Hillary Clinton portrays calls to quit as chauvinism

[NDambi]

Faced with a growing chorus to abandon the uphill battle against Barack Obama for the Democratic nomination, Hillary Clinton is falling back on what she sees as her trump card - her gender

During a weekend interview with the Washington Post - arranged at her request - she was asked whether Mr Obama could beat John McCain, the Republican nominee.

She responded: "I'm saying I have a better chance. You cannot as a Democrat win the White House without a very big women's vote. What I believe is that women will turn out for me."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/30/whillary130.xml

[anonymous171]

1. That's why Obama said she should stay in "as long as she wants."

Thus preventing Hillary from rallying the womyn vote.

[Cha]

23. Really, as prone to dividing as hilary

is..it looks like her latest scheme is calling the women to arms. Wonder how much that strategy set her back?

[anonymous171]

43. If Obama can successfully connect with the working PA voter,

her change in tact will cost her dearly. I don't think working democrats want an annoying victim in the Whitehouse.

[Muttocracy]

2. Sun rises in east - details at 11

Sure, Hillary, women couldn't possibly vote for a man - we're all as sexist as you! :sarcasm:

[Johnny__Motown]

3. She portrays everything as chauvinism.. I suppose my post is chauvinistic too

[Cha]

25. You bet..ya

misogynist, you.

[dkf]

4. No Hillary...it's called facing reality and being able to count and add.

[JayFredMuggs]

13. Skills women who went to Wellesley College didn't have to do!~

They were TOO IMPORTANT to have to add.

Now Hillary doesn't pay her campaign bills either, she's TOO IMPORTANT for that!

[dkf]

20. Ack!

I think you are going to be in trouble over that one...

[DarienComp]

5. Ugh.

You know I might be willing to concede that both candidates have, to varying degrees, tried to use their "non-white-male" qualities to their advantage... but man, Hillary does it with all the subtlety of a sledgehammer.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

6. well this old woman won't be turning out

and many more! They can see she is just a coattailer, opaque and a misleading Lucretia.

[DeschutesRiver]

8. Ditto

Neither will this 50 year old women. She has become the kind of woman that pisses me off - I have no respect for this lying, cheating, bill-welching small minded, power grubbing candidate whatsoever.

And if she keeps up this "gender" card crap, yet still thinks strong women like me would fall for it, you can add "stupid" to that list as well.

[Kahuna]

7. I saw Chelsea on CNN this afternoon. Same message. The men

are out to get poor little Hillary. :puke:

[JayFredMuggs]

16. Actually I like Chelsea better

of the two women in the Clinton campaign, she'd get my vote, but she's too young to run.

[Kahuna]

29. She seems to take after Bill in the smooth department. nt

[Cha]

28. Edmund hilary dissed chelsea when she lied about

her Fire by Sniper Story in Bosnia. It puts chelsea in a spot where she, either, has to lie and support her mother or say her mother doesn't remember right. And what was that lie about where chelsea was when 9/11 happened? Poor chelsea..I guess she didn't stand a chance with two world class liars as parents.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/hillary.asp

[SoCalDem]

9. Gotta get the "gurl-power rangers" fired up

maybe she'll crank out a few tears for the cameras:)..or break a heel:)..or twist her ankle... or get a case of the vapors

[blonndee]

10. Quite the victim lately, aren't we, Hillary?

[babylonsister]

11. Yep, she can use her gender when it suits her; Obama, OTOH,

cannot make his race an issue. Who has a leg up on this? It doesn't seem to be helping her.

[anonymous171]

12. She's trying to pull a NH. Won't work though--

The "Kitchen Sink" ruined any chance she had of looking the "victim."

[Joe the Revelator]

14. No Hillary, those calls are coming from "reality"

Get on board, and get out of wonderland.

[Upton]

15. Hillary's a sexist

women do support Obama you know.

[NashVegas]

17. This Is What I Said a Month Ago When People Were Calling For Her to Drop Out

And Obama supporters hissed at the notion that it would be seen as sexist.

It's natural for people to look at history and remember that these types of calls have never been made in the past with two or more candidates running so closely. In past seasons, other candidates have carried their campaigns, even obviously losing campaigns, to the convention.

So what's different this time? Gosh, a female candidate just happens to be neck and neck with the front-runner. Sure looks like people are demanding she throw it and let the guy win.

I wrote just two days ago about what a colossal mistake it is for Dems to lean on Hillary to drop out of the race, and obviously they figured out that mistake for themselves or Obama wouldn't be working so hard to distance himself from those calls.

[POAS]

19. Which campaigns are you speaking of?

[NashVegas]

24. Wikipedia Is Your Friend

Feel free to use it to look up prior Democratic presidential campaign seasons, especially where delegate counts going into the convention are listed.

