Why I think Hillary could be dangerous as President

[cali]

I've watched Hillary from the beginning of this campaign with a wary eye. I often defended her here against unfair charges, and I still don't believe she's a neocon or a war monger, but I do believe that she's someone who could be a dangerous President. It's clear that Hillary is determined to show that she can be as tough on foreign policy as any man, and I think it's reasonable to fear that that's not merely a posture for the election, but something she'd bring with her into the White House. Her votes in the Senate are testament to her hawkish stances. Not only did she vote for the IWR and support it for years, she voted for Kyle/Lieberman and against restricting the use of cluster bombs.

So what has Clinton ever done to move the cause of peace forward in her Senate career? Nothing.

Then there's a question of temperment. The thing that's really startled me about watching Clinton is how tempermentally unsuited she is to the office. She is reactive and not reflective. She doesn't plan ahead, as has been made clear by her campaign decisions. She depends on people who are loyal to her, rather than people who speak honestly to her.

She's fiscally irresponsible. Why believe that she can manage the nation's economy when she can't manage her own campaign funds?

All of these things are indicators, and could foretell how she'd operate as President. Nothing is absolute, of course, but I can't ignore these weaknesses.

Having said that, she's no where near as dangerous as McCain, and if she's the nominee, I'll vote for her- albeit with a lot of trepidation.

[anonymous171]

1. I agree. Her strategy and behavior is EXTREMELY reactive. But it's better than inactive McCain.

[ClassWarrior]

2. I agree. I wish she'd been this tenacious in opposing...

...the Blank Check for Invasion, two Extreme Court nominees, the bankruptcy bill, etc., etc., etc.

NGU.

[tabasco]

35. You got that right!

Why didn't she throw her little temper tantrums about the trumped-up intel and Bush banging the war drum?!

[meow mix]

3. K&R

:thumbsup:

[Liberal Veteran]

4. Oh, you and your "facts" and "logical analysis" of her campaign.

:P

[Johnny__Motown]

5. It's a good thing she lost the nomination weeks ago

[Oleladylib]

7. only in an alternate world. (or alternate state of being)

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[Lerkfish]

9. your characterization is inaccurate

I recall Cali defending Clinton to me on several occasions in the past, to the point where I had pegged her as a clinton supporter.

and otherwise, you're being insulting for no apparent reason.

[cali]

12. Thanks, lerkfish, for speaking out on that.

I have indeed defended Clinton against what I saw as sexism or other unfair attacks.

[Lerkfish]

27. I calls em as I sees em

sometimes I"m mistaken, but I don't like people making crap up.

[gateley]

19. Boy, Mags is GOOD!

Every post s/he has done today has pissed someone off (myself included) which I believe is the intent. S/he's got this down to an art form. :thumbsup:

[cali]

11. oh, yes I have. Back in the fall and through much of Jan I was called a hillbot

more than once by posters on this forum. Funny thing, I don't recall YOU posting here at the time.

And who gives a flying fuck what you believe or don't believe? Not me, dear. So stop your sad little projection. Just because you won't vote for Obama if he's the nominee, doesn't mean that I, much as I dislike Hillary as a nominee, won't vote for her.

[Emit]

13. cali is one of the most honest DU posters I know

she has no 'game' -- she's just telling the truth as she sees it. If she says she'll vote for HRC, she will.

[PylesMalfunction]

18. I've read several posts by Cali.....

where she was defending Clinton.

[L0oniX]

20. Who cares about what you say? You haven't even contributed to DU and you haven't been around long ..

enough to know that Cali is one of the better members here.

[emilyg]

21. What does contributing to DU have anything to do with this?

[L0oniX]

23. It can say something about a persons intentions here.

[emilyg]

30. Or it can say they don't have any extra money.

[L0oniX]

31. Heh ...uhm $45 a month for cable but not an extra $10 to donate. hmmm

[emilyg]

34. That person has a star. Just saying.

[TahitiNut]

22. Remarkable. It's ALL about cali. Just a total personal attack.

"... Cali, You ... your ... You ... you ... you ..."

What an appallingly reprehensible post. Sociopathic. Complete and utter trash-talking and gutter rhetoric.

:puke:

[Lerkfish]

8. "So what has Clinton ever done to move the cause of peace forward"

well said.

