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[ProSense]

Obama has more (than Hillary):

• credibility
  
  
• cash on hand
  
  
• delegates
  
  
• votes

Wolfson: ‘Our cash flow is good’

By Klaus Marre
Posted: 03/31/08 03:43 PM

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s (D-N.Y) communications director Howard Wolfson said Monday that the former first lady’s presidential campaign is raising “a considerable amount of money” and that its “cash flow is good.”

Wolfson reacted to reports stating that the campaign was experiencing a cash crunch during the home stretch of the primary season.

“Our cash flow is good. Bills are being paid. We are continuing to raise a considerable amount of money. We had the best fundraising month in the campaign's history last month,” said Wolfson on MSNBC. “We are continuing to do well this month. The support that we’re receiving over the Internet especially is very, very strong.”

However, he noted that the Democratic front-runner, Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.), would again raise more money than Clinton in March and acknowledged that the former first lady is not yet on the air in Indiana and North Carolina, instead focusing on winning Pennsylvania.

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Hillary's campaign owes money:

• for her staff's health care coverage.
  
  
• to a local charity in St. Paul, MN.
  
  
• to her own high school.

From Hillary's site, the distortions:

Fact Check: Sen. Obama Accepts Over $1 Million From Subprime Lending Industry

Considering that Sen. Obama has received $1.18 million from subprime lenders and has taken more campaign contributions from the top ten issuers of subprime loans, that attack rings hollow as just words. Sen. Obama has a record of talking about standing up to special interests and then caving to their demands. Hillary has a 35-year record of standing up to special interests and delivering results.

Clinton campaign head made $200,000 with subprime lender

Hillary has done this sort of projecting before. Shetried to use Exelon to disingenuously attack Obama's nuclear plant bill (which she even falsely claims to have helped him introduce; she didn't sign on as a co-sponsor until 12 days later):

Washington, DC – Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) applauded the approval today by a key Senate committee of legislation to require nuclear plant operators to quickly notify the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC), the state and county in which the plant is located, of any leak of radioactive substances, such as the releases from the spent fuel pools at Indian Point that occurred last August. Senator Clinton joined Senator Obama in bringing the legislation to the Senate Environment and Public Works (EPW) Committee, where it was unanimously approved today.

“Local officials need to know when radioactive materials are leaked from any of New York's nuclear power plants, including Indian Point,” said Senator Clinton. “This important legislation will ensure prompt notification of any future leaks, and I will be working hard to move it through the full Senate.”

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Yet Hillary appears to have no problem with Mark Penn's Exelon ties.

Hillary's latest distortion. Shouldn't Hillary know this:

Fact check: Obama and oil money

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THE FACTS: True enough, Obama does not take money from oil companies. No candidate does. It is illegal for corporations to give money to politicians. Corporations, however, do have political action committees that collect voluntary donations from employees and then donate them to candidates. Obama doesn't take money from PACs. He also doesn't take money from lobbyists.

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Where are Hillary's 2000 to 2006 tax returns?



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[JeffR]

1. Spincoming!

3, 2, 1...

[merh]

17. Can I nominate your post for a duzy?

And where do I send the bill for the new keyboard? Sweet tea mmmmmmakess theeekkeysstick.

:silly:

[JeffR]

19. You're too kind.

I'm ineligible for a DUzy owing to my repeated prevarications about my experience in Bosnia, a county I have never actually been in.

[merh]

20. That doesn't matter as long as you didn't support NAFDA

:freak: wait a minute, I can't remember if it matters if you did or you didn't.

damn it the spins working *grumblegrumblegrumble*

I am woman hear me roar in numbers too big too ignore

[berni_mccoy]

30. LOL! NOW THAT'S A DUZY!

[OhioChick]

2. K&R

:kick:

[IDemo]

3. Credibility, cash on hand, delegates and votes no longer matter

:)

[40ozDonkey]

4. ...along with New Hampshire, Bosnia's respect, and February.

:D

[Debi]

14. Credibility is dead to Hillary Clinton!

:rofl:

[dchill]

39. Like small states, blue states, caucus states, elected

delegates, and the ability to count, credibility is not important.

[Debi]

42. And super delegates who are leaning the wrong way - but don't worry

Harold Ickes will let them know that the Rev. Wright controversy will not go away so they need to support the person who has won less contests, has less delegates, has raised less money and has a large amount of unpaid debt. Really, we all know it's the ONLY way she'll...er...I mean...WE'LL win in November.

