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Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:56 AM
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Poll question: If Obama wins the nomination but loses to John McCain, who will you blame?
Edited on Mon Mar-31-08 12:57 AM by Herman Munster
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:59 AM
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1. The knee-jerk reaction would be Hillary
But I'm not stupid. If either Obama OR Hillary loses, it will be media bias.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:00 AM
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2. The Gays!!1!
Not really, I just wanted to beat the crowd.
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wundermaus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:02 AM
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3. I think you mean Election Fraud...
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:05 AM
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4. If I could predict such things, I wouldn't waste my powers on laying blame
I'd pick the winning lotto numbers. :evilgrin:

Hypothetical questions like this are just silly. They are your 3 to waste, hope the other 2 are of a higher caliber.

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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:14 AM
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5. Dem Party.
Won't be first time.
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bookman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:14 AM
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6. A combination of...
Media bias, voter stupidity, and yes some racism.
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DUyellow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:15 AM
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7. Dems will win!
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:16 AM
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8. democrats for not trying hard enough.
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napoleon_in_rags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:24 AM
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9. OTHER
All the assholes on both sides who said they would vote for McCain if their choice (Obama or Hillary) didn't win.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:25 AM
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10. Probably Diebold, McCain can't win otherwise.
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last_texas_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:29 AM
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11. Joe Lieberman
Just 'cause I feel like blaming him for something.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:36 AM
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12. I'd rather vision a better bridge to cross...
Why waste bandwidth with all this doom and gloom?

I prefer to believe we will be swearing in a Democratic president in January 2009 :)
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:41 AM
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13. The knee-jerk reaction would be to blame it on voter fraud.
Because as far as many people here are concerned, Democrats are undefeatable, especially their messiah.

Any race where a Democrat loses the only acceptable explanation to a lot of folks here is voter fraud.

Hell, these people don't even blush in accusing Hillary of fraud when Obama loses a state like NH.

I suppose it is a defense mechanism, but they are severely removed from reality.
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Awsi Dooger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:09 AM
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17. DU will need 10 election fraud forums
Edited on Mon Mar-31-08 02:11 AM by Awsi Dooger
If Obama loses in November.

I think he'll win a squeaker via situational advantage but that's anything but certain. The situational edge is not as decisive as in '06, when we benefited from a second term midterm and independents swarmed our way.

Bottom line, we should prevail but nominating a woman or African-American for national office is risky, even in '08, and it could be just enough to negate our situational edge, if other aspects of the campaign break against us.

That's the explanation I would favor. I'm not sure it qualifies as blame. Our two best candidates deviate from the typical profile. The upbeat tendency here is to say, "so what, you'll never succeed without risk," but those profiles are established for a reason. It's not unlike an excellent sports team that is playoff vulnerable due to weakness in one traditionally decisive area.
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splat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:54 AM
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14. If he's electable, he'll win; if he loses, he wasn't electable to start with
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:57 AM
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15. I agree. But I bet that DU will be spammed with posts looking backward...
8 months to blame Hillary.
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Awsi Dooger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:16 AM
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18. It would be a gargantuan conflict
Blame the voting machines or blame Hillary?

I'm sure the consensus would be, "Blame Hillary for making it close enough for the machines to steal it." That covers all bases.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 06:08 AM
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29. Look at how many are ready to blame her already, and it's just March.
Gee, will they blame Obama if she gets the nom and loses? Or is THAT a one-way street, too?

And what if they both end up on the ticket and lose? Who do we blame then? Bill and Chelsea and Michelle and the Reverend?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:57 AM
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16. 'weakening Obama'? Good gravy, people.
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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:29 AM
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19. Voters
If he wins because people voted for him= it's clearly people who are willing to vote for him.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:42 AM
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20. So 44% of Obama supporters are already set to blame Clinton for his loss.
Unfuckingbelievable. You demonize Clinton more than the MSM and the Republican smear machine. For somebody who'll probably lose the nomination, she sure is a powerful, magically evil person.

