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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:03 PM
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Helen Thomas Supports Hillary
Edited on Mon Mar-31-08 12:04 PM by sabra
I am an Obama supporter, but must gives props for a Helen Thomas endorsement...


http://news.aol.com/newsbloggers/2008/03/31/helen-thomas-supports-hillary/

On Friday night, Helen Thomas gave a rousing keynote speech for the Women, Action and the Media conference at MIT. We were too far in the back to get good video or photos (we'll post those when we find some), but here are a few things she said that we jotted down:

On media bias:
"Hillary is getting a bad rap with the media. Obama is walking on water with the media . . . Being racist is more verboten than being anti-woman."

On the nine presidents she's covered as a member of the press corps:
JFK: "My favorite."
LBJ: "Bigger than life."
Nixon: "When he had two roads to go down, he always took the wrong one."
Ford: "Wanted to be Speaker of the House."Carter: "Made human rights the centerpiece of his foreign policy."
Reagan: "Turned the country to the right."
H.W. Bush: "Had the good sense not to go on to Baghdad."
Clinton: "A consummate politician. Never had the courage to take the great steps for peace."
G.W. Bush: "He's hurt his party and the country."

On the war:
"My solution? Get out of Iraq yesterday."

On Hillary's campaign:
When an audience member asked, "Is there merit in supporting a woman presidential candidate because she's a woman?" Thomas says: "Yes. I honestly think that our time has come, and I think our time should have come long ago . . . Hillary has worked hard. She has tried hard . . . She can't open her mouth - and neither can her husband - without being denounced."

On calls for Hillary to drop out:
"If I were Hillary, I'd stay in the race. I can't help but admire her grit. Maybe it's all over, and that's what they're trying to tell her, but I wouldn't listen."

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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:05 PM
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1. What can you say, I have admired Helen Thomas over the years
for her veracity and honesty...I remember when DU sent her flowers... She has made her pick and I respect her for it...
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:05 PM
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2. That's not an endorsement
Nice try at spinning it, but none of those statements equals an endorsement.
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navarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:08 PM
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5. oh heck, let them say it's endorsement
what's it going to cost anyway? Obama's got it in the bag, right? High time for us to be showing some class to the Hillary supporters.

Not necessarily directing that only at you.....
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:14 PM
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17. Yeah that was REAL classy.
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navarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:16 PM
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50. I don't get your meaning
if you took what I said as an attack, please accept my apology, I'm not trying to make more trouble, I want less. McCain's the enemy, not Clinton, not Obama.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:39 PM
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52. You sir, have no class.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 07:00 AM
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108. Aw how big of you. I'm sure they appreciate it.
Do you donate your apple cores to the poor as well?
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 08:11 AM
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121. Yeah, screw navarth! How dare he suggest civility!
Trying to make himself 'look good' by suggesting Obama supporters back off...

I mean really... who falls for that crap anymore?


:sarcasm:

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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:10 PM
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7. Are you accusing an Obama supporter of spinning
an endorsement by Helen Thomas for Clinton? She urges Clinton to go on and fight and takes up for both Hillary and Bill against the media and Obama... If not an official endorsement, they are very strong words for that particular candidate.....
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 11:48 AM
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132. Of course! Obamamaniacs are always willing

to eat their own. I am sorry they are piling on sabra, who was nice enough to post this.

And you're right, Helen Thomas spoke very positively about the Clintons and encouraged Hillary to stay in the race. She strongly supported her without specifically endorsing her. Maybe she doesn't do endorsements. I really would not expect her to. Journalists shouldn't endorse but with all the tv guys drooling over obama, people forget that journalism is supposed to be unbiased.
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:11 PM
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8. I wasn't trying to spin and I see your point...
:hi:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:27 PM
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24. And Helen did have this to say about bil clinton..
"Clinton: "A consummate politician. Never had the courage to take the great steps for peace."

