Unplanned Babies a Punishment for Teens? Pat Robertson Should Endorse Obama

[NashVegas]

For that, no problems. Gerry Falwell would also agree if he were around, most likely.

[goldcanyonaz]

1. Abortion is also a "prayerful decision" Obama on 700 club.

He can pander with the best of them.

[NashVegas]

3. And STDs - They Too Are a Punishment

Crazy stuff, I tell ya.

[TheDonkey]

12. you think they are blessings? Give it up. Your smears are pathetic

but I guess better than "OMG McClurkens iz coming!"

[joshcryer]

44. Punishment implies fault for something.

There's nothing wrong with having sex. There's nothing wrong with getting STDs or getting knocked up.

There is something wrong with not teaching proper sex education.

[TheDonkey]

52. there is something wrong with getting an STD or getting knocked up without planning

when you have no proper education to that EDUCATES you about these dangers. STDs and unplanned pregnancies, there is nothing wrong with it? maybe not for you but for many these sort of things can negatively effect their lives in PROFOUND ways. That is why we need comprehensive sex ed to educate them about the realities of sex.

WHY WOULD YOU NEED SEX ED AT ALL IF THESE WERE NOT DANGERS THAT SHOULD BE AVOIDED!?!?!?!!!!??!

Who are you kidding? Yourself?

[joshcryer]

56. The point is fault is being misplaced. The right wing will blame the kid getting...

...knocked up or STDs.

A liberal would blame the society for failing that kid.

Do you get it?

Obama is saying they'd be punished for having a baby. I understand he's talking about that lack of education to begin with. But the right wing would use the same language to spout rhetoric about religion.

[TheDonkey]

71. *sigh* @#%!

YOU DO understand it.

The kids are being PUNISHED. This is not self-inflicted but burdens given to them by a society that would rather bury their heads in the sand and not discuss the consequences of unprotected sex (and there are many!) ie Abstinence only.

The truth is the truth. I see you agree with Obama. Set aside your want to bash him and be happy he is on the right side of this argument. We need to educate kids about the risks before it is too late rather than say "THAT IS WHAT YOU GET!" when reality strikes.

[joshcryer]

78. Meh, I only see that he used the word wrongly.

That's all.

[RaleighNCDUer]

57. If you think there is nothing wrong with getting a disease that can

maim or kill, or having an unplanned pregnancy that will change your life forever, then you are one sick fuck.

The crime is the deliberate withholding of sex education information that can prevent what can be tradgedies to normal people. The fault does not lie with the kids, but with the adults who would inflict these punishments on teens.

[joshcryer]

61. Punishment for what?

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[joshcryer]

85. Maybe I'll make the lists one day.

:hi:

[TheDonkey]

100. Don't bother. Disrupter delight is going on with this faux outrage crap

[azmouse]

2. The full quote:

"Look, I got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old," he said. "I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby. I don't want them punished with an STD at age 16, so it doesn't make sense to not give them information."


It's about sex education.
But don't let the facts stand in the way of creating yet another thread about this non-issue.

[Bok_Tukalo]

4. I agree but it is still a gaffe

A baby is a consequence of a mistake not a punishment.

Poor choice of words is all.

My opinion.

[JayFredMuggs]

8. And you ALWAYS make the right choice of words

Seven days a week, in five separate public appearances, in front of thousands of listeners.

You are perfect, Obama is "human", Hillary is a LIAR!

Simple as that!

[Bok_Tukalo]

OK

<OPE>

[writes3000]

16. It's not a gaffe. Obama's point is we shouldn't use these consquences as punishment. n/t

[NashVegas]

19. Yet, He Defines Them As a Punishment

[writes3000]

32. Actually, he does just the opposite.

Did Obama say "Babies are punishment"? Did he say "STDs are punishment"?

Or did he say "I don't want to use babies as punishment." "I don't want to use STDs as punishment."

Honestly, which version is closer to what he said?

I know it's hard - be honest.

[NashVegas]

41. Nice Gymnastics, But No Cigar

"Look, I got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old," he said. "I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby. I don't want them punished with an STD at age 16, so it doesn't make sense to not give them information."

[writes3000]

46. Critical thinking skills. Keep working on them. They're your friend. n/t

[rocktivity]

94. This statement dovetails perfectly into his pro-choice, pro sex-ed stance

"Look, I got two daughters — 9...and 6 years old...I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby. I don't want them punished with an STD at age 16, so it doesn't make sense to not give them information."

What's wrong with this? Unplanned parenthood and STDs ARE punishment if you DON'T have access to reproductive choice and sex education! Is this what all the fuss has been about?

