Richardson: "I think loyalty to the nation, loyalty to the party is a lot more important

[Ichingcarpenter]

CBS news face the nation

To the suggestion that his recent endorsement of Sen. Barack Obama for the Democratic nomination showed personal disloyalty to Sen. Hillary Clinton, Gov. Bill Richardson said that in deciding between love for country and love for the Clintons, he chose his country.

He also criticized the "personal venom" of some Hillary supporters, like James Carville, who criticized Richardson for his announcement of backing Obama, saying they feel a sense of entitlement, "that the presidency is theirs.

"I think loyalty to the nation, loyalty to the party is a lot more important than personal loyalty," Richardson, D-N.M., told Face The Nation host Bob Schieffer. "I owe the Clintons a lot. I served in the president's cabinet. That loyalty is to President Clinton. That doesn't mean that I'm going to for the rest of my life be in lockstep with whatever they do."

To underscore his point, Richardson pointed out, "I ran against Senator Clinton. I was a presidential candidate."

"What you don't want is for the big shots in the party, the superdelegates, to determine the nominee," he said. "It should be voters. It should be delegates chosen according to proportionality.

"But, maybe, what can happen is some of the major party leaders like Governor Dean and Speaker Pelosi, Al Gore, John Edwards … find ways that superdelegates can have discussions,>>>>snip


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/30/ftn/main3980595.shtml

[zonkers]

1. A kick for goatee and democracy lovers everywhere.

[tabasco]

2. That's right! The Clintons act like mafia dons demanding fealty!

This is the USA not the Clinton mafia.

[Ichingcarpenter]

5. The last section is worth a read on 'consensus emerging'

was interesting

[C_U_L8R]

54. Sounds too much like the Bushes

and that's why all this dynastic crap needs to end here.
We don't need legacy shoe-ins and we don't need Hillary.

[Ilsa]

3. Three cheers for Richardson. He made his point very well.

Let Carville try to bash patriotism.

[devilindisguise]

49. I agree with Carville

Richardson is a Judas. I thought that before Carville ever said it. he would be nothing had Bill Clinton not chosen him for a high position in government. Evidently B.O. promised him something he thought he could't live without. It will be interesting to see him grovel at Bill's feet when Hillary wins. I can hardly wait.

[NDambi]

56. BULLSHIT...he doesn't owe the Clintons forever...and he certainly doesn't owe Hilllary anything n/t

[Cha]

58. Bullshit...bilary is a LIAR and Governor Bill Richardson

is an honorable man.. nobody likes a f'd liar who builds up their "experience" by faking Courage Under Fire.

"Why Is Hillary Clinton Lying?
by Robert Parry
March 26, 2008—Two weeks ago, I wrote a story that observed a disturbing trend in Hillary Clinton’s campaign – her growing tendency to stretch the truth, twist what her chief rival was saying and then rely on her supporters to go on the offensive against you if you spoke up."

http://baltimorechronicle.com/2008/032608Parry.shtml

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[FogerRox]

109. Let me rephrase... Richardson acted honorably

The fuckin guy aint no angel...... by any real measurement.

But on this point Richardson knows what the party needs, thats a NOMINEE, and to move on to win in Nov. I applaud Richardson on this point.

[Alexander]

If Richardson is Judas, that means you think Hillary is Jesus? Wow.

Aren't the Obama supporters supposed to be the cultists?

:rofl:

[cali]

73. Nothing. How profoundly stupid.

He was a seven term rep before Clinton named his as U.N. ambassador, dearie. He served to the satisfaction of the President and that is all he owed them- that and courtesy and he's demonstrated that. It is disgustingly undemocratic to suggest he owes them anything else. Repulsive.

And hillypoo is cooked. Get the fork.

[mac2]

78. The support for candidates by Super Delegates or party

members is nothing but political postering for a job in the new administration, etc.

Call a pig what it is.

[pdxmom]

87. He was a Congressman long before Clinton came along. Seems to me

that indicates he was doing just fine and making a name all on his own.

[bklyncowgirl]

127. The relationship between Richardson & Clinton was mutually beneficial

Some people, Carville for example, make it sound like Richardson was some poor Mexican dude the Clintons gave a hand out to.

