Should we start looking for a candidate to primary against Clinton's senate seat?

[Zueda]

The Clinton's have been the worst thing to happen to the Democratic party in decades.

There must be consequences for what she is doing now.

[goldcanyonaz]

1. Should we start organizing a boycott of the GE if Obama is the nominee?

[Zueda]

4. Hillary is already on that.

thus the reason for my post.

duh.

[AirmensMom]

5. Only if you want a McCain presidency. n/t

[StevieM]

81. I could live with it. If the Obama people keep up this arrogance, I don't have to vote for him (eom)

[Hutzpa]

100. You call this arrogance? Why? n/t

[Alexander]

123. It's their new word, since saying he's "uppity" will get you banned here.

[Nia Zuri]

143. You got it.. How DARE he!!!

How dare he deign to be such a fnatastic candidate. With his big rallies and fancy speeches. Who does he think he is?

[dionysus]

106. then you can truck on over back to FR tooly

[StevieM]

107. Sorry, but I never posted there. And it's sad that Obama people are trashing our party by saying

that if you're not an Obamabot then you're not a Democrat. Your the ones that are trashing the last Democratic president.

Steve

[dionysus]

109. you just said you could live with\vote for mccain... and we're bad dems?

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:v

[anonymous171]

125. I can't wait for your outrage when McCain's judges overturn Roe v Wade.

:rofl:

[Kool Kitty]

135. Kinda cutting off your nose to spite your face,

aren't ya? I support Obama, but if Hillary gets the nomination, she damn sure gets my vote. Think about it. Want to go fight in one of McCain's new wars? How do you feel about the Supreme Court? The economy? Think about it.

[Cha]

138. What's hilary have to offer?

YOu're always posting about Obama supporters like you're a broken cd but do have anything to say positive about hilary who talks outta both sides of her mouth?

[Forkboy]

139. You may be able to live with it but not the ones he'll send to die in Iraq and Iran.

[mkultra]

79. out with the old

in with the new

[JVS]

92. You don't have the guts for it.

[goldcanyonaz]

127. Uh huh...

[Hugabear]

133. Big difference

There's a huge difference in trying to find another Democrat to fill Hillary's Senate seat, and working to defeat your candidate in the GE.

Now if you want to find a Democrat to run against Obama for his Senate seat, go for it. But if you're going to sabotage our chances of winning the WH, then get the fuck off this site.

[cali]

2. I don;'t live in NY

so it's none of my business, and if you aren't a New Yorker, it's none of yours either. In any case, the election isn't for another 4 years, so this is utterly stupid.

[marshall]

18. Hillary wasn't a New Yorker either, until she decided to run

It seems to be a fair enough question.

[ronnykmarshall]

94. Neither was RFK.

Your point?

[marshall]

102. You made my point

If national figures are going to move in and run for state office, be they a Kennedy or a Clinton or Obama, it is something that concerns not just that state, but the nation.

[Zueda]

46. As long as her being a US senator affects my life then I feel it is my business.

Will I get a vote? no. But I'm entitled to do everything possible but vote.

[shadowknows69]

3. As a New Yorker....Hell yes. I voted against her in the last primary

to no avail of course.

[nxylas]

25. You're talking about Tasini?

Why do you think he didn't do better?

[Lone_Wolf]

40. The MSM barely gave him coverage

Coupled with the fact that Hillary refused to debate him.

I'm very surprised the Obama campaign didn't use that tidbit when Hillary was accusing Obama of dodging debates with her.

[nxylas]

42. She'd probably just say that he was not a serious challenger

And she'd have a point. I don't think you can compare debating an opponent who's only a few percentage points behind you in the polls to one who is barely noticable.

[Lone_Wolf]

55. Isn't one of her current talking points that voters deserve a choice?

Otherwise they'll be disenfranchised? That's the gist of her reason for staying in the race no matter how long the odds are against her isn't it? Or does that simply apply only when it is convenient for her?


Don't you think a person needs some media exposure in order to become a serious candidate? Or you don't you see the Catch-22 there?


For the record, I sincerely hope she wins the nomination and the Presidency. As a New Yorker, I'd love to see her leave NY. Despite her promises, she has done little for this state. Hopefully, my fellow NYer's will wake up one day and realize how the carpetbagging Clinton's used us.