:eyes:
rocknation

[Bok_Tukalo]

25. I did not get that from what he said

I thought he was talking about ignorance and education being the best way to combat it.

[writes3000]

40. Yes to your last sentence AND he doesn't want this country to use STDs and pregnancies as...

as a way to "teach a lesson" or punish those who are ill-informed or who make a mistake.

He's not saying babies and STDs are punishments.

He's saying the country shouldn't treat them as punishments.

[NashVegas]

65. You Are Twisting His Words Into Something You Think Is Pretty, But It's Not What You'd Like

When it comes specifically to HIV/AIDS, the most important prevention is education, which should include -- which should include abstinence education and teaching the children -- teaching children, you know, that sex is not something casual. But it should also include -- it should also include other, you know, information about contraception because, look, I've got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby. I don't want them punished with an STD at the age of 16. You know, so it doesn't make sense to not give them information."

Barack Obama referred to the potential consequences of unprotected sex as "punishment."

[azmouse]

17. So Dems should jump all over him?

Wrong. The enemy is McSame.

[Bok_Tukalo]

27. No. They should not in the sense that they get shrill about it

Nor should they ignore it for what it was.

Candidates make gaffes. It is not ununsual to call them on it. It makes the candidate better. Forgiving or ignoring everything just makes them weak.

[azmouse]

29. How about acknowledging what was said in proper context?

That's all I'm asking and expecting of Democrats here.

[Bok_Tukalo]

36. I acknowlege what he was saying in context and get it

Saying he chose his words poorly and said something that is concerning is not ignoring that.

[Bok_Tukalo]

38. Delete

Dupe

[Orangepeel]

35. Plenty of fundies think babies should be punishment for sex

which the OP points out, except that he/she has what Obama said ass-backwards.

[RaleighNCDUer]

75. Being dragged out of bed for a 3AM feeding for the 20th consecutive

night may not be a punishment but it sure as fuck feels like one. Ask ANY parent, willing or not.

Your life being changed from worrying about nothing more than if you can get that 15 cent/raise at McDonalds, to knowing you have a kid who is going to nail you in place for the next 20 years, may not be a punishment, but it sure as fuck feels like one.

And if it could have been prevented by the simple expedient of quality sex ed, then ISN'T it punishing the kids for somebody ELSE'S twisted agenda?

THAT is the point here - the 'morally correct' people who think people need to be punished for having sex WANT kids to get babies and STDs to teach them the folly of their ways. That's why the very people who most decry teen pregnancy and STDs are always the same people who keep the kids from preventing the same.

[Heathen57]

99. In many circles, especially fundamentalist religious

circles, a young girl being pregnant (and forced against her will to have the child) IS a punishment. It is a symbol of her not following the rules of the cult and a visible reminder for all to see.

[NashVegas]

5. The Guy Described Teen Pregnancy and STDs as Punishment

Just as women-hating preachers of the past (and, unfortunately, present) have called them punishment.

[azmouse]

10. ...

:eyes: Yeah. I know. You hate Obama.

[writes3000]

11. You do understand that he's arguing AGAINST that kind of thinking.

Or has your hatred effected your comprehension of his statement?

[sandnsea]

23. They're so sick they just don't care anymore

I've never seen anything like this. The Kerry/Dean fights never got like this. It's unreal.

[NashVegas]

31. No, He Was Arguing FOR Sex Education

And yet appears to perceive the end result - punishment - no differently from the average CC.

[writes3000]

43. Incorrect. If he believed they were acceptable types of punishment, he wouldn't have disagreed.

His key words = "I don't want"

Those words negate your argument.

You're wrong. And deep down, I think you know it.

[Forkboy]

6. How did I know you'd join in on the Shallow Idiot Bandwagon on this?

[NashVegas]

9. It's Valid Criticism

and if that makes me a shallow idiot, hand me my dunce's cap.

[TheWraith]

13. No, it's not, because you're completely wrong about what was said.

Please try reading the actual quote.

Oh, wait--you were just trying to smear Obama. Nevermind.

[JayFredMuggs]

14. Not shallow, but pretty hyper critical when you...

ALWAYS make the right choice of words

Seven days a week, in five separate public appearances a day, in front of thousands of listeners.

You are perfect, Obama is "human", Hillary is a LIAR!

Simple as that!

[Forkboy]

24. .....

[Liberal Veteran]

37. Screw Obama! My advanced HIV disease has been a true blessing!

Sure, sometimes it was a little hard when my health was good, but it was all worthwhile when I weighed 110 pounds and had pneumonia and couldn't swallow because of a candida infection in my throat and only had 22 tcells left.

