Hillary will say anything and change nothing

[AGirl]

I remember the Obama campaign has said that very early in the campaign, before the commander in chief episode.

Do you think that is something you shouldn't say to your fellow democrat?

The reason I ask is that i understand why it is horrible for Hillary to say McCain and herself have the experience to be commander in chief, but at the same time, no one said anything when Obama kind of implied that Hillary is just the same old same old who will say or do anything to win...

but i guess the difference is that he didn't explicitly priase McCain Over Clinton like Clinton did...


Obama campaigns says ‘Hillary Clinton will do or say anything to win an election’ http://thepage.time.com/response-from-obama-campaign-manager-plouffe/

Obama Radio Ad says 'Hillary Clinton will say anything .' source: http://a.media.abcnews.com/podcasts/Tapper.mp3

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/01/obama-hillary-w.html


Obama says he’s up against a candidate who will ‘say anything or do anything to win an election.’

Obama said Hillary is more concerned 'about getting through an election than actually solving the health care problems.' “The Illinois senator said it is another instance of political maneuvering on Clinton's part. ‘So unless she can answer those questions this is yet another calculation that's more about getting through an election than actually solving the health care problems,’ he said.”

Obama said Hillary's positions are all based on 'what’s popular or politically convenient.' "Now, Senator Clinton is certainly not the only one in Washington to play this game. It’s gone on for years, and I understand the reasoning behind it. It’s a game that usually gets politicians where they need to go. But I don’t believe it gets America where we need to go. When it comes to issues like war and diplomacy, energy and health care, I don’t believe we can bring about real change if all we do is change our positions based on what’s popular or politically convenient."


Obama campaign Truth Squad member says Hillary and Bill Clinton are ‘all about deceit.’

Obama says 'Senator Clinton started off trying to make history, and now she's trying to rewrite it.'

Obama accused Hillary of not putting 'honesty first.' "The real choice in this election is between conventional Washington thinking that prizes posture and positioning, or real change that puts judgment and honesty first."

Obama said Hillary has not 'been truthful to voters about what she would do as president. NYT: “Has she been truthful to voters about what she would do as president?” Obama: “No.”

Obama said Hillary doesn't stand for anything. "Obama has criticized rival Hillary Rodham Clinton on both issues, and he said not taking strong stands ultimately doesn't work. 'People want parties to stand for something,' he said."






But Obama did not apologize for a radio ad here that says, "Hillary Clinton will say anything to get elected."

He said it responds to a Clinton ad that repeats a "discredited" claim that Obama praised Ronald Reagan's policies. Obama says he was simply noting the former Republican president's influence and political success.

[shadowknows69]

1. Why not, she's proved it.

[AGirl]

3. i agree, but he still said it before she said those things...

[cali]

2. link or be thought untruthful

I certainly don't remember him saying that.

[conservdem]

4. I do not think there should be a strict rule against saying such a thing

about a fellow Dem. Point of disclosure: I support Obama and think he's correct on the point.

[anonymous171]

5. Hey, it's better than endorsing McCain.

Saying Hillary is the "same old" is a legitimate attack (IMHO.) If Hillary had attacked Obama on something similiar I would've accepted that as a legitimate attack as well.

And anyways, she's kind of proving him right. ESPECIALLY after snipergate.

[Mike03]

6. I disagree. Clinton won't say anything to get elected. Her operative have said foolish

things on her behalf. And she has hit below the belt once or twice, but that is to be expected.

She's fighting for her political life now.

I don't agree with some of the things that have come out her camp, especially the "Judas" comment about Richardson, the Bosnia lie, or the redirection of attention to Reverand Wright. But she has to do what she has to do, just as Kerry should have done, and just as other victorious Dems have done in the past.

Politics is just politics.

But successful politics is war.

[AGirl]

8. yeah, i am just trying to figure out if she really did something that was so horrible

I feel like both camps have been attacking each other pretty badly

[Mike03]

10. Yeah, I agree with your post. I have to confess, I am so passionate about that

accusation that I didn't read your entire post before responding.

Sorry.

It's hard to separate out the behavior of her supporters and advisors from her actual statements, just as it in the case of Obama.

I did post my feelings that she crossed the line last week. I think she's a brilliant human being, but I really had a negative reaction to some of the things that happened last week.

But it's really not easy to run for President. I'm sure she is so exhausted. I just hope she doesn't rely too much on advice that is not good for her.

I just want to see and connect with the Real Hillary Clinton.

[VolcanoJen]

7. No, he said, "The Clintons will say anything to get a political or tactical advantage."

And, he was right.

If I recall correctly, he said these things after Bill's infamous "fairy tale" characterization of Obama's Iraq position, and immediately after her "slumlord" comment in a January debate.

Ahh, I did recall correctly:

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/01/obama_clintons_will_say_anythi.html

[VolcanoJen]

9. You're referring to a radio ad that was not sanctioned by the campaign...

... was in the Spanish language, and was run on Hispanic radio. You should consider editing your post, as it does not reflect what, in actuality, was said by Obama.

[Mike03]

11. I remember this as well, and I don't think you are being untruthful or

disingenuous (and I'm an Obama supporter).

Probably deservs a rec.

[AGirl]

12. thank you

[VolcanoJen]

13. Glad to see you updated your OP to reflect that your "quote" came from a radio ad....

... but you should still adjust the OP for accuracy, as Obama never said what you allege he said, and that's the entire basis of your post.

[Mike03]

18. In the real world, I don't think it matters whether he said it or not.

It originated from the camp of his supporters and saturated the thinking of some people who heard it. The OP is evidence enough that it made an impact.

