Okay, what's this punishment shit

[sandnsea]

I've been busy this morning, I missed the details. But from what I gather, one more time, Obama tells a truth that DU has been upset about for years - and you fucking hypocrites turn against him.

Did he point out that the religious nutballs oppose abortion and think girls deserve the punishment of having a child?? Is that what he said?

And you WOMEN, who have been arguing that point for years, are going to turn on him for that???

Really???

Is this really all the ethics some of you have? Somebody has the guts to make your exact point (and you know Hillary won't fight the religious on contentious points like this} - and you STILL won't back him up?

Un.Real.

[BattyDem]

1. Forcing a woman to have a baby she doesn't want is punishment.

When someone commits a crime, they are told, "You did the deed, now you have to pay the price. You have no choice in the matter." They're being punished because they did something wrong.

If a pregnant girl/woman is told, "You did the deed, now you have to pay the price. You have no choice in the matter." - that is also punishment. How can it not be?

I'm proud of him for having the guts to say it. I'm sure he's going to be SLAMMED for it, but I never imagined that pro-choice women, who have been arguing this point for a long time, would be the ones doing the slamming. :-(

[JayFredMuggs]

5. Exactly right!

This just shows how the Hillary folks are so desperate for an issue they can sink their teeth into to define a difference between Barack and Hillary that they are willing to throw Rowe vs Wade under the bus.

[donheld]

32. "You did the deed, now you have to pay the price. "

It can also be a great punishment for the child.

[Georgie_92]

33. That's why we have adoptions :)

[Thickasabrick]

38. What if you don't believe in adoption?

[BattyDem]

35. That's true.

The worse thing for a child is to be born into a world where it's not wanted and/or the mother is not financially or emotionally able to care of it. Very often, those kind of situations breed neglect and abuse. :-(

[Georgie_92]

36. Yes very sad. My Mom gave up my older sister for adoption

because she had no support system, unwed Mom in 1959 was not pretty.

[rox63]

2. I believe the controversy started here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5328633

[jgraz]

18. What a surprise, that OP is usually so reasonable and not at all intellectually dishonest.

Yes, :sarcasm:

[Cha]

29. Yeah, I'm Ignoring the

underbelly side.

[MercutioATC]

3. It's all they have left...let them writhe in their slime pit.

They're not taking the loss well...

[Cheap_Trick]

6. no zoloft for them n/t

[TwilightGardener]

4. This is all they have left. Ginning up faux outrage and attacking from the right, as usual--

they take their cue from Billary.

[uponit7771]

7. Obama has a point, I don't know what the bru-ha is about.

[Usrename]

8. Except, of course, in a case of rape or incenst.

In either of those cases she wasn't at fault, so she doesn't need to be punished for anything. Right?

[sandnsea]

9. HUH??? n/t

[walldude]

12. Yeah that's it.. that's the ticket

:eyes: I got news for you, the religious right wants all abortions illegal including in cases of rape incest or danger to the mother. Then when the kid is born they want him/her to "pull themselves up by their bootstraps."

How dare anyone stand with them.

[The Backlash Cometh]

10. Obama is exposing the self-righteous religious right-winger's true emotional motivations?

Damn. Sounds presidential.

[msallied]

11. Amen and Bravo. In that order. n/t

[Vinca]

13. Everyone here who actually listened to Obama answer the question

that sparked this idiotic tangent, please raise your hand. The question was about abstinence education. His answer was we should teach ethics and morals as well as contraception. He said he has 2 girls and he plans to teach them what is right, but if they should make a mistake he doesn't want them punished by having a baby or contracting and STD. Now. What the hell is wrong with that?

[berni_mccoy]

14. The Clinton supporters have lost their minds, right along with Hillary herself.

[walldude]

15. I did the same thing, came in here and was

stunned. The incredible level of dishonesty shown by Clinton supporters who are pretending that they didn't understand that Obama was talking about being pro-life and pro-sex education just astounds me. They are going to sit here and denounce what he said? Which would put them firmly in the pro-life, pro-abstinence education camps? Then they want to whine about how vicious and unfair Obama and his people are.. :eyes:

[Barack_America]

16. Fierce Kung Fu KICK!

:mad:

What HELL are these people on about?

Liberal is a bad word.
Obama-supporting Dems are "dead to me".
Richardson is Judas.
Unplanned pregnancies are "blessings".

What principles and ideals will these people NOT trash for the sake of Hillary's hopeless candidacy?

[sudopod]

17. I've been naughty

I deserve a spanking. lol

[Megahurtz]

19. Idiots.

I swear I think that 85% of the population are fucking Idiots.:dunce: They have comprehension problems for sure.

[sandnsea]

22. Some of the population actually are fucking idiots

I quit being angry at them years ago. The ones who I know ARE NOT fucking idiots, and perpetuate this shit for political purposes, and then excuse themselves with "everybody is a liar", I'd like to punch those assholes right in the face.

[Megahurtz]

27. I know what you mean.

This subject makes me really angry. :grr:

[JackBeck]

20. Looks like parsing gone overboard. n/t

[DarienComp]

21. As I said in another thread

They're human Rorschach tests.

[SoCalDem]

23. a baby IS a punishment for a 15 year old..

sorry..but it;s the truth..

she;s either going to have to plan for a lifetime of poverty, or her Mom is going to have to raise another child for her

or

she'll have an abortion, and may feel badly about it

or she'll give it up for adoption and wonder how that baby is..where that baby is for the rest of her life

Why not teach responsible contraception to all teens, and quit being so damned provincial about sex..

a hundred years ago, girls got MARRIED at 15 or 16..and the age at which a girl first menstruated was not 9,10.11, like it is now..

Our kids are sexualized these days.. It's a fact.. and kids will have sex a LOT sooner than we did or we would want them to,,

fertile teenagers have very few "problems" becoming pregnant.,.

He was merely making a point that no parent wants a young teen to be having sex, and they will NOT ask permission..but their "punishment" for disobeying Mom & Dad, need not be a baby..

[progdog]

30. Great post.

Thanks for a perfect explanation.

[redqueen]

24. Yup. You summed it up pretty well for having missed the first

"Andrea Mitchell said... " thread. At least I think that was the first one.

*sigh*

[DerekJ]

25. They lost their minds, I swear I think they did.!!

I am not even bieng snarky.

[Umbram]

26. GD:P is out of control today

People saying Faux is fair and balanced.
People criticizing Obama for a pro-choice (though poorly worded) message.

The same bus that has been running over progressives has lost its breaks altogether. It will just roll over ANYTHING in its way.

[JVS]

28. It's fascinating how as Obama comes ever closer to the nomination, some people become trollier...

and trollier rather than accept that he's the one on their side.

[anonymous171]

31. Apparently being pro-choice is against demcratic principles and makes you unelectable.

Just another BS Hillary outrage.

[Coexist]

34. thank you.

as the mother of a daughter, this is so important.

[Laelth]

37. Blatant hypocrisy is unbecoming, indeed. k&r

n/t

:dem:

-Laelth