[shadowknows69]

57. Bingo

That and Hillary brings billions of dollars of military money to NY

[DeeDeeNY]

45. I still get emails from Tassini

He is staying involved.

[ampad]

105. I wish you New Yorkers the best of luck

I say you deserve better and if you could possible find a true progressive to run against her I say go for it.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

6. Wait and see...

If Hillary comes around for the GE and supports the party, I would oppose her. If she does her best to torpedo our nominee, then she's persona non grata as far as I'm concerned.

[Bake]

121. So what you're saying is, you'd oppose her either way

Whether she supports the party in the GE, or whether she torpedos it. You'll oppose her either way.

At least you're clear on that.

Bake

[JCMach1]

7. Yeah, the Clintons single-handedly destroyed the Democratic Party

:wtf: are you smoking, cause I would like some of it...

[shadowknows69]

11. Not single handedly by any means

There are many bums that need throwing out.

[RaleighNCDUer]

78. Not single-handedly.

They've got the whole DLC behind them.

[Texas Hill Country]

80. so, is that why they were the only ones that could win in the last 30 years?

[RaleighNCDUer]

126. Because they have regularly and repeatedly undermined any

progressives who dared challenge them.

They fucked Gore over. They fuck Dean. They fucked Kerry. They fucked with the entire slate of candidates this time in their efforts to make Hillary the Chosen One. The stories about moonbat UFOs and haircuts did not originate with the republicans. Yeah, I know Kuch was never really viable - but his healthcare plan is UNLESS Hillary gets her way.

The DLC has been about concentrating all Democratic power in their hands alone - that is why we have the current war between the DLC and DNC over Florida and Michigan. The DLC set it all up to discredit Dean and his 50 state strategy because his success threatens their power block. And if we are defeated again this time out, it is because they put their own agenda ahead of the Democratic party. Just as when they sabatoged Dean in 04; and Kerry in 04; and refused to help Gore in 00. If they can't win, nobody wins.

[JCMach1]

134. If any of those statements 'They fucked Gore over. They fuck Dean. They fucked Kerry.'

were true, you would have a point.

[Cha]

141. You might try getting your smug little

head outta the sand.

[Cha]

140. hilary's a liar and I don't want her for my senator

anymore.

[Orsino]

8. If a real progressive Democrat will promise what she can't. n/t

[Evergreen Emerald]

9. "worst thing that happened to the democratic party?"

What are you talking about? You don't like children's health care? You don't like prosperity and surplus? You got a problem with peace?

What are you talking about?

[Zueda]

12. I'm talking 'party' not children.

What have they done for the PARTY?

They've proven since the 90s that they will screw the party to preserve their own interest.

...Peace???

[Evergreen Emerald]

32. You are wrong

They are not the ones who fucked up the last presidential election. The people keep doing that--by allowing the media to choose our candidate for us.

We are the ones destroying the democratic party--not the Clintons.

Clinton is a progressive, liberal Senator who would make a wonderful President and has proven herself a great Senator. I don't know what criteria you are using to define her.

[Bucky]

10. "We"?

No, you nincompoop. If your problem with the Clintons is how divisive they're acting toward the party when we need unity, then where is the logic in trying to jimmy up a grassroots movement to get rid of her when she remains quite popular in the state she represents.

You smell like personal animosity.

[Zueda]

15. Lieberman was popular in his state. n/t

[leftynyc]

20. That's why he won

Not sure of your point.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. He's Ridiculous

The same thing would happen in New York... Hillary would run as an Indy and split the left of center vote thus insuring she wins or the Rethuglican wins...

[Bucky]

31. Yeah, that business about somebody winning when I don't want them to is a bummer

I just don't see how this whole "democracy" thing can possibly work.

[Hutzpa]

62. God! you're angry,

can't you make your claim without being vile, and Hillary's supporters are
the first to point fingers at others about being aggressive, your post is
a typical example of how Hillary's supporters respond to post.

Dang!! Chile out!!

We are not the enemy....

[dogday]

13. I am not going to take a Democrat down

I think the GOP does enough of that, don't you...

[Zueda]

17. I would like to see the end of the DLC...

don't you?