I feel bad for the 56% of Obama supporters who are embarrassed by folks like you.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:57 AM
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21. The usual suspects
Like the "if Obama is the nominee, I won't vote for him" crowd, same as the
"if Hillary is the nominee, I won't vote for her" crowd. I take as a given
that the Republicans will try to pull every electoral fraud in the book, and
that they will have this advantage no matter what preventive measures we come
up with. Republican electoral fraud schemes are like computer viruses. They
always come up with new ones before preventive measures are figured out, and
some serious damage is always done. But if overwhelming sentiment is not with
us this time, no matter who our nominee is, then I'm voting in the wrong country.
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AmericanUnity Donating Member (342 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 03:00 AM
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22. I"LL BLAME HILLARY - I stood by THEM, they need to stand up for DEMS and get OUT
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Mezzo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 08:36 AM
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35. I'll blame Barack Obama for not serving his full senate term to begin with, like he PROMISED. nt
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Droopy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 03:02 AM
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23. The morans who voted for McCain
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 03:02 AM
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24. The lack of fiber in the American diet.
For not shitting out the waste we've endured for the last 8 years.
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IndependentDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 03:22 AM
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25. the media along with a large portion of the general public's inability to think independently. nt
Edited on Mon Mar-31-08 03:23 AM by IndependentDem
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JayFredMuggs Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 08:34 AM
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34. amen to that!
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 03:23 AM
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26. I know this isn't news but this is an idiotic poll only useful for flamebait
try a little harder next time hun.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 03:25 AM
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27. The general election voters.
If they want another four years of Bush, let 'em have it.
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BearSquirrel2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 05:21 AM
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28. Loaded question ...
Edited on Mon Mar-31-08 05:22 AM by BearSquirrel2
Your poll should read, who is more likely to win the nomination and lose the election.

BTW, do you molest your wife on Saturday or Sunday???

:eyes:
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 06:10 AM
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30. This is what I'm talking about lack of confidence. It's scary.
If the most ardent supporters of Obama think he can lose (because of Hillary's extended campaign), then we're in trouble.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 08:31 AM
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31. Whales. I'll blame whales. They're too big and don't participate in
the nomination process.


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JayFredMuggs Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 08:34 AM
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33. Speaking of Whales
Neither does Scotland or Ireland!

LOL
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:29 AM
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42. LOL!
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 08:32 AM
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32. LOL
This is the funniest poll yet :rofl:
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WilmywoodNCparalegal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 08:36 AM
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36. Other: the voters themselves, Ralph Nader
and anyone else who thinks sitting on his/her ass on election day and not vote is a good way to protest.
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 08:40 AM
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37. I'm an Obama supporter,
and I picked "the buck stops with Obama, no excuses for not winning." The same goes for whoever gets the nomination. There will always be external factors to take into consideration, but ultimately it's about the candidate.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 08:41 AM
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38. I'll blame Herman
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 08:44 AM
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39. This Should Be An Interesting Election
McCain's biggest handicap is his age and health... If he looked like Mitt Romney and had his oratorical skills he would be a more formidable candidate...

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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 08:45 AM
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40. Herman Munster n/t.
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 08:55 AM
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41. Blame Iowa n/t
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:35 AM
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43. I will blame the voters of course
for once again going with the popular, cool, and symbol voting "O" instead of "W" this time.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:37 AM
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44. Other: Barack's disgusting Obamanoid rabble.
Edited on Mon Mar-31-08 09:38 AM by Seabiscuit
Who have alienated all who don't drink the kool aid.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:40 AM
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45. Media bias combined with media censorship
of what has been going on in the US and a clueless propagandized public. I also blame a weak congress under both parties' leadership in reference to protecting the constitution and the interests of the people. Sorry if this explanation doesn't fit the parameters of the question and answers.
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:42 AM
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46. Hillary will should be blamed for exercising the Tonya Harding option. n/t
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:44 AM
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47. All of the above, in varying proportions. (NT)
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stratomagi Donating Member (811 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:44 AM
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48. I blame the OP. nt
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:46 AM
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49. Obama's Media Maven, David Axelrod
For Swiftboating the Clintons on race.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:50 AM
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50. Voter fraud?
Surely you mean election fraud?
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:52 AM
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51. It depends on who's to blame. Duh.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 10:59 AM
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52. Oh, they'll blame the Clintons.
They will never blame themselves for shoving down our throats a candidate with razor thin experience who should have had the humility to wait until he had built up his credentials and was deserving of the presidency.

He's just another politician, the difference is that he has been elevated by his supporters and the media as something short of the second coming of the Lord. Therefore, his eventual fall from grace (as sooner or later he will fall) will be much greater than for a mere mortal.

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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 11:03 AM
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53. I would blame people who voted for McCain.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 11:08 AM
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56. You got that right...
Put the blame actually where it goes... Like all the idiots who voted for Bush....
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 11:06 AM
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54. It's always all about the dominant media meme in a GE
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 11:07 AM
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55. None of the above. My answer is STUPID AMERICAN VOTERS.
(Yes, I'm yelling.) Every election there are tens of thousands or more who vote against their own self interest. Some idiot might vote against a Democrat because Republicans want to preserve the "sanctity of marriage," but at the same time the idiot can't afford to heat his house or buy health insurance. I know one moron who is poor but votes Republican because he's worried about the "death tax." There's no way to overcome inbred stupidity.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 11:10 AM
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57. #4
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 11:53 AM
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58. Media bias, it's the reason we can't have real candidates like Kucinich or Paul (n/t)
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RememberWellstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 11:56 AM
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59. Obama cannot win the GE
No amount of hope or change or college rah rah meetings will change that fact.

He is to blame himself for not having an actual record or agenda to run on.
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