The fact is that Richardson had gotten considerable press for his hostage negotiation exploits. Moreover being Hispanic, he was someone any president with a view to diversifying his cabinet would look to.

Yes Clinton gave Richardson a job but in both cases it seems to have been a good appointment of a qualified minority candidate that benefited both parties and the country.

[FogerRox]

108. Richardson would be nothing

Dont count Congressman and Governor.

[sellitman]

111. You are delusional

Richardson is a better Democrat than Billary will ever be.

Grovel?


Ha!

[Oleladylib]

4. GTH...Richardson..you're as pompous as the repukes.

Plus, chauvanism personified. Thank God, we weren't blessed with your candidacy.

[JayFredMuggs]

7. It's now pompous to have loyalty to country and party and not to the Hillary???

Yeah, that makes a LOT of sense!


No wonder my opinion of Hillary supporters is declining with an illogical post like THAT one!

[izzybeans]

12. The tragic irony of that post is dripping.

I agree.

I used to think it was just the Bush supporters who sounded like they were talking in a mirror all the time. "Mirror Mirror on the wall who is the most america hating arrogant bastard of all."

[mac2]

19. I agree.

Divide and conquer. I don't support any of the leading candidates but don't understand all the hate against Hillary and the Clintons. As Neo Cons go they were better than the Republicans. Who says, Obama will be much different?

[izzybeans]

22. I'm actually referring to the hatred against Obama

There are Hillary supporters here that are no less dogmatic and hardline than the 30%er republicans who will go down with their chosen leader no matter the cost.

[mac2]

24. Have you read those hate things about Hillary from Obama

people? Very ugly.

[Bicoastal]

10. In your heart, you know he's right. We're all on the same side.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

16. How is he chauvinist?

Aside from daring to oppose the Queen? :eyes:

[rateyes]

29. I guess it takes a pompous ass

to judge a person who isn't a pompous ass as being a pompous ass, pompous ass.

[cali]

75. In your sick world

He should be bowing down at Hilly's feet. Disgusting and undemocratic sentiment.Hardly a surprise from hilly acolytes. Oh, and try using spell check if you're that unfamiliar with how basic words like chauvinism are spelled.

[mac2]

98. Richardson also liked baseball and lied about being in the players draft.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Richardson#Early_life_and_education.

I was angry when Governor Richardson failed to finish the vote count in 2004. He also refused to investigate the fraud. Florida and Ohio aren't the only states where there was huge voting fraud.

[mac2]

6. Loyalty to the Constitution above all else Richardson

and what about that border in your state?

I don't really care which person supports who. That's their choice not mine.

[JayFredMuggs]

11. I think we know that these ad personam criticisms of other candidates

Is not going help any Hillary supporters win her nomination.

By the way, New Mexico has a border with Mexico, and that's not Richardson's fault, so again, your logic escapes me.

[mac2]

14. He wants open borders for the Americas and amnesty

Does that shake any memory regarding Richardson?

[EFerrari]

17. He supports legal immigration, is that your point?

[mac2]

20. No amnesty is for illegal immigrants.

[EFerrari]

23. Amnesty normalizes their immigration status and pulls them into the system.

Right?

[mac2]

26. Do you suppose I can go to Germany or Britain and

be "normalized as an immigrant and pulled into their system" after being there illegally? No they would deport me.

Illegal immigrants are welcome in Chicago and Cook County (Sanctuary city). They disobey our immigrations laws. We the people never approved it. Mayor Daley and the Cook County board did it AFTER the election. Sneaks that they are. It was never a election mandate or discussion.

Palatine, IL which is a burb outside Chicago, is wanting to secede from their county government. Their taxes raised to 10% and the Sanctuary status has them in an uproar. Off-shoring of their companies, increased education costs for immigrants, etc. leaves them without tax dollars. Crime is on the upswing also. It is an outrage that anyone can get off a jet at O'Hare airport and just stay without a Visa. It is also a big security risk to the area.

[EFerrari]

28. This is America, a nation of immigrants. This isn't Germany or Britain.

If you have a problem with people who are different than you are, you may be in the wrong place.

[mac2]

33. My ancestors came here legally and have been here

since before the Civil War. We are a nation of laws too. We have immigration laws. We have more legal immigration than anytime in our history. It's not like they aren't allowed here.

