Hillary supporters - When will you finally let go of her?

[Hawkeye-X]

Just wondering. It seems that even as we speak, Hillary is still waging a expensive and losing campaign (she is deep in the red as indicated by other threads) - just wondering when will you finally let go of supporting Hillary and come and support Obama?

Not that I'm asking you to sign loyalty pledges or anything, just wanted to know when you will let go.

Hawkeye-X

[mcctatas]

1. Never?

it is hard to let go of a lost cause...

[meow mix]

2. never. shes permanently running until america succumbs.

i guess?
:shrug:

[joshcryer]

3. When she loses?

Until then I will combat the irrationality of this forum.

[donheld]

4. You will combat the irrationality

with your own irrationality.

[joshcryer]

49. What irrationality?

Please feel free to let me know.

[TheWraith]

83. Well, by any reasonable measure she's already lost.

She simply cannot even draw even on pledged delegates even with a miracle, and the superdelegates are breaking 6-1 for Obama.

[dorktv]

5. this makes me think of the Borg Collective.

Leave the Senator Clinton supporters alone, they have the right to support her as long as they want to.

[EFerrari]

10. Clinton supporters have the option of not responding to this OP.

Remember?

[dchill]

32. But will they ever be able...

to dis-assimilate?
:shrug:

[Life Long Dem]

6. No Comment

Barack Obama at Penn State. March 30, 2008. The crowd as a whole was estimated at 20,000.



http://flickr.com/photos/benhenderson/2375130540/sizes/l/

[TK421]

11. The borg in that crowd dress more fashionably than they do in TNG

more color, and more animated ( very...VERY slightly ) but all the same

[napoleon_in_rags]

7. How can I make a youtube video

with just pictures and a song? I so want to remake the video for this one: (in response to you)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARFvSScYA4I
:)

[The_Casual_Observer]

8. We'll all hang on, if for no other reason but to piss you off

Make you lose sleep & otherwise be miserable all the time.

[grantcart]

69. well as long as you have a good reason I am fine with it lol

[TK421]

9. Well...with that post, you really ARE asking to sign a loyalty pledge

Hillary is still waging a expensive and losing campaign (she is deep in the red as indicated by other threads) - just wondering when will you finally let go of supporting Hillary and come and support Obama?

What kind of response do you expect here? ( Cue, Obamites )

[Hawkeye-X]

13. No I'm not..

I'm just asking when a Hillary supporter decide to let go.

After PA? After NC? Before PA? Before June? Before August?

[TK421]

18. The nomination seems tied up for you guys...why the worry for PA or NC

Why? There is much talk about this nowadays......if it's wrapped up, it's wrapped up, that is all.

No threads required...

[truedelphi]

84. Don't you think there's a real chance that they will simply

Set up an alternate reality and have Hillary running it!

[proud2BlibKansan]

12. It will probably take sniper fire to disengage them

[EFerrari]

14. I wish she would just declare victory and withdraw.

lol

[FogerRox]

16. Quick, run for the Jeeps.... incoming

[JuniperLea]

68. This is helpful how?

:eyes:

[FogerRox]

15. 5 stages of grieving

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5318628&mesg_id=5318628

[MADem]

17. What are you so afraid of? Why are you so obsessed? Surely, your candidate is all set.

All I see here is that he is inevitable....so what's with this constant carping? It's almost fearful, it's so frequent.

Your candidate has told you to stop this shit, yet you persist with it. She has the right to run, yet you want to deny her that right by picking away at her supporters with childish snark.

Heckuvajob there, Brownie. What are you, a McCain Recruiter? You're sure acting like one, because you aren't following the direction your candidate offered, or the so-called HOPE/CHANGE spirit of his campaign.

Did Rove give you guys the short course, or did you come up with this shitstink all by yourself?

[Asgaya Dihi]

22. We're worried about another repub President

and the name calling and assumptions in your post is a good part of why, not just there but across the political spectrum right now. Where did Rove, Brownie, and the rest of that come into what strikes me as a reasonable question? That question being at what point, if any, would you consider it time to call the race.

