BREAKING and Updated X2: Sources allege that John Edwards to endorse Hillary Clinton Monday

[Tropics_Dude83]

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/30/153344/486#commenttop

STUNNING.

Also please note my title using the word "sources" and "allege." I'm not saying this is true and my title makes it clear.

John Edwards said when asked if an endorsement was forthcoming said "when I have something to say, you'll be the first to know." or something like that so something is up.

Update #2: I firmly believe he'll endorse her tommorrow. I believe this rumor. Bill Clinton was at the convention giving a speech. He probably excitedly let this slip. I'll eat my hat if this isn't true. I won't stop posting though:)

[bluestateguy]

1. Oooooh "sources"!!!

Real men go on the record.

[Tellurian]

16. Please don't burst Obama's bubble.. he'll start smoking again...

[totodeinhere]

99. What a mean spirited comment!

[Tesha]

139. It's Tellurian's stock-in-trade. (NT)

[dionysus]

203. someone had their trollios for breakfast today...

:eyes:

[The Night Owl]

126. OMG! LET IT SINK! ALERT AND IGNORE! RUN AROUND IN CIRCLES!

[QC]

164. OMG!! I JUST CRAPPED MY PANTS!!! N/T

[Rosa Luxemburg]

210. can someone 'capture' John and hold him in a cave until after the elections!

no no no John, not Hillary, you can't!

[spinbaby]

2. Also last Friday and Tuesday the week before

That rumor is always going around. Give it a break.

[AX10]

3. What is the CDP Convention?

[OzarkDem]

9. California Democratic Party

They're having their state convention now.

[anigbrowl]

28. A state convention, obviously

I don't think this rumor amounts to anything. Sounds like one of those 'what-if' threads at DU.

[Tropics_Dude83]

58. I linked this to a couple news organizations

Asked them to investigate it.

[Garbo 2004]

83. I suspect news organizations have better sources than an unidentified "woman in the hallway."

Can't decide if you don't really understand that the blog post you cited did not credit a "hallway rumor" from an unknown source or if you're just playing here.

[Tropics_Dude83]

94. I believe it because JRE has been sending a tonne of signals

That he's not going to endorse Barack.

[Garbo 2004]

116. How about this signal: just yesterday he publicly declined endorsing either. n/t

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

109. the Winston Salem Journal (NC) interviewed Edwards Saturday

and he said he's not endorsing anyone and that we have two good candidates.

MYDD is a Clinton supporting blog, but apparently they don't read the
North Carolina newspapers.

The interview is in today's Winston Salem Journal.
http://www.journalnow.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WSJ/MGArticle/WSJ_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173355139502

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

92. Mar 30 Winston Salem NC: Edwards still not taking sides in Democratic race for president

Sunday, March 30, 2008

Edwards still not taking sides in Democratic race for president

Former candidate dodges questions about endorsement By James Romoser JOURNAL RALEIGH BUREAU

RESEARCH TRIANGLE PARK - John Edwards is still neutral.

Edwards, the former senator from North Carolina and former presidential candidate, praised Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton yesterday at the annual convention of the Young Democrats of North Carolina

...After his speech, Edwards deflected reporters’ questions about which candidate he favors.
“When I have something to say, I’ll let you guys know,” he said.

...Some commentators have speculated that an Edwards endorsement could be a key factor in North Carolina’s May 6 primary. The state’s 115 delegates are being heavily contested by Clinton and Obama, both of whom visited the state last week. On the other hand, a poll released last week suggested that an Edwards endorsement could actually do more harm than good.

In the poll, conducted by the Democratic firm Public Policy Polling, 31 percent of Democratic voters said that if Edwards endorsed Clinton, it would make them less likely to vote for her. Only 12 percent of voters surveyed said that an Edwards endorsement would make them more likely to vote for Clinton.

more at the link

[SoCalDem]

107. Supposedly, when he decided to run in '04 his re-election was in some doubt

so perhaps his star is not shining so brightly in NC..

I like the guy,and I feel so sad for all his family has gone through, but his endorsement or non-endorsement is not all that big of a thing.. He had so few delegates pledged to him... it's not like he had several hundred..and he does not "own" them anyway.. They probably went back into the "uncommitted/at-large" status when he left the campaign

[Alexander]

4. What will that give her? 18 delegates?

Still not enough to overtake Obama.

[Tropics_Dude83]

12. Days and days of fawning media coverage is what it will give her n/t

[Alexander]

44. If it even happens, which is not what I saw on the news last night.

Edwards refused to endorse as late as last night. I'll believe it when I see it.

[NashVegas]

111. Yeah. Just Like The Media Fawned All Over John Edwards

You're talking about a group of people that collectively forgot he was ever in the race, although he almost won Iowa.

[karynnj]

140. He did not "almost " win Iowa

He had 30% of the vote - Obama had 38% - HRC had 29%. He and HRC were nearly tied! This was after spending FAR FAR more time in Iowa.

[readmoreoften]

142. Well with your guy shown smiling in the MSM 24-7 he didn't need any advertising, did he.

I've never seen a candidate handled with such kid gloves by the media--well, other than George Bush.

[karynnj]

144. The MSM treated Edwards like that in 2004 ---- and he didn't come close to winning

Edwards was also given very positive coverage in 2006 and early 2007 - he was seen by many in the media as the likely winner in Iowa. He just didn't catch on enough.

[SoCalDem]

143. He basically camped out there for 3-4 years

He was going to steamroll Iowa and start out ahead..

he's a nice guy, but apparently the people liked Obama more..

