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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:39 AM
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If your candidate isn't nominated (Barack or Hillary) will you not vote?
Edited on Mon Mar-31-08 09:49 AM by MUAD_DIB
Will you stay at home and let the Republicans win?
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:40 AM
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1. Ron Paul. nt
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NavyDavy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:41 AM
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3. idiot
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:41 AM
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4. You see, one word replys leave so much to the imagination.

RP isn't a Dem. Could you explain yourself in detail?
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:45 AM
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14. If Hillary Clinton is anywhere on the ballot
I will NEVER vote for another Democrat for as long as I live, I swear.

I have no investment in the Party and I will NOT support a party that puts the likes of her on a national ballot.
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:55 AM
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26. Why do you post at DU then?
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:20 PM
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46. If she should be the nominee, I reckon I won't be.
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:41 AM
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2. Of course not. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:43 AM
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8. From the juvenile and scathing war of words between both camps I am almost

expecting that to happen.


I am voting for the Democrat in November.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:43 AM
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5. My candidate dropped out. I will support the DEM nominee
because the Supreme Court has already done too much damage to America and Americans. Letting the PNACers pick more Supreme Court Justices through their puppet McCain is simply not acceptable!
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:43 AM
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6. I will vote for whoever the Dem Nominee will be...
It is that simple... It is easy to keep out of this Clinton/Obama war when you don't have a stake in either side... I hate seeing my fellow Democrats tear each other to bits....
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:44 AM
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11. Those are my feelings as well.
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:43 AM
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7. I don't know, that is what the Obama supporters have suggested!
Should we listen to them, or do what we have always done as democrats
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:45 AM
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15. Please don't turn this into a hate fest.

I am asking what will you do?
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:44 AM
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9. Um... it's spelled Barack......
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:46 AM
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Ummm... thatnks for the reply. Now do you care to answer?
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:49 AM
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19. I vote in every election, and I'll vote in this one too....
...
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:58 AM
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29. Care to elaborate?
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:44 AM
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10. I would vote 3rd party, before voting for Clinton.
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JKaiser Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:44 AM
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12. No.. I want a democrat as president!
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:45 AM
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13. if the moon is in the 7th House, and Jupiter aligns with Mars, will you vote?
or let the Astronomers win?
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:48 AM
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17. That's a nice sidestep to the question.
Edited on Mon Mar-31-08 09:49 AM by MUAD_DIB
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:46 AM
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16. Say NO to emotional blackmail...
Edited on Mon Mar-31-08 09:47 AM by skater314159
... vote for the Dem nominee in November!

These people who say "if my candidate doesn't win, I'm not voting in Nov." are using http://journals.democraticunderground.com/skater314159/168"> emotional blackmail tactics to manipulate us to make their person the nominee. THIS NEEDS TO STOP!!!

We need to UNITE and support the Nominee TOGETHER!!!

Don't let * and the Rethugs divide us! We are stronger than that!

GO DEMOCRATIC VOTERS!!! ON TO VICTORY!!!
(cue inspirational music)
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WVRevy Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:49 AM
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18. As of right this minute...
...no, I would not vote for Hillary, nor would I vote for McCain. I am sick and tired of voting for the lesser of two...who cares. If we expect no better from our candidates than what the Repugs will do in November - which is how everyone excuses Hillary's "kitchen stink" strategy - then I have no interest in supporting our candidate. Period.

Of course...if they overturn the vote of the people by having the SD's hand the nomination to Hillary, I will no longer be a registered Democrat in my state. The day after they do that is the day I become an independent.

Will I change my mind between now and November? Possibly, but I doubt it. Yes, I know full well how important the Supreme Court is. But it's always some issue that is just as important, and I'm sick of the political machine spitting out these nauseating candidates then saying "hey, it could be worse". Fuck 'em...they won't see another penny from me, and they sure as hell won't get my vote.
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NavyDavy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:53 AM
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23. then you deserve the repuke you get....
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WVRevy Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:59 AM
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31. I would argue that we ALL get the government we deserve
When you support our candidate turning into the Rovian bullshit artist that Hillary has become, how are you helping change our government for the better? Rather than keeping our party ABOVE the Repugs, how are you doing anything but helping her take it down to their level?