[dogday]

23. Yes I would and always have felt that way...

But not at the expense of losing any seats to any GOP.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

39. Do You Realize Without The DLC And The Blue Dogs The Dems Would Have About One Hundred Hose Seats?

~

[Zueda]

44. Are you saying 100 more or only 100 total?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

47. I Found Sixty Or So House DLC Members And Forty Eight Blue Dogs

http://www.nndb.com/group/269/000093987/

http://www.house.gov/ross/BlueDogs/Member%20Page.html


Good luck without em

[Zueda]

49. I guess we got our work cut out for us...

I say we start with the head.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

52. I Would Say They Are A Product Of Their Environment Or District

Gene Taylor's Mississippi district and Heath Shuler's North Carolina district aren't going to send Pete Stark to Congress and Pete Stark's California district isn't going to send Heath Shuler and Gene Taylor to Congress...

I would prefer for everybody in the world to think exactly like me but with human nature being what it is it seems unlikely...

[Hutzpa]

64. It takes couple of net.work.ing

with the right organization, people can just pull it off, remember,

ordinary people can do extraordinary things.

[terrell9584]

68. Defeat Taylor or Shuler in a primary

and they will be replaced by Republicans, unless the person who defeats them is where they are ideologically.

[Hutzpa]

70. Its finding the right candidate

once you have him, everything else should fall into place.

Its not going to be easy because they would put up a fight

as we can see as present. First task is finding that

candidate who has the ability to usurp any Republican and

DLC challenge.

[terrell9584]

73. Taylor and Shuler are economic populists

The fact they they are socially conservative allows them to nullify the values argument and take it strictly to the bread & butter theatre, where they win pretty handily. Taylor holds Lott's old district. Devastated by Katrina. Heavily Catholic and very pro-life. Posted a very large margin in favor of keeping the Mississippi flag. The most unionized area of Mississippi, and they all love Taylor dearly. Against gun control, strongly voted in favor of the gay marriage ban (then again, so did every county in the state, all demographic sectors voted for it) A district that Bush won with 70% as Taylor won 70%

But Taylor was a vote for Pelosi when it came time to vote for Speaker. He always votes for the party organizationally, and he was an important counterpoint in Katrina to Barbour. Defeat him in a primary (not possible) with a more liberal candidate, and they will be defeated by a Republican who will not vote for a Democratic speaker and who will not vote for economic populism.

While on Mississippi, Musgrove is likely to be the Senate candidate. Musgrove is ideologically similar to Taylor. He may also actually win Lott's Senate seat. If he wins, he'll be a vote for a Democratic majority leader. He'll vote with the party on the majority of economic matters. It's the best you're gonna get out of Mississippi. Run a more ideological person against him in a primary and beat him and you'll see Wicker hold on to the seat. Just a thought

[Hutzpa]

96. Based on your analysis

it is easy to see where improvement can be made, your analysis is
based on doing business the regular way, why not change that thinking
and create a newer blueprint, this time younger and more agile voters
getting involved. Its about time these politicians start getting
vetted. No more divisive politics.


If you go with the same rhetoric of divisive politics, ofcourse
the old war horse will win every time because thats their area
of speciality. I just can't understand why we have to pander
toward center to win an election.

[terrell9584]

147. the younger voters there don't believe any different

i know because this is my culture. The whole point of politics in this country is that we forge coalitions, often consisting of people who hate each other but who can agree on certain goals. That was the whole basis of the New Deal Coalition. People who hated each other, but who could agree on all of those certain things.

[Hutzpa]

65. self delete - double post

[Hutzpa]

63. Nooooo,

you start from the ground up, the foundation remember, once the foundation is
gone there is nothing left to stand on, everything else will and should crumble.

'Thats the way the cookie crumble'


:evilgrin:

[RaleighNCDUer]

90. Good luck WITH em.

If they don't vote on our side, whose the fuck side are they on?

Every DLCer and blue dog should have a REAL Democratic challanger, if for no other reason than to force them to take a stand on Democratic platform planks. We don't need Nelsons and Liebermans in our party, if all they do is sit as placeholders for the Republicans.

