TX voters: They now hate Hillary "with the fire of a thousand suns"

[DesEtoiles]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/30/15757/2729/63/477945

Unlike Kath, I was largely unable to take photos because my credentials were challenged. Along with the credentials of a large swath of the elected delegates.

After six or so extremely hot, crowded, confusing hours, many of us were unable to determine why, exactly, our credentials had been challenged. The Clinton camp had announced that they were targeting the 23rd district for credentials challenges and, by god, that's what they did.

By the end, the Clinton folks were willing -- hell, eager -- to throw out not just random individuals but the entire delegation of 2 precincts. (So much for voter enfranchisement, eh, Hills?)

The protest process was tailor-made for alienating committed voters, wearing them out to the point where they would drop out. By the end of the night, the convention floor was abuzz with tired, pissed-off voters who now hate Hillary with the fire of a thousand suns.

I'm one of them. Thanks for sucking those 10 or so hours away from me, Hills. Love ya. Mean it.

[C_U_L8R]

1. Nothing like pissing off the electorate

in the internet age.
DOH !

[DesEtoiles]

2. falls right in line with the rest of Hillary's disastrous campaign

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

34. "Hours of Delays Due to Clinton Challenges"

Hours of Delays Due to Clinton Challenges

Posted: 30 Mar 2008 09:00 AM CDT

In an effort to exhaust Obama supporters and discourage them from participating, Clinton supporters challenged the credentials of thousands of delegates at the State Senate District 23 convention in Dallas, one of Obama's strongholds, delaying the process by nearly ten hours.

Melody Townsel has this report up on DailyKos:

After six or so extremely hot, crowded, confusing hours, many of us were unable to determine why, exactly, our credentials had been challenged. The Clinton camp had announced that they were targeting the 23rd district for credentials challenges and, by god, that's what they did. <...>

The protest process was tailor-made for alienating committed voters, wearing them out to the point where they would drop out. By the end of the night, the convention floor was abuzz with tired, pissed-off voters who now hate Hillary with the fire of a thousand suns. <...>

In the end, the Hillary camp did successfully win challenges on 22 delegates. Out of a total of 2,650. When the announcement came, we calculated that the 10-hour delay of the start of our convention averaged roughly a successful challenge only every 30 minutes.

So we stayed. Surprise, Hillary! Not a single delegate OR ALTERNATE left early from my precinct, which meant that the delegation not continuing on to state spent 12 hours making the Texas delegate count official.

The results from District 23, via the Dallas Morning News:

Senate District 23

Obama: 82 percent

Clinton: 18 percent

more here
http://www.onemillionstrong.us/showDiary.do?diaryId=1038

[Vinca]

3. Is there a final count in Texas yet?

We need to pester the hell out of MSM to report that Obama actually won the state, not Clinton.

[meow mix]

4. im at several millions of suns..

:grr:

[Cha]

23. Right..there is no

finite way for me to measure the wrath the clingons have incured.

[City Lights]

30. LOL!

"the clingons" :rofl:

You crack me up, zidzi! :toast:

[Cha]

38. A SUNday Toast!

:toast: No Surrender :patriot: :bounce: :kick: :party:

[Liberal Veteran]

31. Make those O type suns....they're the hottest

[WolverineDG]

51. I'm at a brazillion suns

our convention was not run according to the TDP rules. When the Hillary camp discovered that Obama had won alternates, they got a second, illegal vote. That was objected to, as well as the way the entire convention was being run & we were told to sit down & shut up. So the Hillary folks, who hypocritically later passed a resolution to seat the FL & MI delegations, disenfranchised Obama supporters.

And here is what a member of Hillary's legal team told an African American Obama supporter at the convention: "I can't wait until all the African Americans are out of the campaign." I would LOVE a Hillary supporter to try to convince anyone that is NOT a racist statement.

dg

[CoffeeCat]

5. How does someone challenge a delegate's credentials?

I don't get this.

The delegates show up, with their credential packet. They're signed in, they walk into the gymnasium
or conference room where the voting takes place--and delegates are counted.

How can Hillary (or anyone, for that matter?) challenge a person's "credentials"?

