Offensive statements.

[redqueen]

Which are you more offended by? Obama's characterization of a forced pregnancy as a punishment... or Hillary's characterization of millions of unnecessary deaths, a theocracy taking the place of a secular society, rampant preventable disease, etc. as freedom.

People are losing their everlovin' minds.


(edited to change "an" to "of", and to change "unwanted" to "forced", as that was what Obama was referring to.)

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

1. bingo, redqueen.

[Bonobo]

2. "The GIFT of Democracy".-HRC

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

3. I'm guessing people who are "offended" by the former...

agree with the latter.

[msallied]

9. Beautifully put

[Deep13]

11. Well since that puts the worst possible spin on it...

...I guess you have to assume that.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

16. Is it really that much of a stretch?

The only people "offended" by Obama's remarks are rabid, intellectually dishonest Clinton supporters (and right wing fundies), and I'm guessing those people aren't going to be disagreeing with Clinton on Iraq.

[Deep13]

29. Pro choice supporters are offended.

It is only not much of a stretch if one believes the horrible character assassination that has been done to HC on this web site.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

31. Horseshit.

No intellectually honest person, pro-choice or otherwise, is going to get offended by quotes taken out of context.

You're not fooling anybody.

[Deep13]

34. You asked. I don't really care what you think.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

58. It was a rhetorical question.

Thank you for backing it up though.

[anonymous171]

4. Lately I've had trouble telling RWers and Clinton supporters apart.

Both attack Obama is the weirdest, most ignorant ways, it's hard to tell which is which.

[MonkeyFunk]

7. And I have the same problem with many Obama supporters

they repeat right-wing smears ad nauseum, their blind hatred for the Clintons is just insane, and they want to disenfranchise Florida.

[Cheap_Trick]

8. the line between HRC and the (R) is getting thinner and thinner

soon we'll have to call her H(R)C..

[Deep13]

12. Why not, you've called her everything else.

[Cheap_Trick]

50. wwwaaaaaaaahhhhhh!

i forget, you hillary supporters have been such angels would never ever call Obama anything......


:sarcasm:

[Deep13]

5. Sadam was not a secular government.

He wasn't an Islamic Fundy, but he did rely on Sunni Islam to cement his rule.

[redqueen]

6. Educate yourself.

1 - Saddam was not a "government".

2 - I said SOCIETY.

[Deep13]

23. How was Saddam not a government?

Yes, you said society. I said government. You know I am not required to restrict my comments to what you are talking about.

[endarkenment]

28. A government is not a person.

Saddam was the head of state.

[Deep13]

39. Did that state follow his orders?

You are drawing distinctions based solely on semantics.

[endarkenment]

43. He was not Louis XIV

Saddam was not 'the government' and saying 'a government like Saddam' is just blazingly stupid to defend.

[GodlessBiker]

15. So, we don't have a secular government because Bush uses Bible-thumpers to cement his rule?

[Deep13]

32. I've been complaining about that fact for seven years. nt

[endarkenment]

27. No he relied on his kinfolk for loyalty and

used the ethnic divisions within Iraq to rule. The later phase of his regime was forced to adopt a less secular posture due to the growing influence of both sunni and shia fundamentalism across the region, but Iraq remained a relatively secular state until the end. In particular, women had more rights in Iraq than in practically any other muslim nation in the region. Of course we put an end to all of that and Iraq (or what is left of it) is currently ruled by a shiite religious political party. Once we bug out, and we will bug out, what forms after our departure is very likely to be theocratic.

[Deep13]

36. "Relatively secular"

I am not saying relying on sectarian bigotry was the only evil thing he did, but he did do that.

[endarkenment]

40. At this point I have no idea what you are saying.

Iraq was not a theocracy and in fact was a secular military dictatorship. 'sectarian bigotry' does not refute the fact that Iraq was a secular military dictatorship.

[Guava Jelly]

10. thank you!

They have nothing else to bitch about.
I have never seen so many so called democrats emulate republicans in my life.
And Obama's supporters were supposed to be the Kool-aide drunk cultist :eyes:
I hate the fact that these few spiteful petty souls are making me dislike Sen Clinton..It isn't fair to her.

[dbonds]

19. Don't assume they are democrats.

Many republicans are in sheep's clothing trying to create chaos. Limpnuts is spurring some of them on. Others are just trying to keep the primary going so McCain gets a free ride and we tear ourselves apart. Just put them on ignore. It only takes about 15 to 20 people on ignore and DU becomes a nice place again.