[terrell9584]

48. probably a good time to point out

That Don Siegelman would be a Blue Dog if he was in Congress. He was a strong advocate of the death penalty, he supported castration for sex offenders, he recieved the NRA endorsement in his re-election bid, he pushed abortion restrictions through the legislature, and this was a man who in 2003 was saying that Dean would be a disaster because he was "too far to the left"

It's why he was targeted, they couldn't stick the liberal label to him so they used the courts instead.

There was also the memorable quote that "if God had meant for boys to wear earrings he would have made them girls". He said this while governor in response to some controversy out of Birmingham.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

54. Many Southern Democrats Are Quite Conservative

Some of the most conservative ones like Rick Perry and Richard Shelby became Republicans...

[Zueda]

58. Yeah. some are real DINOs

[Hutzpa]

67. He actually said that...

:wow: then he probably have or should have learnt his lesson while in prison,

if not, then he deserves to be sent back there. He needs weightwatchers on his

ass.

[terrell9584]

72. someone deserves to be in prison

for a statement they make to a reporter on a matter which they have no real direct control of.....right.

When Siegelman was governor, there were more schools constructed than ever before, he made a pledge to eliminate every portable in the state and he almost did it. Siegelman also declared April "Confederate Heritage Month" and raised the flag about the state capitol during the month.

In 1994, Jim Folsom lost to Fob James in what was a shock. James had only become a Republican that year, his primary opponent refused to endorse him and everyone thought that Folsom should hold out. He didn't. One of the things analysts blamed for it was the fact that the year prior, he had ordered the Confederate flag taken down from the state house. James used it during the campaign. Siegelman had a real fine line to tow.

I should point out that when he made this comment about Hoover, the state was in financial trouble, and Siegelman's poll numbers were dropping.

Siegelman was framed as part of a political hit (and possibly a personal hit) and he deserves justice, irregardless of his views on 3rd graders and earrings. Riley gets all the credit but Siegelman was the one who bit the bullet so that the state could get it's house in order, and he was rewarded with a prison cell

[MyNameGoesHere]

51. Sure because the extreme left wing of the Democratic

party is what 90% ? I have a better idea, since the "progressive" wing is such a HUGE voting base why don't you form a new party? Then maybe the 52% of those who are working class and NOT to the extreme left can actually have a grownup party. This fucking unity bullshit you and your candidate have been vomiting out of your mouths is just a smokescreen. Your goal is to break up the party and form it in your image, Non-tolerant, Non-inclusive, and more conservative than ever.

[billyoc]

60. It is my constant prayer. nt

[surfermaw]

14. Hell No...you had better be finding someone to fill the other republican seats

Obama is nothing no matter what he feels, with out both houses democrat. Don't for one minute thing the republicans are going to Cross the isle, I think your post shows just how ignorant some of you Obama people are in government, and politics, and it is as scary as George Bush. I feel sorry for him if he wins, you think all he has to do is speak and move, you are going to get a rude awakening.

[goldcanyonaz]

16. And mean, you forgot mean. Unity isn't one of their stronger suits.

[terrell9584]

19. The Clintons are the primary reason

That Arkansas has remained under Democratic control even as other Southern states have gradually abandoned the party.

[Zueda]

26. Huckabee's a Democrat?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. Last Time I Checked Arkansas Was The Only Southern State Besides WV To Have Two Democratic Senators

~

[RaleighNCDUer]

95. WV is NOT a "southern" state.

It is a border state that split from VA because it refused to be a southern state.

Has nothing to do with the point you're trying to make, but you could try to be accurate.

[terrell9584]

33. Look at who controls the legislature

Statewide offices, county courthouses. There's more to the political control of a state than who can win electoral votes. And Huckabee was a fluke. His popularity never extended down ticket. He was really skilled and really lucky. As of right now, almost all of Arkansas statewide offices remain under Democratic control and the only Republicans who have had statewide success besides Huckabee have had the last names Rockefeller and Hutchinson.

[otohara]

146. While The Rest of The Country

went red for 12 years until 06!

While I'm glad for AK, they are the primary reason we lost house, senate, white house.

[shaniqua6392]

21. So a Republican can win her Senate seat??

Bill Clinton was one of the best things for the Democratic Party. After so many years of Republicans in the White House, it was a good thing the Clinton broke through and had two terms. Before this primary season, I am not sure I ever saw such negativity against the Clinton's here on DU. All of a sudden they are public enemies. Is this what we get from supporters of Obama? What a shame.