What exactly is she saying...that Obama delegates aren't supposed to be Obama delegates? Or
they're not tall enough?

I'd like to understand exactly what Queen Hillary is suggesting is wrong with these delegates
and their "credentials."

[LiberalAndProud]

11. It probably has to do with this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4884485

These credential fights have been in the works since the primary.

[kwenu]

19. All you have to do is fill out a form and state your complaint.

Tons of stuff to nitpick over. For example, name on voter registration card is not exactly as the name used when signed into convention (caucus) rolls (ie. Bill vs. William; Mrs. William Smith vs. Nancy Smith); precinct convention was slow to start and was confusing when it did start, etc.

Almost all of these challenges fail and rarely will you find true fraud but the time it takes to hear these complaints and the burden of being dragged through the process is the true weapon. They're just hoping you'll say enough and go away.

[joshcryer]

70. Oh so just because it's "rare" for it to be found (what, 5%), it shouldn't be done?

People better be glad the campaigns didn't hit every single caucusing place in the whole state. Clearly they picked that one location because of the disproportionate votes against Hillary and they found it suspicious.

And low and behold they did find a few wrong delegates. It probably went like that in many caucus locations.

This is why caucusing is bad, and I hope the OP petitions their state party to get rid of this undemocratic system.

[CoffeeCat]

77. Stop the lies...

I'm so sick and tired of you Hillary shills regurgitating her vomit regarding the caucuses.

Our state has had caucuses for nearly a century. Many Democrats and Republicans have won
these caucuses. Most have lost.

Never, in the history of our caucus process--has a politician swung the hatchet into the process
like Hillary. Because she lost, she must tear the process to shreds.

And her flying monkeys--who have never attended a caucus--spew her ill-informed malarkey without
a care.

Caucuses are incredibly democratic. No one complained about "unfairness" or "disenfranchisement"
or all of this other junk--until lying Hillary lost in Iowa.

Hillary lost in Iowa, bolted out of the state all hot and bothered--and then proceeded to scream,
"Unfairness!!! Disenfranchisement!!" What a louse she is. Does this idiot realize that this
year---participating in the Iowa caucuses increased by 100 percent?!" . People came out in
droves. Volunteers provided childcare, drove people to the caucuses and called people on the voter
rolls to meet their needs and get them there. Her arguments are contrary to the facts!

Despite this 100 percent increase in caucus turnout this year--most caucuses were completed in one
hour or less! However, if you listen to lying Hillary, you'd think the process was as complicated
and as time consuming as brain surgery. It's time to start calling this woman what she is...a shameless,
vapid, liar!

She's detestable. That's why she's losing in these caucuses. The people in these states, who have
ran caucuses for decades, know what a selfish, destructive bullshit artist she is.

If she can't win the caucuses, then by God...THE CAUCUSES WILL GO DOWN!!!!

That's Hillary's answer to everything. What a lying sack of shit she is.

Go ahead, follow her down the rat-hole. You lemmings---hacking for Princess Sniper Fire--are beyond the pale.

[joshcryer]

80. I have been against caucuses since 2000.

Please don't lie about *me*.

[joshcryer]

69. The irony is that the challenges did find suspicious delegates.

And that in fact the caucusing process allows for this and so on.

[CoffeeCat]

78. Actually, I haven't heard ONE account of a delegate...

...showing up who wasn't legitimate.

Hillary tried to gum up the process and challenge clerical points--such as someone named "William Smith"
being selected as a delegate, but "Bill Smith" signing in.

Is this the kind of rabid, horrific fraud that your gal is alleging?

Give me a break.

This was a Hillary plot to cause disenfranchisement---and punish Obama supporters for taking away her
inevitability tiara.

Poor little princess. If she can't win the nomination, then everyone else has to suffer.

Please post examples of "suspicious delegates" and the valid reasons for their rejection If you can
find something other than clerical errors--please post them. However, I'm sure you won't find
any, because this was a trumped-up load of bull, orchestrated by sore-loser Hillary.

I'll be waiting for those legitimate examples.

[joshcryer]

81. The link provides the examples.

"In the end, the Hillary camp did successfully win challenges on 22 delegates."