[SoCalDem]

56. Technically ..no

Those delegates were pledged to him, but when he quit, they were not automatically "promised" to HIS choice.

I would presume that they were released by him, and then free to align with THEIR choice..

[DJ13]

5. Good for him

That would show that his faux outrage over corporate interests in our politics was only a platform to advance his own personal interests.

[Yael]

70. Thats the message I would get from it

[Rosemary2205]

6. Funny but

if I remember correctly, most Democrats in America didn't give a shit about John Edwards. Why would they now? I love John, he was my first choice - but clearly his message did not resonate with very many Americans. The very idea his endorsement would be very meaningful just seems silly to me.

[terrell9584]

132. it would be meaningful in PA

where he probably did have some working class support and it would be real meaningful in North Carolina, where they gave him the state's delegates as a favorite son candidate after it was all over anyway.

Edwards is a politician based out of the Triangle. His endorsement might be able to help there.

[ossman]

7. "I heard from a lady in the hall"....really? Mydd is a Hillbot sanctuary anyways.

[democrattotheend]

I think she is in PA tomorrow

Wouldn't it make more sense for him to do it when she is in NC?

[Shakespeare]

8. Given the way Elizabeth feels about her, I very much doubt that.

I don't think she likes Obama too much, either, but she REALLY can't stand Hillary.

[gateley]

10. Question to Edwards supporters:

IF this occurs, and IF you're supporting Obama, would that cause you pause for thought?

I'm always curious about these endorsements because I don't know how much influence Biden's endorsement might have on me.

Thanks.

[helderheid]

27. Not for a second.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Xd8toeUkVzc

Cue to 7:28

[gateley]

64. The link is bringing me

to a PAGE of videos -- ???

What is it about? If it's pro-Obama, I've probably already seen it because I'm supporting him.

[helderheid]

80. This video has been removed by the user. Let me see if I can find it - NH Debate

[helderheid]

87. HERE it is and no need to even cue!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hUW27EJFL4

[gateley]

112. Thanks. Got it. nt

[ekwhite]

162. You notice she is making a claim about S-CHIP in that debate

She was called out by Orrin Hatch on that one.

[Raine]

35. No

it wouldn't change my mind about my support of Obama. It will only make me think that I maybe Edwards was the wrong candidate for me to have backed. :-(

Edit to add: If he does that I'll probably take my Edwards avatar off.

[SeattleGirl]

39. No. If Edwards does endorse Hilary, that is his choice.

I was a huge supporter of Edwards, and still admire him tremendously. If he chooses to endorse Hilary, that's fine. He has the right to do that. It won't say my support of Obama, though.

[still_one]

195. OK, good for her if it happens. However, running with Kerry in 2004

didn't help Kerry get NC, and the neighboring state, SC, sure didn't go for him

This is not meant as a slam for Edwards, it is just an observation that he hasn't seemed to attract much of the southern vote

I am a little curious why he didn't do it sooner, if he is going to do it, since most of his supporters already went toward Obama, and it would seem if he really wanted to help Clinton, he would have endorsed her before Super Tuesday

It actually makes me wonder about his judgement, not because of WHO he is going to endorse, but by withholding it until now. It might be too little too late

[trashcanistanista]

41. No. n/t

[Austinitis]

50. I bet a lot would

or at least the ones who liked Edwards for his policies... Hillary's policies (especially the health insurance plan) are far closer to Edwards' than Obama's are. In any endorsement Edwards would likely highlight that similarity and some of his supporters might come back to her. Certainly not all of them, of course, but maybe 30%...

[spotbird]

65. It makes me doubt his sincerity,

but doesn't change my vote.

This is a negative sum game, it won't help Hillary, but will hurt him. He must have something personal against Obama.

[gateley]

74. Good point --

won't help Hillary. I guess that's what I was wondering. Thanks.

[PATRICK]

155. The rumors are becoming

more sophisticated and stunning but when it comes to the Gore hints and Edwards hints they seem- still- completely nonsensical. They only make sense in the febrile hopes and fears of campaigns now locked onto
certain realities that won't be shaken loose short of some earth shattering event that bears some unimaginable relation to the primaries or Eliot Spitzer throwing his hat in the ring while in the nude surrounded by a bevy of adoring paid for females.

These are distractions and the reaction of most Edwards supporters would seem to imply that they are not even budged by the possibility. Obviously everyone is looking for relief in every unused quarter because the slow grind, as certain in destination as it seems to be, is driving too many people nuts.

Patience. Is there something wrong about the people choosing in the designated processes? In any scenario whether Edwards or his platform has been hurt, blown off or discarded by Obama I can't conceive of him uselessly trying to prop the Hillary campaign against the tide.

Waiting for something nutty or miraculous to occur is not a reassuring mark of a campaign that would represent us in November.

[Yael]

69. Not in the least

What I would question is his message about corporate interests drowning out the middle class. He will quickly lose any goodwill that I (and many other populists) would have had for him.

Remember NH -- "Its personal, not political or academic". When it is political, you throw your morals and ethics under the bus for political expediency.

If he throws his morals and ethics under the corporate bus, it will tell me that once again, I was lied to by a politician.

Avatar comes off as does the Edwards 08 sticker on the car as I will no longer believe in his message and therefore will not support him.

[melody]

73. No

I supported John, but I'd never vote for Hillary before anyone else in the field. I'd only vote for Hillary now
if the only other choice was a Republican.

