companies owed more than $25,000 by Clinton for staging events for her campaign are warning others in the tight-knit event production community — and anyone else who will listen — to get their cash upfront when doing business with her. Her campaign, say representatives of the two companies, has stopped returning phone calls and e-mails seeking payment of outstanding invoices. One even got no response from a certified letter.

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Clinton also reported debts more than one month old to a slew of apolitical businesses and organizations, large and small, in the states through which this historically expensive Democratic primary campaign has raged.She owed Iowa’s Sioux City Art Center Board of Trustees $3,500 for catering and venue costs, New Hampshire’s Winnacunnet Cooperative School District $4,400 in event costs, Qwest $24,000 for phone service, various branches of the Iowa-based supermarket chain Hy-Vee $15,000 for food, beverages and catering and $7,700 to Ohio and Massachusetts branches of the theatrical stage employees’ union for equipment costs.

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And word is getting around that Clinton’s campaign does not promptly pay those who labor to make her events look good, said an employee of the event production company Forty Two of Youngstown, Ohio. “I feel insulted by the way that the campaign treated this company and treated us personally,” said the employee, who did not want to be named talking about a client. The Clinton campaign paid the company $16,500 to set up a stage, press riser, sound system and backdrops at a Youngstown high school last month for a raucous union rally, where an aggressive Clinton stump speech drew thunderous applause. But the Clinton campaign has yet to pay Forty Two for two other February events and the employee said the campaign has stopped returning phone calls, e-mails and didn’t respond to a certified letter.

“We worked very hard to put together these events on a moment’s notice and do absolutely everything to a ‘t’ to make it look perfect on television for her and for her campaign,” said the employee. “Sen. Clinton talks about helping working families, people in unions and small businesses. But when it comes down to actually doing something that shows that she can back up her words with action, she fails.” Forty Two also has done events for Obama’s campaign, which has paid its bills promptly, according to the employee. FEC records show Obama’s campaign paid the company $18,500.

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Here's a link to Clinton's current FEC report listing her debts: http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M3/C00431569.html


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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:15 AM
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1. Ingrates!
:grr:
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:17 AM
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3. I wonder how much MY grocery costs have gone up to make up for the $15,000
the Clinton campaign stiffed them! :mad:

(Look at her FEC report - how much does she still owe IOWA VENDORS - from January!)
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aaroh Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 03:56 AM
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212. Hillary will be NARU'ed if this was Ebay
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:57 AM
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72. typical clintonism nm
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:02 AM
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120. How dare they attempt to collect from the King & Queen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:11 AM
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134. Let them eat cake (after they've bought all the ingredients and baked the damn thing) n/t
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:16 AM
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2. If she can't manage a campaign, how can she run a country? nt
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:18 AM
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4. Maybe she just doesn't pay the bills in the states that don't count or are dead to her campaign?
:shrug:
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:19 AM
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57. So, where were you when Kerry was over $7.7 in debt?
Are you trying to destroy the Dem Party? Why post stupid posts when your only agenda is to be here to ridicule Hillary?

"Over all, reports show Mr. Bush has raised $158 million, while Mr. Kerry's campaign said he has brought in about $55 million. Mr. Kerry also has about $7.7 million in debt, including $6.4 million that he loaned the campaign earlier in the race."

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C02E5DD1F31F931A15750C0A9629C8B63
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:23 AM
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62. I'm a Dean supporter n/t
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:26 AM
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64. Dean isn't running or are you caught in a time warp?
What does that have to do with ridiculing Hillary?
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:30 AM
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82. Neither is Kerry - what's your point? n/t
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:05 AM
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124. No, whats your point of this thread? eom
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:10 AM
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132. Read the OP head line
or have a friend read it to you :hi:
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:03 AM
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75. The point here is that Hillary has a HUGE war chest and has blown
it. Much of her spending has been questionable. It is a great concern that she can't manage a campaign or find good subordinates who can and she wants to manage the country.
Compare the money that Kerry had to work with to what Hillary has gone through.
This is a real concern. You are hiring a person to run the country's finances. We cannot afford to have another person who thinks this is just play money.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:33 AM
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83. Ask yourself - what has the Clinton debt done to your community?
My local county fair grounds are still owed money, our university performing arts center is still owed money, our local grocer is still owed money.

The Clinton people just doesn't think about what her campaign is doing to THE PEOPLE.
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:59 PM
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210. Excellent question
Small vendors usually can't afford to carry over debt like this. She's wealthy, if someone personally owed her a thousand dollars, she still would not have a problem maintaining her livelihood, keep employees on the payroll, put food on the table and pay her rent.

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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 11:00 AM
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220. And how do school districts, local colleges and county fair grounds make up for her unpaid bills?
They just use OUR tax dollars to cover their operating expenses. Had a Clinton event at your local school? Then lucky you - you just contributed to Hillary Clinton for President!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 07:50 PM
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201. mark penn being the numero uno
"questionable spending".. and there were reports that he's owned in the neighborhood of $2 Mil. So, where does all that big donor money go? Would you not be pissed if you gave big bucks to clintons campaign and she's not only broke now but owes money to small businesses across the country?

Was it attack smear ads that left her bereft?
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:56 PM
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228. "Was it attack smear ads that left her bereft?"
It does appear to be a case of (nearly)instant karma. Sometimes the universe does indeed make sense.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:36 AM
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87. kerry?,,,,, i thought this was about hillary`s debt ?
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:38 AM
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89. Clinton Camp "Hey, where can we rent some smoke and mirrors....
and charge it??" :rofl:
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 05:37 PM
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194. change the subject... Tellurian MO nt
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:01 PM
Response to Reply #57
202. Can you read or do you delight in deceit
This does not say that Kerry was over $ 7.7 million in debt. This was a summary - and like every accounting recounts both the money raised and the outstanding debt. Here, $6.4 million of the $7.7 million was owed to Kerry himself - the remainder was less than the money identified as in the bank. This was after he won the nomination and his fund raising was in better not worse shape - Note the title of the article:

"For Kerry, Victories Lead to More Cash and More Spending"
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:45 PM
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205. Stop being logical and writing about the truth
You'll only confuse them :crazy:

The problem that Clinton is going to run into (if she is the nominee) is WHO will give her money to pay for primary debt? If people earmark their contributions for general election use she can't use it to pay her primary debt.

AND Kerry's debt was ALL HIS debt (except for the basic 30-net operating costs of his campaign) Clinton's debt is $8.7 million PLUS her $5 million personal loan. She's going into debt close to $2 million a month ON TOP of what she already owes. WHERE is she going to get the money to pay it?
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:30 AM
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12. Oh, so now running a successful campaign is the new litmus test?
I didn't get the memo.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:36 AM
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20. oh duh!

