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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:43 PM
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Who'll Tell Hillary?
Who'll Tell Hillary?
By David Knowles
Mar 31st 2008 12:34PM

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A growing chorus of Democrats are recommending that Hillary Clinton give up her current bid to become president. Of course, most of the people who advocate such a view--such as Vermont Senator Patrick Leahy--are supporters of Barack Obama. But as the contest drags on, and anxieties keep rising about the long-term damage that the protracted fight is having on Democratic chances for re-taking the White House, it is inevitable that some Clinton supporters will come to a similar conclusion to those Obama backers who envision Hillary's exit from the race as a way to preserve party unity.

It doesn't take a psychic to foretell a disastrous end to what once seemed like a slam-dunk win for Democrats next fall. With each passing day, adherents from both the Clinton and Obama camps seem to entrench themselves further in their my-candidate-or-McCain bunkers. Yes, the enemy of my enemy (John McCain) seems to have become Plan B for nearly one-third of those blinded by Plan A loyalty.

If one believes that the longer the Obama/Cinton bout goes on, the greater McCain's chances of winning in November become, then the obvious solution is for one of the Dem. candidates to take one for the team. Of course, Clinton supporters argue that it is Obama who should exit, but that case is the harder one to make, seeing as Obama is ahead by every conceivable metric we have. Indeed, the argument that Obama has run the stronger campaign, therefore he should step aside, is itself counter-intuitive.

So then, back to Hillary. Whether or not she should clear the way for Obama is, of course, a matter of great debate. Barack himself believes that's up to no one but Clinton. Another question, as posed by New York Magazine's John Heilmann, is: Who among Democrats has the clout to convince Clinton that it's time to pack it in? Certainly it wasn't Leahy. Nancy Pelosi, too, is seen as a hostile witness. Al Gore is doing his best to remain neutral. Ditto John Edwards and Jimmy Carter. We know who Bill Clinton favors, and it's hard to imagine him trying to convince his wife that the writing's on the wall. Chelsea, perhaps?

Heilmann thinks the discouraging word will have to be a Clinton loyalist:

No, according to Hillary's adjutants, the people most likely to have sway with her on this topic are not party elders at all but instead her fiercest loyalists, those who've won her trust over the years by dint of their unwavering support. Familiar names from the annals of Clintondom are mentioned: Terry McAuliffe, Vernon Jordan, Rahm Emanuel (likely the only person in this club who is also close to Obama). So, too are prominent endorsers such as Pennsylvania governor Ed Rendell. "If one of her major African- American endorsers, like Stephanie Tubbs-Jones, told her it was time to quit, that would be very powerful," adds a senior Clinton adviser.


Such speculation by-passes the person who is best qualified to advise Hillary Clinton, and that is, of course, Hillary Clinton, herself. I don't picture her as a Bush-like figure, eschewing all contact with newspapers and non-Fox-News outlets. While she suggests that she's going to drive this caravan right into Denver, whatever the numbers show, you have to think that a woman this smart will be able to understand the writing on the wall without anyone having to whisper in her ear.

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Link: http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/03/31/wholl-tell-hillary/

Link to Heilmann article: http://nymag.com/news/politics/powergrid/45604/index1.html

:shrug:
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:44 PM
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1. Her accountant. That's the truth. When the money dries up, she'll fold.
And by the sound of it, it should be in the next couple of weeks.

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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:52 PM
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4. No point 'flogging a dead horse'
she's in debt already. I think any big donor would need their heads testing if they suddenly give now.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:45 PM
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2. Whoever owns body armor. nt
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jakem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:48 PM
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3. ill say it again...
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:53 PM
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5. Her inside supporters are looking at Indiana plus she is $800,000 short today
Clinton Well-Short of Fundraising Goal

Sen. Clinton had launched an online fundraising campaign with the aim of raising $3 million, a modest sum compared to the Obama juggernaut, by the March 31 reporting deadline for campaign donations. As of 12:45 pm on March 31, Clinton is roughly $800,000 short of her goal.

