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fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:12 PM
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Klobuchar To Endorse Obama
Sen. Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota is expected to endorse Sen. Obama Monday, according to a Democrat familiar with her plans. Meanwhile, North Carolina's seven Democratic House members are poised to endorse Sen. Obama as a group -- just one has so far -- before that state's May 6 primary, several Democrats say.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/186426.php">link
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:13 PM
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1. Wow. 7 Supers? Go Obama!!!
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:14 PM
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2. That would be excellent. And it would be best to wait until after PA
so they can get as much media coverage for their buck as possible.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:23 PM
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15. I don't think the NC House members are necessarily superdelegates.
Edited on Sun Mar-30-08 09:37 PM by Pirate Smile
Does it say they are somewhere?

Edit to add - it looks like I was wrong - they are supers. Yeah!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:28 PM
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24. I think that these are US Congressional House members from SC.....
although I could be wrong.....but it sounds like the are SDs.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:35 PM
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33. OK - I reread it and I think it sounds like you are right. We'll see. I certainly hope so.
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PM7nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:35 PM
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32. They are US Represenatives
NC has 7 Democrats in the House. So yes, they are superdelegates! Woohoo! GOBAMA!
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:53 PM
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46. see reply down below TPM memo misquotes original WSJ
"some" not necessarily all NC congressman
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:15 PM
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3. Good -- though I'm just a bit surprised.
She's always been a bit too middle of the road for my taste, so I thought maybe she'd go HRC. On the other hand, MN went for Obama by a huge margin in the caucuses (yes, it's a caucus state, so I suppose it shouldn't count at all), so Amy might have been in a bit of hot water if she'd gone the other way as a SD.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:17 PM
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5. Maybe she just finds him to be a better candidate, with a better chance of winning....
and this is Paul Wellstone territory....so it makes perfect sense!
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:21 PM
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13. Very possibly...
but Klobuchar has been a big disappointment to many of us progressive Minnesotans, since she has often caved in on a lot of things she shouldn't have caved in on, tending instead to do the DLC thing and appease the Republicans. I don't have much faith any more that she will do the right thing so I am pleasantly surprised that she did this time.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:42 PM
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42. Like Casey I think a lot of folks are going to be moving simply on the basis that they
can count and add lol
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:20 PM
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8. She's my Senator and I'm surprised too.
Edited on Sun Mar-30-08 09:22 PM by myrna minx
But I agree with your thoughts. She's been getting hammered by her constituents for her milquetoast voting record, so if she went against her constituents with her super delegate vote, there would be, um, more unpleasant voicemail and emails to contend with.

D'oh..on edit, I realized that you're a MInnesotan too. :blush:
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:28 PM
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25. Heh. Some of those, um, unpleasant e-mails have been from me.
Not that they made any difference.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:33 PM
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29. No kidding. She's been a disappointment. n/t
Edited on Sun Mar-30-08 09:41 PM by myrna minx
Edit: I think I'm just mashing my hands on the keyboard tonight. :silly: I can't type at all tonight.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:21 PM
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12. How long have there been Caucuses
in primaries before hilary clinton came along and there was never any dissing the system? hilary and her machiavellian ringmasters can take a flying fuck at all those doughnuts.

Amy may be "middle of the road" but she's not stupid. Why would you ever come out and back a loser when your state has already backed the winner? :)
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:31 PM
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28. Here's a little blurb about the MN caucus
http://www.wahpetondailynews.com/articles/2008/02/04/news/news04.txt

The first caucus I participated in was in 2004.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:37 PM
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35. Long history..thanks, myrna minx
"In terms of general caucuses, the term was reportedly first attested in the diary of John Adams in 1763. According to a Web site by Middlebury College, Vermont, the term was used to describe a small group of people who were interested in political matters. A book called the "History of the Independence of the United States of America, 1788," by William Gordon said the establishment of caucus political clubs dates back 50 years earlier than when the book as written, as early as 1724."