It's pretty obvious, isn't it? If you can't keep your campaign straight, you're probably not even fit to be President.
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:41 AM
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70. I would think
That being able to "budget" your money during the race would be one of those things included in "crossing the threshold" for president, don't you think? :think:
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:06 AM
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48. *snark*
:yourock:
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:13 AM
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79. Seems to me she is ready on day one . .
to continue the policies that have this nation on the verge of the final depression.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:34 AM
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84. Just like her campaign debt doesn't affect her personally
Edited on Sun Mar-30-08 10:35 AM by Debi
our debt won't affect her personally either.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:19 AM
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5. If Only The Little People Understood
Kitchen sinks cost money.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:24 AM
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7. You mean the ones at the Bellagio? n/t
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:02 AM
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46. Yep - Tell 'em Rupie!
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:55 AM
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108. Rofl! n/t
:rofl:
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:23 AM
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6. She has to save her money for Mark "the $6 million man" Penn, even though he sucks at his job. n/t
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:25 AM
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9. And to buy Wolfson a new sweater! n/t
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ecdab Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:25 AM
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8. Not having the cash to compete is how many a primary campaign
has ended.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:26 AM
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10. Yet the media remains mute about her having only $3Mil cash on hand and a whopping $9Mil in debt.
You have to wonder why.
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atal Donating Member (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 06:48 AM
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217. $3Mil on hand and $9Mil in debt....
Is that accurate....? From the above report, it seems that Clinton has $33Mil on hand, not $3Mil, with $9Mil in dept...
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atal Donating Member (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 06:53 AM
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218. It's time for Clinton to honorably end her campaign...
.... she's blind if she can't see it's all over.

Maybe she's too proud to get in line behind Obama, which is why she holding on, regardless of the fact that she can cause damage to Obama against McCain..

It would seem to me that Clinton prefers McCain to Obama.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 11:05 AM
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223. She can't touch $21 of the $33 million as it is earmarked for the general
leaving her only $11 million to spend on the primary. She has almost $9 million in debts, so (if she actually PAID her debts) she'd only have $2 million to spend on the primary - BUT she also owes herself $5 million from that personal loan in January. So techincally, if she paid her bills and her loan - with interest -, she's operating on a -$3 million budget.

But what her campaign is doing is ignoring the debts ($14 million through February) and using the $11 million on current expenses - still charging whatever they can ever increasing her debt.

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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 04:26 AM
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233. Actually, MSNBC ran the story several times today that she was $3 Mill in the red w/ 8.7 mil in Debt
I was surprised to see it reported so much. Of course, Clinton surrogates appeared and said it was a lie, that the bills had been paid.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:33 AM
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15. And yet they ignore their immense debt and incur more - hmmmm sound familiar? n/t
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ecdab Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:49 AM
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31. Hillary's campaign is following a familiar pattern.
How many campaigns have we all seen where the money starts drying up and the candidate starts talking about how they are in it for the long haul in order to try and stop the money from drying up even more? I know I've seen quite a few. This is normally followed by a swift exit from the campaign and a small group of stunned campaign donors that don't understand how it could happen that generate a number of conspiracy theories about how their candidate was unfairly forced out of the race. I'm thinking we will see something similar to that again in this case.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:00 AM
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43. I see posts from people saying things like
I'm unemployed but I'm giving $100.00 to Hillary. Or just charged another $50.00 to my credit card for Clinton.

Can't they see that their $$ is just going down a black hole? The campaign IS NOT paying it's debts but only incuring MORE. WTF?
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ecdab Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:10 AM
Response to Reply #43
51. They are giving their $50 to pay her senior campaign advisers
large sums of cash. I don't think many that do so understand that is what is happening, but it is their money to throw away if they so wish. It's kind of sad though when you look at it in the context of the Clinton campaign short paying working men and women.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:20 AM
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58. I know what you are saying, I just can't believe THEY are going in to debt
in order to give money to a campaign that IGNORES their debt.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:49 AM
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32. No cash? Don't pay! Continue campaign. Problem solved. nt
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:07 AM
Original message
Seems to be the MO of the campaign
Edited on Sun Mar-30-08 09:08 AM by Debi
debt? what debt? :yoiks:
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:28 AM
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11. Those daily smear conference calls with the media must be exhorbitant! n/t
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:34 AM
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16. Paying the folks who make the calls is what costs! n/t
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:40 AM
Response to Reply #16
24. !!
:rofl:
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:31 AM
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13. If I were a vendor or a campaign employee
I'd make sure to get my money up front.
You can see it coming... an awful lot of people
are gonna get stiffed by the Clintons when
they're done and finished.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:34 AM
Response to Reply #13
17. Yet they won't release their tax returns
that would show how much money they have made off of the New World Order.

I wonder if they are going to have to pay that back too?
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Blondbostonian Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:43 AM
Response to Reply #17
28. Can you save that NWO crap for the conspiracy board or some Alex Jones forum please?
I lose enough brain cells over here as it is.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:21 AM
Response to Reply #28
60. Lose a few more
Don't let your head implode.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:35 AM
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19. That's the rub for future campaigns
Our local campaigns will pay MORE because of her unpaid debt AND will have to provide it ALL up front.

That's not as easy for a Board of Supervisor or State Senate campaign.

Why should WE make up for Clinton's deadbeat campaign?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:23 AM
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61. Well of course, after another Repub gets in the WH vendors will think
Republicans are a safe bet but not Democrats!

Thanks for spreading the swill and ensuring a Dem won't be elected to the WH..
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:14 AM
Response to Reply #61
80. you're complaining about posting negative info about a Democrat?
Edited on Sun Mar-30-08 10:14 AM by CreekDog
you do it all the time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

or don't you remember your posts?

about Obama starting a race war
about Obama's pastor saying G.. D..., etc.
about Obama rebuked by Ohio Sec of State office

and the list goes on.

you clearly don't even believe your own stated sentiment because you have been hypocritically starting threads that contradict exactly what you have stated here.

nice going...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:09 AM
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:17 AM
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139. It's not low and it's not new - it's factual and accurate
Clinton leaving small vendors, small school districts and colleges, small communities and staff left without payment is low.

It's time she paid her Iowa debts. My tax dollars should NOT have to cover her costs in MY community.

I shop at Hy-Vee. I pay MY bill every time I go there. I should NOT have to pay for increased costs there because HER campaign has stiffed Hy-Vee $15,000.

I pay my son's tuition to the college she had her event at - the fact that she has not paid the bills means that I am paying for her event.

I pay MY property taxes that fund MY county fair grounds. The fact that she has NOT paid for the event there mean's that I am paying for Bill Clinton's event there.