And that pretty much sums up hilary.
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 06:41 AM
Response to Reply #24
106. I realize your hate has overwhelmed you,
but the LEAST you can do is spell her name correctly.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:18 PM
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71. Exactly right .. no endorsement there.
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 07:50 AM
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116. It's an endorsement
I can respect Helen Thomas and still disagree with her on this one.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:07 PM
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3. Watch out for that bus, Helen!!
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:13 PM
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12. and those snipers!
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NedSchneebly Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:39 AM
Response to Reply #12
128. Which is worse?
Imagined sniper bullets or a REAL preacher that thinks we live in the KKK of A?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:14 PM
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15. I don't think so
most of the throwing under the bus posts are from Hillary supporters. I think this is a lovely endorsement for Hillary.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:56 PM
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44. Not by me! I adore her!
:loveya:
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ksquire Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 07:45 AM
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112. do you mean the Carville express?
I don't see anyone calling her Judas at least...
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NedSchneebly Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:36 AM
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126. I loved Aunt Esther! n/t
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:08 PM
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4. I have great respect for Helen Thomas
Edited on Mon Mar-31-08 12:09 PM by rox63
I respectfully disagree with her about who the best presidential candidate is. But this does not diminish her at all in my view. We are all entitled to our opinions.
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BlueGirlRedState Donating Member (416 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:09 PM
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6. I admire Helen's good sense
even as an Obama supporter.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:11 PM
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9. Thanks!
Loved Helen before, even more now. :)
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:11 PM
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10. Helen Thomas must be looking for a cabinet position in the Clinton Admin
How dare she say Obama is walking on water with the Media! Just parodying the Obama-bots.

Note I'm a lukewarm Obama supporter and an Anyone but Hillary and Republican voter, but I love Helen Thomas.
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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:12 PM
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11. LET IT SINK!
:sarcasm:

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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:01 PM
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45. !
:rofl:
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:13 PM
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13. Helen is one of the good guys.
Good on her!
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:13 PM
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14. I had the good luck to once meet her
I was able to chat with her for several minutes, right after Junior's first "election." A remarkable and very nice lady (and yes, she is really that short!).
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:13 PM
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66. That's really cool.
I love Helen. This is a great endorsement for Hillary.
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gabeana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:14 PM
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Helen Thomas is an American treasure
regardless if I agree on her assessment of Hillary and the campaign
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:22 PM
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21. I agree
I am a Obama fan now but I have been a Helen Thomas fan it seems forever.

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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:14 PM
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16. I admire Helen Thomas, but I have to respectfully disagree
When an audience member asked, "Is there merit in supporting a woman presidential candidate because she's a woman?" Thomas says: "Yes. I honestly think that our time has come, and I think our time should have come long ago . . . Hillary has worked hard. She has tried hard . . . She can't open her mouth - and neither can her husband - without being denounced."

I don't believe in supporting someone primarily because of their sex or race, simply because "our time has come". If the candidate in question is a solid candidate who supports your key values, and they happen to be a woman, African-American, Hispanic, homosexual, or any other minority status, then by all means support that candidate. But I'm not about to support the likes of Condaliar Rice, JC Watts, or Kay Bailey Hutchinson. If Hillary is our nominee, then I will support her 100%; however, right now there are simply too many issues I have with her. That doesn't make me a sexist.

And if Ms. Thomas's desire is to get out of Iraq "yesterday", then she's backing the wrong candidate.
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:25 PM
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22. Is there merit?
That is the question she answered. It was a classy answer and Helen is a class act.
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:17 PM
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18. "She can't open her mouth - and neither can her husband - without being denounced."
No truer words. They are attacked by the media, the right-wing, and far-left with equal vigor.
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live love laugh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 10:56 PM
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91. Yup. I'm tired of it and I'm not exactly pro-Clinton. It's just obvious to me
that all of the negativity must somehow be manufactured and amplified. NOBODY can do as much wrong as Hillary is allegedly doing. And...while Hillary is doing all these terrible things, where's McCain? The fact that there is No news but good news about McCain points back to media manipulation. Hillary = All Bad; McCain = All Good.