Come a long way, baby!





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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:15 PM
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4. Awesome. Gobama. nt
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:19 PM
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6. Is that 7 supers on Monday?
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:24 PM
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17. Klobuchar Monday
The seven SDs from NC at some point before the primary.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:02 PM
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48. read reply down thread TPM misquoted article
some - not all - seems a little weak
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:19 PM
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7. Klobuchar Is A Republican Who's Afraid Of Powerful Women
(I miss the good old days when *I* was "a Republican who who's afraid of powerful women". Now I'm just a fool who's joined a cult that worships a crooked liar spewing false hope.)
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:25 PM
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18. What?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:38 PM
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37. Manny, you sarcastic SOB, you! nt
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:20 PM
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9. Yes!!!
:toast:
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:20 PM
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10. Holy Cow!!!
That's quite the Super-Sweep!

GOBAMA!!!!
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:20 PM
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11. Yet another person who doesn't matter to Clinton. Pretty soon there won't be a country...
... for Clinton to govern.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:38 PM
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38. LOL! nt
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:23 PM
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14. Even more fascinating as I scrolled down on TPM...
... something one of Josh's readers sent him:

Many Clinton supporters find the current attempts to muscle her out of the race despicable. Maybe now is the time for Obama to take one for the team and accept her offer of the VP slot. It is the position he is better qualified for, would end a situation that is supposedly hurting the party, and would put him in a better position to run next time. Clinton has no “next time,” so it makes more sense for Obama to be the one to step aside.

If the convention is held too late in the election cycle for the presidential nominee to campaign effectively, perhaps the date of the convention needs to be changed. The solution cannot be for viable candidates to set aside their ambitions long before a nominee has been clearly chosen.


Ummmm... :wtf:
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:26 PM
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19. imagine that...
I really can't. Obama would have to be in kevlar 24/7
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:30 PM
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27. You didn't read the post properly
The person was saying that Obama should have accepted Hillary's offer to be her VP. Unbelievable.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:35 PM
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34. I mean, isn't that notion just the height of hubris?
I truly do not begin to understant anyone who would suggest something so ludicrous as forcing the clear leader of the race into the Veep position!
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:03 PM
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49. It's more convenient for her timetable.
I can pencil you in for 2016.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:21 PM
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52. that's a psychotic break!
I had to re-read it like three times. :wtf:
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JayFredMuggs Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:27 PM
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21. Let's change MORE RULES so that Hillary can win!
It's the Clintonian way!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:29 PM
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26. hilary's going to have to start
mocking her own supporters for blind obedience and stark willful ignorance.
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4themind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:37 PM
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36. Go to the back of the proverbian campaign bus?
or get thrown under it? He just can't win with some people, perhaps.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:40 PM
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41. Oh, those crazy supporters, trying to move the goal posts again!
:rofl: In this case, Obama's goal posts. :wtf:
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:45 PM
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43. I KNOW!!!!
I couldn't freaking believe it!!!

:wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:
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DUyellow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:00 AM
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55. are you kidding me? What crap.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:24 PM
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16. before the May 6th primary...
that's a ways away. But I'll take Kobubcuhar of Minnesota :bounce:
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:26 PM
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20. Klobuchar is an SD, and there are 6 uncommitted NC Senators listed
at the demconwatch blog:

Rep. Bob Etheridge (NC)
Rep. Mike McIntyre (NC)
Rep. Brad Miller (NC)
Rep. David Price (NC)
Rep. Heath Shuler (NC)
Rep. Mel Watt (NC)

I don't know anything about these people--any ideas or opinions? Are these the ones in question?
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:56 PM
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47. I don't get why Mel Watt is "undecided"....perhaps
it's time I gave his office a call? Mel has to know that his district will go overwhelmingly for Obama, I don't get his hesitation.
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:36 PM
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53. I don't know, but maybe they were waiting until closer to their primary?
If they're all really going to come out at once (we'll see), that would really be a strong statement. But we've read those kinds of rumors before, so I'm not going to get my hopes up. But I'll be dancing if it does happen!! :)
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:27 PM
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22. I said these would be rolled out day by almost day
I expect even more as days go by.