I don't support Hillary Clinton - my tax dollars should NOT be supporting her campaign.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 02:20 PM
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DeschutesRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 07:30 PM
Response to Reply #139
200. Been thinking about this too
Bill Clinton is scheduled for an event here at the local Bend Oregon high school on Monday; apparently hitting Portland and Salem as well. All I wonder now is if in their zeal to see and hear something as well respected as a former president speaking, have they kept up on the news enough to have gotten paid in advance?

I am thinking probably not. Going to suck for those who will be paying for this Clinton junket, since it doesn't seem likely it will be the Clintons.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:34 PM
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203. It will be whoever pays property taxes that support the school
and the production company will just be out of luck unless they sue - let's hope wherever the campaign goes to eat has been reading DU or any other place that has talked about GETTING CASH UP FRONT!
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Jester Messiah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 05:11 AM
Response to Reply #130
215. Is Kerry running in this primary?
Or are you just saying "Hey, look over there!" yet again?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 01:12 PM
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #175
179. Guess the campaign gets what it pays for
or is that on credit too?
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:37 AM
Response to Reply #61
88. Equating Clinton with a republican? Whatever you say! n/t
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 01:10 PM
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174. "Thanks for spreading the swill and ensuring a Dem won't be elected to the WH.."
:rofl:

You couldn't have typed that with a straight face. YOU, of ALL people. The biggest fucking swill spreader on DU.

:rofl:

I knew you were beyond all help...I just didn't realize it was in the Travis Bickle range of gone.

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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:08 AM
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50. heh heh heh...you said "stiffed by the Clintons" n/t
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:21 AM
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59. OMG!
:wow:
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:36 AM
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67. I guess I deserve a dressing down for that
i''ve been very bad : - )))
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:33 AM
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14. And local taxpayers are paying for her campaign, not HER
If you'll notice there are quite a few public school districts on her IOU list , also. I assume it's for the use of their buildings for her get-togethers/rallies/town halls.
So if the school districts are left with an IOU who is footing the bill? Taxpayers who are paying local school taxes which in turn are funding HRC's campaign month after month.

Then at one point she owed Aetna and Blue Cross together $500,000 per one of her IOU lists--February. Let one of us give our health insurance an IOU see how fast your policy is cancelled. As March 20, she STILL owes
Aetna money. Nice indirect way of "getting" money from the health insurance industry...don't pay your bill and keep a running balance that you don't have to pay off. Go to Obama's "paid" list and HE has paid his workers' health insurance bill just fine.

But she sure manages to keep her multiple consultant companies paid on time. Can she not say to them "Hey, I'm going to pay you only 1.5 mil this month instead of $2 mil so I can pay off some of these small businesses/taxpayers"? Fat chance.

HRC needs to be told in the next town she goes to "sorry, we checked your credit report...we will need cash up front before you use our services".
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:38 AM
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22. And charitable organizations
that fund the YWCAs and YMCAs and Boys and Girls Clubs. x(

It's not like the people they serve NEED the money.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:35 AM
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18. She has pledged to balance the federal budget and run this country's finances properly.
But how can we expect her to do that when she can't even run her own campaign's finances?
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:39 AM
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23. Maybe she'll let us know AFTER we elect her
You know, like when we'll see her tax returns and the rest of her First Lady records and.....
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:37 AM
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21. Don't worry, Hillfans, these folks will feel a lot better when they learn that the Clintons
sre worth $50 million or so when those tax returns come out in a couple of weeks.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:40 AM
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25. You really think they'll be released?
Or are they 'in the mail' just like the checks to pay her $8.7 million in debts?
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:42 AM
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26. IF they come out.
For all we know, we'll only see the 2007 return.
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:48 AM
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29. Betcha she files for a 2007 extension

Reportedly her camp had said that she would release her tax info about 3 days before the PA primary...which would put it out on a FRIDAY. Nice take out the trash news dump.
Interestingly, though, there is also a possible debate for that Friday night that the HRC has NOT committed to yet, citing "scheduling conflicts". Uh-huh...the last place she wants to be is in a debate answering questions about her released tax info that she had intended to be dumped into the media Friday night.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:51 AM
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34. And yet what was requested were her 2006 taxes
that will show the stock sell-off before her officially entering the race (among other things).
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:52 AM
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35. Yeah - I've been seeing some reports of her possibly backing out of the debate...
That was the debate that Rep. (and Phlly Dem. Party Chief) Bob Brady had organized at the National Constitution Center. Brady is currently an uncommitted SD.

Not that I think there needs to be any more debates but given all the mess that has come out since the last one, I can see why she would try to weasel out of it. Personally I would rather her DROP OUT before we get to that point.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:41 AM
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91. They should hold it anyway
Have Obama there & still ask Hillary a question, with the camera trained on her empty chair.

dg
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:03 PM
Response to Reply #35
159. Where
have you seen reports that she might back out of the debate?
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:42 AM
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27. Just one more sign that her candidacy is finished
she just hasn't accepted reality yet. When you can't raise enough money to pay your bills, it means you don't have enough popular support to compete. Obama's campaign is financed with donations averaging $109, which is proof that he has the popular support Clinton is lacking.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:49 AM
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30. She was $7 million in debt from January and continued on to now be $8.7 million debt!
At this rate her campaign will be $17.2 million in debt by Denver! How many small vendors, school districts, county fairgrounds, production companies is she going to stiff just go cause chaos in August? AND THEN (if she gets the nomination) how many will extend credit to her campaign through November?

She'll gladly bankrupt small companies and force local tax-payers to pay her bills JUST to fight her improbable fight. Many of us who do not support her are footing the costs for the Clinton campaign.
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PetraPooh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 05:02 PM
Response to Reply #27
192. But how much more is the small business owner and non-profit and taxpayer going to have to
pay for each day she stays in. Obviously she is paying the big corporations that spread her filth since they aren't on the debt list.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:50 AM
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33. these people forgot the first law of business
"show me the money" or "cash up front". yes stiff the working class business and workers is so..republican of her
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:55 AM
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38. They probably thought a campaign that showed $36 million raised in the first quarter
with almost no debt ($1 million)would be able to pay their bills.
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JayFredMuggs Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:03 AM
Response to Reply #38
77. "Voodoo economics" nt
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:52 AM
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36. One thing left unsaid in the story of Nero fiddling around while Rome burned
Edited on Sun Mar-30-08 08:52 AM by izzybeans
was that he broke the bank doing so. So much for balanced budgets.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:56 AM
Response to Reply #36
39. Does Clinton own a fiddle? Or is she just renting one (she'll pay for it later...really) n/t
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:57 AM
Response to Reply #39
41. I'm sure the fiddle playing has been contracted out to some private
company.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:00 AM
Response to Reply #41
44. OUTSOURCING????
:wow:
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:07 AM
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49. See below
:)
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:01 AM
Response to Reply #39
45. She owed Boston Symphony Orchestra like $30,000 at one point
on one of her IOU lists (February, I believe)---that's a LOT of violins...
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:04 AM
Response to Reply #45
47. Still owes it - from her February debt report filed on March 20th
Boston Symphony Orchestra, Inc 29,617.70

+++++++++++++++

It may sound simple - but how much will tickets to the Symphony go up b/c the Clinton camp won't pay the bill? SOMEBODY is going to cover that cost.

x(

Now....when WAS the MA primary again?
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:38 AM
Response to Reply #47
90. Feb. 5
But my state counts for her. I don't understand why she's stiffing us. x(
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:26 AM
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143. Maybe the BSO doesn't count?
How did their performers collectively vote? :shrug:
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:39 AM
Response to Reply #45
69. Actually, not
Many of the violinists in the BSO would have paid more than that for a SINGLE violin. A lot of them probably paid upwards of $3000 just for their violin BOW.