That thing about a nation of immigrants is bull crap. Is America to be lawless with the world citizens at our disposal and theft? Some aren't such good citizens even in their home country. There are billions of Indians, Chinese, and S. Americans who want to come here.

Do you have jobs and rooms for them at your house or in your community? Will you support them? Our community certainly can't. My grandparents on my father's side were required to have their own money and sponsors to come here legally at the turn of the century. Worker rights and pay plunge to the lowest level. It is just plain slave labor our country wants today just like at the turn of the century for the Robber Barons. No one wins but the elite few.

13 Million strike breakers in America.

[EFerrari]

45. If your ancestors came here before the Civil War,

they didn't come here "legallY' because there was no immigration law then.

You are attacking the wrong target, other workers.

[merh]

The anti immigrant crowd can't seem to get that through their heads

The laws today would have kept a majority of our ancestors out of this country, would have made them the illegals that so many despise.

[EFerrari]

52. The thing that really disturbs me, aside from the xenophobia

that the RW plays like a violin to their bigot base, is that American workers don't recognize that they are being played.

While they lose their pensions and their health care and good job conditions, the corporati are waving this shiney thing "illegals" in front of their faces to distract from the deterioration of American labor.

(Thank you, St. Ronnie.)

Can you imagine how much better we'd all do if we demanded a living wage for all workers?

Where would the manipulators hide then? English speaking workers would have a leg up, obviously, and yet no one would be out on their own. Solidarity is the corporati's nightmare.

No wonder they spend so much time and money pitting us against each other.

[merh]

53. They don't want to admit that its their ignorance and fears

that fuel them, they claim it is about the law yet they fail to recognize that it is a minor violation, like a traffic ticket, to be in this country without the proper permission. It is not a felony. They speed every day, cheat on their taxes, roll through stop signs and steal cable, pirate software, steal bandwidth, yet those nasty non-documented workers or the law breakers.

They are played and it is their prejudices and their ignorance that allows them to be the easy, hate filled marks.

[EFerrari]

55. I can never diss anyone for being ignorant or scared

because I deal with both attributes in myself all the time.

But, you'd think after a while, people would try to figure it out.

Why ARE those people coming here? :shrug:

[mac2]

88. Better yet...

why are Americans fleeing the country? For the first time in our long history they are leaving in record numbers.

[EFerrari]

89. So our solution to demonize undocumented workers is bullshit.

WE have a problem. It is in OUR government. And rounding up victims of our policy will not fix it.

[mac2]

92. As I said, we could use your slave labor in our state.

Don't expect any benefits if you do decide to work here with them.

[merh]

97. do you hate them because they look different than you

or don't speak your language?

Do you assume that every white person you see is a documented legal or a lawful citizen?

Don't even put yourself on their level.

They come here for the dream we all share, some folks just don't like sharing.

[mac2]

100. No some of them look the same as me and I don' t hate

them. I was raised with foreign sounding grandparents (here legally). What kind of an insult is that if a person doesn't agree with your politics?

[merh]

103. You are the one that keeps making it an issue

why did your grandparents come here?

What were the immigration laws at that time?

Did they make something of themselves despite folks looking down their noses at them?

[mac2]

132. I outta here.

[mac2]

65. Bull crap to that idea.

Americans fear their government more than any illegal immigrant. It's not hate nor is it our policy. Do you live in a state with high immigration rates or problems? How would you know?

[mac2]

66. Who cuts your lawn or paints your house cheaper than

American workers? That's not that you aren't fearful...it's greed.

[merh]

96. LOL

I cut my lawn (well I did when I had one) and I clean my own home and I do my own house painting (well when it needed it).

try again

[JTFrog]

121. nm n/t

[mac2]

68. Or destroying the jobs and land in Mexico forcing them to

leave home.

[mac2]

79. I had more than one ancestor come to America.

All came here legally and within the laws at the time.

[NDambi]

57. I'm with you...I'm not for blanket amnesty..but many other Dems are

[EFerrari]

62. So, why are you against amnesty?

What does that mean to you?

Why are you against drawing people now outside of the law into the system?