Every day when I swallow my medications, I remind myself how lucky and blessed I am to have AIDS. Whenever I think about starting my own business or retiring, I can sit back and think about how wonderful my life will be without the ability to purchase my meds with money I would probably just waste on food or clothing or something silly like that.

Obviously, I could never vote for anyone who hates unplanned consequences of unprotected sex!

[joshcryer]

50. So whose fault was it?

Yours for having unprotected sex? Or your societies because it didn't provide you with the education and resources to prevent such a thing from occuring?

[Liberal Veteran]

67. It was my own damned fault for being so trusting when I was 20 years old in 1985.

I knew what AIDS was, but I was stupid and believed that it happened to other people or in big cities. I was my first romance and I made a pretty poor choice being caught up in the blinders that often come with being young, inexperienced, and deeply infatuated.

And yes, I consider AIDS a punishment for that lapse in judgment. I don't think I deserved it, by any stretch, but call it what you will. A punishment. A consequence. An unexpected benefit. Whatever you want to call it, it fucking sucks.

[joshcryer]

84. I'm sorry you blame yourself when your society is the failure.

I'm sorry you blame yourself for acting naturally within your own human instincts only you be completely obliterated by the culture that you inhabit. Your society failed you, you didn't!

No one deserves such "punishments."

[joshcryer]

48. Do you have anything other than pointless flamebait to contribute?

[Forkboy]

70. Yes, when the people I'm responding to aren't idiots.

:hi:

[enki23]

7. er... pat would be with *you *on this. all the way.

it's a fucking blessing for the lovely little accidental teenaged mothers and fathers to force them into carrying an unwanted pregnancy to term, whether by prohibiting them from ending the pregnancy or by keeping important information from them that might have helped them avoid the unplanned pregnancy in the first place.

when someone doesn't want a baby, and you pursue policies that will make them more likely to have one they don't want, how is that not a fucking negative? if you don't want it, and someone tricks, or forces you into having it, "punishment" is a perfectly adequate word.

i can't for the life of me figure out where you... people are coming up with this horseshit. i really can't.

[NashVegas]

15. So You Agree, Then, Pat Robertson Would Endorse Obama

thanks.

[enki23]

21. are you smarter than a fifth grader?

it's not just a television program anymore. reading comprehension, people. either you're being *deliberately* dense, or you're just dense. according to the rules of the site, i have to conclude you're being deliberately dense. presumably in some poorly-constructed attempt to be cute.

it's not working.

[sandnsea]

18. Teens "shouldn't" be punished with babies and STD's

He said the exact opposite of Robertson and Falwell. Thank you for pointing it out.

[NashVegas]

28. He Used Their Language, Exactly

Although he was plugging sexual education, his referring to the end results as "punishment" is the same reference preaching prudes have used for centuries.

[sandnsea]

34. Yeah, to point out that it's WRONG

Hello?????

[Forkboy]

45. These people are thicker than a whale omelet.

[Lerkfish]

20. lessee.... mass infestation of DU with manufactured outrage... check!

didn't you think you guys could have combined all 49 clueless threads together

[azmouse]

26. I'm beginning to miss the poem.

[tabasco]

22. Almost pathetic. Keep trying. The faux outrage is almost entertaining.

:boring:

[jgraz]

30. Another attempt to answer the question: What's under the bottom of the barrel?

:puke:

[Yes We Did]

33. You guys sure do like to make something out of nothing...

You will even take comments made by different people at different times that have absolutely nothing to do with each other and spin them together.

Wow, they weren't kidding about Clinton's base being uneducated. I didn't think you were actually mentally handicapped though.

[Lord Helmet]

39. oh brother, that's some backwards way of lookign at it

[thevoiceofreason]

42. Let's start a fund for reading comprehension for crisco - here's a buck

[writes3000]

47. I'll donate ten. It's going to be expensive. n/t

[GoneOffShore]

102. Lost cause there

Even with education, there is no hope for willful stupidity.

As someone said, you can fix ugly, but you can't fix stupid.

[Life Long Dem]

49. Can we stick to the issues? This OP has nothing to do with any truth.

There's just too much sadness going on in the world for someone to be smearing bullshit over Gerry Falwell.

River Of Death Divides America And Iraq

[Firespirit]

51. Punishment = negative consequence

I'm not a psychologist, but geez, that's basic terminology in behavior studies. Rewards and punishments, y'know?

Today seems to be the day for the DU Anal Retentive Squad.

:eyes:

[joshcryer]

53. The point is many right wingers would agree that a child is punishment for sex.

It's a very true statement.