Bullshit.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 07:07 AM
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109. Agreed. I mean I voted against her in a SENATORIAL primary and I'm defending her.
And, talk about irony, some of the most vicious and vitriolic anti-Clinton Obama supporters excoriated me for voting against her in 06 (her Dem challenger was a great guy that had walked picket lines with me, was pro-gay marriage, and even went to jail with me as a protester.) I started out this campaign season saying I'll vote for anyone but Clinton and maybe not Obama. And now I'm defending her. Satan himself isn't as evil as these people are making her out to be, which goes to show that it's largely right wing talking points. Look...if it was Clinton vs Kucinich, the hyperbole might make sense. But we're talking about two people with almost identical records. And one is evil? That makes no sense. And when things make no sense, I smell Republicans.
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:48 AM
Response to Reply #109
124. your sense of smell is working just fine...
Edited on Tue Apr-01-08 09:49 AM by unapatriciated
I smell Buchanan, Rove and Fox, the stench is overwhelming.
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ksquire Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 07:47 AM
Response to Reply #18
113. and for good reason!
she has alienated the party, played low ball politics, and triangulated her way right out of the white house.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:20 PM
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19. YOU... are an angel...
thanks! K&R
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musiclawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:20 PM
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20. My sister is now a senior citizen and wants HRC
I point out her weaknesses in a general election. She does not care. She wants a women president. "It's time" according to her, all else be damned. It's like when my fellow latino friends wanted Alberto Gonzalez confirmed. "He's one of us" was all I heard. And I kept pointing out that the dude was fucked up and unqualified. My point--people get irrational when they start living vicariously, backing someone emotionally rather than from hard research and dispassionate analysis. I see of lot of this on DU now. It's sad.

Hell, I'd like to see a latino president one day, but I would't want Bill Richardson as President because we can do better and I don't think he has the skill set. And it not going to kill me if I don't see it in my lifetime.
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RememberWellstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:26 PM
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23. Great lady!
And she knows who is Presidential and who is not.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:28 PM
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25. That's ok. I STILL love her. n/t
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:28 PM
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26. While I greatly respect Helen, I'm dismayed by her answer to supporting a woman cuz she's a woman
I know she wouldnt be saying the same thing about Condi Rice.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:32 PM
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30. WATCH OUT HELEN!!!!
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:03 PM
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46. Don't let the fact that it is not actually happening on this thread deter you, ronny.
Your under-the-bus references are highly amusing. Not to mention original and creative.

:eyes:
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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:10 PM
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48. She said it about Hillary because she knows Hill has the
knowledge and experience to do the job. What has Rice ever done 'right'? She's been been kissing Bush's --- for 8 yrs.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 11:56 PM
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95. At least she supports a Democrat.
She's seen much in her many years covering the Presidents and I respect her opinion. However, I'm not persuaded that Clinton is the better Democratic candidate this go-round.

Sorry Helen. Still love ya, though.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 03:24 AM
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102. Hey Einstein! If women are for HRC JUST 'cuz' she's a woman, then we WOULD be 4 Condi 2!
We'd be for ANY woman, JUST so long as she was a woman....if that's what Helen said, which she DIDN'T.

She simply said that it's time for a woman, not ANY woman.



DOH!



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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 11:32 AM
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130. OTOH, a lot of people would vote for
Edited on Tue Apr-01-08 11:36 AM by DemBones DemBones

Condi to be McCain's VP rather than vote for a lying empty suit named Obama!
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 11:34 AM
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131. That SHOULD be a no-brainer, guess that


some people just aren't using their brains.

Women don't have to support a woman, but they're allowed to, just as blacks don't have to support a black, but they're allowed to.

But isn't it funny that in all my years of voting, I've never heard anyone suggest white men are voting for a white man just
because he's a white man?

I guess white men would never be that petty, right? :rofl: They'd never vote based on sex and race? :rofl:
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Kare Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 08:02 AM
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119. I'm not too keen on that point myself
Vote for her just because she is a woman?

I wouldn't vote for a woman just because she is a woman, I wouldn't NOT vote for a woman
just because she's a woman either.

And for the record I am a woman.

I don't care for the "It's our time" talk. You could spin that both ways. Why isn't it time for a black man to be president? Why is it a woman's time? Who decides when it's time for these things anyway??

Frankly I could care less about gender and race I just want a Dem in office this time around.
I would settle for a purple and green donkey if it was a Dem, look at the alternative.......
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ampad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:30 PM
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27. I will always admire Helen
I disagree with her on this one but she will always be a hero in my eyes.
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Pawel K Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:30 PM
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28. I think she's wrong on this one but I respect the woman
she's got more courage than Obama or Hillary. So congrats Hillary, not sure this is going to help you much anyway.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:32 PM
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29. RUN HELEN RUN FAST....here comes the Obama bus to roll over you
Edited on Mon Mar-31-08 12:32 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:33 PM
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31. And demand for the flowers BACK!!
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:13 PM
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68. And yet it hasn't happened, has it?
Almost everyone respects Helen a great deal and supports her doing this. After the treatment Richardson and Kennedy and Kerry got from Camp Hillary tell me you see the hypocrisy in acting like you guys are here???? :shrug:
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:42 PM
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39. so predictable
Edited on Mon Mar-31-08 12:43 PM by Paint It Black
I don't see anywhere in this thread where Obama supporters are attacking Helen Thomas. Every response I've seen so far has been complimentary of her, we all hold her in high regard. Yet here you come charging in with your reckless accusations, as if you're just hoping to turn a respectable thread into yet another fight.

Do you really think that the fact that a few of us might disagree with something she says means that we're "rolling her over"?
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:10 PM
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63. Look downthread
its starting already.
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:57 PM
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78. No it hasn't
Despite the best efforts of some of you. Nobody - and I repeat NOBODY - has so far attacked Helen Thomas. And I'm sure that if some troll comes along and does so, they'll be dealt with swiftly.

Now compare this reaction to the reaction when people like Bill Richardson and Pat Leahy endorsed Obama.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:11 PM
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65. And yet it hasn't happened yet...unlike Richardson and Kennedy, two good Dems.
The Hillary camp is hardly one to whine about throwing anyone under a bus. :eyes:
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rch35 Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 02:51 AM
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99. What the fuck are you talking about?
Everyone is saying how much they admire and respect helen yet you and that dumbass ronny keep making the same jokes. Stop it. It is not hiring.
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carlotta Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:33 PM
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32. It's not only Helen Thomas
I happen to know that several big name women reporters (friends of Helen) are also big Hillary supporters. Those women understand better than many, just how hard you have to scrape and fight to get any respect in their careers.
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:34 PM
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33. As with all Hillary supporters I admire
I admire Helen Thomas
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femmedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:34 PM
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34. That is a very meaningful endorsement. from someone I completely respect.
Congratulations, Hillary supporters!

My only quibble is the "walk on water" comment about Obama. I agree that the media has been bitter cruel to Clinton for 15 years, but I wouldn't say the media's fixation on Rev. Wright is any better.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:34 PM
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35. In exchange for being the only consistently gutsy and principled WH reporter all these years
Helen is entitled to be 100% for Hillary for whatever reason she wants.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:37 PM
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36. If Helen says there is media bias, I think we should listen to her
She should know!

While I would like this to be an actual endorsement, I don't think I can go quite that far. But as far as its being time for a woman president, I agree. It is time. I don't care if people think Hillary is telling them to "eat their peas". It's high time someone took hold of the public and said that to us.

I think it's high time for an African-American president too, but I can certainly see the difference between Obama and Ward Connerly. Some people fit the bill because they will advance everyone, some don't and won't. Condi is clearly in the latter category too.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:01 PM
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85. Good point
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:38 PM
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37. OP thanks for posting the article
Helen Thomas is absolutely right in her assessment. However I disagree about BigDog. She knows either candidate, Clinton or Obama are going to say they were cheated by the end of the convention.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:39 PM
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38. is there an endorsement or Hillary is a good candidate and getting a bum rap
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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:44 PM
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40. Now I won't have to grit my teeth so hard if it comes down...
to voting for Senator Clinton in the GE. I've always been willing to support the nominee and continue to do so, but it's been getting a little harder to do it with a smile on my face and a hey nonee nonee.