[CoffeeCat]

82. Yes, but people have stated that these...

...challenges were on technicalities and clerical items. Which is exactly what I said in my post.

It wasn't as if people showed up, off the street--and said they were delegates wanting to participate.

I asked you to produce an example of this, and clearly you can't.

No one can't, because it doesn't exist.

Hillary just likes to intimidate and play games, by disenfranchising delegates who should have
been counted--but weren't because they signed their pledge card "William" but their name was listed
as "Bill" on the voter roll.

That's repulsive.

[joshcryer]

83. You don't consider "technicalities and clerical items" suspicious?

Sounds like RW vote counting to me.

[CoffeeCat]

85. Uhhhhhhh.....NO.

If legitimate delegates, who were chosen at the caucuses---show up to be counted
at these County Conventions--they should DAMN WELL BE COUNTED.

They should not be held up at the door for six hours because Hillary the ass decides
that she's going to try to disenfranchise legitimate delegates because someone forgot
to dot an 'i' or write "Bill" instead of William.

Do you actually think that legitimate delegates should be disenfranchised because
Hillary picks on precincts in which Obama dominates, and she tries to nullify their
voices on a clerical error?

You people are so hypocritical at this point...I'm surprised your heads don't spin
off of your shoulders from all of the double talk.

On one hand, you perpetuate the lies that caucuses "disenfranchise", but on the other
hand, when Hillary's deliberate efforts to disenfranchise legitimate delegates--you
all applaud.

You're applauding the disenfranchisement of legitimate delegates, you realize that
don't you?

Delegates can only walk in the door of a County Convention if they have a packet mailed
to them by the Democratic party. That packet is their "credentials."

These people were all legitimate. Hillary silenced legitimate voters.

I'm sure you'll find some excuse for it. More bullshit from the bullshit wing of the
Democratic party. I didn't even know we had a bullshit wing until Hillary ran.

[OzarkDem]

6. Bwahahaha! DailyKos

Sorry I only support Democratic web sites.

[cali]

7. No you don't. And tough for you and your ilk

that kos is by far the most influential dem blog or website. Why do you think that Kerry, Durbin, Pelosi, Conyers and dozens of other dem lawmakers post there? Why the hell do you think that virtually every dem running for Congress posts there?

You live in a dim world of denial.

[Tarheel_Dem]

67. and that's why Hill supporters are always posting links to MyDD...

they're trying to drive up traffic there, and I refuse to follow any link to MyDD. Huffington Post has eclipsed Drudge, and Kos is a sanctuary for Dems who still have a modicum of sanity left.

[dchill]

8. Do you know...

who Melody Townsel is?

[DesEtoiles]

9. This is a personal report from Melody Townsel, the woman who faced down John Bolton

This is her report from the convention.

Hillary challenged MELODY TOWNSEL's credentials.

When do we get to use the B word about Hillary? If this doesn't call for it, I don't know what does.

[Liberal Veteran]

16. Barnacle? Back biter? Blind? Boring? Buzzard?

[DesEtoiles]

18. another blogger describes Hillary supporters as "angry, morse" fat bullies

That sounds about right to me.

[WillyT]

36. I Believe That Would Be Bitch...

Or 'biyatch' if you prefer.

:shrug:

[jgraz]

58. Seriously? After all that Hillary's done to fuck up this election, all you have is a sexist slur?

C'mon, you can be more creative than that.

[OzarkDem]

21. Being anti-Bolton (or even anti-Bush) doesn't make you a Democrat

I'm beginning to think Obama's campaign is nothing more than Nader 2.0 with more GOP money.

[Liberal Veteran]

27. Certainly having fundraisers with Murdoch and one on ones with Scaife....

....doesn't make you a democrat.

[WolverineDG]

54. Having a union-busting lawyer as part of your Texas legal team

doesn't make you a democrat either. I'm surprised she still has union endorsement with this guy on her team:

http://slrllc.com/our/index.html

(no, he wasn't the one who made the comment. as far as I know, he was not at our convention.)

dg

[roguevalley]

45. keep going, ozarkdem. keep showing yourself as what you are: a

sore loser.