[grantcart]

95. If it happened it would make me pause and wonder what happened to John

Edwards to lose his mind.

Fortunately he didn't lose it, won't endorse it and we won't have to pause about it.

[helderheid]

124. exactly!

[TomClash]

I'm a former Edwards supporter

now supporting Obama and the answer is:

NO!

[Tarheel_Dem]

108. Not even if John impaled himself on the capital steps....

I love him, but the only pause for thought would be, what the hell was HE thinking? John & Elizabeth may not be crazy about either of them, but I think John will remain neutral, or come out in support of Obama, because Hillary has about a 10% chance of obtaining the nomination at this point. What good would it do, other than to place John in the middle of a firestorm?

I think Edwards and Gore will remain neutral. These rumors have been flying around since he exited the race.

[juajen]

173. Thanks so much. I've been wanting a picture of Glitterbama.

I just never expected it to come from an Obama supporter.

[Moochy]

179. google.com / search?q=Glitterbama

http://www.google.com/search?q=Glitterbama

juajen's favorite demeaning name! You are in the googles! Congratulations! Such an achievement!

[WillyT]

123. Not Only No, But HELL NO !!!

nope

:banghead:

[Warren Stupidity]

128. Nope.

My decision was made immediately after Edwards dropped out and the post super tuesday Clinton campaign has convinced me that I made entirely the right choice.

[ekwhite]

161. I was an Edwards supporter, but it wouldn't make a difference to me now.

I have taken a good look at both candidates since he dropped out, and I strongly support Obama.

[pointsoflight]

166. Absolutely not. It only tells me how much of a sham Edwards was.

If he endorses Hillary, that's the clearest indicator that his entire campaign was BS.

[OnionPatch]

209. Not for a single second!

Obama is the man!! If Edwards doesn't see this, then I'm glad I didn't have the chance to vote for him.

[BeyondGeography]

11. The source is "a woman out in the hall"

Link also says: "Looks like it's just a rumor."

Not worth the thread title, Dude.

[Tarheel_Dem]

113. This poster needs a lot of attention. He was allegedly an Obama

supporter, and once the Wright controversy broke, he threw Obama & Wright under the bus. So I'm not quite sure what his game is, but the sensational thread titles tell me he likes being the center of attention.

[Garbo 2004]

121. In the tradition of jlake perhaps? Message board performance artist? n/t

[Tarheel_Dem]

exactly. I haven't been able to quite pin down his agenda, but

there's definitely something sinister at play here. The only reason I haven't put him on Ignore is because he can be quite entertaining at times, and not in a good way.

[Zhade]

187. Did jlake finally get banned? The guy was off his meds!

NT!

[davidinalameda]

193. I guess he's been banned for a while

I ventured into the Hillary forum and there were a couple posts about it

he was a bit intense

[LakeSamish706]

13. The second post at that site pretty much sums up my feelings as a former...

Edwards supporter..... What a hack indeed if he endorses her, his complete campaign and logic was Bullshit.

[Moochy]

177. Agreed

[Drunken Irishman]

14. LOL, like the same sources that said he'd endorse last week and the week before that.

And the week prior to the Wisconsin primary.

How many times has Edwards supposedly endorsed her now? 5, 10?

[Seen the light]

15. This is the equivalent of citing a random thread on DU

Worthless.

[helderheid]

Doubt it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hUW27EJFL4

[cali]

17. not stunning to me

I've predicted it since he dropped out. I believe JE resents the hell out of Obama and thinks he usurped his "rightful" place as the anti-Clinton candidate.

[Johnny__Motown]

18. Expectations officially raised, thank you (she will now be only negative 4 since 2/5 if it is true)

[my3boyz]

19. Maybe Edwards is leaking this so that his supporters will

switch over to Hillary without him formerly endorsing her. A way to get them to support her without actually endorsing.

[FogerRox]

20. Please.

[kid a]

21. Where exactly is this breaking? Oh yea, i see, comment #486 "someone in the hall said" nt

[Tropics_Dude83]

25. Todd Beeton is a front page poster on mydd though

Not some random hack.

[Garbo 2004]

57. And he said it was "particularly unbelievable."

So why are you posting this as "breaking news" when he doesn't regard it as anything but a random rumor with no credible sourcing?

[anonymous171]

22. Sounds like a blogger trying to start a whisper campaign to get Edwards supporters on the hiltrain.

[Buzz Clik]

23. If he had endorsed Obama, her campaign would have ended immediately.

Now, she lives to see another day. It won't have any real impact on the upcoming primaries, with the possible exception of North Carolina. Considering, however, Edwards poor showing in every primary he entered (especially South Carolina), his endorsement is purely symbolic.

[Swamp Rat]

24. Rumor from a blog.... no need to repeat it here. n/t

[totodeinhere]

26. Oh those rumors! Don't believe it.

[MadBadger]

29. No Joke: The Source it says is "A Woman out in the Hall" LOL

[Ichingcarpenter]

33. "A Woman out in the Hall" on her way to Wal-Mart

to buy Jeans.

[Austinitis]

30. As much as I would like it, that seems pretty unlikely

I don't think he's going to endorse anyone. Maybe if the race goes into summer he'll push to force Hillary out, but I would be really surprised if he gets in before that...

[Tropics_Dude83]

36. Hillary's pit bulls

have used Mondays for months now to dominate the media narrative and throw bombshells at Obama so...Monday would fit. Muslim photo, plagiarism allegations, etc.