A couple of months ago most supporters of either side would have said they'd vote for the nominee no matter what, now large numbers on both sides say they won't. It seems to me that some are so caught up in the idea of another Clinton Presidency that they'd rather see a Republican elected if she's not the one. At this point Michigan is out, ruled unconstitutional so it's not going to be used. Might have the votes split or otherwise assigned but that election with Obama not even on the ballot isn't going to fly. Florida might be used as is but that's doubtful too. The chances of her pulling it out are slimmer all the time and we're looking at going against a popular repub who has the press snowballed with little time to shake that image if we go to convention, and we'll enter that fight divided and with little time for damage control from the campaign.

What are we afraid of? For me it's mostly another Republican President, but increasingly I'm seeing the more extreme Clinton supporters as nearly as great a threat. Not because they don't have a right to run but because they don't seem to care about what damage they cause in the process or who they enable.

[MADem]

23. Well, keep up the vicious carping and your worst fear will be realized.

Let the contest go forth, and everyone will accept the results.

Cut it short, and you'll lose probably half of the voters who felt "ripped off" by the truncation. Funny, I see the "extreme Obama supporters" who want to stop people in PA and IN from voting as the real danger to democracy, here.

Your candidate won't keep her voters just because they are registered Democrats, by cutting her throat now.

And your candidate can't win without them.

So you might just want to chill out and LISTEN to your candidate--and do what he says. If he really IS your candidate, that is.

[Asgaya Dihi]

25. Actually, only by default.

I've been very open about this since the first post I made on the subject, I didn't much like either of them. Either would be better than another repub though so when a clear leader emerged and the race got damaging enough to increase the chances of another repub President that was the point where I picked between them. The one who had the clear lead and who wasn't trying to change the rules for that lead. So he's not exactly "my candidate" and even if he were I'm not much of a follower, nor the fan club type. I might take it under advisement but never as an order.

Yes, a number of voters will feel ripped off, but I'd blame that evenly between the Clinton campaign and the media... in spite of the legend that they are against her they are the only thing that's kept the illusion of a horserace alive, it was good for their ratings and incidentally good for Clinton. Maybe she could solve that be offering her supporters an honest assessment of where she stands, and why.

I don't want it "cut short", I want it dealt with as if we're in the same party and would like to see a dem rather than a repub in office. I posted just a moment ago why I came in, it was because of the WAY the race is being run. If it stayed clean she could have stayed in for that 50-100 years McCain talks about for all I care, hung out in the Rose Garden like a gnome or something. If that means a repub President though, no.

I don't see how any honest look at the current situation leaves us with anything but both of ours hurting and them the winner so far. That's not satisfactory to me and if you can't see why I'd really hope you can find some perspective soon, because this is just enabling McCain.

Later.

[MADem]

26. If everyone votes, and one candidate emerges with 2024, the game is done.

If the fight is fair, and that's how it plays out, the party WILL unite.

Otherwise, telling anyone to "make way" for the Anointed Messiah, without letting the process play out, only ensures that McCain gets the Presidency. All of this "ripping the party apart" bullshit is just bullshit because Obama's people sense Clinton is going to do well in PA, and they don't want to have to deal with that.

I just don't see any "hurt" out of campaigning, except from having to listen to the faux outrage and whines from the Obama camp. No one I have met in the street is outraged or feels torn about the contest continuing. In fact, many LIKE it.

It's only here and amongst the activist blog-fools that I see all this angst and drama.

[Asgaya Dihi]

27. I don't want anyone to make way

I want them to either campaign like dems or if that's not possible at this point to be mature enough to admit that they've lost perspective and are doing more harm than good. I don't much care which. I have little faith at this point that either side can back down let alone will so I doubt the first is possible, but if they can pull it off more power to them. I'm willing to be wrong.

This dem against dem crap has to end though, everyone in the race is being hurt by it except for McCain. If it can't end someone has to be the adult and look at the odds from a realistic perspective, decide if the damage being done is really worth it anymore. That's normally the one who isn't well ahead in the race, but trailing.