[SunsetDreams]

5. Good luck with that...

some people have trouble with facts.

[ProSense]

11. That includes

some of the media pundits. They're talking about Obama's campaign as if he has the audacity to be leading. How dare he? :sarcasm:

[stop the bleeding]

6. What in the hell are you doing?

You know that facts just don't cut it here.

Bad ProSense Bad:spank:

[ProSense]

10. Hillary's campaign couldn't find a pair of

rose-colored glasses to fit me. :)

[bonito]

7. K&R

[azmouse]

8. I love your threads.

Keep 'em coming! :)

[ProSense]

9. Thanks!

Thanks all for the comments and recs.

[azmouse]

43. kick

[Erin Elizabeth]

12. Also, just in my humble opinion,

he has much more authenticity. That's something you can't just work on or develop, you are authentic and genuine or you aren't. I've always gotten this big fake/wearing a mask vibe off Clinton.

[Cha]

23. Yeah, he's very real.

That's one of the major reasons I like him.

[KAZ]

13. Ya know, I recommend just about every one of your OPs, but I've..

.. never stopped to say thanks. Thanks, for all you do.

[ProSense]

15. Thanks KAZ.

:hi:

[ClayZ]

16. K and R Thanks!

:kick:

[merh]

18. K&R

:kick:

and great post, thank you

[GeorgeGist]

21. Hope is free.

Obama has the audacity to sell it ... just like Mr. and Mrs. Clinton. Unravel that!

[kid a]

55. k

[dailykoff]

22. Why can't we all just get along?

Pointing out that Hillary is a Republican ringer is divisive.

:sarcasm:

[Infinite Hope]

24. I heard him this morning and wanted to kick his ass. Such manipulation of reality. n/t

[clevbot]

31. explain

[Scurrilous]

25. K & R

:thumbsup:

[FedoraLV]

26. Clear and succinct! /nt

[ProSense]

27. Clinton's Real Choice

Clinton's Real Choice

By E. J. Dionne Jr.
Tuesday, April 1, 2008; Page A17

Chill out.

More specifically: "We're going to win this election, if we just chill out and let everybody have their say."

Thus, Bill Clinton's advice to Democrats who are gnashing their collective teeth over whether the extended struggle between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama will cause their party to lose an election it once seemed certain to win.

One person who took Clinton's advice was Obama, who went out of his way last weekend to defend his opponent's right to stay in the contest. That was a shrewd move, since the Clinton campaign is gifted at turning any effort to push her out into (1) a form of sexism, (2) a fiendish plot against her by Washington "insiders" and (3) a way of raising lots of money online.

In any event, the argument about ending the race now is miscast...

<...>

For the long run, it is neither sexism nor insiderism to say that unless she sweeps in Pennsylvania and also in primaries in places such as Indiana and North Carolina, the decision to end the race by dropping out will fall upon Clinton.

But there is a more immediate question facing her: As long as she is in the race, how will Clinton choose to win? The Clinton campaign needs to examine not what this fight has done to Obama but what it is doing to her.

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[ProSense]

28. Want more proof that Factcheck.org is full of s***

Fact Check tries to cover for Hillary's SCHIP lie, but they find Obama's ad misleading


I'd say much like they did between Bush and Kerry, they're setting it up to give leeway to McCain vs. Obama.

[LanternWaste]

29. Actually, I s'pose that's not spin...

Spin: I voted, vote, and will vote my conscious-- which is not predicated on pie charts, bar graphs and editorials.

Actually, I s'pose that's not spin.

[ProSense]

32. Hillary still being disingenuous

Hillary Telling Local Media In Future Voting States That Obama Wants Race To End

By Greg Sargent - April 1, 2008, 11:04AM

Hillary appears to have adopted a concerted strategy of telling local media in states that will vote after Pennsylvania that Obama and his supporters are opposed to allowing those states' residents to vote.

Here's Hillary making that case in an interview with a local TV station in North Carolina...

(Video)

Hillary made similar comments to a Montana station, too, and to one in Indiana. These comments appear to be targeted towards local media; she hasn't to my knowledge gone this far in her speeches or in her comments to the national political press.

While it's true that Obama surrogates have called for her to drop out, the farthest that any Obama campaign official has gone is to say that Hillary almost certainly can't win the contest and that there should be a "sober" evaluation of her chances. And Obama himself has explicitly said she has a right to continue campaigning.

