(To me) The most disturbing of the Clinton Campaign Debts....

[Mother Of Four]

This is a repost from another thread, I wanted it to have it's own. I don't want this issue to just die out- I'm too angry about it.


(REPOST HERE)

FIRST- SCHOOL DISTRICTS!

Bow School District 2,471.43
Clinton Community School Dist. 562.50
Community Education 541.00
Iowa Falls Community School District 640.00
Merrimack Valley High School Attn: Terri Moore 1,085.00
Missouri Valley Community School District 900.00
Muscatine Community School District 805.81
North Scott Community School District 630.00
Salem School District Attn: Accounts Receivable 507.36
Solon Community School Distr. c/o Cindy Steege 1,984.20
Souhegan High School Attn: Sally Varanka 1,415.00
Tennessee State University Office of VP, Student Affairs 3,870.00
University of New Hampshire Central Admin. Bus. Svce. Ctr. 505.68
Winnacunnet Cooperative School District 4,411.05


LOCAL GROCER- Who allowed them to purchase food for the campaign on credit

(From what I understand the next are from local Grocers)
Hy-Vee #1 959.39
Hy-Vee #1101 997.12
Hy-Vee #1109 704.09
Hy-Vee #1192 556.22
Hy-Vee #1759 1,350.47
Hy-Vee #1866 1,057.89
Hy-Vee #1895 1,314.00
Hy-Vee Food Store 1,452.96
Hy-Vee, Inc. 716.20


POLICE and FIRE Departments?!

Lebanon Police Department 875.00 (This one and the schools totally tick me off, my husbands a police officer and my kids are all still school age)
Manchester Fire Department Attn: Dona Blais 1,164.93 (Yeah...lets just take the local FD for granted- They get paid TONS right? )
Rockingham County Sheriff's Department 864.00




Tax supported facilities- Perfect example of unwilling campaign contributors, taxpayers
Cedar County Fair Association 800.00
Franklin County Convention Ctr 625.00
Hellenic Orthodox Community of Saint George 800.00
Iowa State Fair 6,055.00
North Iowa Fair Association 1,000.00
State Theatre Regional Arts Center at New Brunswick 1,610.00
Sumter County Exhibition Ctr. 869.30
Town of Hampton Attn: Finance Department 4,628.96


Lets not forget just how important childrens services are to her right?
Boys and Girls Club of Black Hawk County 1,000.00
Boys Club of Sioux City 625.00
Newton YMCA Attn: Kristin Orl 1,200.00
YWCA of Manchester 600.00

Hey, she supports Unions right?
Iowa Farmers Union 575.00

Last but not least- I thought healthcare was Hillary's baby?
Aetna Healthcare 213,085.25
CareFirst BlueCross BlueShield 299,455.02


You know, if I didn't pay my bills- we would have to go bankrupt, lose our house and the shirts off our backs. Looks to me that many of these (Most except the health care/union are at least partially supported by local taxes) are being paid out of pocket by unwilling participants.

(END REPOST)

She needs to be called on the carpet about this, these people need paid and need paid NOW before her funds dry up.

Taken from this list http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M2/C00431569/D_DEBTS_C00431569.html

EDIT- The above link is for Febuary, this one is for March http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M3/C00431569/D_DEBTS_C00431569.html you may want to compare and contrast and draw your own conclusions.

There are some debts that have been carried over, just from a cursory glance. Schools, heathcare bills etc.

[gateley]

1. Infuriating, yes,

but even MORE disturbing to me is that it represents the OBSCENE amount of money it takes to run for POTUS.

[Johnny__Motown]

2. K&R

[kid a]

3. Are you sure that is an "outstanding" debt list? Or just list of payments.

[Mother Of Four]

4. According to what I read-

These are "Unpaid Invoices" -

Which means they are pending payment.

[VolcanoJen]

5. The report the OP cited was released on February 20, 2008.

So, since it's now March 30, 2008, those invoices are already past the standard 30-day term for payment.

Of course, we really don't know for certain that each of those invoices remains outstanding today, March 30, do we?

[Mother Of Four]

9. Heres the one for March-

Might want to compare and contrast-

http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M3/C00431569/D_DEBTS_C00431569.html

[NYCGirl]

12. WOW! $29,000 to the Boston Symphony! NT

[kid a]

7. Gotcha. Ok. Haven't seen that yet. Is she running ads in PA?

If I was owed money for services and sat watching a $15,000 TV ad I would be furious.