But still, a candidate who is ready on day one ought to be able to figure out how to pay her bills.

With each passing day, she is embarrassing herself more.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:41 AM
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92. Hey, thanks for the education!
How much are symphony members paid per season? Do they make their $$ in private events as well as their regular performances?
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:11 AM
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135. Many of them are adjunct professors
I don't know about the BSO, but a principal player can make a salary of over $100,000 in many orchestras. Please understand that the odds against getting those gigs are about 100 times worse than the odds of making an NBA roster, so those are rare talents. I imagine the more prominent players in the BSO are well into 6 figures with their salary, professor gigs, private lessons, and some recording income. Some of them compose and publish as well.

The BSO is one of the top orchestras, of course. I don't want to give anybody the impression that it is easy money. Professional orchestra jobs are very hard to land, and most of them have compensation by the service such that you really have to hustle to supplement your income.

Musicians have to be a little obsessive. I know some amateur violinists who have several $2000 bows.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:19 AM
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140. Wow! Thanks again n/t
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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #135
188. Heck, many top players don't even BUY their fiddles!!
The folks in the world who can afford to own the old Stradivarii and other famous maker instruments aren't likely to play them. Many of those instruments are loaned to established virtuoso players, some are loaned to up and comers, too.

It seems like some of those folks are a little less than careful with the loaners, though :-). They get left on the tops of cars, airport luggage carts, the seats of restaurants, all kinds of places. A lot of them are someplace mysterious, too. They get stolen and never reappear. There must a be quite a community of collectors with less than stellar morals!

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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:52 AM
Response to Reply #69
102. GO REDS!
:hi: Hi, fellow Cincinnatian!!! :hi:
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:53 AM
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37. Just another example..
... (as if any were needed) of how much HRC cares for the "little guy".
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:57 AM
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40. 'Little guys' don't count. n/t
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Ino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:59 AM
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42. Yet we're to believe she can run the country.
She can't even run a campaign.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:12 AM
Response to Reply #42
53. I wonder how small communities will handle her non-payment of her bills
and how they'll feel when nominee Clinton or President Clinton come back for a visit (and will they charge up front before letting them in?)
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:12 AM
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52. Really? I mean REALLY?!?!
who here is surprised by this? Just move along everyone nothing to see here, umm can't pay bills manage/budget your campaign but you'll make an outstanding leader later.:crazy:

I don't know where y'all come from but where I come from people who do not pay their bills and goto lengths to avoid payment of those bills are called DEADBEATS -

maybe she could borrow money from China - just like shrub
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:14 AM
Response to Reply #52
55. Note the absence of her supporters on this thread
Why aren't they here defending her deficit spending?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:25 AM
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63. It's over your head ..
:rofl:
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:29 AM
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81. Clinton's debt is n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:06 AM
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126. Deleted message
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:10 AM
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131. Careful there, your desperation is showing. n/t
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #131
133. Your desperation shows like a road sign.. pointing down hill..
Edited on Sun Mar-30-08 11:13 AM by Tellurian
You can take a lesson here..we don't want to stand in the way of you enjoying wallowing in your pettiness.

Of course, we'll all pay for your fun in the end...but thats ok.. go right ahead.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5314307
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:21 AM
Response to Reply #133
141. Tell your candidate to pay her outstanding debts - or better yet
rather than giving her the cash directly - pay a portion of her past due debt for her and send the receipt to the campaign as proof of an in kind contribution. That way her IOWA bills finally get paid AND you get to feel REAL GOOD about yourself and your choices. :hi:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #133
176. "wallowing in your pettiness" says the master.
Edited on Sun Mar-30-08 01:13 PM by Forkboy
What's the atmosphere like there on Pluto?
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 01:44 PM
Response to Reply #176
180. Pluto doesn't count - remember....
Pluto is no longer a planet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluto
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #180
182. Pluto will always be a planet to me.
Damn scientists!!!

:)
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 01:55 PM
Response to Reply #182
183. Pluto is dead to the Clinton campaign n/t
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 02:00 PM
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185. *SNARF*
:rofl:
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:13 AM
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54. Images of the Clinton campaign bus pulling into a town...
Edited on Sun Mar-30-08 09:16 AM by rainbow4321
and all the local merchants quickly turning their business front door open/close signs to "CLOSED" as they also shut the front window blinds.

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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:18 AM
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56. Or CASH ONLY! n/t
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:29 AM
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65. Gawd, don't you think they would have taken care of this by this time?
It's a form of insanity, letting this story just keep going from cycle to cycle.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:45 AM
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93. Her supporters keep arguing that she has plenty of COH
but the majority of her COH is General Election funds that CAN'T be spent on primary debt. AND it is still incredible that she hasn't paid small vendor debt from November/December/January. AND her campaign uses all it's current primary contributions for current media costs and IS NOT paying ANY on her debt in fact incurring MORE debt. (Her current COH is around $11 million, her current debt is around $8 million and her personal loan is $5 million - how much does that equal?)

quick...look the other way...is that Rev. Wright coming??? :yoiks:
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:33 AM
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66. If this is how Hillary runs her campaign ...
Edited on Sun Mar-30-08 09:33 AM by workinclasszero
how would she run the country?:shrug:
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:47 AM
Response to Reply #66
95. Her campaign is being run the way our current housing market has been run
The wealthy have their general election funds protected and will probably be returned to them after the convention.

The small donors money is gone and the small vendors and communities are just screwed meaning taxpayers will cover their costs. Sound familiar?
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:37 AM
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68. "Deadbeat Hillary."
How fitting.

I'm glad those who are owed money are going public with their warning. She's become a joke.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:48 AM
Response to Reply #68
97. They have to pay $$ to get the money owed to them
based on a promise from the Clinton campaign. That's awful!
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:42 AM
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71. Sue her. Now.
Individual lawsuits from each and every vendor that she's ripped off should fill the news cycles from now until August.