I've had the same complaints about the Obama camp, a bit of that starry eyed thing going, but to be fair the Clinton camp is damned aggressive and supporting some questionable arguments these days such as with the caucus results (they aren't new, she knew the rules) so overall I'd have to agree with the general consensus here a few months ago. Edwards was the nice guy in the race and it showed most strongly in his supporters. Maybe both of the two left in the race today would do well to lake his lead. The other two have both have their share of kool-aid to be honest.

My candidate doesn't exist as far as I know. He'd have the heart and instincts of Kucinich but in this shallow country an elvish looking guy with a hot wife is a punchline, not a President. I wish it was different but we're a shallow nation. He'd have the social agenda Edwards talks about with building the nation from the ground up and an urge to fix the problems caused by the drug war, and the force of personality of Obama. When I find that one, then I might join a fan club ;)

Peace.

[MADem]

30. Look, they are the candidates. They'll campaign the way they think is best.

You might be better off just turning of the TV, stepping away from the keyboard, and going for a walk. They aren't following Marquess of Queensbury rules in this contest, but who does? This will look like a frigging minuet once it is one-on-one with McCain.

It's a LONG way to the convention, and a long way until election day. There's no rush to choose a candidate, hyperbole notwithstanding. Most people are not as focused on these details as people here are.

[Asgaya Dihi]

31. I haven't turned on a TV in months

didn't bother to note the date but it's got to be nearing the 6 or 7 month point by now. Didn't watch it much before. Never had cable except for two short free trials, back in the 1980s and again a year or so ago when I got the cable modem, it doesn't come from there either. Don't assume too much about people who you don't know.

It comes from poll results, the increasing number who won't vote for the other candidate and the rise of McCain, and from having seen enough to know that hard feelings don't die fast and too many are being built up these days. Take it too far and we don't have much time to pull together or do damage control for the many soundbytes this campaign has offered, and likely will continue to offer, which will be used against us later. There's power in things said by your own that partisan attacks from the other side doesn't hold and I'm sure we'll be seeing dem on dem attacks in repub commercials, we shouldn't have offered them that and we need to stop offering them more.

You're more than welcome to believe it's not as important as I and lots of others do but there's no need to assume they've been watching too much tv or whatever just because they disagree.

[MADem]

33. Well, you have a keyboard, and you're more 'invested' than the average person.

You're here on DU, and you're impacted by what you are reading here and elsewhere. Otherwise, you wouldn't be so worried about polls and 'the increasing number who won't vote for the other candidate.'

Most people I know, registerd voters, mostly older, too, are not as angst laden, aren't following every poll, and don't see a continued contest as a problem. I live in a blue state, too.

'They' can't use anything against 'us' if 'we' don't let them. When an opposing candidate has to go back to a primary spat to make a point, the way you hit back is to ridicule the opponent because that's all he's got.

You want "unity?" Let people vote. You want disunity? Shut down one campaign before everyone gets to vote.

It's as simple as that.

[Asgaya Dihi]

36. Not so much as you might imagine.

My posting history here runs back a couple of years and it's fairly consistent. Mostly I've just tried to educate people on aspects of the drug war or other aspects of the system including racial imbalances in prison and the reasons behind them. I'm not a regular here or anywhere else, that's what I do. Educate people about the drug war and toss a bit of media consolidation or truth in media in for good measure. I don't give a damned about politics in the same sense that most of you do and I don't tend to have favorites, at least not ones that get much more electable for president than Kucinich.

So no, I'm actually less invested than the average person, I really don't give a crap about it except for the basic premise that we're probably the better bet to get social programs and reform done than the other party. The party I would have supported strongly died in 1972 or so, the DLC took over and I haven't had many choices I would have liked since. It's a choice between corporate dems and insane repubs, a hold your nose and hope next year is better deal.