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[sofa king]

33. Holly flurking snit!

For those of us who are merely amused by this intra-party sniping, here's something that should make all of us happy:

John McCain

Total Receipts: $64,654,539
Total Spent: $56,657,944
Cash on Hand: $7,996,595
Debts: $4,340,981
Date of last report: February 29, 2008

That's right, if you combine the Clinton and Obama fundraising, they've collected FIVE TIMES AS MUCH MONEY as John McCain. Money being the true measure of political success in America, that spells very, very good news for us.

Okay, you can go back to your slap-fight now.

[ProSense]

34. McCain is a lousy candidate! n/t

[sofa king]

35. Heh. Fuckin' A.

That's the beauty of the little dust-up on this side. Whichever candidate wins the nomination, we get a first-class candidate.

They, on the other hand, get the guy who came in second place to the future Worst President Ever.

At the risk of repeating myself, I'll say again that I much prefer watching this little drama unfold rather than spending all spring reading spurious "Dem Nominee to Pick Asshole Conservative as Running Mate" stories. As you may recall, Kerry sewed up the nomination early in '04 and we had to spend months watching fools speculate that Kerry would pick as his running mate... John McCain.

[ProSense]

38. Yeah, President Obama sounds good. n/t

[dchill]

40. Not to worry - the media will help him...

make up for that.

[uponit7771]

36. WOW!!! That guy should be rolling in dough shouldn't he? He doesn't even have someone

...to snipe at 24/7...

There has to be something wrong with those numbers...

[sofa king]

37. Why, a Republican wouldn't conceal funding from the public... would he?

Start thinking like that and next thing you'll want to know is why John Ashcroft halted all investigation into al Qaeda's funding sources.

[grantcart]

41. you have nothing but hate filled numbers and hate filled graphs.

:sarcasm:

[ProSense]

45. I know, stop the hate, um, facts!

:sarcasm:

[cliffordu]

50. My facts hate more than your facts do....

:sarcasm:

[ProSense]

44. Obama 46, Clinton 43 (unchanged from last month)

New CBS/New York Times National Numbers

[ProSense]

46. Obama also has the best surrogate

Senator Kerry Hosts a Town Hall Meeting in Lansdowne

[quantass]

47. k&r

[4themind]

48. "They hate our facts!"

[BumRushDaShow]

49. Kick!

:kick:

[L0oniX]

51. Kick

[Jed Dilligan]

52. Good post, but I have a question

Why don't the PAC breakdown totals add up (even closely) to the PAC slice of the whole pie above?

[ProSense]

53. Guess Hillary's tall tales aren't that funny!

Rasmussen: Obama 51%, Hillary 41%

[ProSense]

54. NC gubernatorial candidates back Obama

Perdue backs Obama in mailer

[rinsd]

56. FactCheck: Obama and oil money

"Obama does not take money from oil companies. No candidate does. It is illegal for corporations to give money to politician"

IOW, its like saying I don't take money from foreign citizens when such compensation is illegal. It means nothing and in reality hides that he has in fact bbenefitted from the largess of oil companies thru their executives.

Fomr your link

"But he does accept money from executives and other employees of oil companies and two of his fundraisers are oil company executives. As of Feb. 29, Obama's presidential campaign had received nearly $214,000 from oil and gas industry employees and their families, according to an analysis by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics. Clinton had received nearly $307,000 from industry workers and their families and Republican Sen. John McCain, the likely GOP presidential nominee, received nearly $394,000, according to the center's totals.

Two of Obama's fundraisers are Robert Cavnar, the chairman and chief executive of Houston-based Mission Resources Corp., and George Kaiser, the president and CEO of Tulsa-based Kaiser-Francis Oil Co."

[ProSense]

57. Factcheck being disingenuous claiming that employees and their families = PACs and lobbyists.

It's BS. The trend with some of these established orgranizations is clear: protect McCain, protect the oil industry by creating the impression this is all wink-wink, confuse the issues because Obama is the presumptive nominee, and portray the Democrats as hypocrites. If anyone doubts that, check the misleading story that implies Democrats are invested heavily in defense companies. The fact is the companies they are referring to are not defense companies, but companies that supply food and other materials to the military (like Pepsi and Microsoft).

Their BS is not going to work. Factcheck get things right and sometimes they are wrong, as in 2004 when they claimed Bush's lies were minor embellishments, but portrayed Kerry's claim as exaggerated, such as when Kerry called out Bush for scheming to privatize Social Security if he got reelected.

Best BS deflector: Being informed.