BUT, if Helen Thomas tells me it's better than I think it is I'll take that as a piece of very valuable information. She is clearly and unquestionably one of the good guys, and a beacon for anybody who wants to know how to be a journalist instead of a media personality.

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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:45 PM
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41. Didn't see this, but here's a couple of videos with her and Zogby on Clinton & Obama...

My take is that she's been good friends with the Clintons, though it sounds she's not completely happy with either candidate on their votes, etc. on the Middle East from what she says in these video clips. She goes after Obama a lot of not being specific enough on his issues, some for his experience, and some for his funding of Iraq even though he's trying to portray himself as against it.

She does like how Obama's bringing out the youth vote, and at one point she does quote Bobby Kennedy as predicting that we'd have an afro-American in the white house by now which kind of hints she expects Obama might deliver on that prediction.

The end of this clip she talks a bit about Obama and Clinton...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=385&topic_id=94343

The first half of this clip she talks about McCain, Clinton, and Obama...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=385&topic_id=94352

And of course DU and her take on impeachment is mentioned in this clip:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=385&topic_id=94364

And the last one here too:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=385&topic_id=94367
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:50 PM
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42. Phew. I am relieved. I thought that she had endorsed Senator Clinton.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:05 PM
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47. Me too
Maybe I can start a thread that says "Bill Clinton Endorses Obama" and then post something that doesn't say anything to that effect.
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:52 PM
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43. K&R for Helen and her endorsement.
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KaptBunnyPants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:14 PM
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49. There is merit in supporting a woman because she's a woman.
What an odd thing to believe. So, any woman, regardless of philosophy, ideology, or competence, should be supported to be President for no reason beside their gender. Why is getting screwed over by people of your own race and gender preferable to being screwed over by someone else?
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:27 PM
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51. dead to me
:sarcasm:
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:44 PM
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53. I like Helen Thomas anyway. She probably knows Hillary
from covering the White House and most likely doesn't know Obama at all. That's okay.
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:54 PM
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54. You exaggerated. That wasn't an endorsement, it was analysis.
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Ino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:55 PM
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55. I just can't get my head around this statement...
"Hillary is getting a bad rap with the media. Obama is walking on water with the media . . . Being racist is more verboten than being anti-woman."

It sounds like she's saying all Hilliary criticism is gender-related, and any absence of Obama criticism is race-related. But who knows what was replaced by the ellipses.

As much as I respect Helen, I don't agree with the "our time has come" rationale for selecting a president. I wouldn't vote for Condi's uterus, and I won't vote for Hilliary's.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:01 PM
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56. Thank you Ms. Thomas!!!
Miss seeing you on the front row at WH press conferences.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:02 PM
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57. Wheres the endorsement part?
I seem to be missing it.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:04 PM
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58. We already knew that HIllary has the 'white women over 70'
demographic all sewn up.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:07 PM
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59. 3..2..1 Obama folks throw Helen under the bus
Edited on Mon Mar-31-08 02:07 PM by OzarkDem
How many of our heroes who spoke out bravely during the dark days of the Bush junta have they crucified in the name of Obama so far? I'm starting to lose count. Help me out:

Joe Wilson
Valerie Plame
Paul Krugman
Helen Thomas
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:08 PM
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60. so far zero...
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:09 PM
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62. Sorry, I guess that means
you're GOP and love Bush.
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:10 PM
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64. please explain what you mean?
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:13 PM
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67. Wilson, Plame and Krugman
along with others like Helen Thomas have spoken out against Bush for years when everyone else was too afraid.