For all the parties flaws though we're screwed if we get another four years of repubs and given that I'm NOT locked into this type of forum or this environment as much as you seem to be I've got a pretty good idea of what the general public I'm dealing with is saying. If we looked at Congressional approval ratings recently we'd have already known it, or had a clue. The public isn't happy with the way the dems stood up to Bush and they aren't happy now, we had a window where we could have stepped in and ruled the next generation but we're quickly leaving the public with the impression that we're as dysfunctional as the repubs and maybe McCain isn't so bad after all. That window is closing fast.

Get away from these boards and deal with the public, you'll see. They think we've lost it and doubts are growing. And it doesn't make your point any stronger to try to lay mine off to TV or spending too much time in a closed circle. You don't know me and it's just a way to make the others point seem weaker rather than to strengthen your own.

[MADem]

43. See, I do deal with the public--I drive a hundred or more people to the polls

for federal, state, and local contests. I talk to these folks. I also help them out with their grocery shopping, appointments and whatnot. I happen to like volunteering to help these folks, because they're motivated, they can use the help and they've lived some interesting lives. Plus, I'm pretty much retired, myself--keeps me busy.

They don't live on their computers (many don't even have them) and they don't weld their eyeballs to the cable news. They LIVE. And they like a continued contest. They want everyone to vote.

So you see, MY experience with the public tells me the opposite of what you're saying--"they" do NOT "think we've lost it and doubts are growing." In fact "they" think it's one helluva contest and they're enjoying the back-n-forth. They DO give a crap about the election, and they strongly support their candidates, too. But they don't want to shut the thing down and hand it off to stop the discussion--they LIKE that part of it.

So....whatever. My reality and my experience differ substantially from yours. And my circle is hardly closed, either--I'm dealing with people from all walks of life, you see, from caregivers to service providers to retail types to geezers who don't take any crap. And we all like to shoot the breeze.

[Asgaya Dihi]

48. That's fine, admirable, and also local

I don't doubt that you deal with people and I've no great urge to discredit that, if you do what you say you do that's cool. But it's also more local or political. I doubt that the local feeling in Utah is the same as Texas, or Maryland, or any other locality. We're running a national race and local perceptions won't give us the slightest clue what national trends are in too many cases. I fail to see the advantage over the reasons for mine so we're just entering into a contest about who can best discredit the others experience. It's not the campaign I want, nor the debate I want.

I don't want to get into a contest with you, you're more than entitled to your opinion and I don't want to try to discredit it with jabs about TV or spending too much time in an echo chamber, I wish you didn't either. We should probably leave it at we just differ and not need to cut the other for that difference. That's one thing that always disturbed me about the Clinton campaign, the aggression in both the campaign and in the fans. That seems to be what's bothering many super delegates who have defected or declared recently too and that's the type of thing I'm hoping we can end in this campaign. I want to see who has the strongest argument for themselves, not who can better cut the other. I really wish she'd run as the smart candidate, she's a policy wonk and could have had a pretty good shot if she'd been nicer and more professional, ran as someone you wanted to send into a troubled area to solve problems. Would have been a better campaign and have given her a better chance I'd bet.

The aggression killed her and more of what hasn't worked so far isn't going to improve it. Assuming she does still have some small chance the tone needs to change and the super delegate drip toward her opponant is the best reason why, they don't like it and they were her only hope. Tell us why should we want her, not how can she tear down the other one. It's the campaign we should have had all along.

And I'll leave the thread at this I'd think, I can't think of a thing more to add and getting into a contest with you isn't going to solve it. That's where we'll end up I'd bet if we go much farther ;)

[MADem]

50. Whatever. You believe that my blue state is unrepresentative of the Democratic Party if that

is what you want to do. I simply will disagree. I'll also wager, as an aside, that the Democrats will not win TX or UT in the general.

Tip O'Neill said it: All politics is local. Run a national campaign, and you just might find that all those local yokels don't feel that the candidate is speaking for, or to, them. And they'll vote for the candidate that does fill that role.