Because that's what being against amnesty amounts to.

[NDambi]

67. I didn't say I was against amnesty..I said BLANKET amnesty...

in the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Bullshit act they tried to shove down our throat, there was only a 24 hour window for a background check for millions of people...definitely a problem in my eyes and equalled automatic amnesty for anyone that applied. There's no way the US gov't can do background checks in 24 hrs...no way!

Of course it was buried deep in the bill in small print hoping people would miss it.

I don't want to go into heavy detail about my opposition to the bill and its weakness, I'd be here for a long time pointing out the Bullshit in it...

[EFerrari]

77. So, why are you against blankets?

lol

Was that clause buried so deep so threatening to you?

That must be terrible.

[mac2]

81. Might be that the blanket might be covering up real problems?

[EFerrari]

85. Brown people aren't your problem. Your government policy is your problem.

If you continue to blame poor displaced brown people, you will continue to have a problem because they are powerless to change the policy that the US government is carrying out.

I don't know how to say that more plainly.

The undocumented workers from Latin America have been driven north because our government keeps screwing with the elections that would seat people that would make changes.

We have no one to blame but ourselves for allowing our government to screw with their government.

[mac2]

90. Oh my...they are all brown?

I can tell you they aren't all brown nor from South of here. They are from all over the world. In Chicago we have many Polish, Bosnians, Russians, etc.

[EFerrari]

93. Dishonest. n/t

[mac2]

95. Nope...many Chinese and Asians are here illegally also.

They are of the yellow race. How many Chinese would like to and do come here? The West coast has problems with boat loads of them coming ashore. In this area we have whole churches full of "worker class immigrants" with their families who come here. The churches have special worker immigrant deals. If you screw up they can send you back.

They bought homes in my subdivision. I called the real estate person about a problem with the empty house,etc.after they left. She was from the city and Asian. Don't have to be a citizen to buy a house.

They say we have 13 million illegals since the last amnesty. I'd say more than that (about 30 million and most of them in the larger states such as California, Illinios, New York, Texas, etc.) since they flow over the borders and come into our airports at record numbers everyday.

They want a better life at your expense and job. We don't have jobs for Americans since they have off shored ours let alone for the world.

[NDambi]

106. Exactly...why is it everyone thinks its about Latin America...

[NDambi]

105. I am a brown person and I still have issues with blanket amnesty...

[NDambi]

104. If you don't have issues with anyone being granted amnesty without being vetted or checked out..then

you're more fucked up than you know and I can't help you..lol

[FogerRox]

110. Lets stop companies that offer jobs to illegals

there are laws on the books that are not being enforced.

Always look to the root cause, the foundation of the problem.

You are reacting to single issue politics, you should be ashamed. Single issue appeals are divisive in nature and cause people to vote against their own best interests.


Its not about immigrants, its about the corporations that hire them. A point you fail to mention....no ?

[Hugabear]

94. Got any other right-wing anti-immigrant arguments you want to regurgitate?

This isn't Germany or Britain or any other country. This is the USA, and our country has been built on immigration.

[mac2]

101. Is this a circle argument?

You hate it when you don't get your way by insulting a person?

I don't hate any of the illegals. How would I know who they are? As I stated previously, we have a record number of immigrants coming into our country.

I worked with people from all over the world from different cultures and races...languages for most of my life. I treated them all the same with respect. When we hire people we demand they have insurance and licenses. We don't hire slave labor.

It's not about hatred or fear. It's about government policy to destroy our democracy and unions...way of life.

[NDambi]

107. Countries should be built on legal immigration...not illegal

[rateyes]

30. Do you know the definition of amnesty?

I ask because of your mischaracterization of Richardson's stance on dealing with illegal immigrants. The question I have of you, then is this: Are you stupid, or are you a liar?

[EFerrari]

32. The right wing has demonized the term.

All amenesty means is that people who are outside the law will be brought into the process.
And we're supposed to think that's bad?

What could be worse than having a whole underclass of people walking around this nation with no access to the law? The horrendous conditions undocumented workers live in generalize to ALL workers eventually.

Some people just refuse to see that.

[rateyes]

34. Amnesty is the same as a full pardon...

NO penalty. Richardson isn't for that.