I will NOT support that. Period. I'll hope she wins for the good of the country in the long run, but I will be damned if I'll support her OR the party that handed her the nomination, AGAINST the will of the people.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:50 AM
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20. .......
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:56 AM
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27. ...---...
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:51 AM
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21. If the dems don't wake up at the Convention, dump both of these candidates, and draft Al Gore
who would likely pick John Edwards as his running mate, should he accept the draft, then I may switch my voter registration to "Independent".


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InsultComicDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:51 AM
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22. I will vote for the Democrat.
I will vote for the entire Democratic slate.
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:54 AM
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25. Thanks. I know that this is a devisive issue, but the Dems really need

to stick together.
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NavyDavy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:54 AM
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24. heck no....i love my country to much to let another repuke in the
WH
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:57 AM
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28. Now that is the spirit that DU needs more of!
Edited on Mon Mar-31-08 09:58 AM by MUAD_DIB
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JayFredMuggs Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:58 AM
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30. That's the spirit!
True Dems bury the hatchets of primaries and move on to get a Dem in the W H!
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Yotun Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 10:09 AM
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35. You are willing to bury democrasy and the right for your vote to mean something for partisanship nt?
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Yotun Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 10:01 AM
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32. Not for Hillary, and that is what everybody should do.
I would personaly gladly vote for Clinton were she to win the nomination and be the candidate. I would never vote for her if she LOST the pledged delegate count, and was nominated by elte super-delegates, in effect over-riging the will of the people- and nobody should for her either! I will quote from another post of mine:

'-Would you accept your candidate winning the November election CLEARLY, and a political elite deciding to give the presidency to the candidate who loses, because they have special knowledge and realize the losing candidate is better suited for the presidency, despite what the voters say? Would you accept accept a political elite overturn the will of the people in the actual election because the losing candidate is judged by that same elite to possess an arbitrary quality- whether it is electability in 2012, or knowledge of economics- that the other candidate does not? THIS IS NOT DEMOCRASY! This is tyranny, and monarchy.
-If Clinton loses the pledged delegate count, but is given the nomination by the super-delegates, then YOU MUST NOT VOTE FOR HER. I cannot stress this enough. There is too much at stake to vote for her if she wins like that. Yes she may agree with you more on the issues than McCain, but what will be at stake will be democracy itself. For, for all his flaws, McCain won his nomination fairly and democratically. By electing Hillary you will be telling the political elite of the country that they can over-turn the will of the voters, they can pick candidates that are NOT who the people chosen, and that you will STILL go along and vote for them. It will set a far too dangerous precedent for the future, and will consolidate power no on the hands of the people but on the hands of an insider few with the better connection in the political elite. Next election, somebody else will steal the election from the proper winner, with an other excuse. The next election, it will be another excuse, and in the end they won’t even bother to give excuses to you. If you want democracy to mean something, and your vote to be important, do NOT vote for Hillary Clinton.'

This is what the polls show when they show Obama folk more willing to vote for Clinton than the other way round. Almost everybody I know would have no problem voting for her were she to win the election, but they will not do so if she STEALS the election- and believe me, a lot of the independents, young people, and blakc voters will feel the same way, and the Republicans will, RIGHTLY, pummel her on the way she won.
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 10:01 AM
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33. I vote by mail, I'm staying home anyway
Seriously, I'll vote for every Democrat on the ticket, except for the Bosnian queen should she make it.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 10:09 AM
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34. I will vote for the nominee. The alternative is to cease being a democrat. n/t
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 10:24 AM
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36. Another good point.
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IndependentDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 10:27 AM
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37. ANY democrat is better than ANY republican, imo. i will be voting, either way. n/t
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 10:28 AM
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38. I have no intention to vote for someone
who I do not think is prepared at this point in time to be president. Therefore, I will not vote for Obama.