I will say, though, that your camp seems to mistake simple, rational and calm disagreement for "aggression." An unhelpful and untrue label, that. Dissent isn't tolerated, apparently, but dissent is not aggression. And everything you say about Clinton's supporters can easily be flipped to describe her opponent's supporters. Especially here, where the community is heavily skewed to BO acolytes.

It does make these discussions a bit of a time waster. Oh well. This, too, shall pass.


:hi:

[Asgaya Dihi]

51. *sigh* Ok, one more post

No, disagreement is not aggression, your "camp" has a nasty way with that too. Trying to turn an objection to a tactic into a "you can't talk at all" point.

It's hardly major but it is an aggressive debate tactic to insist on discrediting the other side rather than to strengthen your own, write them off as brainwashed by TV or too emotional in this case rather than deal with the point, and to me at least it's also a turnoff. Makes me think they've got nothing better to stand on and reminds me too much of the last few years... tear them down if they disagree. We've seen too much of it and the fact that we're seeing it in the campaign has a lot to do with why it's in the shape it's in now. In the general it might have worked, for the repubs it might have worked, but we don't as a general rule respond well to it as dems. Not for long at least and the results of it are showing.

[MADem]

53. I'm not interested in discrediting. I have less objection to Obama than to his

supporters, frankly. All I'm doing is reporting from the field, here.

I'm not one of those who will take my ball and go home. I'll vote for the Dem, unless it's Lyndon LaRouche. Then, I'll write in Al Gore.

As for the party, it will survive. We aren't organized, we're Democrats.

And brokered conventions brought us "disasters" like Lincoln, FDR, and Truman, so I'm not even worried about that possibility.

Let the process play out. There's nothing to fear but fear, itself.

[LiberalAndProud]

34. This Dem against Dem crap has got to stop.

Absolutely. I'd be more than willing to put a moratorium on the other-candidate bashing that goes on here.

edit: dyslexic fingers

[LiberalAndProud]

38. My candidate would beat your candidate because

she would be everything your guy up there is.

chuckle

[Asgaya Dihi]

39. I hope we both find them soon then

It's been a damned long time since we had many like that, and you're right. She would do fine too ;)

[latisha]

45. Sorry, I disagree

There are many Hillary supporters, myself included, who, should she not get the nomination, would sit the election out first before we vote for Obama. Either we don't see what he has or we see too clearly what he hasn't. And to be honest, I'd rather see a rep in office than to put my country into the hands of a neophyte.

[JTFrog]

55. "And to be honest, I'd rather see a rep in office"

[Beacool]

73. Hear, hear!!!!

Neophyte is precisely the word that best describes him.

[cboy4]

35. Nice!

:applause: :thumbsup:

[Hawkeye-X]

80. I don't mind as long as Obama doesn't mind.

I'm OK with Hillary staying in and damaging herself. But she *MUST* not damage Obama - or the point of having her in will be more than meaningless.

Hawkeye-X

[Maven]

81. ...

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[kennetha]

19. After she steps down from her second term as President

That would be Jan 20, 2017, I think.

[BlueStater]

20. Never.

I support neither candidate. I'll vote for Obama but I'll NEVER support him.

[latisha]

41. Then why bother to vote at all?

If you're not going to support Obama why bother to vote? I'm not voting for Obama but if he's the nom I'll vote for McCain or I just won't vote.

[doyourealize1]

21. this entire election season is too expensive

Seeing candidates poor billions of dollars into a political campaign does not settle well with my stomach.

That said I will support Hillary til she concedes. She should soon because she probably will not win. In the end I will Obama if he is the nominee.

I consider "let it go" flamebait.

[drmom]

24. I've almost let go of the democratic party as a whole...

...all this bickering has caused me to realize that it's not about helping the underserved. It really is each person for themselves, just as the republicans have always said. My best financial interests are better served with republicans in charge, so I will likely vote for McCain in November.

[IndependentDem]

28. seriously?

can you explain to me how McCain is better than Clinton or Obama? thanks.

[cboy4]

37. No you won't....At least I hope you're not serious.

At the very least, don't vote for Hillary or Obama.