[mac2]

39. He wants a fine or be here for five years...or something

similar as to no accountability at all. It won't be enforcedd whatever it is. They lied to us since the last amnesty.

[EFerrari]

42. Immigration law isn't criminal law, in the first place.

Second, what is a higher priority? Getting a grip on immigration from Latin America (because that's what we're talking about) or this fake bone tossed out, putting mostly hard working people through hoops in order to appease bigots?

No penalty? Oh, my.

Most of the people coming here are coming from countries whose economies WE have wrecked. It always comes home. Punishing the victim won't get us anywhere, it's just political cr@p.

Case in point. BushCo facilitated the theft of the last Mexican election from the progressive who would have done something for Mexican workers. They sent lawyers, guns and money on our dime -- to make sure that progressive wouldn't be seated.

Now, tell me again, how the starving workers in Mexico are doing wrong by coming here? We f#ck them in their own country AND then we want to punish them for trying to survive.

Oh beautiful, for spacious skies. :puke:

[rateyes]

46. Hey, I agree with you.

I'm just not going to allow mac2 to get away with characterizing Richardson's position as something that it's not. I'm not going to let the word "amnesty" define the debate.

[EFerrari]

48. mac2 still hasn't figured out that BushCo is playing both sides

against the middle. Isn't that always what these criminals, these REAL criminals do?

And you are right about Richardson's position. The RW has used this issue to rally their base, against our economic interests, against the interests of workers everywhere, and here we sit, still arguing about it.

Cr@p.

[rateyes]

50. Yep. nt

[mac2]

63. I don't support Bush's immigration policy since

everything he says is a lie.

[EFerrari]

64. No argument from me there, that's for sure.

But, while he tries to scare the hell out of us about illegal immigration, he's also giving the gift of unregulated labor to his cronies.

We all lose.

[mac2]

69. Yes...we all lose. The globalists win.

[EFerrari]

74. You know something, I know some people that have been driven north

just to keep food in their kids' mouth.

They don't want to be here. They miss and worry about their wives and children.

This is awful, all the way around.

Some of them want to immigrate here like my mother did but the majority miss their homes, their farms, their communities.

I've listened to many of their stories. Maybe that's why when people here lash out at them, I have such a big reaction.

These people were driven out of their homes by US policy. And we paid for it. That's just wrong and something we need to attend to -- over Lou Dobbs or over any hysterical call in the media about being "invaded".

The people I've talked to and listened to are not "invaders". And most of them would rather go home and work and raise their kids.

peace

[mac2]

76. That has been very clear to many Americans since they

fail to learn the language and culture. They want us to unite with Mexico. Like that will make our lives better?

[EFerrari]

80. Oh, really? For your information, there are waiting lists

for ESL classes a mile long. It's not that people don't want to learn English, it's that there is no means to do it.

And poor working families are too busy working to feed their kids to worry about "uniting" with anyone.

Good God. I can't f#cking believe the cr@p I read here.

[mac2]

83. My ancestors from Germany had to learn English without

classes. Many immigrants from India, Poland, Africa, etc. don't have classes set up free for them.

[EFerrari]

91. Free? Omfg.

My family came here and learned English and are very well off now, most of them.

And that whole "they won't learn English or assimilate" is straight from Lou Dobb's hate groups and has no basis in fact.

It's bullshit. No one wants to be here and try to live and work and not speak English.

That's just stupidity.

[mac2]

102. That's it...I won't debate with you again since you keep

calling me names.

In Miami there are Americans who can't get jobs because they don't speak Spainish...or whatever. Not learning English is a problem. Ever try to get something done when the one English speaking boss leaves the site?

I'd would learn the language in any country where I expect to stay and work. So many immigrants are a problem in cities where as many as 200 different languages are part of the community. Let's not mention the problems our educational institutions face.

Yes...many of the public institutions are expected to teach English. Our local library offers courses.

I can only assume you have never experienced any of these problems where you live.

[mac2]

70. No kidding.

There is immigration law, civil law, etc. But many illegals end up in jail because they have to eat and have shelter. They become desperate. Our Illinois jails are full of them.

[EFerrari]

82. So your jails are full of hungry homeless people.

What a surprise.