Worthless fucking deadbeat.
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JayFredMuggs Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:09 AM
Response to Reply #71
78. Not a single Hillary supporter
Here to defend her.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:49 AM
Response to Reply #78
98. There is one upthread freakishly blaming Kerry for this mess
:crazy:
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:51 AM
Response to Reply #71
100. Why should these vendors who already provided their services
and paid their staff/for supplies - permits, etc. have to put out $$ just to get paid? These are small school districts, colleges, county fair grounds as well as YMCA's YWCA's. It's bullshit. Why won't the Clinton camp JUST PAY THEIR BILLS???
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:58 AM
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73. $8 million in debt from stiffing small businesses
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:52 AM
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101. And communites and schools - that means taxpayers n/t
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Kber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:02 AM
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74. The Clinton campaign had become a paper tiger
They are running a Cadillac body with a lawn mower engine.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:53 AM
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105. Paper in the sense of worthless IOUs? n/t
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:03 AM
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76. Why am I utterly not surprised?
Shame on you, Hillary Clinton. Don't be a deadbeat. Pay your damned bills.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:34 AM
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85. Ready on DAY ONE
:rofl:
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:55 AM
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109. CHARGE!! n/t
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:13 AM
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137. LOL
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:35 AM
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86. She has shown her management skills suck.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:57 AM
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113. But her ability to spin is TOP NOTCH MARVELOUS!
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:45 AM
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94. This basically the same story Politico ran back in Feb... the Clinton has responded to this
Edited on Sun Mar-30-08 10:46 AM by JCMach1
issue consistently (note I am quoting from the earlier Politico article):

Her campaign last month dismissed those debts as a matter of bookkeeping. "These are not true debts accruing by the campaign, but simply unpaid invoices," said spokesman Blake Zeff.

Zeff pointed out the campaign at the end of 2007 had enough money in the bank to pay off its debts (it finished the year with $13 million on hand after subtracting the debt and contributions earmarked for the general election).

"Sometimes invoices are not paid immediately because we need additional information for our records, or to verify expenses," said Zeff... http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8613.html

One of the same authors was the same on this article...

The same Politico.com hacks are recycling a story which is ultimately a non-story.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:00 AM
Response to Reply #94
117. "...simply unpaid invoices" = DEBT
and if that were true a) why does she have $1.7 million worth of NEW 'unpaid invoices' and b) why aren't her 'simply unpaid invoices' from Iowa still not paid? her 'unpaid invoices' are very close to exceeding her COH available for the primary (and if she pays her personal loan back they exceed her COH for the primary). What then?
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:05 PM
Response to Reply #94
160. I work in accounts receivables
"Unpaid invoices" means you still have to pay them. I have companies with "unpaid invoices" that are over 30+ days old, and I'm on the phone calling them making sure they pay.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #160
161. And yet your company has to pay it's bills while you attempt to collect those 'unpaid invoices'
x(

In our office we call them past due debts - that's the term I use when I send out collection letters.

We've provided the service, it's time our cosumer pays their bill.

Maybe I should try that when the landlord comes by for the rent check, 'Oh, THIS? Why that's just an upaid invoice, have a nice day' :crazy:
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #161
162. Yep, we still have to pay our bills
:grr: I've hunted down VPs of account payables at big corporations to get them to pay us up.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:21 PM
Response to Reply #162
165. So do those small vendors that the Clinton campaign doesn't give a second thought to
until a law suit is filed. x(

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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:58 PM
Response to Reply #160
206. Anyone who knows anything about ap/ar knows that the previous answer/excuse is silly.
I agree tammywammy, even if the bills are on a net 30, they still need to be paid and are considered accrued debt.
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:48 AM
Response to Original message
96. M$NBC Just Quoted The Story...
And if the M$M starts reporting it more it's going to be a problem for Mrs. Clinton's campaign.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:55 AM
Response to Reply #96
110. see post #104... politico.com IS NOT Democrat friendly-- anything by them
must be greeted with the same suspicion (or more) than you give FOX News.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:02 AM
Response to Reply #110
121. The FEC is not biased - her debt is clearly stated on their web site n/t
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:37 AM
Response to Reply #110
147. And the FEC website???
They are repuke backed, too, I suppose? The public information has been there for MONTHS. The MSM just has been turning a blind eye to it.

This is one time HRC can't blame anyone else..it is HER IOU list from a neutral source.

Let's see her people go on MSM and defend this. Maybe the news show can even bring on some of the business owners who are owed money. Especially the one who has sent HRC a CERTIFIED LETTER to collect debt.

Shouldn't be a problem to make this news ago away. Have HRC tell her finance people NOW to open the account books and write them all checks. Now. No exceptions. All the vendors, school districts, health insurance companies (premiums), all of them. She's going to be raking in a lot of $$ here soon with the Elton John concert..shouldn't be a problem.

Hope this story keeps it's legs starting with Monday's news cycles. let them put the list of IOU's up on their screens along with what dates those bills were incurred (like JANUARY's grocery bill in Iowa).
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:01 AM
Response to Reply #96
119. Actually it's a problem for the folks owed over $8 million by her campaign n/t
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:15 AM
Response to Reply #96
138. No..then her supporters will send sympathy money just as they did
when they found out she wrote a check to herself. If Clinton is so sure she is going to win then she should write a bigger check to herself (10 million or more). Let her gamble with her own money instead of her supporter's money. Especially when the odds are stacked against her.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:25 AM
Response to Reply #138
142. I just recommended to a supporter that they pay on her past debt directly
and send the receipt to the campaign to show an in kind contribution.

If these supporters care about small vendors and small communities they'll pay for Hillary's outrageous deficit spending rather than give her more cash.

They should hold her accountable for her past extravagances rather than indulge her in future expenditures.
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #96
187. It should be a top story.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:51 AM
Response to Original message
99. Sen John Glenn had unpaid campaign bills for several years
I'd rather support a candidate who represents Democratic values than one who is being funded by corporate criminals.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:53 AM
Response to Reply #99
103. Then I guess he endorsed the right candidate!
:thumbsup:

(P.S. Bill Clinton still has campaign debt as well....)
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:54 AM
Response to Reply #99
106. Oh my, that is rich.
I adore former Sen. John Glenn, but that has nothing to do with Clinton's current status as a deadbeat.

As you said in another thread, "Stay focused."
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:01 AM
Response to Reply #106
118. Sen John Glenn has endorsed Hillary
not Obama.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #118
125. Well aware of that.
Edited on Sun Mar-30-08 11:06 AM by VolcanoJen
And when it happened, I wrote a post cohgratulating Clinton on Glenn's endorsement. It's one I would have loved for Obama to have gotten.