[Independent-Voter]

35. Under Clinton, ya'll lost Congress, govenorships, state seats, etc.

Then there was that perjury thingy that held up the country for 2 years. I voted for Bill twice, but he was/is a piece of shit.

[shaniqua6392]

43. You are forgetting that she is an excellent Senator.

She receives high praise for what she has done in the past six years as a Senator. Senate Armed Services Committee. Environment and Public Works Committee. Health, Education, Labor and Pension Committee. Special Committee on Aging. We were not even discussing Bill Clinton. The op was speculating on getting rid of Hillary Clinton as our Democratic United States Senator for the State of New York. We are so going to lose this election.....There is no way this hatred and divisiveness is going to pay off. Say hello to our new President: John McCain.

[Independent-Voter]

59. Sorry chief, but that's not the same thing I'm hearing from my NY buddies.

To be blunt, they're not at all crazy about the job that Veruca the Carpetbagger has done in NY.

[Milo_Bloom]

38. It is because Clinton

paved the way for bush and many of the problems we face today.

Under Clinton we got.

Media consolodation, NAFTA, welfare "reform", trade agreement much friendly to China and were it not for Clinton and his policy towards Iraq, bush wouldn't have had as much authority to go after them, but Clinton gave them all the language they needed to convince that Iraq had stores of WMDs.

He did some good, but he also did a lot of things that have led to many of our current problems.

[leftynyc]

22. Are you a New Yorker? (eom)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. In The Highly Unlikely Scenario Where She Loses The Democratic Nomination She Could Run As An Indy

That would split the left of center vote and insurse she or the Rethuglican wins...

Also, Lieberman deliberated defied the Democratic party by outBush*ing Bush* on the Iraq War...

[RaleighNCDUer]

98. Is Hillary? nt

[davidpdx]

28. I agree with what someone else said

let the New York voters deal with her 4 years from now. If they want to get rid of her, that's their business.

[Zueda]

34. 4 years is not that far from now.

Someone needs to get started on it soon.

[LiberalAndProud]

29. I don't think that would be a good idea at all.

And I would like to invite you to stop. The days when we can snark on our Dems like this will soon be over, and thank the gods for that!

[dogday]

36. Amen Sister...

someone had to say it.....

[RaleighNCDUer]

108. Was it snarking on Dems when some of us suggested booting

Lieberman? Considering the end result - with him being a likely VP candidate for McCain?

I speak from personal experience - you can only put off cleaning house just so long before the mess overwhelms you.

[Stephanie]

37. YES. Recently I have suggested Bobby Kennedy Jr -

and John Hall. Where does Samantha Power live? I'm a New Yorker and I do believe she'd be vulnerable this time if a candidate with name recognition and fundraising ability stepped up. We need an actual Democrat representing us, not this third way chicanery.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. Robert Francis Kennedy Jr. Isn't Going To Stab Hillary In The Back After He Endorsed Her For Pres

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/video/121.aspx

And she would beat John Hall and Samantha Powers like she beat Jonathan Tasini; like a drum...

[Stephanie]

75. Tasini got 20% of the vote with 5% of the funds & name recognition she had

So don't be so sure. NY is disenchanted with HRC. She has been a great disappointment.

[JVS]

93. RFK Jr. wants papa's seat. In this election cycle the best way to get it vacant is backing HRC.

In 2012 he might not be so patient and cooperative.

[flvegan]

82. I heard that RFK, Jr was looking at a possible CT seat run.

IF Hillary didn't get the nom. If she had to vacate her seat, he'd then consider a run for it.

That's the last thing I read about it. Glad to see him showing this much interest now.

[crankychatter]

50. How will her seat be filled if she wins in November?

just a technical question. I honestly don't know.

I think that would be the only upside of Clinton in the White House.

New York could find an actual Democrat to fill her seat.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

56. How Can Somebody With A 95% Americans For Democratic Action Voting Record Not Be A Democrat?

Ergo:

http://www.adaction.org/2006.pdf

[JVS]

101. I think governors appoint a senator for the remainder of the term. So whoever replaced Spitzer...

could name someone.