God, I came late to Obama. I loved Edwards past the point where I needed to find someone else. It was never Clinton. I have never voted for a republican in my life and I'm not about to now. Keep going. There are five stages of grief. You're only in one.

[PatGund]

56. Right.....

So, only anyone who supports the DLC and/or drinks the Sen. Clinton Koolaid are "real Democrats" now??

[merh]

60. You are truly delusional

What makes someone a member of the democratic party in your eyes?

Share with us, I have been begging you to share with us the positives, the positions, the good things about HRC's candidacy and now I beg you, I implore you to do that and tell me what is a good dem.

[dionysus]

79. rofl

huffing glue is bad... m'kay?

[WolverineDG]

52. Pathetic?

I know, not a "b" word, but fitting nonetheless.

dg

[madfloridian]

12. Pay attention to the poster.

[OzarkDem]

24. No thanks, I'm a Democrat

and hating Hillary and Bill Clinton (the most successful Dem president in recent history) is not what I do or support.

Rejecting and demonizing the accumulated experience and benefits of the Clinton/Gore years is incredibly ignorant and very un-Democratic. I'm a Democrat, I don't support the GOP.

[intaglio]

39. Bill Clinton - the most successful Dem Pres in recent history

so you must be consider every dem President after Johnson so that would leave - errrrr - Carter and Clinton

so you actually mean Clinton - More successful than Carter

C'mon set the bar a bit higher than that FFS

[anonymous171]

42. Clintons' cult believe that the Clintons themselves are the democratic party.

Therefore anything that isn't pro-clinton isn't democratic.

[OzarkDem]

47. Sorry you don't like Democrats

but most Americans do.

[Drachasor]

73. If disliking Hillary is disliking Democrats, then you are dead wrong

Polls indicate most Americans don't like Hillary.

Personally, I think the Democratic Party is a lot bigger than any one person or one family, however.

[OzarkDem]

46. Better than the GOP

and yes, though I admire him greatly and thought he did a good job, Clinton was better than Carter.

[intaglio]

57. OD being "better" than Carter is like

salted porridge being "better" than gruel - there isn't a lot to choose between them

[City Lights]

32. Sexist!

[RazBerryBeret]

33. and your list

of "democratic" web sites is getting smaller and smaller, right?
kind of makes you wonder....

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

35. like Richard Mellon Scaife, of the "Vast right wing conspiracy?"

you are running out of "sites" that you consider "democratic".

[Liberal Veteran]

37. It's only a matter of time before someone declares FR to be the truly democratic site.

:rofl:

[Forkboy]

66. The clown probably loved the Hannity and Newsmax stories about Obama.

OD is a real something, but Democrat isn't it.

[roguevalley]

40. if you don't support dailykos, you don't support dems. you only

support those few left that still support Hillary. what a tiny island you must be standing on.

[Forkboy]

65. I hope your clothes all use velcro fasteners....

...because you're so dumb I'm not sure you're up for the challenge of buttons or zippers.

[C_U_L8R]

10. The funniest thing is...

Hillary lost anyway.

[dkf]

14. All Hillary did was make people's lives miserable...and on purpose.

[DarienComp]

13. Maybe their credentials were challenged

because they were brandishing sniper rifles?

[Faygo Kid]

15. We should be surprised, how?

It's abundantly clear that she will stop at nothing to get the nomination. Look for more of the same, and worse.

Will be interesting to see what the superdelegates do in response to her scorched earth tactics. She may be respected, she may be feared. But she isn't loved. Many superdelegates may just decide they have had it with her soon and coalesce to end this thing before the party's prospects across the board go down with her.

[Adelante]

17. What a nightmare nt

[Mme. Defarge]

20. Recommended and bookmarked -- n/t

[Catherina]

22. HRC winning little people friends left and right

She's as bad as her philandering husband, you can't let her out of your sight for a minute.

[OzarkDem]

25. Nader 2.0, with more GOP money

that is what Obama's campaign has turned into.

[anonymous171]

You meant "Clinton's campaign", right?