[Firespirit]

62. The right wingers see it in a different light

For them it is about God punishing a "slut." It's "justice" and deserved.

Obama obviously does not hold that view. He is using the normal, secular definition of the word, meaning a negative result brought about by some action.

You know it, I know it, and the OP knows it. There is NO issue here.

[Life Long Dem]

54. Websters dictionary

Punish: to impose a penalty on for a fault
Penalty: disadvantage, loss, or hardship due to some action.

[anonymous171]

55. And the punishment that is given to our children by n ot providing them with adequate education is

pregnancy and STDs.

[Firespirit]

58. I agree -- I'm on Obama's side

Just residually ticked about an earlier flamewar over anally retentive word-parsing.

[anonymous171]

63. Oh I know. I just thought I could add to your though there.

:hi:

[joshcryer]

59. Yeah, because it's *their* fault they do a natual act. It's not *our* fault because we *failed* them

What a fucking joke. I thought this place had liberals.

[anonymous171]

64. No. It is our fault because we never taught them how to use protection.

[joshcryer]

69. One is punished for their own fault, not the fault of others.

[anonymous171]

74. So young adults can just magically get sex education from thin air?

Or do they control their curriculum?

[joshcryer]

87. Harmed or hurt or pained would be much better discriptors.

Punishment implies fault. I don't think a kid getting knocked up or STDs is at fault for such an action, since they are merely acting out natural instincts, like having sex.

[Firespirit]

90. Answer me this

If Obama is some sort of fundy, like you Hillaryites want to paint him as, WHY is he advocating something to AVOID and CIRCUMVENT "God's punishment for having sex"?












...Unless maybe he isn't doing that at all, because he didn't use the word to mean "justice" in any way shape or form.

[joshcryer]

92. Oh, I'm not saying he's a fundie, I'm saying he's chosing his words wisely.

Had he actually said "harmed" or "pained" or "hurt" then we'd know, explicitly, that he was talking about unplanned pregnancies or STDs and condom usage.

But because he says "punish" he is sending signals to those right wingers that make them think twice.

He's brilliant at wording things this way.

[NashVegas]

66. It Used to Have Liberals

Then it had a groovy candidate with a freakish tendency to go out of his way to appeal to RW voters, and some liberals needed to be a little more intellectually ... flexible ... to rationalize their support.

[anonymous171]

68. Which candidate is being attacked for reinforcing their support of abortion rights?

[joshcryer]

73. Actually, there's a huge thread here dismissing that it was about abortion rights.

Just so you know.

[anonymous171]

77. god, they're back.

[joshcryer]

80. It was Obama supporters.

[Forkboy]

79. Don't be so hard on yourself.

[Liberal Veteran]

72. So then you would agree they are being punished for OUR failings?

By having unwanted pregnancies and STDs?

[joshcryer]

76. How can you be punished for *my* failing?

[Liberal Veteran]

83. The same way I could be punished for malfeasance on the part of my companies CEO.

If he breaks the law and causes my company to go under, I am being punished for his crimes.

[Firespirit]

86. Well said

This person still hasn't addressed my point I made upthread, that Obama was speaking of a "negative result" and not "divine justice" when he used the word punish. Go figure.

[joshcryer]

89. Perhaps you should understand the definition more.

1 a: to impose a penalty on for a fault, offense, or violation b: to inflict a penalty for the commission of (an offense) in retribution or retaliation

I was beat with the belt as a kid. I learned quickly how to "behave" to avoid getting beat by a belt. Because I was at fault for something I wasn't "supposed" to do.

[Firespirit]

91. Look at definition 2, k?

2 a: to deal with roughly or harshly b: to inflict injury on : hurt


Nice bit of selective quoting.

And incidentally, what your parents did qualifies as child abuse today. I am sorry that it happened to you and see how the word "punishment" could be distorted as a result.

[joshcryer]

93. The dictionary picks most common and least common usage. If he meant that why didn't he just say...

...'hurt' instead, since they are synonyms? Because he wanted to send a signal. "Yes people getting knocked up or STDs are being punished for their deed."

[Firespirit]

96. I'm glad to know you're privy to the inner workings of his mind.

You still didn't answer me... If he wants to appeal to people who think that pregnancy and STDs are justly deserved by people who have sex, WHY would he advocate something to teach people how to "commit the sin" (sex) and avoid the "just punishment"?

[joshcryer]

88. No, you are being hurt or harmed for his crimes.

Unless you want to invent some level of complicity in his acts, which many self-loathing liberals do, then you are not being punished because it's not your fault.

[elixir]

60. K&R

[Maddy McCall]

81. "AIDS is the punishment for gay sex." Said in Sunday School at my former church.