[Jim Lane]

131. Correct, her replacement would be appointed by Gov. Paterson

Before Spitzer's resignation, Paterson himself was widely considered a frontrunner for the Senate appointment if it materialized.

Now, RFK Jr. is, as some have mentioned, a plausible candidate, but so are several other people. Possibilities include Attorney General Andrew Cuomo (another political scion, one who's actually won an election) and various Congressmembers from around the state.

[Onlooker]

53. At this point Obama supporters are doing more harm than Clinton

While I support Obama, the utter ignorance of many of his supporters is embarrassing. So many of them are incapable of seeing that he is playing the exact same game as Clinton: using the race card, exaggerating his resume, lying about the Kennedy's role in his father's life, hiding his papers and his connections, inserting religion, and he's part of a powerful Illinois political machine. This naivety is making Obama supporters think that Clinton is some sort of corrupt devil while Obama is pure as the driven snow, and his supporters are starting to seriously alienate the millions of people who support Hillary. If Obama does not find a way to reign in his supporters, he will lose the general election because of apathy and bitterness on the part of many of those who support Hillary.

Even the idea of talking about going after Clinton's seat now is a sure way to further alienate Democrats who have reservations about Obama. Do you want to lose New York State? Continue with naive posts and unncessary attacks on Clinton and, in turn, her many supporters. Wake up to the FACT that Clinton has nearly as much support as Obama, and Obama needs that support to beat McCain.

[terrell9584]

61. No one has the ad on the internet

but prior to the MS primary, the Obama campaign had a radio ad running, which criticized some of the things Hillary said. Fair enough. Problem is, when he said "I am Barack Obama, I approved this message", he didn't use the same voice that he uses in speeches, he used a deliberate Southern black accent. It's his right to do so, and a good campaign trick, wish someone would call him on it though.

And "fairy tale" was not a war reference. I'm supporting Clinton, but I'm surprised they let that one slide. I have lived in the South my whole life, I know code when I hear it and "fairy tale" was a code word, everyone had it right the first time. The "fairy tale" referring to Obama's candidacy in general. I was shocked that they did end up letting the "opposition to the war" explanation stand

Other words that are code and you would never realize it: Responsible, Inexperienced, Shares Our Values. These are all code words white candidates use against black candidates. Phrases that blacks use include: Not for us, stands up for the community, etc etc. You would have to have grown up with it to know when it's played, but both sides have been playing it.

[saltpoint]

66. New Yorkers will get to see how committed Sen. Clinton is to constituent

service if she is not the presidential nominee.

I could see a challenge to her if she decides to stay on, certainly.

I think of that as a Kennedy seat and a Kennedy is available to fill it.

[Tesha]

69. Yup. (NT)

[karynnj]

71. No - she was jst elected in 2006 and is not up until 2012

Assuming that she doesn't get the nomination and win the Presidency, which is unlikely, there will still be 4 years of her term left. It would be a good idea to how she uses that time. If, as I would guess, she votes as a Democrat and works on good legislation, it would be crazy to oppose her due to anger over what she did 4 1/2 years before. I suspect that President Obama would even fundraise and campaign for her if needed.

This kind of post is counter productive - we will need all parts of the Democratic party out there, fighting for the Democratic nominee - wholeheartedly.

[Infinite Hope]

74. PLEASE DO! I'm tired of her. n/t

[Pisces]

76. YES WE SHOULD!!

[redqueen]

77. This belongs in the NY forum, I'd think.

[MethuenProgressive]

83. This thread violates DU rules.

"If you wish to work for the defeat of any Democratic candidate in any General Election, then you are welcome to use someone else's bandwidth on some other website."

[SoCalDem]

86. when dems run against each other..one dem is a loser and another dem is a winner

:)

[JVS]

104. We're all winners when there is strenuous competition in a primary.

Or at least that's what some here have been writing.

[Zueda]

89. I'm saying replace one Dem with a better Dem in a PRIMARY. n/t

[JVS]

103. You can always plan the healthy and zesty competition of a fierce primary without violating the rule

[Mezzo]

84. yep. you should start trying to take her down now...and show what a good dem you are.

After all, BHO campaigned for Joe Liebermean, but you already knew that.