That sucks/

[Mother Of Four]

23. I don't really watch TV-

And I'm in NC. I'm sure if she hasn't started running them she will soon.

[C_U_L8R]

6. Maybe that's her healthcare answer right there

Things would be great if we didn't have to pay our bills like Hillary Clinton.

Hey wait a minute!!! How come the big health insurance companies are letting
Hillary slide on her bills??? I mean if it was you or me being late on a payment,
they'd suspend our account in a heartbeat right? It's happened to me... twice.
So how come Hillary is getting SPECIAL favors from the INSURANCE companies ????
Hmmmmmm ???

That's some Clintonistic smelling stuff right there.

[merh]

37. Doesn't her health care plan include regulations which

would include garnishing the worker's wages if the premiums are not paid?

[cliffordu]

8. K&R

[Road Scholar]

10. K&R nt

:kick:

[1776Forever]

11. Cash-strapped Clinton fails to pay bills 3/30/08.....

Cash-strapped Clinton fails to pay bills
By KENNETH P. VOGEL | 3/30/08 7:00 AM EST

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9259.html


Clinton’s camp has put off paying bills for months, earning campaign a reputation as something of a deadbeat in some small-business circles.

Hillary Rodham Clinton’s cash-strapped presidential campaign has been putting off paying hundreds of bills for months — freeing up cash for critical media buys but also earning the campaign a reputation as something of a deadbeat in some small-business circles.

A pair of Ohio companies owed more than $25,000 by Clinton for staging events for her campaign are warning others in the tight-knit event production community — and anyone else who will listen — to get their cash upfront when doing business with her. Her campaign, say representatives of the two companies, has stopped returning phone calls and e-mails seeking payment of outstanding invoices. One even got no response from a certified letter.

Their cautionary tales, combined with published reports about similar difficulties faced by a New Hampshire landlord, an Iowa office cleaner and a New York caterer, highlight a less-obvious impact of Clinton’s inability to keep up with the staggering fundraising pace set by her opponent for the Democratic presidential nomination, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama.

Clinton's campaign did not respond to recent, specific questions about its transactions with vendors. But Clinton spokesman Jay Carson pointed on Saturday to an earlier statement the campaign issued to Politico, asserting: "The campaign pays its bills regularly and in the normal course of business, and pays all of its bills."

Just like with other businesses, it’s common for campaigns to carry unpaid bills from month to month, but in Clinton’s case, it also could serve a strategic purpose.

The New York senator’s presidential campaign ended February with $38 million in the bank, according to a report filed last week with the Federal Election Commission, but only $16 million of that can be spent on her battle with Obama.

The rest can be spent only in the general election, if she makes it that far, and must be returned if she doesn’t. If she had paid off the $8.7 million in unpaid bills she reported as debt and had not loaned her campaign $5 million, the cash she would have had available at the end of last month to spend on television ads and other upfront expenses would have been less than $2 million.

(snip)

By contrast, if you subtract Obama’s $625,000 in debts and his general-election-only money from his total cash on hand at the end of last month, he’d still be left with $31 million.

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:hurts:

[Mother Of Four]

13. Thanks-

I had forgotten where that link was.


I don't normally get infuriated, but I see first hand what happens with the budget at my husbands work. For instance, with my husbands "special assignments" it's not the dept that pays the officers out of pocket, it's the people they are providing the service for. They are supposed to get compensated after the event is over, either that night or by the next business day.

If those depts work the same way, that means those men/women were out there for hours with no compensation away from their families on off duty time. Many public service (Police Fire EMS) DEPEND on that extra assignment money to get them from paycheck to paycheck.


I also see first hand with my children's schools how tight the budget is.

I really wish I could give whoever is taking care of HRC's finances a piece of my mind. And if not them HRC herself.

[1776Forever]

16. I agree with you - Did you see this where a campaign worker had $3,000 taken from her without her

knowledge???????? This is getting really weird! I have never heard anything like this happening, but I could be wrong.

I voluntarily left the Hillary Finance Committee after I discovered more than $3,000 in unauthorized charges from HRC campaign on my own VISA card! And that set off a wave of overdrafts and $400 in bank charges that I was stuck with. And the compliance officer Allison Wright at Hillary VA headquarters refused to reimburse me for the charges. And the senior finance reps who I notified about more than $3,000 in unauthorized Visa Charges never once aplogized or empathized with my plight, much less sent me a "sorry for all the trouble" note and a check!