The same high standards have been applied to Hillary's campaign and the words of those who represent her.

We need to be ethical, practical and honest with ourselves.

[VolcanoJen]

22. See, in the real world, the truth matters.

Not innuendo. It does matter that the OP says Obama said something that he did not say.

I'm not one for rhetorical games, so sorry, I'm not playing.

[Mike03]

24. That's fine with me, just so long as you apply your same strict standards to the rumors

and innuendos that come out of your favorite candidate's camp.

[VolcanoJen]

29. A candidate's "camp" is a lot different than *the candidate.*

This OP got it wrong from the start, and you jumped right in there to say, "Yeah, I remember that!"

:eyes:

Edit:And for the record, I think you'll find me running around DU correcting these kinds of statements quite often, regardless of which candidate an OP is speaking about. Myths just drive me up a wall.

[AGirl]

23. Obama Radio Ad says 'Hillary Clinton will say anything .' [Obama South Carolina Radio Ad, 1/23/08]

Obama Radio Ad says 'Hillary Clinton will say anything .' source: http://a.media.abcnews.com/podcasts/Tapper.mp3

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/01/obama-hillary-w.html

[VolcanoJen]

26. At least you've corrected your original OP, which was wholly inaccurate.

Good for you.

[Raine]

14. Saying that you'll say anything

is one thing actually putting it into action and SAYING ANYTHING & EVERYTHING is two different things. The "proof is in the pudding" and Hillary has proved that she WILL say and do ANYTHING.

[AGirl]

16. but you could argue that Clinton wouldn't have hit below the belt if Obama

and his campaign didnt accuse Clinton of saying anything to win power, by getting dirty with your opponent, you lost your moral status of accusing the dirty attacks of your opponent...

[VolcanoJen]

19. Except, Obama didn't say what you allege.

You can't make this argument until you correct your misstatement.

Obama did say that "Clinton would say anything to get a political or tactical advantage," which is quite different from what you're alleging. AND... he said it in response to Hillary's "slumlord Rezko" comment during the debate, and Bill's "fairy tale" mischaracterization of his Iraq position.

So, at this point, you're wrong on all counts. You could at least acknowledge it. I'm not holding my breath.

[AGirl]

21. Obama Radio Ad says 'Hillary Clinton will say anything .' [Obama South Carolina Radio Ad, 1/23/08]

Obama Radio Ad says 'Hillary Clinton will say anything .' source: http://a.media.abcnews.com/podcasts/Tapper.mp3

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/01/obama-hillary-w.html

[VolcanoJen]

25. Oh, OK, you've edited your OP, like, seven times now.

For all new to this thread, the OP originally alleged, and argued throughout the thread, that Obama said, "Hillary will say anything to get elected."

This thread is one of the most disingenuous things I've seen on GDP today.

Keep spinning, AGirl.

[AGirl]

32. humm I am trying to be truthful based on the information I've found..

[VolcanoJen]

34. I'm glad to have helped you find the truth.

Google before you post. It's a good rule to follow around here.

And I'm sorry, I don't mean to be picking on you, but myths drive me crazy.

[Mike03]

38. Do you ever think that maybe you are just a bully?

I agree that the message that came from the Obama camp was precisely as agirl says. And I'm an Obama supporter.

I don't really understand where you get the temerity to beat up on these posts, when the guilt falls to both sides in this debate.

[Mike03]

39. I'm sorry VolcanoJen

What I wrote was nasty. I apologize. I always like, read and respect what you write here.

Peace

[VolcanoJen]

42. I'm sorry to you, and to AGirl.

I was an ass, no excuses.

:hug:

Won't it be lovely when this primary is over, and we can have fun going after McCain?

[Mike03]

43. Nah, you were just being passionate and expressing your opinion :loveya:.

:loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

[Johnny__Motown]

15. Yep, he nailed it.. Excellent Judgement... thanks for pointing that out

[bunnies]

17. Another case of Obama being correct.

I love it!

[Skip Intro]

20. He's been attacking Hillary's character from day one.

[anonymous171]

27. "If a politician doesn't wanna get beat up, [s]he shouldn't run for office”

I wonder who said that?

[Skip Intro]

31. You know, I was just in another thread that accused Hillary supporters of defending her

by bringing up Obama.

You just did the opposite.

I guess instead of contesting the fact that that he's assaulted her character from day one you'd rather deflect. Well within your rights and not something I haven't seen a million times here.

[anonymous171]

33. No. It's just obvious that no one bothered to tell Bill about the new "victim" strategy beforehand.

Bad planning on Hillary's part, again.

[VolcanoJen]

36. Damned good point.

:-)

[Mike03]

28. Please stop editing your post. It's making some of us, who are trying to defend your POV, look

really stupid.

[AGirl]

30. I am trying to be as truthful as possible...

[Mike03]

35. Agirl, I was just kidding around with you.

I should have put some kind of smilie face on my post.

It's not easy to deal with some people around here, and I admire you for trying to do your best to present these issues honestly. But you are allowed to express your feelings too. I will always support you, no matter what you post, because I respect you.

Take care.

[AGirl]

37. oh thank you, you are so nice to me.

:hugs: I respect you alot too, I enjoy talking to you always.

[DemGa]

40. And when Clinton fires back she's mercilessly villified

It's been so disgusting, and all under the fraudulent claim of "new politics." What a sham this Obama -- many will not forget.

[anonymous171]

41. Actually it is the other way around.

Clinton has been doing a majority of the attacking. You would have had to be blind and deaf to not notice that.

[readmoreoften]

44. Both Clinton and Obama will say anything to get elected. /nt