Just wait till PA when Obama wins or comes close enough
to dispel any chance of a Hillary momentum. Then the big
names will endorse once a week
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:27 PM
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23. this will put him ahead in SD Senators, Reps, and Governors
http://www.politico.com/superdelegates/

Hillary's SD lead is due to DNC
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:34 PM
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30. Yay! Keep 'em coming! GOBAMA! nt
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stratomagi Donating Member (811 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:35 PM
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31. Sweet
Great endorsement!
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:39 PM
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39. We now return to our regularly scheduled stampede
of Super Ds for Obama.

:woohoo:
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4themind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:39 PM
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40. What are the overall super del count in the senate?
Sure, ambitions/rivalries can color things, but the coleagues thoughts of the respective candidates may still hold weight for many
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:46 PM
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44. Senate Obama 16 Clinton 13 none 9
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4themind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:09 PM
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51. thanks
:hi:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:50 PM
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45. more from the WSJ piece that it was based on
The original article states that some - not necessarily all of the NC House delegation will endorse


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120692054573175525.html?mod=hps_us_whats_news (may need to sign up)

New Backing for Obama
As Party Seeks Unity
By JACKIE CALMES
March 31, 2008

WASHINGTON -- Slowly but steadily, a string of Democratic Party figures is taking Barack Obama's side in the presidential nominating race and raising the pressure on Hillary Clinton to give up.

Sen. Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota is expected to endorse Sen. Obama Monday, according to a Democrat familiar with her plans. Meanwhile, North Carolina's seven Democratic House members are poised to endorse Sen. Obama as a group -- just one has so far -- before that state's May 6 primary, several Democrats say.

"Having run for president myself, nobody tells you when to get in, and nobody tells you when to get out," Mr. Dean said. "That's about the most personal decision you can make after all the time and effort you put into it."

New York Sen. Clinton still hopes that by turning in strong performances in the final primaries, she can blunt the momentum of her rival from Illinois and make the case that she is best-positioned to take on Sen. McCain. With Mr. Dean, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, former Vice President Al Gore and other party leaders remaining neutral, the question is whether the trend of party figures endorsing Sen. Obama will build enough momentum to tip the race.

The expected move by Minnesota's Sen. Klobuchar follows Friday's endorsement of Sen. Obama by Sen. Bob Casey of Pennsylvania, which holds its primary April 22.

Both senators had planned to remain neutral, according to party officials, but decided to weigh in as the Democrats' campaign became more negative and Sen. McCain was free to exploit the confusion looking to the November election.

One North Carolinian confirmed that at least several of the state's House members would go public in favor of Sen. Obama before long. Meanwhile, elected officials in other states with upcoming contests, including Indiana, Montana and Oregon, are weighing whether to endorse Sen. Obama


Since the "Super Tuesday" primaries on Feb. 5, Sen. Obama has won commitments from 64 superdelegates and Sen. Clinton has gotten nine. Sen. Obama has a total of 217 superdelegates in his camp while Sen. Clinton has 250, and her margin has been shrinking with each week. Sen. Clinton would have several more in her tally, but they're from Michigan, and delegates from Michigan and Florida won't be seated -- at least for now -- because both states defied party rules and held their primaries earlier than permitted

In interviews, some House Democrats said Sen. Obama has the edge in the chamber. They noted that he has proved himself the stronger fund-raiser and has attracted more new voters to the party than anyone in recent memory -- both advantages that could benefit other Democrats. They worry that Sen. Clinton's high negative ratings in polls would incite more Republicans to mobilize against her and the Democratic ticket
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:39 PM
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54. The article says seven in the second paragraph and then a confirmation of at least several
below. Kind of confusing. But sounds good, either way!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:07 PM
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50. Very cool! n/t
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