[Guava Jelly]

54. Thank you for reminding me

And you are of course correct

[OzarkDem]

13. I reject your premise

One statement is an accurate representation of what Obama said, the other is ridiculous as well as unsubstantiated.

[redqueen]

17. Irony.

[bunnies]

20. "ridiculous as well as unsubstantiated" ?!?!?!

Are you out of your frigging mind? What exactly about the OP's view of the Iraq war are you disagreeing with. I'd love to know.

[endarkenment]

14. I vote for the distraction!

Why bother getting offended by things relevant to the huge problems we face as a people, as a civilization, when there are all these lovely distractions to get offended by?

[redqueen]

18. Blowing billions bombing Iraq then sugar-coating it as if we did them a favor...

that's a distraction?

[Ichingcarpenter]

26. Terri Schiavo type anniversary thread

Meanwhile ............. Real shit is going down.

[endarkenment]

37. No that is mind bogglingly awful

So it is much easier to get offended by out of context word parsing and haircuts and delusional sniper attacks and sermons that offend white people, as all that stuff is easy. I'm lazy. I prefer getting offended by the distractions.

[sandnsea]

21. Oh jesus christ - a FORCED pregnancy would be punishment

FORCED. Do you get the difference between that and an unexpected pregnancy?

[redqueen]

24. "Unwanted" doesn't work for you?

I thought it fit...

:shrug:

[sandnsea]

33. No, FORCED is the word we're looking for

Because that's what he was talking about. He would hate for his daughters to make a mistake and be punished with a pregnancy - FORCED to carry a child. I don't think most parents ever feel their children are "punishments", even if they weren't planned. But I don't know how women would feel about children they were FORCED to carry.

[dogday]

22. Both

It is ridiculous... Let us get on to more important issues...

[Catherine Vincent]

25. Obama stuck his foot in his mouth, Obamawhinnies.

Deal with it. Geeze.

[Forkboy]

30. No, he didn't, and people like you thinking he did shows the depth of ignorance...

and the total lack of even a shred of integrity.

[ampad]

38. Don't forget maturity

Obamawhinnies?(sp) Is this the freaking 4th grade?

[Forkboy]

42. I don't mind the names, it's the intellectual void they should worry about.

These people really and truly are stupid. There's no other option left anymore.

[Catherine Vincent]

41. Yes, he did. nt

[Forkboy]

45. Keep digging and making yourself look like a true reject.

[Barack_America]

35. No he did not. The MSM is twisting statements coming from both candidates.

In order to create scandals for their own financial gain.

Congrats on falling for it.

[redqueen]

46. Has the media blasted Hillary for calling the Oil War that was based on lies "the gift of freedom"?

I don't remember the media banging that particular drum.

[Barack_America]

52. Well, no. That discussion has substance.

Where are the ratings in that?


:sarcasm:

[TwilightGardener]

57. No, he didn't--he was speaking in the context of being punished for

the mistake of unprotected teen sex by being forced to bear an unwanted child, or by contracting a disease. It's pretty clear what he meant, he was speaking of his own daughters, and only idiots or the intellectually dishonest would try to twist this into an "Obama thinks babies are punishments" meme.

[EmilyAnne]

44. Its just fake outrage. None of these people are truly offended by Obama's comments about forced

pregnancy. Furthermore, if they are intelligent enough to tap out legible words on a keyboard, they are intelligent enough to know what he really said. Its phony as hell and it won't stick, but, damn, its funny. Hillary supporters, I hardly knew ya.

[redqueen]

48. I hope you're right.

Some of the outrage seemed earnest.

[autorank]

47. K*R '"Freedom" isn't free.'

Now I know where that saying came from.

Excellent Socratic technique!

[Shakespeare]

49. And Fox news is groovy!

Yes, those posters are most definitely out of their everlovin' minds. :crazy:

[redqueen]

51. They're the only fair cable news channel!

Damn CNN and MSNBC! Thank goodness FAUX is here to save the day!

:wow:

:crazy:

[Mooney]

53. Thank you.

Hillary Clinton is my senator, and the fact that she cast that vote on my behalf makes it very difficult for me to take the Horrible Obama Scandals seriously.

[redqueen]

55. Offtopic, but...

love your sig. :D

[Mooney]

56. Thank you kindly n/t

[knixphan]

59. Nicely put, redqueen.

[redqueen]

60. Thank you.

My pleasure.