on the deeply moral issue of abortion, I think we can all trust...

[IndianaJones]

that women will make prayerful decisions.

Amen.

[bunnies]

1. I knew it was going to be this.

But I clicked on the thread anyway. Bad judgment on my part. :banghead:

[northzax]

2. what about non-praying women?

do they get to make decisions too? or just the religious ones?

[IndianaJones]

3. we trust them....its a matter of morality. nt

[northzax]

21. then why didn't you say that?

instead of using the language of religion?

and, by the way, not everyone makes moral decisions from every perspective.

[avrdream]

41. I think it was a reference back to when Barry went on the 700 Club show

and used the same word.

[anonymous171]

Prayerful can also mean "meditative or well thought-out"

[DearAbby]

7. exactly..........n/t

[northzax]

8. then say that

to use the word 'prayer' makes a direct connection to religion. just one more bit of bias against those who don't base their lives on poorly translated documents written by people who knew nothing but their own villages.

[anonymous171]

9. A lot of people are religious in America.

Speaking in this way allows him to connect with more people who may have never thought about abortion in that way.

[northzax]

18. and it tells me

along with the using of homophobic preachers, that I am not welcome in his movement. it's all good. I understand completely.

[anonymous171]

23. Whatever. You wouldn't support him anyway.

[northzax]

26. well, as long as all the godfearin' christians do

then who cares about the secular people? as W said, we aren't really Americans anyway, right?

[anonymous171]

27. WTF!? You know other religions advocate prayer right?

And, according to Bush's fundy (batshit insane) base, Catholics aren't Christians anyway. So I guess we are kind of in the same boat.

[northzax]

28. many of them do, yes

me, I'm just annoyed that I have no one to talk to during orgasms.

[anonymous171]

29. lol.

Thanks for the levity :)

[northzax]

34. there is enough seriousness here

someone has to remember it's just a website!

[Warren Stupidity]

33. It can also mean cheeseburger.

But to deny that it implies a religious deity worshiping event is also bullshit.

[niyad]

36. that comment was defended yesterday as reaching out to all the CHRISTIAN

people, no talk about other religions, or those who have no religion.

this comment of obama's was very disturbing to me.

[Georgie_92]

4. Is Obama pro life? Serious Question.

[anonymous171]

6. That was the Clinton smear BEFORE we discovered that he thought babies were a "punishement"

:rofl: Just like how he wasn't black enough and now he's TOO black. Just like how he was a closet conservative and now he's too LIBERAL. :rofl:

[Warren DeMontague]

10. That's it! Obama is TOO Pro-Choice AND too Anti-Choice... at the SAME TIME!

Clearly, he must not get the nomination! :rofl:

[DarienComp]

he loves Reagan, but he hates America...

Has there ever been a consistent line of attack against Obama? Just one?

edit: changed title so it doesn't repeat a previous post

[Warren DeMontague]

19. Loving Reagan was January, and Hating America is March.

You're not supposed to remember that far back.

[anonymous171]

22. Yeah, the Raygun Loving smear fed into the Closet Conservative smear.

Now that he is "TOO LIBERAL," we have to say that he hates America, and possibly dig up some connection he has with foreign countries (preferably France.) :rofl:

[anonymous171]

14. He's also a muslim and a crazy white-hating christian!

:rofl: This the problem with most of the Obama smears. They always end up contradicting each other.

[Warren DeMontague]

17. It's the "throw everything at the wall- and hopefully something will stick" strategy. nt

[DarienComp]

20. The Rorschach strategy?

[walldude]

40. Hey screw em' we stole the anti-baby vote right out from under them

While they were busy trying to secure Penn, you know the state that they "can't possibly lose", Obama was working hard on the anti-baby vote. Now we just need the serial killer vote. :evilgrin:

[cali]

5. You know what? I don't fucking appreciate you using

this issue in this way. I didn't like Obama's comment to the PTL but I like your disingenuous shit a lot less. Abortion is personal to me and your stupid post is offensive.

[JuniperLea]

11. How is it offensive?

How is it wrong to hope that all women who consider abortion consider it thoroughly and carefully before ending what could be a child's life?

[Warren DeMontague]

12. 1) It's not any of your business WHAT they do or how they do it, and 2) NOT EVERYONE "Prays".

Is that simple enough?

[JuniperLea]

16. No

And I didn't mention prayer in my post, now did I? I was intelligent enough to understand the broad reaching scope of what prayer means.

It is my business. If some woman gets an abortion without fully thinking it through, she will never be able to live with herself. That is damaging to society as a whole to have yet another depressed person weighing heavy on man and womankind.

There is nothing wrong with my post... you are grasping at straws... and very poorly grasping I might add.

[Warren DeMontague]

24. Wait a minute. What makes you think you are specially placed to decide for someone else

what constitutes "fully thinking it through" much less "never being able to live with herself"?

You're the one who is grasping at straws, trying to justify second-guessing other peoples' decisions and assuming you know better than they do what is going on in their own heads; or how to control their own lives and bodies.

That's the essence of being pro-choice; you realize that you are in charge of your OWN decisions, not everyone else's.

And silly me, when I see the word "prayer" I assume it means "prayer". This isn't some AA meeting where we're supposed to paper over the word "God" by assuming it means whatever we feel comfortable with it meaning.

Your original response was asking how the OP was offensive, and the OP says "prayerful".

If the point was that women should thoughtfully reflect before having an abortion, okay- but it's STILL a presumptuous attitude to take, implying that one "knows better" than "those people".

[niyad]

35. it isn't ANY of YOUR business how or why women make a decision to abort.

it isn't YOUR business to decide whether or not "she can live with herself" or "think it through" or whatever criteria YOU think are necessary. I have news for you, and all others who think they have a right to decide what happens in other people's lives. NONE of the women I know who have had abortions have EVER regretted their decisions, or gone through the agony and bs that the reichwing fundies whine about.

[Megahurtz]

39. It is NOT your business. n/t

[MonkeyFunk]

31. That is the correct answer

[stellanoir]

13. I've a friend who postulated this point. . .

She said we can control our reproductive function by merely being connected with our higher selves and affirming or disaffirming whether or not we want to conceive a baby.

You may think that's nutz but it sure beats all the other lunacy that hovers around this issue.

It renders it all to be mute.

So no one would believe it.

I, as a mother believe it to be true.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

15. It's their choice no matter how they reach it.

Morally, practically, irresponsibly, immorally, coin-toss, prayerfully, or whatever way they choose.

Preferably, without coercion from any quarter.

[MichaelHarris]

25. I prayed

for a new Leica lens last night. Son of a b*&^h didn't show up today.

[Warren Stupidity]

30. WTF?

I think not. And I also think that whether we can trust how an individual makes a private decision is none of our fucking business, pun intended.

[MonkeyFunk]

32. How silly

I don't care how they make the decision - flip a coin for all I care - it's their decision, nobody else's.

[Megahurtz]

37. You can't be serious.

[Vinca]

38. It won't matter if the decision is prayerful or not if a Republican is elected. nt