:shrug:
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 10:37 AM
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39. So you will stay home in November is he is the Dem Nominee?
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 11:40 AM
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45. I will vote for the other Dems. on the ballot.
One thing I will not do is vote for McCain.
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shaniqua6392 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 10:38 AM
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40. I will vote for the Democrat no matter what.
I firmly believe that we really do not know 100% what we are getting with either Obama or Clinton. I have never been one to blindly follow a political candidate and think they are god-like. They ALL lie. Yes, even Obama. They tell us what we want to hear and then they usually don't deliver anyway. We will get little bits and pieces of what they are promising. That is the harsh truth of the matter. Look at all the Dem's we help get into office in Nov. 2006. They ran on the platform of anti-Bush rhetoric and then they did nothing but take impeachment off the table the minute they got what they wanted. We will be getting the same from Obama or Clinton and anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves. I don't prefer one candidate over the other. I just prefer that is not a Republican.
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Yotun Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 11:08 AM
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41. YOU ARE NO DEMOCRAT IF YOU VOTE FOR HILLARY CLINTON!!!
Good God, you people remind me of George Bush republicans and their fake patriotism of supporting the president and the country no matter what! Blind loyalty and blind following isn't something to be proud of!

Does anybody know what democratic means? 'Demos'- the people and 'kratos'- the state. A state of the people. If you love and care for your party, if you wish to be called a democrat, if you want the party to still uphold some basic values and beliefs, for Gods sake, do not vote for Hillary Clinton!

Hillary will NOT have the pledged delegate majority come the convention. She can only win by having the super-delegates overturn the vote of the people. Its not about what happens NOW. Its about the examples you give for the future. If the people viewing the faults and benefits of Barack Obama choose in their majority to elect him as their candidate, then the super-delegates have the obligation to support him, whatever their own personal reservation about electability, and whatever they personally feel, if they still wish for the party to be called 'democratic' for that is the bature of democracy!

Vote for Clinton and you will be telling the party elite that they can override the will of the people, choose the candidate that's lost and you'll STILL vote regardless. If you still believe in democracy, if you still beleive in equality of vote, if you still believe in your rights, and still believe that there should be no classes of people with greater rights than others, think very carefully who you vote for. This is more important than what happens in 2008. Its all about the precedents you set for the future. What will happen next time the election is close, but the candidate who is the clear winner of the popular choice is not the one with the most connections in the political establishment and the political elite? What are you going to tell the people who run this nation? Are you going to let them tell you in 2012 and 2016 that, 'Its not unacceptable, its just what happened in 2008'. Are you going to let them tell you that just as Obama was unelectable because of patriotism, that in 2012 the person who won that primary is unelectable because of religion, and in 2016 is unelectable because of his economic views? Is this the kind of democracy you believe in, where the will and view of the people is overriden by the will of a small elite? Even if the super-delegates truly feel that Obama is unelectable so what? They have the obligations to bury their own views and go with what the democratic vote and the people feel about the candidate and who they want to represent them.

So if you love your party, if you love demoracy, and if you love the values it stands for, you will not vote for Hillary IF SHE WINS by overriding the will of the people.You will be just as dishonest and a fool as the people who support Bush and the war no matter what, and think patriotism is anout following what the elite tells you even when they take you on the wrong path.

IF the democratic party feels that the path it wants to take the party down, is a path of overriding democrasy, and the will of the people, then not only must you NOT vote for Clinton, you must vote for McCain so that Hillary loses in a landslide, and the elite realises that the fundamental values of democracy and quality are not tradeable at any cost, and nothing of the sort happens ever again. And if you feel that you are doing something righteous by voting for the party no matter what, then I pity you.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 11:14 AM
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43. what a selfish stupid stinking pile of crap
I won't like it if she's the nominee, but I do know that leaving the SCOTUS in the hands of McCain is insane. And that's just the SCOTUS.
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Yotun Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 11:33 AM
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44. Call yourself a democrat if you do not believe in demorasy all you wish nt
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 11:11 AM
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42. No way, I'm voting for the Democratic nominee no matter what
Too many people's lives are impacted by the result of this election.
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