See, I'm gracious like that.

But again, Ozark, what in the hell does the great Sen. Glenn have to do with Clinton not paying her bills?

I mean, look at this group in Youngstown, the hometown of my parents? Right here in our beloved state?

And word is getting around that Clinton’s campaign does not promptly pay those who labor to make her events look good, said an employee of the event production company Forty Two of Youngstown, Ohio.

“I feel insulted by the way that the campaign treated this company and treated us personally,” said the employee, who did not want to be named talking about a client.

The Clinton campaign paid the company $16,500 to set up a stage, press riser, sound system and backdrops at a Youngstown high school last month for a raucous union rally, where an aggressive Clinton stump speech drew thunderous applause. But the Clinton campaign has yet to pay Forty Two for two other February events, and the employee said the campaign has stopped returning phone calls, e-mails and didn’t respond to a certified letter.

“We worked very hard to put together these events on a moment’s notice and do absolutely everything to a ‘t’ to make it look perfect on television for her and for her campaign,” said the employee. “Sen. Clinton talks about helping working families, people in unions and small businesses. But when it comes down to actually doing something that shows that she can back up her words with action, she fails.”

Forty Two also has done events for Obama’s campaign, which has paid its bills promptly, according to the employee. FEC records show Obama’s campaign paid the company $18,500.


Apparently to Sen. Clinton, her word doesn't matter. Promises to pay? Just words.
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:55 AM
Response to Reply #99
111. How Ironic You Suuport Mrs. Clinton Then...
Since she doesn't represent Democratic values and she is being funded by corporate criminals. But this thread is about her being a deadbeat, not some of her other flaws.
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Heathen57 Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 06:00 AM
Response to Reply #99
234. Since when is stiffing small businesses
while continuing to pay for ads, and consultants a Democratic values?!?

You gotta be kidding.:puke: :puke: :puke:
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:53 AM
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104. And what about the source of info... here is the people that bring you politico.com
Of course, who cares since it is pro-Obama, right???


... Frederick J. Ryan Jr., former Assistant to U.S. President Ronald Reagan<2>, and currently chairman of the Board of Trustees of the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library Foundation, is president and CEO of The Politico.<3>

The Politico is run by Robert Allbritton, a member of the clique that had earlier sponsored former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet. <2>... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Politico


So the President and CEO of The Politico, Frederick Ryan, is also the Board Chairman for the Reagan Library. And that makes sense, because Ryan is a long-time, hard-core Reaganite. From a November 1987 Press Release:

Appointment of Frederick J. Ryan, Jr., as Assistant to the President

November 4, 1987

The President today announced the appointment of Frederick J. Ryan, Jr., to be Assistant to the President.

Since February 1985 Mr. Ryan has been responsible for the White House Office of Private Sector Initiatives as well as serving as Director of Presidential Appointments and Scheduling. Mr. Ryan began serving at the White House in February 1982 as Deputy Director of Presidential Appointments and Scheduling. In February 1983 he was appointed Special Assistant to the President and Director of Presidential Appointments and Scheduling. Mr. Ryan was previously an attorney with the Los Angeles law firm of Hill, Farrer and Burrill. While engaged in his practice, he published several articles on various aspects of the law.

Mr. Ryan graduated from the University of Southern California (B.A., 1977) and the University of Southern California Law Center (J.D., 1980). He was born April 12, 1955, in Tampa, FL. Mr. Ryan is married and resides in Washington, DC.

So the President and CEO of The Politico worked in multiple positions in the Reagan White House, and was continuously promoted until he rose to the level of Assistant to the President. And his close connection to the Reagan family and the Reagan presidency continues through today.

Are we supposed to treat this fact as irrelevant or something when assessing what The Politico is and what type of political coverage it churns out? There is nothing wrong per se with hard-core political operatives running a news organization. Long-time Republican strategist Roger Ailes oversees Fox News, of course. But it seems rather self-evident that a news organization run by someone with such clear-cut political biases ought to have a hard time holding itself out as some sort of politically unbiased source of news.

The Politico's biggest boosters are Matt Drudge and George W. Bush, and it is run by a Reagan loyalist. At the very least, those facts are worth considering. Given that Editor-in-Chief John Harris has repeatedly vowed to be more "transparent" in how they conduct themselves, shouldn't we have some understanding of the role played by Ryan, and what his connection is to "Allbritton Communications," whose "deep pockets" are (partially? fully?) financing The Politico?... UPDATE: The Politico's primary (perhaps sole) funding source is the Allbritton Company, of which Frederick Ryan is an employee. The Allbritton family's leader, Joe, was CEO of Riggs Bank when Riggs pleaded guilty to a series of illegal financial transactions with right-wing Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet and his brutal military that took place throughout the 1990s and into 2001.

Although Allbritton himself was never charged with knowledge of those illegal transactions, he maintained what appears to be a close personal and business relationship with the right-wing dictator (h/t Jonathan Schwarz):

When Joe L. Allbritton was chief executive of Riggs Bank, he received personal gifts from Augusto Pinochet and wanted the former Chilean dictator to visit the Allbritton horse farm in Virginia, according to drafts of letters from 1996 and 1997.

The drafts were found in the bank's investigation of the relationship between Allbritton and Pinochet, whose government murdered or tortured an estimated 3,000 political opponents over 17 years. . . . http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/05/04/politico_funding/index.html
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:55 AM
Response to Reply #104
107. www.FEC.gov
That's the origniating source :crazy: go ahead and shoot the messenger - doesn't change Clinton's failure to pay her bills.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:58 AM
Response to Reply #107
114. That's not reporting,,, it's the standard FEC reports-- Politico.com did the same story in FEB
and are recycling it to attack Democrats to their own advantage...

If you are for that, then go right ahead.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:04 AM
Response to Reply #114
122. She has incurred an additional $1.7 million in debt SINCE the last Politico report
and STILL hasn't paid the vendors she owed previously. So it's not the same story, it's new and it's worse. Her campaign has no concern for the small vendors and communities they ARE NOT PAYING or the tax payers and individuals who will have to cover those unpaid costs in raised prices and propery taxes.
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:45 AM
Response to Reply #114
150. Hillary is the one recycling....
By adding to her debts with her March IOU's. If she had wiped her 2 month long debt slate clean there would be no story. It would be "Great, she paid off ALL of her debts in February (including the one's left over from January) and now she all she owes is for a few weeks in March". Nothing to report. No vendors to interview cuz they would all be saying "uh, no problem with the Clinton campaign, we were paid a while back".