[Austinitis]

40. I'm sure that IF he was going to do it

it would come on a Monday. But that tomorrow is Monday doesn't make it more likely that it's going to happen in the first place.

[City Lights]

31. We've been hearing for weeks now that he's about to endorse her.

Supposedly, he was waiting for the "right time," whatever that means at this point. If he's going to endorse her, he should do it already.

[ossman]

32. Whats next? Taylor Marsh says Obama is dropping out?

[Nutmegger]

34. LOL!

Yes just like he endorsed all those other times. :rofl:

Edwards is smart enough to know that neither can match him on the issues. That's why he will remain uncommitted, as will I.

[Garbo 2004]

37. "the source appears to be 'a woman out in the hall.' It struck me as particularly unbelievable..."

"Looks like it's just a rumor." From the blog post you linked to.

Not exactly "STUNNING."

[Firespirit]

47. ...

meant to reply to OP, sorry

[ms liberty]

191. Thank you though...this thread needed that pic! n/t

[trashcanistanista]

38. When he was on Leno he alluded to it.

He compared the two candidates by saying Hillary had more experience and Obama had good organizational skills but not a lot of experience. Although he refused to endorse then, those are pretty much the anti-Obama talking points. I would be disappointed in him for endorsing Hillary at this point, but not surprised. I may have read this into what he said, but that was my personal take on his appearance on Leno.

[dansolo]

59. Edwards criticizing Obama on experience?

Where is this great font of experience that Edwards has? Him supporting Hillary, who seems to me to be antithetical to everything he supposedly stands for, would just confirm to me that his faux-populism is just an act.

[cali]

60. Edwards saying that Obama doesn't have a lot of experience is

pure hypocrisy. Obama sure as hell has more experience than JE.

[ericgtr]

42. I don't buy this, he was just on TV yesterday saying he wasn't endorsing anyone

[mudesi]

43. I think John Edwards can add and subtract

Which makes me question the credibility of this.

[Colobo]

45. Well, finally. He'd been taking too long.

[undeterred]

46. Well, I guess that means he is retiring for good.

Why would anyone endorse the losing candidate at this point? Especially when his cancer stricken wife hates her? Sheer personal and political stupidity. Atta boy John.

[tammywammy]

48. This is about the 10th time since he dropped out it's been rumored that he was about to endorse

I'll believe it when I see it. :shrug:

[DemGa]

49. Wow, this would be a powerful boost! ----nt

[tekisui]

54. It would be a singular Superdelegate.

[SoCalDem]

62. is he a superdelegate?? He's a former one-term senator

former candidate.. is he a super??

[anonymous171]

66. If he is then Obama can win NC and ask for his support.

[tekisui]

68. I thought he was.

I will try to find out for sure.

[Yael]

89. He is not

[tekisui]

117. Thanks.

[Yael]

88. Nope he isn't

[karynnj]

141. No he isn't - he has not party or elected position

[Moloch]

51. Edwards endorsement is now meaningless.

Clinton can't win and she is willing to drag down the whole party to satisfy her vanity.

[Georgie_92]

52. He is dead to me now.

:silly:

[applegrove]

53. They said the same thing 10 days ago.

[ps1074]

55. Not going to happen

Why? There is some sort of consent between the party heavyweights (Gore, Edwards, Pelosi, Reid) not to endorse anyone but to let things sort themselves out. If Edwards endorse now, then I Gore will be free to endorse Obama.

[DearAbby]

61. wasn't Edwards supposed

to have announced his endorsement of Clinton on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno? forgive me if I don't hold my breath.

[Vinca]

63. After Hillary's Bosnian fairy tale, I'd be terribly disappointed

if John Edwards endorsed her. She's not just a "misstater," she's a liar. It would drastically change my favorable opinion of him.

[kid a]

67. We need an "Annie Hall" moment here! Elizabeth Edwards (a DU member) logs in to say...

"You have no idea what you're talking about!"

=)

[Tropics_Dude83]

77. It;s pretty clear JRE will endorse HRC-only question is when n/t

[kid a]

84. "Its pretty clear?" Clear to whom? Link to a more credible source.

[Tropics_Dude83]

91. Come on dude! JRE has been drooling all over Hillary

And having secret meetings with her at debates in January etc. It's been obvious.

Might as well do it now and get it over with.

Saying "Obama" is inspirational but Hillary experienced?

[Johnny__Motown]

93. Edwards is against Lobbyists and PAC money, Hillary lives on that shit..

If he endorses her he will have no credibility left.

[kid a]

105. We'll see. (didn't need the "drooling" visual. =)

[Johnny__Motown]

85. Go read the link, and I would like a vid of you eating your hat please. or was that a lie

[JVS]

127. Why wouldn't he have done so earlier if he's going to? Maybe to stop the 12 state losing streak?

[Tropics_Dude83]

71. Please see update #2 n/t

[RichardRay]

72. Folks, click on the FREAKING LINK!!

Read the piece that is sited. The intimation in the OP is pretty much the complete opposite of what the post says! It has all the substance of an jellyfish drying in the sun on the sandy beach of a deserted island.

[Johnny__Motown]

81. I was about to post that too..... the info on the link has changed... Clinton people will believe

almost anything I guess

[UALRBSofL]

75. You wasted a post to spread rumors

Of an endorsement. As usual a tactic to make a big headline and then drop the ball.

[melody]

76. Someone at mydd needs to stop sniffing glue

It messes up your head and screws up the sinuses.