[LakeSamish706]

10. Thats a great post Cali, with all the reasons that those who support her should...

seriously consider. I agree totally with all of your points, and yes she does scare the crap out of me.

[K Gardner]

14. Good post, Cali. And true. K&R

[zulchzulu]

15. Hillary Clinton is actually a PNAC stooge

If you look at her votes, look at her rhetoric and look at where she hangs out with The Fellowship, she is willing to be a stooge for Project For A New American Century tactics. It's that simple.

[Cha]

24. Agree with your

post, zulch.

[tabasco]

36. Durn tootin' she is!

Schmoozin' with the likes of Murdoch and Scaife means she ain't no Demmiecrat!!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

16. The Cluster Bomb Queen!

enough said!

[sniffa]

17. She's the Goddess of War

Or Gwar for short.

[H2O Man]

25. The Great Writ

I had hoped that some journalist would question Senator Clinton closely about her views on restoring habeas corpus. It is easy for a democratic candidate to say they will reverse the damage that Bush has done to the Great Writ. However, it was President Clinton who did the initial damage to habeas corpus, and opened the door for Bush's "part 2."

[Mike03]

26. Very perceptive post.

I agree with every single syllable of your post. She has many good qualities, but she also has some characteristics of a personality disorder, and that concerns me greatly.

Another very insightful post, Cali.

[Catherina]

28. K&R n/t

[Muttocracy]

29. I would love to think this would change on Day One

That once she got to the top, she'd no longer have to do the tough-as-a-man votes. But habits are hard to break.

[Tatiana]

32. Every enemy that has (wrongfully) attacked her, she's gotten in bed with.

That tells me, when the going gets tough, she's doesn't really fight against the enemy, she joins them.

The latest examples of cozying up to Murdoch and Scaife only reinforce my opinion. These are people who printed vicious lies about her and her family, insinuating that she was either a lesbian or that Chelsea was the result of an affair with Webster Hubbell.

Such slimy individuals aren't fit to tie her shoes, yet she's only too happy to take Murdoch money and Scaife-approved endorsements. Not to mention giving a windfall in madated $$$ to the same health insurance industry that villified her and called her proposed plan "HillaryCare."

[VolcanoJen]

33. I'm concerned about her aversion of transparency.

My biggest concern about a Hillary Clinton Presidency is that I think she'd continue the notorious Bush secrecy. I just don't see her throwing open the gates and letting the sun shine upon the Executive Branch.

It's one of the reasons why I don't think it would bug Bush/Cheney very much if she wins the office. I don't think they'd have to worry about all of their nastiness being exposed.

[FogerRox]

37. McCain is worse, way worse, but Obama will be a good president

I would vote for HRC in the GE, but I wont have to.

[LulaMay]

38. She's the Rock of Gibralter, gracious, doesn't get rattled. Obama reacts emotionally

like turning away when he was with Teddy to avoid talking with her or shaking her hand.

He has been babied by the party, media, and managed to piss off John and Elizabeth Edwards with an ungracious and smug attitude when he met with them. He got into a fight with Elixabeth about health care.

He has a LOT to learn.

[cali]

39. Doesn't get rattled? What was the shrieking "Shame on you

Barack Obama", about? It was clearly a case of her being rattled and scared as hell of the Wisconsin primary. How about the self-pitying junk in the debate where she actually whined about being asked questions first?

Hillary gets shaken far too easily. Under an assault as heavy as the MSM one on Obama, she'd crumble in her typical reactive fashion.

And Hillary seems incapable of learning from her many mistakes, misstatements and miscues.

[Blue_Roses]

40. "She's the Rock of Gibralter, gracious, doesn't get rattled."

O-Kay. :eyes: Denial. Now there's a word that you might not be familiar with.

You must have missed it when Hillary went ballistic time and time again. When something doesn't go her way, her first reaction is to raise that shrill voice of hers. She acts like she's entitled to win this race and that "shame on you Barack Obama," moment was absolutely ridiculous. She sounded like a mother scolding a child. Obama has acted like the "adult" in this campaign by not feeding into her rants.

I always had a lot of respect for Hillary, but this campaign has showed a side of her that is very disappointing.

[leveymg]

41. OP's hit it. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly.

[Scurrilous]

42. K & R

:thumbsup: