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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 06:40 PM
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Perception of Electability At Stake For Obama In Coming Primaries
Great perspective of the primary, why it is far from over and why the O camp is whistling in the dark over "Math".

Super Delegates will have to listen to Clinton, based on the results of the remaining contests, and Obama knows it.

Interesting comparision to Harold Ford Jr as well. Read the full article for that.


This is going to be the best convention in decades!!! Do da do da!!

Some highlights:

Obama's dragging himself to fundraisers, however, is more surprising--and revealing. Despite what various pundits say about the race--that Clinton has almost no chance to win--the Obama Campaign must be looking down the road through a different scope. Obama must be estimating that his 30-plus million in the bank is not going to be enough. Internet fundraising from small donors is not going to re-supply him for a coming fight of the magnitude for which his campaign is bracing.

...

The second significant event, related to the first, is that Clinton has signaled her intention to fight Obama hard for North Carolina on May 6 by sending in Ace Young, who crafted her victories in California and Texas. The conventional wisdom has been that North Carolina, because of its large black population, is Obama's. A month ago, Obama led Clinton there in the polls by 14 points. By last Friday, however, his lead had dropped to a single point. His fall in North Carolina would seem to be a result of the Reverend Jeremiah Wright controversy. Clearly, this is Clinton's golden opportunity. For the first time since her humiliation in South Carolina, she will be able to contest seriously a Southern state, and if she wins--as well she might--she will change the dynamic of the race. If she wins Indiana the same day--another more and more likely victory--she will be able to keep that momentum going for a week until West Virginia, which she also should win, and then another week to victory in Kentucky, which will offset her likely loss of Oregon the same day
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Of the last ten Democratic contests, therefore, Obama may win only the three in the continental West: Oregon and then Montana and South Dakota on June 3. As his nearer goal, Obama absolutely must keep his loss in Pennsylvania less than twenty points. If he cannot, the margin will signal the kind of collapse in white support that Clinton experienced with African-Americans in South Carolina. Either scenario--a sweeping defeat in Pennsylvania or a slow bleed through the last ten contests--will plant the question of electability in the minds of some Super Delegates. For the reality is that Barack Obama cannot win the national election in November without the faith and enthusiasm of a good chunk of white middle class and lower class America.

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While Barack Obama has acquired baggage, Hillary Clinton has finally got a narrative--and for her this is a very good thing, far outweighing any consequences of losing the possibility of revotes in Michigan and Florida, or of losing this or that endorsement, in an election where endorsements have not meant much. Voters firmly rejected her first queenly claims to the nomination--that she deserved it, that she was the inevitable winner--and punished her for the presumption. But now, almost despite herself, and certainly despite the royal style of her campaign, she presents a consistent persona of the hard-knock candidate, both giving and receiving blows, who refuses to lay down and die. There's a grudging respect for her now in middle America and, more importantly, a growing sense that as a nation we are so screwed--damned if we stay in Iraq, damned if we don't; the government needs to spend big on health care and education and infrastructure and rebuilding the military at the same time it needs to rein in the deficit--that it well may take a tough-as-nails, Washington-bitten, willing to get-down-and-dirty closer like Hillary Clinton to hack a path through the swamp.

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Adding to the possibility of success for an Electability strategy are two recent polls on how Democrats would like to see Super Delegates make up their minds. In a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll of March 14-16, 49% of respondents said that the Super Delegates should choose "the best candidate;" 27% said the Super Ds should heed the race results in their own state; 19% said that the Super Ds should make a decision based on all primaries and caucuses combined. In a Newsweek poll taken March 5-6, 43% of respondents said that the trailing candidate should concede and 42% said that the Super Delegates should determine the winner. Unless these percentages change over the next few months, they undercut the belief that Super Delegates shouldn't feel free to choose on the basis of Electability over other (even though quantifiable) criteria

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/perception-of-electabilit_b_93207.html

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Bigleaf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 06:44 PM
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1. It is going to be a great convention. Hillary will have dropped out by then of course.
Anyone who thinks this won't be decided before the convention is delusional.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 06:49 PM
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3. That is what the convention is for!
Hello!

There is no nominee until the delegates vote. This is done at the convention, it is the purpose of the convention, the only purpose of the convention.


Sheesh, haven't you ever watched a real political convention?


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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:06 PM
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31. Wow. Could you PM me some lottery numbers while you are at it?
I am going to go take my thorazine now.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 06:46 PM
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2. Of course he's still trying to raise money...he has a General Election to finance
nt
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 06:51 PM
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5. he cannot spend the additional money until he has the nomination
the DNC cannot give him any money until he is the last candidate in the race.

Hillary is going to the convention.

It is going to be a rockin summer!
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 07:04 PM
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7. Sweetheart, she's not going to last through the summer. As Dean said, 7/1/08 is her
drop dead date. I seriously doubt she will have the money or support to last even that long.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 07:09 PM
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8. Wolsh, Dean has no authority to call all delegates to make that decision
before the convention. He would like it over by then, hell everyone would like it over yesterday.

The Clintons are not going to pay any attention to Dean, and I doubt all the delegates will.

Remember the Clintons do politics according to their agenda, not anyone else's.

I think Dean is just engaging in wishful thinking out loud.


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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 07:12 PM
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10. He's the head of the party. Please understand that if he really wants it to end...
it will end.

Once the actual contests are over, he has more power then you are giving him credit for.
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splat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 07:28 PM
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15. One man can't end it without risking the destruction of the party
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 07:34 PM
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20. He's not "one man". He has been placed as the head of the party.
The only thing that will cause the "destruction of the party" is allowing this thing to go on after the primary contests are over, weakening OUR position in the GE.
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splat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 07:30 PM
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18. Honeybun, Hillary's gonna win. Obama can't close the deal
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 07:36 PM
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21. Another citizen of Never-Land
Edited on Sun Mar-30-08 07:37 PM by Wolsh
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 07:40 PM
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24. Hillary cannot win the GE against McCain, especially after her sniper lie....
Not only will Republicans recoil from her in horror, there are now many Democrats who would vote for Satan before they'd vote for Hillary Clinton.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5280301&mesg_id=5281280
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:12 PM
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32. Oh, please...there is stuff coming out tomorrow on more problems for Obama..
Wright was just the tip of the iceberg. His Chicago connections and the underworld are just starting to surface. Why do you think the calls for Hillary to get out of the race.He wants to be the nominee before all Hell breaks loose on him.

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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 07:14 PM
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12. I don't know -
Edited on Sun Mar-30-08 07:14 PM by cliffordu
I heard that all the tickets for the convention sold out.

I'll sell her my extra ones but I won't sit next to Bill or Chelsea

:headbang:
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 06:50 PM
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4. Obama's "perception of electability" is skewed by the fact that
there are two Dems in the race. As an Obama supporter, I feel that either Dem can beat McCain, once they focus on that alone. Obama will be the Dem Candidate, and will kick McCain's ass BIG TIME!!
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 06:56 PM
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6. During the primary, the electability of both candidates is under consideration
The author of the article is concerned that Obama has to "drag himself to fundraisers" even though he has $30M in the bank. Oooh, I'm very concerned about that! not.

The author is concerned that "Obama absolutely must keep his loss in Pennsylvania less than twenty points". So is it a good thing Clinton leads by 10 points now (3/25 Ras poll) and the trend is in Obama's direction.

"While Barack Obama has acquired baggage, Hillary Clinton has finally got a narrative" - man what a tiresome piece of tripe.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 07:11 PM
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9. Yeah the narrative is back to "The Clintons are liars."
Edited on Sun Mar-30-08 07:11 PM by anonymous171
Ah the 90's. Such nostalgia...
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 07:13 PM
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11. Living near Denver has it's benefits. Can't wait!
:woohoo:

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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 07:18 PM
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13. I am getting excited about the process and the convention
This is going to be like the ones 30 years ago!
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 07:21 PM
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14. You think we'll need riot gear?
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splat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 07:29 PM
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16. If these yahoos redo '68, McCain wins
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 07:33 PM
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19. I don't know, but I am glad to watch it on TV
like I have since the 68 convention, I wouldn't want to be there.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 07:38 PM
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23. Hell fucking yeah.
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kmsarvis Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 07:30 PM
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17. I WISH I KNEW WHAT POLL........
HAS CLINTON WITHIN 1 POINT IN NORTH CAROLINA ? I LIVE IN N.C. AND ALL THE POLLS I SEE AROUND HERE STILL SHOW OBAMA WITH A HEALTHY LEAD. HE ALSO MUST STILL HAVE A HEALTHY LEAD IN INDIANA BECAUSE THE
WRITER DID'NT EVEN MENTION THE POLLS IN THAT STATE.
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kmsarvis Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 07:43 PM
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27. I JUST DID A LITTLE INVESTIGATING TO.......
Edited on Sun Mar-30-08 07:43 PM by kmsarvis
FIND OUT WHAT THE MOST RECENT N.C. POLLS AND HERE THEY ARE

Polling Data
Poll Date Sample Obama Clinton Spread
RCP Average 03/06 - 03/26 - 50.0 37.3 Obama +12.7
InsiderAdvantage 03/26 - 03/26 406 LV 49 34 Obama +15.0
PPP (D) 03/24 - 03/24 673 LV 55 34 Obama +21.0
PPP (D) 03/17 - 03/17 521 LV 44 43 Obama +1.0
SurveyUSA 03/08 - 03/10 713 LV 49 41 Obama +8.0

THE POLL THAT SHOWS CLINTON WITHIN 1 POINT WAS TAKEN 3-17, THE MONDAY BEFORE HIS SPEECH.

THAT SAME POLL SHOWS OBAMA WITH A 21 POINT LEAD A WEEK LATER.

YOU HAVE BEEN BAMBOOZLED BY SPIN!!!!!!!
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:21 AM
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33. It is about the strategy of the campaign not about the poll or the date of it
This is why she will not drop out of the race, why she will take it to the Super Delegates and the convention.

The only polls that count are done in the voting booth. We have all seen the errors of the others.
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 07:45 PM
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28. It was the PPP poll of 3/17/08
Edited on Sun Mar-30-08 07:46 PM by ekwhite
They had Obama 44 / Clinton 43. The following week, they had Obama 55 / Clinton 34. Here is the link.


Note: Edited to correct poll numbers.
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kmsarvis Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:02 PM
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29. THE DAY BEFORE THE SPEECH
HOW FUCKING OLD IS THIS ARTICLE?
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 07:38 PM
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22. Main thing SDs need to be concerned with is this: Hillary Clinton cannot win GE!...
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 07:40 PM
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25. Electablility, right ask Dodd, Biden, Edwards, Richardson and any
Clinton supporter than can count -

next question


Can he raise money?



anyone?
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 07:40 PM
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26. Obama is ahead in all catagories and he STILL has to prove himself!?
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:05 PM
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30. Raising money is bad but being millions in the red is good? In debt = electibility??
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