Unbelievably, it took me more than a month of pleading and begging via email to get the money back.

Cross posted from Bluejersey.com

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From this DU posting:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5315928&mesg_id=5315928

[Mother Of Four]

21. That simply disgusts me-

That poor woman had to threaten legal action to see a little bit of justice in the article I read about her. :(

EDIT- Whoops..was so mad I didn't proof read. Spelling mistake :blush:

[ORDem]

14. K&R

:kick:

[grantcart]

15. ready on day one - you get paid later

[flor de jasmim]

17. Maybe the DNC should pay these bills out of the $$ Clinton contributors are asking back

[1776Forever]

19. Great idea!!!!! I like it - I really like it!!!!

:thumbsup:

[blogslut]

27. She owes the DNC money too

$33,750.00

It's been owed since at least February.

I sure as heck would like to know what that debt was for.

[Yael]

18. She STILL hasn't paid her Iowa bills?

Dear Lord. And this woman wants to run the country.

No thanks.

[pdxmom]

20. This is incredibly disturbing to me, especially the health insurance

portion of the debt. I'm also really troubled by carry over debts to school systems. Who IS she paying? What is she determining is more important than these debts she's racking up? Not a good sign of how she would handle the country.

[roguevalley]

29. she's not paying bills so she can run ads for her sorry campaign.

I've seen campaigns since before Kennedy and I have to tell you, this is the worst, most inept national campaign in modern history.

[tblue37]

33. Mark Penn always gets his millions on time, I hear. n/t

[tpsbmam]

22. They all suck. As someone who had a small business she might have used....

not to have our bills paid could really make a difference in our business depending on when it happened. Ours was a word-of-mouth type of special events business and we had to hire staff to work big special events, meaning we'd have had to pay them out of pocket and wait to get reimbursed if we chose to do business that way (clearly many have). It would also involve things like furniture rental, etc. Particularly early on in the course of our business, she could have frigging put us out of business pulling this kind of crap There is absolutely no way we wouldn't have paid the staff who worked the event, so we'd have been stuck with the cost. We did work for a couple of local campaigns and we were paid pretty damn promptly (though we did require enough deposit to cover the paying of staff we'd have to hire, etc -- it we were going to get screwed on anything it'd have been our fee). It's just plain not OK no matter who doesn't get paid (except the jillion dollar a month consultants -- I don't really give a damn about the likes of Mark Penn).

[sandnsea]

24. A much bigger problem than schools even

I don't think people really understand how small business is often hand to mouth. It's really shitty to not pay immediately.

[Mother Of Four]

25. Really good point-

I saw alot of individual names that I didn't recognize, and businesses but didn't know which were smaller.

She's makes out that she's so concerned about the economy, you would think she would realize that the way it is right now just a small push will unbalance businesses to fall right over the cliff.

[earthlover]

26. I believe Mark Penn was paid promptly...

[Diana Prince]

30. 6 million in Feb.

Must be nice.

[Mother Of Four]

32. Every time I think about spending all that money -

On someone like PENN...
I want to hurl :(

[Mother Of Four]

28. This is part of her problem- Toon I found.

[Cha]

36. Obama's Over

the Moon!

[Raven]

31. K&R This is awful, just awful. This simply cannot be true and, if it is,

we need to keep this kicked and maybe the OP can find a way to get it to her campaign. I'm not sure what these school entities thought they were doing putting $ out there for any politician but if they are really owed and have not been paid after all this time (lots of NH bills here)this woman has no business in this race. I am outraged at this. And, for the flamers here, I would be equally outraged if Obama pulled such a lousy stunt.

[SoonerPride]

34. She would pay them if she had the money. She doesn't because her campaign is over.

No one is funding it because it is over.

The end.

[Colobo]

35. Very disturbing indeed!

[FatDave]

38. Hy-Vee bills are almost surely from Iowa

Hy-Vee is the largest grocery chain in Iowa. There's a handful in surrounding states, but Iowa is covered with things. If you grew up in Iowa (or especially Des Moines) you probably worked for Hy-Vee at some point.

But these bills (still unpaid in the March thread above) are almost assuredly from Iowa, and I'm pretty sure she hasn't been back here since January 3. So those are surely past due.

(Edited because myspacebarisgoingout)

[Vinca]

39. That health insurance bill ought to have her rethinking true universal.

single payer healthcare as introduced by Kucinich.

Editing to change that first reference to what it really is: insurance.