Not the case here. She assumed that she got off scot-free once the first finance/IOU story was written and just continued in her old ways of unpaid bills. Because of THAT, it is now a story. Again. And I imagine once we get the next FEC report it will be much of the same.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:59 AM
Response to Reply #104
115. Are you alleging that Politico has wholly fabricated this story?
What about all those quotes from the small business that are owed money by Sen. Clinton? This isn't exactly a new story... it goes all the way back to Iowa. The OP has been following this story since Deadbeat Day One.

You may feel Politico has a pro-Obama bias, but unless you can show that said pro-Obama bias has led to their utter fabrication that Clinton owes much money to vendors, then you should really just stay out of this one.

The "Hey, look over here!" strategy is weak.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #115
173. I am also not attacking Obama... just pointing out Politico has its own agenda!
and at the moment that agenda is attacking Hillary...

Watch this attack dog though, it will turn...


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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:56 AM
Response to Original message
112. Debi, kudos to you. You've been ALL OVER this story for months now.
:dem:
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #112
127. Thanks VJ - her campaign still hasn't paid our local fair grounds or
performing arts center (even after we called to ask if the bill had been paid and a supporter of her assured us it was...yet there it is on her upaid debts).

We'll see how much MORE debt she's incurred in the April 20th reporting - wondering if it will be available before the primary.
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Frumious B Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:00 AM
Response to Original message
116. How can she claim to be a friend of regular working people when her campaign stiffs them?
Apparently she has the money to pay the Penns and the Wolfsons, but everybody else can just stand in line especially small businesses.
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40ozDonkey Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:05 AM
Response to Reply #116
123. All the money went to cronies. Sorry, little guy.
Mark Penn was paid 6 million dollars to lose an easy primary.

Small vendors in Ohio? Pshaw.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:08 AM
Response to Reply #116
128. Not only stiffs them, but makes them BEG for their money.
How insulting.

Seriously unbecoming of any Democratic candidate.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:08 AM
Response to Reply #116
129. ESPECIALLY small school districts and communities
who will use tax-payer dollars to pay for the Clinton campaigns unpaid expenses.

So, whether or not YOU supported her in the primaries, you will be paying for her campaign. :thumbsup:
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:13 AM
Response to Original message
136. ...
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:27 AM
Response to Reply #136
144. Wonder how much THAT cost! n/t
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:34 AM
Response to Original message
145. Campaigning on the cheap...

Clinton camp reimburses; landlord to donate check to Obama campaign
February 13, 2008 12:19 PM

http://www.seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080213/NEWS/80213011
by: Karen Dandurant Seacoast Online

Rochester doctor Terry Bennett has finally been paid by the Clinton campaign for rental of a Portsmouth building he owns. Now, he says he will donate the $500 check to Barack Obama’s campaign.
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Bennett said he believes the only reason the Clinton campaign paid for renting his 236 Union St. storefront is because he became the “squeaky wheel,” contacting the Herald last week in frustration because he had not been paid for more than a month.

“Thirty days went by, with no replies to phone calls, e-mails, no replies at all. Suddenly a newspaper article comes out. It was the worst publicity they could get. Three days go by and I get a check,” said Bennett.

In fact, Michael Whitney of Keller Williams Coastal Realty, who handles Bennett’s rental, said the check came through UPS Express mail, and was overnighted.


Bennett went public last week, saying he rented a warehouse/office space to Clinton campaign workers for five days prior to the Jan. 8 presidential primary. He rented the space for $100 a day to be used as a campaign headquarters and dormitory.

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When Bennett’s story came out, other people contacted the Herald about unpaid bills from the Clinton campaign. Iowa resident Richard Reese is the owner of Top Job Services Inc., a cleaning service in Des Moines. His company was hired in November of last year, prior to the Iowa caucuses, to clean the Clinton campaign headquarters on a regular basis.
Reese provided the Herald with invoices and said he had not seen one penny of the $7,561.70 he is owed. As of Wednesday, he still hadn’t.

“I got a call on Sunday from the Clinton campaign who said they were putting the money in a two-day envelope,” said Reese. “Today is Wednesday, and I already got the mail, but there’s no check.”




Michael Whitney of Keller Williams Coastal Reality in Portsmouth holds a $500.00 check payable to Terry Bennett from the Hillary Clinton campaign. Bennett said he will now donate the check to the Barack Obama campaign.Rich Beauchesne photo
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:48 AM
Response to Reply #145
151. !!
:applause:
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:34 AM
Response to Original message
146. And then she wants to run our economy?
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:49 AM
Response to Reply #146
152. Isnt' that how it's being run right now?
Look at our housing market.
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:52 AM
Response to Reply #152
154. As an investor I am feeling the pain. :(
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #154
156. If you own property and the Clinton campaign had an event at a local school
or college or county fair grounds (and likely hasn't paid for it) - the Clinton camp says 'Thanks for the support' :thumbsup:
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:41 AM
Response to Original message
148. It says:
The New York senator’s presidential campaign ended February with $38 million in the bank, according to a report filed last week with the Federal Election Commission, but only $16 million of that can be spent on her battle with Obama.

The rest can be spent only in the general election, if she makes it that far, and must be returned if she doesn’t. If she had paid off the $8.7 million in unpaid bills she reported as debt and had not loaned her campaign $5 million, the cash she would have had available at the end of last month to spend on television ads and other upfront expenses would have been less than $2 million.


Does this mean she has 16 million including debts or 2 million..?
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:51 AM
Response to Reply #148
153. I believe that is correct
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:52 AM
Response to Reply #148
155. Simply put - if she ignores her debt (as she has been doing)
she has the cash. (and will continue to screw the small vendors and communities)

If she runs a responsible campaign (or at least starts now) and pays her debts, then she is STILL in the hole $2 million.

But I suspect you knew that :hi:

++++++++++++++++++

Important not for those who care - she CANNOT use general campaign funds for primary debt. Even if she's the nominee that money is owed and needs to be paid....or not if you're Hillary Clinton.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:42 AM
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149. This is not right. It would be one thing if we were talking about huge corporations.
They can afford to absorb the cost until payment is collected. But some of these vendors are public entities like school districts as well as local small businesses. They need their money.

Usually the terms are NET 30, unless otherwise specified. If the average American didn't pay their bills for 3 months, what would happen to them? And then, to not even return the phone calls or emails of the vendors seeking payment? Not good. They are a campaign that has raised millions of dollars. They should be able to, at the very least, let these vendors know when they can expect payment.

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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:58 AM
Response to Reply #149
157. What would happen to you if you didn't pay your insurance premium?
Look at what her campaign owes on THAT!

And most of us aren't given the choice of pay or charge. I have to pay for my groceries when I pick them up. I have to pay my phone bill monthly. I have to pay my electric bill monthly. I have to pay up front to stay in a hotel or at least provide a deposit if I hold an event there.