Ordinarily, campaigns set goals they can achieve in order to convince supporters and the media that the cause is still going strong. Clinton's substantial shortfall would seem to indicate that her campaign is on the ropes. Clinton's waning fundraising ability would also explain her campaign is having so much trouble paying the bills.

http://www.ourrepublicblog.com/2008/03/clinton-well-short-of-fundraising-goal.html

I will try to find the Indiana link I saw it this morning.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:59 PM
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6. Two Senior Advisors: We'll Tell Hillary To Resign If She Loses Indiana

In a recent, widely circulated New York Magazine piece, it was noted that, "according to Hillary's adjutants, the people most likely to have sway with her on this topic are not party elders at all but instead her fiercest loyalists, those who've won her trust over the years by dint of their unwavering support."

Familiar names from the annals of Clintondom are mentioned: Terry McAuliffe, Vernon Jordan, Rahm Emanuel (likely the only person in this club who is also close to Obama). So, too, are prominent endorsers such as Pennsylvania governor Ed Rendell. "If one of her major African-American endorsers, like Stephanie Tubbs-Jones, told her it was time to quit, that would be very powerful," adds a senior Clinton adviser. Oh, and let us not forget her husband.

And in the New York Times this weekend, two such advisors apparently set the terms of their support for Clinton continuing in the race.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/31/two-senior-advisors-wel_n_94258.html
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:18 PM
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7. I Saw That, Thanks !!!
:hi:
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:28 PM
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9. I can't post the $800,000 goal post that is moved
maybe someone else can, the pdf is on the link



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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:20 PM
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8. She'll lose NC and IN - no point in going on after PA
if she does not beat Obama by 20 points.

Hawkeye-X
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 03:02 PM
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11. I think they'll make the $3 million goal though in 7 hours
they're at 2,500,000
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:59 PM
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10. She'd kick their ass....
n/t
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 03:43 PM
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12. Kick !!! - LOL !!!
:evilgrin:
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 06:00 PM
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13. Kick !!!
:kick:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 07:50 PM
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14. Obama folks will rue the day ....if Clinton caves early...before Votes are Finished in Late States..
Because the whole Repug Machine is gonna come down on your head! While Clinton is still there they are forced to spend money attacking both Dem Candidates...when we are down to ONE ...all their BIG GUNS will come in for the KILL!

Be careful what you wish for. This two candidate "race to finish" is the best chance we Dems have ever had to re-build our Party and hold off the "ATTACK MACHINE" until we get our "act together" at the Convention.

WE are DEMOCRACY IN ACTION! Don't wish to destroy that ...because if you do...the thundering evil will have one it ALL!
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 08:06 PM
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15. And Yet Our Side Is Forced To Spend Our Money Defending Itself, Against Itself...
And since you know that Hillary will not be able to campaign against Obama AFTER the convention, my question is, why are we giving the Republicans a 6 month head start?

McCain starts his GE campaign March 4th, after Huckabee drops out, which gives him 8 months to get his fundraising and oppo research together.

The Democrats fight\settle it in Denver, which gives our nominee 2 months to do the same.

NOT GOOD!!!

:shrug:
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 08:10 PM
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16. And BTW...
I'm from California...

My primary vote has been pro-form my entire voting life. Even though we have the biggest and most diverse population in the entire country, in the past our primaries were little more than polite pats on the head for the previously annointed. It had always already been decided for us before it got to us. We dealt with it...

What makes you all so special?

:shrug:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:31 PM
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17. Who all is so special? I'm not a Hillary or Obama Supporter at this point...
I can't vote until May....so I'm still deciding.
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progdog Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 06:15 PM
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19. I'm from California too.
I'd like to know the answer to your question also.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 06:22 PM
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21. First of all, they aren't spending a lot attacking Obama or Clinton
They don't need to. All they have to do is sit back and watch. Secondly, McCain is having trouble raising money. Thirdly, if Hillary runs out of money, it's over. It's that simple. Fourth, a brokered convention is a disaster for dems. That's why Dean, Pelosi and others are determined to avoid it. I think they know a bit more than you.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 06:07 PM
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18. Kick !!!
:kick:
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galaxy21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 06:17 PM
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20. Bill or Chelsea
That's my guess.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 06:30 PM
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22. K and R
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