You destroy domestic economies of adjoining countires, wtf do you expect?

[mac2]

84. No criminals who broke the laws.

We would love for you to send us money since our state has huge debt and can't even find the money to run their public transit systems. Sales taxes are 10%. One of the highest in the country.

[EFerrari]

86. Speaking of criminals, how much do we owe China?

I guess we are more respectable criminals.

lol

[mac2]

41. Most American are opposed to amnesty and not just RWers.

It was part of the 2006 mandate. Close and protect the borders. No amensty. It was forced on us after the elections by those in the party leadership. You know the globalists who want cheap labor and hate American workers?

The candidates for office never protested with American workers against bad trade policy and off shoring even of our government jobs. But they were there for the protestors in LA for amnesty and "rights".

[EFerrari]

44. You're right. Most Americans are ignorant about

what our policy in Latin America is or the havoc it's created there.

Most Americans have no clue that their own corporate overlords are forcing migration to the north.

[mac2]

71. Most Americans know what is going on.

[NDambi]

60. I have an issue with blanket amnesty for all illegals...

that comprehensive immigration bill was BS..only allowing for a 24 hour background check before granting it...no way people's background could be vetted in 24 hours...

[mac2]

36. I know I have manners unlike you.

[rateyes]

43. Yes, your manners are unlike mine.

And, since you showed up thread that you know at least something about Richardson's stance on the issue---that he wants to impose a fine and make them get into the back of the line---it shows me that you are not stupid, and know that Richardson's stance does not equal amnesty. And, since you continue to characterize his stance as one favoring amnesty---because "stupid" is no longer an option, I have the answer to my question.

Thank you. (See, I used one of the magic words. Feel better now?)

[mac2]

37. 13 million strike breakers.

[malik flavors]

8. I thought it was funny when...

he was asked about Carville, and Richardson was like, "I hardly even know the guy."

[kentuck]

9. Also, since when did loyalty to the President require one to be..

also loyal to the wife or relatives of the President? What if Roger Clinton, Bill's brother, was running? Would they ask him to support Roger out of loyalty to the President?

[saltpoint]

13. Agreed, especially in view of the fact that that president himself was not

notably loyal to his wife.

Ideally, Cabinet members will tell a president what he or she needs to hear and not what he or she wants to hear.

Good for Bill Richardson.

[bklyncowgirl]

128. You're right--and didn't Bill Clinton try to foist Monica off on Richardson

I remember something about Richardson being approached to find a job for Monica in his office. Richardson I believe, claimed at the time that he had no idea that there was a scandal a brewing. If that's true, there might be just a touch of resentment there as well. It's not fun to be dragged into someone else's personal mess.

[mac2]

15. Yes...they will ask but there are punishments if you don't.

[knight_of_the_star]

18. I a do have to say this much on that

Richardson wasn't exactly much of a presidential candidate, how many delegates did he win again?

[kentuck]

31. But he is very popular amongst the Hispanic community....

His support was coveted by both candidates.

[mac2]

40. He's a globalist so both candidates would like him.

[mac2]

72. Richardson is Hispanic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Richardson#Early_life_and_education

[SunsetDreams]

21. How dare politicians....

the one's we elect, be more loyal to their country than a handful of elite people!

How dare they be loyal to the American People?


Gov. Bill Richardson you ROCK!!!

[Scurrilous]

25. K & R

:thumbsup:

[Life Long Dem]

27. When is Hillary going o quit?

[LulaMay]

113. After she wins.

[BattyDem]

35. I'm lovin' him more and more everyday!

:loveya:

He's a good man. He gets it.


On a shallow, superficial note ... DAMN, he looks good with a beard!

[Tatiana]

38. This business about loyalty to the Clintons reminds me of the "loyalty oaths" during

Dubya's campaigns.

[OzarkDem]

47. Loyalty to Dem voters and the Constitution

are most important. Cutting short an election process while you're ahead is not the American, nor the Democratic Party way.

[anonymous171]

59. What does that have to do with Richardson?

[LulaMay]

114. What a novel idea! Loyalty to our Democratic process, instead of ones self. Hmmmm

[Ichingcarpenter]

51. Actually Hitler started that trend with changing the Wehrmach Oath

All officers and soldiers of the German armed forces
had to swear a personal oath of loyalty to the Führer and not to Germany
after 1934.