I know you don't want 100 more years in Iraq.

[cleveramerican]

47. Your financial interests? are you shitting me?

14 million an hour pissed down a hole in Iraq?Day in and day out 24 hours a day until forever.
Enough has already been spent to fund social security until 2075.


I don't know you ,but can say with confidence this serves no ones financial interest.

[IndependentDem]

29. i don't think that a supporter should let go...

until it is over and their candidate is out of the race. I have said this before--- but i wish that clinton would act more like huckabee, he stuck around because it wasn't over, but he didn't try to bring down his opponent (the likely winner) either.

[latisha]

40. Until the convention

Then she can fight it out there. Personally, I will never vote for Obama. Not for anything someone else did but because I think he's just a strawman. If Hillary doesn't get the nomination I'll vote for McCain. At least he's more liberal than the rest of the conservative.

[Alexander]

57. In that case, enjoy the short rest of your stay here at DU.

[Spider Jerusalem]

42. When they pry her from their cold, dead hands, of course

[cleveramerican]

44. two days after the convention

would be my guess

[susankh4]

46. Never.

Read it and weep.

[LostinVA]

59. What is this photo from?

[PresidentObama]

63. What a bitch, and a perfect spokesperson for the Hillary Clinton campaign.

Assaulting someone with opposing views.

Classy.

[JuniperLea]

72. But calling someone a name is ok in your book?

Disgusting.

When you ride a high horse, you should be sure where it steps... jeez...

[Beacool]

74. So classy, calling an elderly lady a "bitch".

What were these people holding Obama signs at a Hillary rally? I would expect the same at an Obama rally and would hope that Hillary's supporters wouldn't go to one to disrupt it. It's called respect, or are we now as bad as the right wingers?

[DemExpat]

52. I will vote for Obama in the general election if he makes it.

Until then, no support from me.

DemEx

[Perry Logan]

54. When you lie rotting in the earth.

[Maureen1322]

56. Being a Democrat first

I a quite content to let these primaries play out. Then it's onto getting a Dem elected to the WH. It's very simple.

[knixphan]

58. Hey, we gotta love the Hillsters into the fold...

not scold 'em.

[JVS]

61. No way. We're like the marines. We'll break them down and make true Obamatrons out of them when...

we're done.

[Beacool]

75. Over your dead body!!!!!

We will NOT be assimilated by the Kool-Aid collective and their vapid leader!!!!!

[democrattotheend]

60. Come on, you went through this too 4 years ago

Don't you remember how painful it was? They'll let go when they are ready, if it comes to that (I for one do not believe Obama has the nomination locked up or even close). Threads like this don't help.

[Hawkeye-X]

82. Yes I do remember. That's why I'm backing Obama.

He does inspire change from status quo.

Hawkeye-X

[democrattotheend]

85. That's not my point

My point is, it is painful seeing a campaign you believe in go down, and the last thing we need to do is rub it in their faces.

[DemGa]

62. Will you ever get over Obama losing?

BO will lose to Hillary or get wiped out in the GE -- which would sting worse?

[MyNameGoesHere]

64. I am preparing a big glass of purple

kool-aid right now. As soon as the psychosis kicks in i will be right there chanting and supporting with all the other lemmings. Ahh sweet bliss.

[oasis]

65. After Pennslyvania Hillary will rise like the Pheonix. Bookmarking this tread for my spam file.(eom)

[backscatter712]

66. After she torpedoes Obama's and the party's chances in November and makes way for her run in 2012...

[JuniperLea]

70. Oh stop making the GOP proud fcol!

Why do we need to walk lock-step like the GOP?

[JuniperLea]

67. I don't think they should until Hillary says they should...

The Sunday pundits even agreed on this.

Calling for Hillary to end her campaign is a GOP meme and I'm really tired of seeing it repeated here.

There is no good reason for her to quit now.

This is how the primaries work; no harm is coming to the party.

"The party is being harmed" is yet another GOP meme.

Democrats need not walk lock-step... leave that to the GOP.