Those people have spoken out now in support of Hillary and are now being vilified by Obama supporters who once admired them.
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:14 PM
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70. you said "3..2..1 Obama folks throw Helen under the bus"
I responded that so far zero have done that...
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:19 PM
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72. Look again
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:21 PM
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73. sorry don't see it - please provide links... I am an Obama supporter
and made the OP - and my headline wasn't "Helen Thomas is dead to me"
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:25 PM
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75. You're in denial
providing you links would be a waste of time. Its your decision whether to keep your head buried in the sand or try to take an objective view of this race.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:35 PM
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77. LMAO...you talking about objectivity is like Cheney talking about peace and freedom.
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rch35 Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 02:53 AM
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100. Does anything you say make any fucking sense? Even to you? nt
Edited on Tue Apr-01-08 02:53 AM by rch35
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:59 PM
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79. This should be easy - please provide the post # where someone has attacked Helen Thomas
That should be easy, shouldn't it? If, after all, Obama supporters are throwing her under the bus, it should be easy for you to simply scroll up/down and identify which posts they are.
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ksquire Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 07:48 AM
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115. kind of a short list when you think about it...
most powerful woman in America -- 8 years as first lady and more as a Senator and that's all she can pull?

FWIW, I've yet to see anyone throw her under the bus. Helen has served this country too long and too well to be treated that way.

She's no Judas.
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ksquire Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 07:52 AM
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117. 1 more Obama person giving props to Helen
She obviously has the right to support her (even though I see no endorsement here), and her comments made me rethink some things...although she didn't change my mind. I still think on average Hillary has had a cake walk with the press (reporting her side as if it has merits, regardless of the facts), and given broad social changes (like that women outnumber men in law school by 3:2), women are entrenched in power and have sufficiently changed perceptions so that a woman's time will come.

But, I respect Helen and appreciate that she's out there. I love that MIT loves Helen btw... I saw her speak there a few years ago before the Iraq war and she was brilliant.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:09 PM
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61. I support Helen Thomas she admires Hillary's Grit
didn't say she supports her as a candidate.
She can't do that as a journalist.


but I'll nominate the thread for Helen
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:14 PM
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69. Helen is awesome and can support anyone she likes with no repercussion from me.
Hell, she's been so cool I'd even giver her a pass if she supported McCain, though I know she wouldn't.
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:24 PM
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74. Helen is one of the best
I support Obama, but also appreciate the succinct and thoughtful points Helen makes.
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Thepricebreaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:28 PM
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76. Wow who would have thought.... (( rolls eyes ))
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 03:02 PM
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80. Wow... So basically almost no one actually read the OP in its entirety.
Because that was not a Hillary endorsement. That was quite misleading.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 03:18 PM
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81. K&R
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 03:18 PM
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82. Wow! It's almost surreal to be an older career woman supporting Obama.
In my world view now (during my late 40s), I'd rather NOT have a woman as President if it means elevating "a woman" of my gender who, is devoid of moral courage and integrity.

I've enjoyed the opportunity to work for many superiors, men and women, over the last 20 years. HRC demonstrates the traits of an "efficient manager" but LACKS the characteristics of a "gifted leader."

The President of the United States must inspire as well as manage. I regret HRC is "a highly skilled manager" but NOT "a gifted leader."

HRC has paid her dues, but please realize that she is sorely lacking the gift of "inspirational leadership?
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 08:00 AM
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118. I have believed it was the manager vs. leader dichotomy myself
I'm not certain that Hillary is that skilled a manager either, seeing how her campaign has been run, but even a skilled manager can be overwhelmed by demands on their time.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 05:23 PM
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83. WooHoo!
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 08:56 PM
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84. Sexist Crap....


"Is there merit in supporting a woman presidential candidate because she's a woman?" Thomas says: "Yes.


You support THE BEST PERSON for the Job you do not support someone based on Gender

That is Sexist Bullshit....

I thought Helen was better than that...

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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 07:23 AM
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111. And, I don't support Obama and have been called racist
for even mentioning that he is "black". It's racist bullshit, I thought Obama supporters were better than that. :sarcasm:

zalinda
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:25 PM
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86. I support Obama, and I LOVE Helen Thomas. She's absolutely a STAR
in my book, regardless of who she supports!