[SoCalDem]

85. Zoe Lofgren got elbowed away BY Hillary

She was ready to run, but Hillary went "out of turn" and pushed her under the bus

[rox63]

87. No -We need as many Dems as possible in the Senate

But I suspect she may not run for reelection to her Senate seat if she loses her current race. The NY Senate seat was never anything more than a stepping stone to running for President. So she actually started her presidential campaign back in 2000.

[StevieM]

88. Yeah, how dare she run against the great Barack Obama!! Obama and his people are scary

There is a fanaticism and entitlement that is almost unprecedented. Even Dole and Gingrich weren't this bad with their sense of entitlement for the GOP to the presidency.

Obama is reminding me of a latter-day Jimmy Carter. And just as there could never have been a Reagan without a Carter, perhaps there could never be a Romney without and Obama.

Maybe it would be better to take the chance that John Paul Steven can live 4 more years, and Souter and Ginsberg can wait to retire, then to let Romney appoint Anthony Kennedy's replacement. Besides, McCain will probably only look to serve one term.

Steve

[JVS]

97. It's not entitlement, it's zeal and a fighting spirit.

[JVS]

91. Absolutely. I suggest RFK Jr. He's been giving that seat the eyeball

[cascadiance]

114. My guess is that is THE reason he endorsed Clinton...

It certainly wasn't her position on strip mining vs. Obama's recently.

Perhaps talk her into running for the governorship instead. Some people are floating that idea around now as Jonathan Alter pointed out...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5310705&mesg_id=5310705

... and then get behind RFK, Jr. for the seat. I'd been hoping we could have done that with Feinstein. I think that would have made a better situation, though I think she's politically in bed with Arnold though..

[Warren DeMontague]

99. No. I think she's doing just fine as a Senator from New York.

In fact, I think it might go a long way towards party unity if she was made Senate Majority Leader to work with the Obama Administration.

Although, really, the primary question is up to the citizens of NY.

[Maven]

110. Careful, your vicious mob mentality is showing.

As a NYer, stay the hell out of our state politics. Thanks.

[Zueda]

111. You just don't get it do you?

If you can say that the liar-in-chief, as a US senator, can't affect my life then you might have a case. But you can't say that, so shut your clam hole.

[Maven]

115. You sound twisted and deranged.

Liar-in-chief? Seriously, your zealotry for Obama has completely detached you from reality. Get a grip.

And again, stay the hell out of NY politics. Fact is, she's tremendously popular here and her reputation as a dyed-in-the-wool Democrat is pretty solid (can't say the same for "post-partisan," Reagan-worshipping Obama). She's not going anywhere if Obama gets the nomination. Deal with it.

[Zueda]

142. You're right should be...

"Wannabe" Liar-in-chief. It's the clueless Cliton supporters like yourself that are detached from reality. She lost! get over it already...

Who are you to tell me to stay out of NY politics???? as soon as there is a primary challenger expect me to send all the money I can and there's not a damn thing you are going to do about it, little friend. Deal with this.

[Maven]

144. OK, send all your money, wild eyes

:eyes:

[Zueda]

145. ...

:freak:

[girl_interrupted]

112. Zueda get a grip... NY has enough problems right now

In addition to Bill Clinton, being the only democrat duly elected twice since Truman, I'd like to see one other Democrat that can do the same. Ruin the party? Are you for real? In NY we have a debt clock, it went backwards during Bill Clinton's administration, with bush, it has run out of room. So forgive me, if I like surpluses. In my heart I know neither Bill Clinton or Al Gore would have ignored Richard Clarke's pre 9/11 warnings.

As for NY politics, if you don't live here and dont have a vote, I'd appreciate it very much if you would mind your own business. As it is, between Elliot Spitzer and Dave Paterson, Democrats are going to to be lucky to hold onto the governorship. It's turned into a nightmare between those two. And I'm not looking forward to another republican governor after Pataki's reign. But if Paterson doesnt button his lips and soon, thats what we are going to be looking at. So I'm not interested in going after Hillary Clinton who won her last election by a 67 percent of the vote to Spencer's 31 percent and carried all but 4 counties in NY state. There is enough political trouble for Democrats here, not to mention a budget crisis.