It's not happening.

[LTR]

78. Isn't MyDD a pro=Hillary site?

If you'll excuse me, I'm off to get some salt.

[Johnny__Motown]

82. Yes, and it even says that it is just a rumor.. click on the link

[Botany]

79. Edwards ran against lobbyists and inside money .... Hillary is the poster girl ...

... for lobbyists and inside money. I really doubt that John will do
a 180 on his core ideas.

[Tropics_Dude83]

86. Uh no

Todd Beeton thinks this is just a rumor but the fact is that 2 people have told him it is going to happen.

Fact: CDP is aflame with this rumor

Belief: Todd Beeton thinks it's not true.

[Garbo 2004]

97. 2 people who got it from an unidentified "woman in the hallway."

2 people does not equal CDP "aflame."

Following in jlake's footsteps?

[helderheid]

90. Watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hUW27EJFL4

[Johnny__Motown]

101. Nice one, except it is mostly Edwards & Hillary trying to steal Obama's thunder

[helderheid]

104. did we watch the same video?

[Johnny__Motown]

150. I think so.. Edwards saying I am a change guy too, just like Obama.. me too.. look at me

then Hillary starts in on change so she can look like Obama too.


Yes, Edwards was casting Hillary as the "status quo" but it was all an attempt to steal Barrack's thunder.

[helderheid]

157. I got a different impression. Interesting - thanks!

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

96. Edwards is smart enough to see which way the political winds are blowing.

Imo, he'll either support Obama or remain on the sidelines.

Supporting Clinton at this point is hara-kiri.

[helderheid]

100. I agree and anyone who watches this video would agree, I expect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hUW27EJFL4

I was for Edwards before I was for Obama, BTW.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

114. She lies about S-CHIP in that clip, too.

[kid a]

119. I saw that and my first thought was to go back and watch very carefully much of what she says.

She is building the character of someone unbelievable.

Her exaggerations will be her fall.

[Willo]

98. "Looks like it's just a rumor..."

[Emillereid]

102. If true, then Edwards campaign positions were just a lot of hypocritical posturing.

Too bad - I wanted to believe the guy.

[Kittycat]

103. MyDD = My Daily Denial

[peace13]

106. You go John...What a joke.

Really, put your head together with Hill on the debate stage and conspire about thinning the field. I lost all respect for you that night. Do what you will with your life, it matters not to me.

[depakid]

110. I seriously doubt that Edwards will endorse Hillary. The again, I didn't think he'd drop out before

super Tuesday.

I guess with Edwards, you just never know....

[Tropics_Dude83]

115. Also Hillary was not on the campaign trail today

Doing what exactly then?

[FrenchieCat]

118. An Edwards endorsement of Hillary would only confirm that

White Blue Collar workers should vote for the establishment Corporate candidate who refuses to apologize for her war vote simply due to a health care proposal that includes mandates that will be stripped by congress when actually proposed.....

In addition, to many, in terms of "race", John Edwards would only be reinforcing the notion that White voters aren't ready to vote for an African American. And I say that simply because Edwards' views on most things really are closer to Obama than they are to Hillary....whether the seriousness of poverty, homeless veterans, corporate and lobbyist influence, and the notion of change away from the status quo.....which would beg the question, why then Hillary?

I don't know if this is the legacy that Edwards wants to leave, but if he does, he will be remembered as an inconsistent politician who had a narrow view as to what was important to voters, which may be why he never connected with enough of them to make a difference in his multiple campains for President. And he would be confirming that unlike his campaign rethoric, change was never really part of the equation that he put a lot of stock in.

Note: In reference to Obama rubbing the Edwards the wrong way (which has been said in the last fews days by 3rd sources) being arrogant, glib, etc.....John Edwards actually has that same personality...which is why they both ran for President, because it takes a certain amount of self love, conceit, confidence and arrogance to run for the highest office in the land. period.

So Edwards should endorse as he wants, and I'm sure he realizes that the endorsement will say more about him than it does about who he chooses to endorse, for better or worse.

[kid a]

120. good points. nt

[onehandle]

221. This from the Edwards Bashing Journal author.

Yawn.

I don't think he should endorse, but I don't think there is hardly any difference between the two centrist candidates left in this race, so...

Whatever.

[DearAbby]

122. Why would JRE endorse a liar?..............n/t

[JBoy]

125. The OP is 100% content-free

links to some guy who said he heard someone say this might happen.

[loveangelc]

129. you're going to look stupid jumping to conclusions when you're wrong...

[MadBadger]

130. The OP always jumps to conclusions.

[loveangelc]

131. lol I've noticed this...

[TheDonkey]

133. political suicide. I doubt hightly Edwards endorses HC.

[Perky]

134. Stunning , mildly Hypocritical and purportedly would damage HRC in NC

[2rth2pwr]

135. It would be the start of massive momentum.

[Saint in the City]

136. I don't see why he would. It's not going to help him. n/t

[DUyellow]

137. bookmarked

[DerekJ]

138. Please don't make him endorse Obama,

I saw a poll few days ago, that says people will be LESS likely to vote for Obama if he endorsed him. SO keep him.

[Joe the Revelator]

145. At this point, its about as helpful as tits on a mule.

He should have endorsed right after he dropped out, or, barring that, he should have endorsed in time for his Iowa delegates to go to Hillary. Doing it now gives her nothing.