[Beacool]

71. Support Obama?

Ahhhh......well........how about never!!!

:eyes:

[Lucky 13]

76. I will NEVER let go. John Edwards WILL be President.

Hillary supporters will never stop supporting her in the same way, I refuse to stop supporting John Edwards! John Edwards will be the next President of the United States.

It could still happen! I'm tired of hearing how he has "no path to victory". Bullshit! I've outlined a multi-point plan to ensure a win for him by the convention:

First, we MUST push for a revote in MI and FL. We need those votes dammit! If we are to ever catch up, they must be a part of the strategy, so let's stir up a bunch of shit and try to get a revote done. Some may point out that we are breaking our own pledge to abide by the rules, but fuck them. Pledge, schmedge. If we yell "VOTER DISENFRANCHISEMENT" really super loud people are bound to cave eventually.

Now in the remaining contests, John will need to take PA, NC, IN, WV, and KY 75% of the popular vote and Guam and Puerto Rico by 90% of the popular vote. With those victories secured, he still has a 5% chance of winning! I like those odds!

AND there's always the chance that some big scandal could break that severely damages Hillary and Obama. Then John can slide right in there and look squeaky clean! We'd be doing a disservice to the people to drop out now! What if they want another option once the press completely shreds Hill and Barack?

Meanwhile, we'll work behind the scenes to get superdelegates and pledged delegates to switch their allegiance to Edwards. Once the supers see how these two candidates have been damaged beyond repair, everyone will be BEGGING for John to come back. We can pull the rug right out from underneath those two bozos!

Another important strategy is to take this to the convention NO MATTER WHAT. Even if we are down by 1000 delegates, we STILL should take this all the way to the convention. We'll instigate a big fight between the MI/FL delegates and the party and while they are busy fist-fighting in the aisles, we take the stage, claim the nomination and run. I don't want to be in Denver when the riots break out! We must think of John's safety first.

John's donors have a role to play too. I've encouraged them to send a vaguely threatening/extorting letter to Pelosi and Dean saying that unless they get on board with the Edwards train, they can kiss their DCCC and DNC money goodbye. That ought to change their defeatist attitude.

Now, sadly, the biggest obstacle to our victory is John Edwards himself. The only negative thing I will say about that man is that his foolish, misplaced, self-defeating "INTEGRITY" caused him to drop out of this race much too early. We need to find someway to overcome his misstep. I propose we release a statement saying John Edwards "misspoke" when he announced he was ending his campaign. He MEANT to say, he was he was expanding the campaign! Turning it up a notch! Look you can replay the video over and over, but trying to brand him, a fellow democrat, a liar is off limits. I told you already. He did not LIE. He misspoke. What the fuck don't you understand about that?


So that's it. That's my plan. Who's with me!!!!

[lumberjack_jeff]

77. Don't worry. God, fate destiny and providence have it under control.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5324884

[baldguy]

78. First, it was if she didn't raise the most money.

Then, if she didn't get the most votes.
Then, if she didn't get the most delegates.
Then, if she didn't win the most states.
Then, if she didn't win the most BIG states.
Then, if she didn't win Texas and Ohio states.
OK, just Ohio.

Now, she's hopeful she might be able to steal some delegates away from Obama.

[cosmicsheep]

79. Fox news is the only one fair and balanced to Clinton

So says the Gov. of the great state of Pennsylvania -

http://www.politico.com/blogs/michaelcalderone/

[Catherine Vincent]

86. Didn't I tell you to STFU a couple of week ago?

Just do it!

[Erin Elizabeth]

87. In the primaries leading up to the 2004 election,

my candidate didn't win the nomination. I was devastated. I couldn't just flip a switch and be rah-rah for Kerry. So I took some time off from politics, relaxed, thought about other things, let some time pass.

When I came back to it, I was able to support Kerry whole-heartedly.

I guess what I'm saying is I remember how it feels. It does smart. And it's hard just to wrap your mind around the idea that it might actually be over for your candidate.

[JayFredMuggs]

88. delete