The Bushie loyality oath is just a continuation of this.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A31019-2004Jul31.html

[Tatiana]

61. Agreed. n/t

[Buzz Clik]

99. More important than loyalty to Snakehead? Say it isn't so!

[LulaMay]

112. Funny thing loyalty, one's capacity for it can be judged by how he treats his friends.

[DerekJ]

115. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Loyalty to country takes precedence over loyalty to friends. If you prefer your friend to your country, you have some serious problems

[susankh4]

116. He'll just have to wait and see how that plays out...

for his career. Won't he?

[DerekJ]

117. Isn't it awesome of him to put what he thinks is good for his country over his ambitions.

Weren't Hillary supporters the first ones to advocate that SDs should vote their consciousness?! But then when they do you crucify them.

[susankh4]

118. Sure he does....

Sure.

[ecstatic]

119. Richardson is a good man, and I'm very saddened to see him

have to go around the country defending himself from charges of Judas-style betrayal.

Seriously, I would never treat someone like that for following their heart--whether it's Gore, Edwards.. whoever... The only time I fling crap at a surrogate is when they unfairly attack Obama or use despicable tactics to try to scare up votes.

At no point did Richardson put down the Clintons, or say anything derogatory. Maybe then I would understand where all the venom is coming from. Even now, Richardson is still displaying class and respect for the Clintons--although, it's clear that they really don't deserve it (based on their recent behavior).

[cboy4]

120. I seriously doubt that Mr. Richardson understands the

meaning of "personal loyalty."

And instead of saying, "I owe the Clintons a lot," I'm sure he realized he should have been saying, "I owe the Clintons everything."

Not a lot.

Everything.

He would be a nobody without them.

Let's be honest.

[DerekJ]

122. He owes his country much more than he owes the Clintons. Sorry

Tell me when you think loyalty to your friends takes precedence over loyalty to your country please.

[cboy4]

123. The Clintons are far more than friends.

They are his resume.

He owes everything he has to them.

[DerekJ]

124. At no point in my life, would I ever prefer a friend, or somebody who helped me get a job over my

country.

You are advocating for a type of treason. If he thinks his country will be better served by Obama, and he chooses Hillary, He becomes a traitor. A becomes a traitor to his country, to his principles, to the Democratic Party, the American people, and to his own family.

You really think he should pick the Clintons over all of those?! Think for a second before you answer.

[cboy4]

125. This is borderline faux patriotic outrage on your part.

Here's what Bill Richardson thinks will be better served.

Can you guess?

Yup!

A job!

He believes Obama is going to be the nominee, so he has no more use for Hillary.

I don't believe for even half a second that Richardson made his choice because of loyalty to his country.

Let's be honest. He wants another job with the White House, and he'd be screwed if he supported Hillary.

[DerekJ]

126. "This is borderline faux patriotic outrage"

I take it you never cried treason when GWB filled government cabinets with rather incompetent yet loyal people to him. Because if you did, I will take that as a "borderline faux patriotic outrage".

Feel free to doubt his sincerity. I won't argue against that. However remember that when he endorsed Obama, it was at time when the whole revered Wright controversy hasn't been settled yet, and Obama was down in the polls, and there was no definitive way of knowing if his speech has worked or no.

He took a huge risk to advance his career for such a calculating Politian you make him to be.

[cboy4]

129. A President has the right to hire the people he wants to

work for him/her.

If I were President, you can believe I would surround myself with some very good, close people in my life.

Using Bush as an example isn't really fair, because he wasn't qualified from the start.

It's only natural he'd hire the incompetent people who got him "elected."

Practically every person he's hired has been a disaster, but he's a disaster.

And, yes, I doubt Richardson's sincerity.

Obama may have been down at the time, but his numbers really hadn't or haven't changed anywhere.

He's the front runner, and Richardson can't risk losing out on a job by supporting Hillary.

[yodermon]

130. Then how did he *DARE* to run against Hillary? n/t

[PresidentObama]

131. Richardson doesn't have to explain anything. Carville is a dumb ass, who has NO credibility.

After 2004 and the bullshit he pulled.