[EmilyAnne]

146. Why would you stop posting if its not true? Lots of stuff we post on this board is assumption,

rumor and innuendo. It will be an important endorsement if she gets it, that's for sure. It might be too late, though. The same way the Clinton camp said that Richardson's endorsement was too late. Of course, I'll keep my fingers crossed that it doesn't happen...but certainly won't deny that its a good thing for her. Don't stop posting! Regardless of the primary outcome, we dems need to stick together once a candidate is chosen!

[Tropics_Dude83]

153. Point of personal privilege-please read

For those who think I'm a troll or a psycho,

Please know that I am not. What I am and I readily and wholeheartedly admit it is someone who is very much prone to panic. I even panic if there's a bad news cycle for Obama. I am passionately devoted to him and it's because of this incredible passion for him that makes me worry so much about anything that could conceivably hurt him. That's why I come across as the sky is falling. My support for him is unshakable but when something bad happens I freak that it'll shake other's support.

I learned it from a family member who I was very close to. We were passionate fans of a certain hockey team. She'd freak and say after they went down 1-0, "that's it. they didn't show up! they're going to lose!." I guess she rubbed that panic off on me.

Another example is during an olympic gold medal game, my team didn't perform that well at first and I panicked. They went onto a decisive win:(

It hurts me profoundly that I would be accused of having a hidden agenda or being unstable. One poster came very close to that. I am one to jump to conclusions I admit but a hidden agenda?? NO WAY. I supported Obama from December 2007 when the hints that he would run really hit the media consciousness. I supported him when everyone thought Hillary would be coronated. His life experience and Michelle Obama's life experience speak to me. They have had to endure "just not fitting in." Barack, especially, didn't fit in entirely in the white world and didn't fit in the black world either. Why do you think he turned to drugs as a youth? Why do you think he joined Reverend Wright's church? To deal with this sense of not belonging. Rev. Wright made him feel part of something. Made him feel accepted at a time in his life when he wasn't feeling that way.

His personal story reaches out to me. Someone who struggled to find his way, someone who knows what it's like to be discriminated against. To have life obstacles. Above all else, that's why I support him. Because he gets how hard life can be. He speaks to the dispossessed, the unwanted, those that don't fit in. Those, like me. Above anything policy related or character related, above all else, that's why I support him.

Now, I'm sure this post will be ridiculed. I'm sure I'll be laughed at but that is how I feel. Hopefully you can get a sense of who I am. As for the Edwards endorsement, it is my opinion which was buttressed by this post from mydd that there is a strong likelihood that he'll endorse HRC. I find these reasons highly objectionable.

Anyway, hopefully all of you can at least understand where I'm coming from now and hopefully I won't ever be accused of being a disturbed person with a hidden agenda ever again.

[EmilyAnne]

160. I completely understand!

I just want to add that I was so lucky to see Barack Obama speak here in Pittsburgh last Friday and something that suddenly struck me halfway through his presentation was "here is a man who KNOWS who he is." He seemed humble and honest about his mistakes and shortcomings, about the criticism that has been dealt him and about what his presidency will be about. I have never seen a more self assured candidate. I don't mean arrogant, as some have labeled him...I mean that he has a strong sense of self. I started thinking that maybe a lot of that comes from, as you said, being different or "just not fitting in." Moving here and there, not knowing his father, having that funny name, having many different cultural backgrounds, maybe all of that caused him to spend a lot of time trying to figure out just who Barack Hussein Obama is. Does that make sense?

I've never really gotten that same feeling from other politicians, even some of my favorites like Howard Dean and Pelosi and, yes, Bill Clinton. Its a sort of honesty that I think makes a lot of people think he is too good to be true or shouldn't be trusted or, as certain people have said, that he is so naive that he thinks he will be able to enter the White House and make everything perfect.

Sorry some have called you a troll. I'm still pretty new here, so I sometimes can't make heads or tails of that sort of thing. I just keep reminding myself that we all want the same things. We all want to pull this country out of this wretched mess that Bush created. We all think our candidate is the one to do that and we get frustrated with others who don't agree with us. It'll get better!

[Garbo 2004]

188. But yesterday, before today's MyDD post you stated Edwards would endorse HRC on May 5.

Tropics_Dude83 (813 posts) Sat Mar-29-08 06:29 PM
Response to Reply #8
17. Edwards will endorse HRC Monday May 5
The groundwork is being laid to explain this massive shock.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5311451&mesg_id=5311545

So from where did you pull your seemingly authoritative statement from yesterday? Your belief? Your panic? Do you now "firmly believe" tomorrow rather than May 5?

In this thread posters have logically pointed out the utter nothingness of the "STUNNING" "BREAKING" RUMOR you've promulgated in this thread. A rumor that is not even credited by the author of the MyDD blog post you cite. You further stated as "fact" that CDP is "aflame" solely based on a blog report of 2 people repeating a rumor from an unidentified "woman in the hall;" you also speculated wildly that Bill Clinton perhaps "excitedly" let it slip...although such a "slip" from Bill Clinton at the CA Dem convention would indeed be noticed and cited. And yet you appear surprised that some do not take what you've posted in this thread seriously and question your credibility?

BTW, delegates and superdelegates at the Cal Dem convention have been interviewed on the local newscasts, including SD's who attended a meeting with Bill Clinton. Perhaps not so surprisingly so far none of them happened to mention the rumor that according to you had the CDP "aflame." Guess they didn't run into the "woman out in the hall."

[DFW]

147. Nothing's impossible, I guess, but just in case,

keep your tabasco sauce ready..........