[POAS]

31. So your saying your

you don't have to be specific? How can I know what your talking about if you only issue generalizations and then don't back them up with facts.

If WIKI is my friend it is yours also. Do your own research and then get back here with one or more specific Democratic conventions that you want to discuss. Otherwise you are just blowing smoke!

[SwampG8r]

34. dont mean to butt in

but the dem convention im afraid to see repeated would be the '68
where the party took over and forced a candidate on the people
anyone remember nixon?
he won because the "party elders" wouldnt nominate mc carthy
they stuck hubert humphry on the ticket
this stolen convention almost killed the party

[POAS]

36. That is a point well taken and

one of the reasons the party elders fear another convention like 68.

While I think it is certainly early for either candidate to concede eventually something has to give and hopefully before a big floor fight or worse a backroom deal.

[NashVegas]

40. I'm Saying If You Disbelieve, Then Look It Up Yourself

and stop being an ankle-biter.

[POAS]

41. And I'm saying

stop throwing shit against the wall and then refusing to clean up your stinky mess.

I would have debated with you about the value of a brokered convention but not if you use silly tactics like telling me to wiki to figure out what the hell your driving at.

In my opinion people that use that tactic, you included, simply are spouting that which they have heard elsewhere and have no real knowledge on the subject. Your just a parrot and I won't bother with you again.

[PATRICK]

18. The kindest thing

one can say about organized calls to quit is simply trying to counter her present campaign style and certain strategy hopes that won't fly. Once those calls start coming from the higher ups then the general chorus strengthens.

The better course, in my opinion, is to concentrate in face saving or more anti-GOP de-escalation. That too is VERY hard to do since the rhetoric as gone so far. Stepping back not only delineates a change of strategy but a complete fold just as bad as dropping out, maybe more expensive.

So expect a lot more sniping though Hillary may in fact, for the good of all, be scaling back the "scorched earth" attempts and not putting so much pressure or useless armlocks on the remaining things still available. If she does it well everyone will still be fighting only not as much. If not she will look defeated or in fact drop out. Money may force her hand- the ugliest reality.

The chauvinism complaint whatever its merits is a mere detail in the current grind. It is not even a strong background. She shores up her base, etc. She fights back. She signals no defeat. That is her due as a candidate. Haven't we seen all too many candidates forced out with no chance to meet the voters? I appreciate the terrible trap she is in and that dropping out is not the fairest answer- just the shortest. The DNC ideal of having a cheap short coronation primary(mostly) is dead as a doornail. Going the distance- fairly as possible in this imperfect process- offers a better democratic voice to our choice.

[Cha]

21. So now she's disses the male gender of the species?

What's hilary's penchant for LYING called(I mean besides "misspeak"), Freakin' Pathological?

[azmouse]

22. If it looks like bullsh*t and smells like bullsh*t,

it's bullsh*t.

Buh-bye Hillary.

[Liberal Veteran]

26. Math is sexist!

[bunnies]

27. Yep. People wanting her to quit doesnt have anything to do with the fact that shes LOSING.

Its all because shes a poor little "girl". You know. She has a vagina. :eyes: Those big boys are picking on little hilly again.

Shes a woman manipulating women. heh. Not THIS time!

edit: sp.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

30. You can't be a fighter and a victim at the same time.

Pick one.

[SeattleGirl]

32. Exactly.

She says she has met the "Commander-in-Chief" test. Okay.

Then she says that people want her to quit just because she a woman/victim. Okay

Which one is it, Senator?

[Starbucks Anarchist]

35. Or "ready to lead on day one," then complaining about getting debate questions first.

:crazy:

[SeattleGirl]

37. I know.

There just seems to be so many contradictions there. A few, well, I would have no problem with that. Everybody can contradict themselves at times, but saying you're strong (and I do believe she is) on the one hand, and then saying (even via surrogates) that you're being picked on because you're a girl is not good.

[backscatter712]

33. Everything that isn't actively promoting Hillary is sexist to her.

:eyes:

[JayFredMuggs]

38. Woman must rule the world

It's the Clintonian way !

Any man who makes sense, gets more votes, and doesn't toe the Hillary line is a disciple of "Judas"

[IndyHatedByBothSides]

42. You mean like Nancy Pelosi? NT

[NC_Nurse]

39. This woman's voting for Obama. Why wouldn't other women?

If Hillary's out, then the argument to vote for a woman is moot.

[TLM]

44. So women will only vote for Hillary...

Is that what she is saying? If so, that's very sexist and arrogant of her... to act as if women will only vote for her and not for Obama in the GE.