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Random Lee Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:47 PM
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87. Helen is an anti-war icon
Her support of Hillary is welcome.
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Blue Diadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:55 PM
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88. I love Helen!
and I'm for Obama.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 10:32 PM
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89. Hillary is still a decent person
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 10:34 PM
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90. I'm not surprised and she's entitled to her opinion.
;)
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 11:17 PM
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92. Interesting
I don't like hearing her say that, but you gotta respect the Helen
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 11:27 PM
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93. I wish we could see more of this kind of generosity here. Thank you, sabra. nt
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 11:53 PM
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94. As an Obama supporter I say...
Helen is right. Hillary will make a swell President.

In 2016.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 01:33 AM
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96. I respect Thomas's opinion on the news media
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 01:37 AM
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97. Wow, really a convincing appeal "it's about time for a woman."
sounds like any woman will do. Where was she when Mosley-Braun was running.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 03:31 AM
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103. "SOUNDS like ANY woman will do? Really? Where'd Helen say that? I'll tell ya where-NOWHERE
Women of ALL colors worked for Carol Mosley Braun and got her elected.

You're attempt to accuse white liberal women, in this case HELEN THOMAS (?WTF?), of not supporting black liberal women is LAME.
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 08:04 AM
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120. Give Helen Thomas a break
She has more integrity in her little finger than this entire board combined. We can disagree with her while being respectful. She has earned our respect.
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nvme Donating Member (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 02:04 AM
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98. no there- there
Edited on Tue Apr-01-08 02:06 AM by nvme
If that is the extent of what Helen Thomas said, then that is not an endorsement. Great journalist. Love seeing her in the front row of the press corps. Helen is too much the journalist to throw herself into this frey. To imply her analysis is one is misleading. If camp clinton tries to claim this as one then, the first person to ask helen directly if she endorses, will greatly be disappointed. She will not risk her objectivity. gotta give to helen for her moxy though
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 03:00 AM
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101. Good for Helen
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 04:07 AM
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104. HELEN THOMAS FOR PRESIDENT....
i don't support hillary BUT you gotta give HELEN the biggest f(*&^ heart in the world award...

what do you all think.....SAINT HELEN ?
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 04:36 AM
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105. Thanks for the notice.
It's nice to see.
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 06:57 AM
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107. K'd & R'd n/t
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HopeforChange Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 07:19 AM
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110. This is not an endorsement
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 07:47 AM
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114. Good for Helen. She is a wonderful journalist and citizen.
We are all wonderful citizens, her voice is one of our millions.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:13 AM
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122. Uh, vote for her because she *is* a woman? I thought we voted based on issues?!?!?
And on the issues I can only say one thing about Hillary:


FUCK HER AND THE DLC!!

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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:21 AM
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123. Helen Thomas has done so much for the cause of justice that I for
one do not care who she supports - I support her.
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Shae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:58 AM
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125. Helen is a very classy lady.
I disagree with her about supporting Hillary, but always respect her opinion.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:39 AM
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127. Thanks, Sabra
:hi:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 11:24 AM
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129. Helen's a national trasure...
that's a nice feather for Hillary's campaign cap. :)
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 11:55 AM
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133. Thanks for posting, sabra. Helen Thomas is great and

I'm glad she is supportive of Hillary Clinton, sorry you are being jumped on for saying it was an endorsement.

Helen Thomas did not officially endorse HRC but she strongly supported her staying in the race.

All you people who want HRC to drop out may as well put a sock in it because she won't.

HRC can beat McCain. BO cannot beat McCain.

This is why many Republicans are supporting BO, even here at DU.
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 12:03 PM
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134. Great to hear of her support!
:kick:

DemEx
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parkeradison Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 12:24 PM
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135. Regarding Helen Thomas
This must be Hillary's first significant endorsement in a long time. Obama certainly has won nearly all of the recent major endorsements, which makes this Helen Thomas endorsement of Hillary almost a non-event.
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