[Liberal Veteran]

29. It's like those Barbie dolls said: Math is hard!

:rofl:

[JVS]

44. they don't have money

[Liberal Veteran]

28. So, do tell us when it was that Nader had the lead in the Democratic primary?

Opposite world?

[intaglio]

41. Ozark Dem the most sucessful Clinton supporter

on this thread

[L0oniX]

53. I was wondering who that "ignored" was. n/t

[JVS]

43. Gee Nader 2.0 without any money is what Hillary's campaign is looking like

[ChairmanAgnostic]

76. now where is that delusion button? Oh, yeah, "Ignore"

[UALRBSofL]

26. OP

:headbang: :boring:

[1776Forever]

48. This is just like HRC campaign did in NV last Jan. See the Article ........

January 23, 2008

Obama Files a Nevada Complaint

http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/01/obama_files_...

I won't insert any what-happens-in-Vegas jokes here, but the Barack Obama campaign is not letting go of its accusations that Hillary Clinton's campaign engaged in voter suppression last Saturday in Nevada.

Obama lawyer Bob Bauer has now put forward the contentions in a formal complaint to the Nevada Democratic Party, in which he says the Clinton campaign closed voter registration and shut the doors to some of the caucuses at 11:30 a.m. and earlier, which was a half-hour or more before they were supposed to under caucus rules.

While stipulating that the Obama campaign does not intend to challenge the outcome on a precinct level, Bauer asks for an investigation and writes:

These reports suggest the possibility of activity conducted in violation of Party rules and the rights of voters—activity that, as the volume and distribution of those complaints indicate, may have been planned and coordinated with the willful intention to distort the process in the favor of one candidate, Senator Clinton. A sheet of instructions provided by the Clinton campaign to its precinct works captures its program for the Caucus: "It's not illegal unless they tell you so."

This certainly suggests that, for the Clinton campaign, the operative standard of conduct was, simply and only, what it could get away with. On the day of the Caucus, we received by phone reports of misconduct, violations of the rules and irregularities, in the hundreds. Since that time, well over a thousand more accounts have been sent to us.

.............

:argh: And HRCs numbers keep going down - down - down! Spread this around!!!!!

Disgusting - Scorched earth - kitchen sink??? Hell no - this is pure dirty politics!!!

[DesEtoiles]

49. kick

[backscatter712]

50. Good for them.

They see Hillary's lack of ethics up close. I'd say they're being perfectly reasonable.

[Hutzpa]

55. Thanks Melody

for sticking up for all of us, here;

have a drink on me....you deserve it..


:beer: :toast:










:thumbsup:

[apocalypsehow]

59. Absolutely disgusting behavior on the part of the Clinton camp. Color me *NOT* surprised.

n/t.

[TexasThoughtCriminal]

61. I watched the credentials committee, and it was sweet

77 challenges, 65 of them were denied. The sad thing is all the time wasted by the committee on frivolous accusations that even the Clinton half of that committee agreed was bullshit. The proud moments were when those delegations were finally seated and the applause they got. These folks were not going to be disenfranchised!

[tritsofme]

62. So does this mean Democrats won't carry Texas any more?

nt

[EmilyAnne]

63. Any chance in hell that Texas could go Dem is completely destroyed if Hill wins.

[LiberalAndProud]

64. Does she really not need our vote in the GE?

Either she is short-sighted (ample evidence for that, I guess), or she's got it in the bag if she can get beyond the primaries (Scaife & Murdoch make me suspect that). She has done so much to alienate our Democratic base. It is beyond bizarre.

[laundry_queen]

86. It is beyond strange. K&R this thread. n/t

[joshcryer]

68. I hope you petition your state party to abolish the caucus process now, since it allows these things

And it takes precious time away from your life to do unnecessary things in the name of "democracy."

[DemVet]

71. Next time, use a reliable, respectable news source. n/t

[DerekJ]

74. The list of reliable, respectable source, for Hillary supporters are shrinking everyday.

[Yael]

75. It was an eyewitness account from someone who was there.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

72. Did Kurosawa write that?

:weekly:

[gal]

84. They didn't have a problem with caucuses when Bill Clinton was running in Texas and won them.

[TheDonkey]

87. k