[Obamaniac]

148. YAWN!!!!!!!!!

This is what the tenth time this "rumor" has been circulated. It never materialized before, don't expect it to now.

[AmericanUnity]

149. She's the polar opposite of everything he stands for. If he endorses it'll be his undoing

[Catherina]

152. He didn't really stand for those things

Here's his home, 10.5 bathrooms, 4 SUVs parked in front of it. It was hard for alot of people to take him seriously.

[Honeycombe8]

151. Probably won't happen. But if he endorses anyone, it'll be the Clintons 'cause they don't think...

America will vote for a black man, per Elizabeth Edwards.

Don't shoot the messenger. Just relaying what she said. After she said that, I KNEW the Edwards would not endorse Obama.

[Tarheel_Dem]

163. Is there anyplace this is documented? I can't believe Elizabeth

ever said that.

[Honeycombe8]

199. I saw it myself, live, on TV. Interview w/Elizabeth Edwards. She was sitting...

in front of a stage...either in a chair or edge of the stage. No doubt about it. The question was unexpected, and she responded quickly, with no pause. Question was something like, "Do you think America is ready to elect a black President?" Her answer, with no pause, "No."

[Tarheel_Dem]

220. so far no one has stepped up to confirm your account, so I still

find it highly suspect. IMHO

[Maddy McCall]

154. Would be nice, but I wouldn't put any stock in it.

[DesertRat]

156. That certainly would cause an uproar around here.

[mod mom]

158. All it would do for me as a former Edwards supporter is LOSE RESPECT for his anti corporate

stance. It will prove empty rhetoric after all her ties to special interest/corporatism.

[Thickasabrick]

170. Same here - I will be very disappointed

[HooptieWagon]

159. Too late to help her , if true.

He really waited much too long... he's not a SD AFAIK, and the point where his endorsement would have a significant impact has passed. If he was looking to bargain for his endorsement, he's misplayed his hand.

[AmericanUnity]

165. If EDWARDS does endorse he'll be the laughingstock of the Democratic Party - She's the opposite

[superkia]

167. I could see this, I always thought Edwards would endorse Clinton...

due to the power the Clinton's have in the elites system of government. It pays to be part of the good ole boy system in this country.

[Thickasabrick]

168. Edwards isn't that stupid. Most of his supporters support Obama - it

makes no sense for him to do that - besides - rumor has it (since we are repeating rumors) Elizabeth hates her guts.

Will you make a youtube of you eating your hat?? :)

[lumberjack_jeff]

169. It is apparent that Hillary's policy goals are more closely aligned.

I don't consider it stunning at all. Edwards has never struck me as someone who would endorse someone just because he likes to be part of a club.

If he does, it's a pity he didn't do it two months ago.

[Sensitivity]

171. Anyone who believed Edwards anti-corp anti-establishment stick was real

MUST THINK HE IS A MEMBER OF WRIGHTS CHURCH.

:rofl:

[Medusa]

172. Thank you.

For saying outloud what I came to the conclusion of long ago.

[NC_Nurse]

174. That would be pretty stupid. But we'll see.

[FyurFly]

175. He knows Obama is unelectable in the GE

and is doing what he knows is our best chance of ending Republican occupation.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

176. I don't give a shit who St. John of Edwards endorses. I really don't nt.

[cascadiance]

178. How many times now have we heard this so-called "news"?...

[NanceGreggs]

180. This would be "news" if ...

... an Edwards endorsement of Hillary meant Obama supporters would abandon their candidate based on Edwards' say-so.

It won't.

[JayFredMuggs]

181. I think he's going to say his HAIRDRESSER is a woman named Hillary!

And that he endorses her way of treating his hair every other day!

Don't you think?

Hillary the hairdresser? Endorsed by Edwards?

[1776Forever]

182. Pray tell me why Edwards would do this after saying HRC is a Corporate Democrat?

Edwards Raps Clinton Over Blackwater Tie
Oct 5 2007
By MIKE GLOVER
Associated Press Writer

Edwards suggested similarities between Clinton, the Democratic front- runner, and the Republican president.

"George Bush has been a perfect example of cronyism because Blackwater has given hundreds of thousands of dollars to Republicans and to President Bush," he said in an interview with The Associated Press.

"I also saw this morning that Senator Clinton's primary adviser, Mark Penn, who is like her Karl Rove, his firm is representing Blackwater."

"It is the reason I continue to say we don't want to replace a group of corporate Republicans with a group of corporate Democrats," he said.

............

:banghead:

[anonymous171]

184. Apparently it's because Obama was "aloof, and glib" towards him.

I really hope Edwards is more mature than these anonymous sources make him out to be. And I had him as my second choice.

[Duncan]

183. I hope not.

This would be the first irritating thing out of Edwards mouth since 04.

[jenmito]

185. Well, that's the final nail in Obama's political coffin. It's all over.

:sarcasm:

[madrchsod]

186. well that was like looking into a mirror

we are saying the same thing....

stunning is`t it!

[ms liberty]

189. If it is true, it may not sway that many democrats here in NC...

although it might sway some people in other states. Here in my area of NC at least, he is not that popular among democrats. I like him a lot, and it is something that has irritated and puzzled me. It pre-dates this election cycle, and IIRC I began to notice is about the time he ran for POTUS in the 04 race.