If you have some free time on your hands, why don't you go after Nancy "Impeachment is off the table" Pelosi ? Watching Cheney's response "So?" made my blood boil. Bush and Cheney know they are untouchable. They have been given a free pass. Watching these two and their condescending smirks, while they are not being held accountable for anything, is a bit much to take. Talk about ruining the "party" and the country, Pelosi and Reid have been no help. But that's for people from their state to decide. I know after all the work getting Democrats elected in 2006, these two have been the biggest disappointments ever.

[Zueda]

113. "elected twice" at what expense?

[girl_interrupted]

116. Zueda at what expense? ask Pelosi & Reid

You enjoy watching Cheney and bush not being held accountable? Guess so. You know nothing of NY politics and I do mean nothing. A debt clock going backwards during Clinton's administration versus running out of room on bush's and you have to ask at what expense? LMAO!!! Duhhh. Bill Clinton appointed Richard Clarke, bush ignored him. At what expense? Try 9/11. So glad you don't have a vote here, you're a clown! Paterson holding onto the governorship by his fingertips, More crap coming out about Spitzer and I should worry about Hillary? You've got to be kidding. In the words of Dick Cheney.."So?" Glad you are enjoying the free ride, bush & cheney have been given by Pelosi & Reid.

[Maven]

117. He doesn't give a crap about the voters of NY. Or the voters of this country for that matter.

His only concern is completely destroying Hillary Clinton.

[Zueda]

119. Your right about one thing there...

The Clintons must be taken out of US politics.

[Zueda]

118. What does Reid and Pelosi have to do with running a challenger to Clinton?

Cheney's not being held accountable due to the mockery of the impeachment process that was made with the help of Mr Bill Clinton screwing some intern and then lying about it. And how the fuck do you know what I know and don't know about NY politics, Like it's that fucking hard for me to pick a newspaper and read it. Hell, I don't even have to read a paper, it's crammed down my throat every time I flip on the damn TV. The debt clock has nothing to do with the democratic party. A democratic president can fucking roll the debt clock back all he wants but if he can't hold a majority in the house and senate then he ain't worth shit, just ask George. no I don't have a vote but be damn sure I will do what I can to keep the Clintons out of US politics. Maybe she can run for mayor there, that would be okay with me.

[girl_interrupted]

129. Zueda Pelosi & Reid have their own problems! And you don't

have a vote or a say here. Thank God. Pelosi and Reid couldn't impeach bush & cheney because of Bill Clinton? ROFLMAO!!!! Priceless! I repeat..you know nothing about NY politics...you don't live here, you don't work here, you don't know how the people feel or what their concerns are...you haven't a clue. LOL! A debt clock can be rolled back at anytime? Hasn't happened with any other Democrat but Bill Clinton. LOL! You're funny! "If he doesn't hold a majority in the House and Senate, he can't do anything? Ask George?" Yeah....I can see how bush has been stopped and the war ended because he doesn't have the majority! LOL!!!! Tell you what...go enjoy the the smirk on cheney and bush's face...doesn't seem to bother you at all. NY'ers will do what's best for their state, God knows we couldn't depend on Pelosi & Reid to do what was best for the country by holding bush & cheney accountable. And you? you aren't going to "do" a damn thing here...you're powerless.... all you can do is talk. Nothing else. But you do make me laugh...I'll give you that!

[Zueda]

130. No, I don't have a vote.

But I do have say, whether you like it or not.

Once a challenger is designated then who or what will stop me from contributing to their campaign?

It is you, little buddy, that knows nothing about politics.

[endarkenment]

120. No. She is a fine senator.

I just want her out of the race so that our candidate can focus on McCain. She lost, that is all.

[OzarkDem]

122. How about Obama's?

Bring it on.

[Cant trust em]

124. Is she in the Lieberman category already? I'm not sure about that. NT

[lumberjack_jeff]

128. No.

[Danger Mouse]

132. meh, i'm in NY, and i don't really care...she can stay...

seems to be doing alright.
like her better than chuck.

[AZBlue]

136. I will gladly support anyone who runs against her.

And I know I'm far from the only one.

[McCamy Taylor]

137. I guess you better since you think she is evil incarnate. You have to be consistent.

No fair trying to make nice with her after the primary is over. If you have said that she is the cause of all the world's ill in March, she is still the cause of all the world's ills this fall---

Unless this is just meant as a threat to drive her from the democratic primary?