Look at her unpaid payroll taxes :crazy:

Who gets to do that?
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:02 PM
Response to Reply #149
158. I work accounts receivables for a company
I would be all over them for not paying. :grr:
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #158
163. Maybe we should send you to get her to pay her bills!
:scared:
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:21 PM
Response to Reply #163
164. LOL
:)

It's my job. I call other companies and tell them to pay up.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:25 PM
Response to Reply #164
166. Yep, I call people - and when they don't respond I send them to collection.
Which costs me $$ (since I have to PAY to get PAID x()

What a selfish campaign.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:29 PM
Response to Reply #166
168. I'm lucky really
Edited on Sun Mar-30-08 12:30 PM by tammywammy
I only have one account that I'm not sure if they can pay. They're a small mom and pop business, and so I'm going to be setting up a payment plan from them.

But then I've had big corporations, that tried to not pay us, and I've moved up the food chain to get paid. The individual stores weren't paying, but the main corporation didn't know. Once I let them know, surprise surprise the individual store pays up. :) The main corporation doesn't want to piss off people like us.

But since I took over this position, I have managed to get some people to pay up, that the previous lady couldn't. :)

I had a guy that had bounced a check over 9 months earlier finally come in a pay it off. LOL.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:26 PM
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167. wow
K&R

she gets worse and worse everyday
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 01:01 PM
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171. Who knows what she's spent since Feb 29th and what debt she's incurred
We'll know on April 20th (but the MSM will continue to ignore it)
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 03:37 PM
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190. from what i understand both camps expend close to a million, daily.
ouch.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 06:49 PM
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195. But Obama has it to spend
Clinton does not.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:33 PM
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169. So what would be the most fun way for this to enter the campaign
1. Aggrieved vendors appear at Hillary photo-op demanding money

2. At a debate Obama asks Hillary when she's going to pay the hard-working Americans who she's been stiffing.

3. The vendors go onto Oprah.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 01:02 PM
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172. Hah, Oprah.
:P
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:59 PM
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170. K - this thread will make you laugh!
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TexanDem Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 01:15 PM
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177. She supports the working stiffs? No, she stiffs the working people!
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 01:36 PM
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178. Excellent comment - how'd convention go yesterday? n/t
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TexanDem Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 05:21 PM
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193. Huge turnouts all over state! O is projected winner! :)))
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 06:50 PM
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196. Congratulations! n/t
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theredpen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 01:46 PM
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181. That's strange because she's been saving money on tips...
:evilgrin:
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 01:56 PM
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184. That was in Iowa too
x(
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Egalitariat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 02:00 PM
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186. She was fibbing when she promised to pay. She's known to fib a little***
nm
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 07:01 PM
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197. Wait, she didn't pay her 2007 debts because of the sniper fire in 1996?
:crazy: NOW I've heard EVERY excuse!
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PetraPooh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 04:54 PM
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191. Is this how she plans on running the finances of the country as well?
If that "Summary" is correct she has enough to pay the debts and still have $4M+/-, so why isn't she paying her bills. This is the most disturbing, I mean if she was broke that would be one thing, but the cash is on hand and she still isn't paying her debt. Is this how she plans on handling our national finances when she is president?
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 07:02 PM
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198. You're forgetting her person load that must be repaid as well. n/t
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 07:04 PM
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199. Hillary, angel of mercy for the working class.
:sarcasm:

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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:39 PM
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204. Well, I was thinking a little less than angel...
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:02 PM
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207. Is this a sign of a campaign finding itself out of cash?
That also raises questions, of course. If we're looking to our next president for the fiscal responsiblity utterly lacking in the current one, then spending money they don't have isn't a good sign.

I suppose they can do a "pass the hat" type fundraising campaign based on this stuff should they be willing to admit it's happening. "Fire sale" fundraising does sometimes work. You just can't go to that well very often.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:06 PM
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208. Debt is sexist!
:mad:
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 11:08 AM
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224. I thought that said 'Debi is sexist'!
:spray:

Where the hell is MY potroast???
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:40 PM
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227. How'd you get out of the kitchen?!
:hide:
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 03:30 PM
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229. I used the GINSU set you shoplifted for me to cut through the ropes
x(
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gal Donating Member (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:50 PM
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209. This should be a campaign issue.
This is a totally legitimate issue that I think she needs to answer.
1. If she can't manage a campaign how is she going to manage a country.
2. She is so worried about working for the little guy, but only AFTER she is in the Whitehouse?

If she isn't taking care of them now she surely won't be later. This needs to be picked up in mainstream news. This is important to me as an issue as it goes to her character.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 11:03 AM
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222. Welcome to DU, gal!
:toast:
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:08 PM
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211. I wonder if she's paying her PA vendors
I hope they hear about this before they get stiffed too.
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 04:09 AM
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213. Time to send Obama some more cash
For the coup de grass.
just sayin'.
:shrug:
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 04:42 AM
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214. Its expected.
Edited on Mon Mar-31-08 04:54 AM by dbmk
Obama gets more money, so money doesn't count.

Can't wait for Penn/Wolfson to spin it into her being better at handling a troubling economy. :)

or just "I was sleep deprived and miscounted"?
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 05:55 AM
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216. Its typical of political campaigns;
vendors probably expect it.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 11:01 AM
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221. unnn, don't know...I don't see this kind of fiscal managment out of Obamas campaign
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 11:11 AM
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225. Some debt is expected - possibly 30 to 60 days of it
Obama is $625,000 in debt (however he has $31 million in primary dollars to pay that)

Clinton owes $8.7 million w/out enough COH to pay those bills AND some of those debts are 120 days old.

THAT is not typical of campaigns and vendors do not expect it to take THAT long to be paid.

Which is why we are seeing the small claims law suits and calls to the media about unpaid bills.

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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 08:13 PM
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230. Calls in the media against clinton,
at this time in this circus, is no surprise; in fact, is to be expected as part of the media 'game.'

I'm not defending this, and I don't have a horse in this race (dog in this show????) But I do know that accumulating debt and taking years to repay it is typical; I live in DC area, and learned from friends in the area about this u.s. 'tradition.'
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:26 AM
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235. It isn't a widely practiced tradition - only praticed by some
and that stinks!

It's one thing to carry a debt load w/advisers or media cosultants who a campaign has already paid out millions, it's another to bankrupt small vendors because of non-payment (see the treads about John Glenn).

I doubt anyone owed the money isn't enjoying this 'game'.
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 08:37 AM
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219. Definately not the kind of management I would want from a chief executive
That is one reason why I am a Democrat: Republicans love spending money they don't have.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 11:11 AM
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226. Yep
Hello DLC!!
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 03:41 AM
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231. kick
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 04:24 AM
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232. kick
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