I like Edwards myself. I would have voted for him if our primary had been held before he dropped out, and after Biden and Dodd dropped out. I wouldn't, however, cast my primary vote for someone solely because he (or any of our other political leaders) endorses them any more than I would make my choice based solely upon gender, race, or religious belief. It also will not, in and of itself, weigh that heavily upon my own decision. But as one endorsement among a number of endorsements from people I greatly respect, I would certainly give it consideration.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

190. but Elizabeth Edwards hates Hillary Clinton! - how could he?

[usregimechange]

192. Your sources says its a rumor and links to a source saying he has not decided...

[futureliveshere]

194. Well, good for her is he does. I don't understand why as BO is more like JE, but good for her.

[Yes We Did]

196. I think an Edwards endorsement is irrelevant at this late stage

[Yes We Did]

197. It will prove Feingold's assessment was indeed true...

Edwards is an opportunist and has never been consistent with his votes. It's why Feingold said he would never endorse Edwards.

Remember, Edwards voted for the war too. He also voted for that really bad bankruptcy bill.

These are two areas that undermine his core principles of taking care of America and the poverty situation. I like Edwards but he has proven to be exactly like Clinton in one respect. HE never Learns from his mistakes.

[Franks Wild Years]

205. That's very true.

Here's exactly what Feingold said:

"The one that is the most problematic is (John) Edwards, who voted for the Patriot Act, campaigns against it. Voted for No Child Left Behind, campaigns against it. Voted for the China trade deal, campaigns against it. Voted for the Iraq war ... He uses my voting record exactly as his platform, even though he had the opposite voting record.

When you had the opportunity to vote a certain way in the Senate and you didn't, and obviously there are times when you make a mistake, the notion that you sort of vote one way when you're playing the game in Washington and another way when you're running for president, there's some of that going on."

All true, of course, and it really shows Edwards up as any sort of moralistic politician, the type of which he portrays himself as. If we are to analyse his record, it in fact makes a lot of sense as to why Edwards would opt for an attack-dog liar like Clinton.

[d.amber]

198. If this happens...it will break my heart...

I believed John wanted to fight the system and Hillary is the system. Plus...she won't win. I believe John in O4 and I supported and donanated to him in 08. To give in to everything that he has been against just makes no sense. The health care issue just isn't enough to justify everything else.

Please John and Elizabeth...don't do it. Don't endorse at all if you have to but don't endorse Hillary.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

200. What a load of bullcrap...

I followed the links. There's nothing there but somebody's suspicion.

My Prediction: Edwards will announce that he's going to be in the starting rotation for the Red Sox.

Didn't he endorse Hillary two weeks ago on "The Tonight Show?"

What in heaven's name would make Edwards, who was closer aligned with Obama on policy matters, endorse Hillary at precisely the moment that her campaign is going in the tank?

[surfermaw]

201. Funny thing, I am in North Carolina, Chelsey attended the Convention for Hillary not Bill

Bill Clinton, spoke to about 15,000 people in North Carolina on Friday, but I don't think he went to the Convention.. He was in another state, but I can't remember which, his last stop in North Carolina was in Ashville, he was running about an hour behind, but the group wasn't in the least upset, they just enjoyed S. music.

[OzarkDem]

204. He was in California, at their state convention

Told everyone to chill out. Go Big Dog.

Bill Clinton tells Democrats in San Jose to 'chill out' over nomination fight


http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_8750320?source=most_emailed

[DS1]

202. Obama campaign expected to call him Benedict Arnold in 3, 2

oh wait, they won't do that.

( I was going to go with Gaius Baltar )

[Irishonly]

206. Isn't this about the hundredth time Edwards is rumored to endorse?

I don't think he will, never have thought he would and would be very surprised if he did.

[Infinite Hope]

207. Won't happen...unless Elizabeth endorses Obama. n/t

[loveangelc]

208. do you feel stupid yet?

[JayFredMuggs]

216. John Edwards has better things to do in his life

Than get into this mess.

IMO

[tabasco]

211. Still about four hours left.

HOW COULD THE LADY IN THE HALL BE WRONG ABOUT THIS??!!?11!?

[Frank Booth]

212. That's what I was wondering. This has still got to happen. It's just got to.

Where can we go for reliable information if not to the lady in the hall? The lady in the hall cannot possibly be wrong!

[Thrill]

213. He's irrelevant here in NC.

[anonymous171]

214. *BREAKING* ANONYMOUS SOURCE UPLOADS TAPED CONFERENCE BETWEEN EDWARDS AND

THE OTHER TWO CANDIDATES:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgUQl75hUVs

[Barack_America]

219. ROFLMAO!

Oh my god, that was HILARIOUS!

His accent was dead on!

Thank so much for posting that!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Hawkeye-X]

215. Monday is almost over. Find a hat, and start eating it.

Update #2: I firmly believe he'll endorse her tommorrow. I believe this rumor. Bill Clinton was at the convention giving a speech. He probably excitedly let this slip. I'll eat my hat if this isn't true. I won't stop posting though :)

And take a picture and post it. Thanks!

[JeffR]

217. That WAS stunning.

Whew.

[Arugula Latte]

218. It's 10:40 pm on the East coast. No endorsement heard yet.

I'd get some Hat Sauce to make it go down easier, if I were you.

[DUyellow]

222. April Fools DAY!!!!!!!!!

[SoonerPride]

223. Edwards is scared to endorse.

I'm conviced he won't ever make up his mind.

[MadBadger]

224. EAT YOUR HAT!!

[kid a]

225. how's THE SECRET working out for you?