I left the church and never looked back.

[Liberal Veteran]

95. AIDS is punishment on society as a whole for engaging in a bullshit argument....

....over vague ideas about morals and divine justice when we should have been worrying about how to stop the spread of the disease.

And that, my dear, is exactly what you are doing with this flimsy piece of sophistry and hairsplitting over context.

You care more about bringing down Obama and getting on a high horse than just accepting that unwanted pregnancies and STDs are a terrible thing.

By politicizing this quibble over a choice of phraseology, you are engaging in EXACTLY the same kind of behavior that the right wing was playing in the 80's when HIV was spreading and my friends were dropping like flies, which was about the same time I got infected with HIV. Instead of worrying about the real issue of the suffering and heartbreak and death caused by our failure as a society to address these as medical problems, you want to pounce on this when you know damned well what he meant whether you agreed with choice of words or not.

Have you no sense of decency?

[Maddy McCall]

97. You are not keeping up with my posts.

Do a search.

[Liberal Veteran]

98. I have been keeping up with it.

It's a distraction. It's faux outrage. It is hairsplitting. It is sophistry. And it's unworthy of you.

[NashVegas]

104. Language Matters

Or the RW fanboys wouldn't be doing leaps and twists to discredit Noam Chomsky.

[stillcool]

101. Unplanned prengancy's can be..

a real bitch for everyone. Keep in mind these are government statistics. Just imagine what the real numbers are...

• In 2000, 1.5 million U.S. children had an incarcerated parent. Between 1990-2001, the number of women in prison increased by 106%.
• In 1995, 12% of children in foster care had not received routine health care. 90% had not received services to address developmental delays.
• Between 1992-2002, the number of infants and toddlers entering foster care increased by 110%.
• In 1993, more than 60% of the homeless population in NYC municipal shelters were former foster youth.
• According to a 1999 report, less than 50% of foster youth had graduated from high school, compared to 85% of the general population.

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There are more than half a million children and youth in the U.S. foster care system, a 90% increase since 1987.Three of 10 of the nation’s homeless are former foster children.
A recent study has found that 12-18 months after leaving foster care:
27% of the males and 10% of the females had been incarcerated
33% were receiving public assistance
37% had not finished high school
50% were unemployed
Children in foster care are three to six times more likely than children not in care to have emotional, behavioral and developmental problems,

A study by the National Center for Mental Health and Juvenille Justice found 70% of these youth meet the criteria for at least one mental health disorder. What's worse is that 36% of the parents of these youth intentionaly involved the juvenille justice system to access mental health services...some 12,700 children were places in either child welfare, or the juvenilled justice systems to access mental health systems (U.S. GAO 2003) Of course, the U.S. DOJ in recent investigations into the conditions in these juvenille detention and correctional facilities, found inadequate access to treatment, inappropriate use of medications, and neglect of suicide attempts nationwide (U.S.DOJ 2005).
---80 percent of prison inmates have been through the foster care system.

* 872,000 children and youth were confirmed victims of abuse or neglect in the United States in 2004.

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/stats_research/afcars/statistics/entryexit2005.htm
Foster Care in the Year 2020 (if nothing changes in child welfare trends)
Children who will experience the foster care system Over 9,000,00014
Children who will age out of the foster care system 300,00015
Foster youth aging out of the system that will experience homelessness 75,00016
Foster youth aging out of the system that graduate from college 9,00017
Number of children killed by abuse or neglect 22,50018
http://www.casey.org/MediaCenter/MediaKit/FactSheet.htm

In 1999, an estimated 3,244,000 children were reported to Child Protective Services (CPS) agencies as alleged victims of child maltreatment. Child abuse reports have maintained a steady growth for the past ten years, with the total number of reports nationwide increasing 45% since 1987 (Nation Committee for the Prevention of Child Abuse (NCPCA) 2000 Annual Fifty State Survey).
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In 1999, an estimated 1,401 child abuse and neglect related fatalities were confirmed by CPS agencies, nearly 4 every day. Since 1985, the rate of child abuse fatalities has increased by 39%. Based on these numbers, more than three children die each day as a result of child abuse or neglect (NCPCA's 1996 Annual Fifty State Survey).

The U.S. Advisory Board reported that near fatal abuse and neglect each year leave "18,000 permanently disabled children, tens of thousands of victims overwhelmed by lifelong psychological trauma, thousands of traumatized siblings and family members, and thousands of near-death survivors who, as adults, continue to bear the physical and psychological scars. Some may turn to crime or domestic violence or become abusers themselves (U.S. Advisory Board on Child Abuse and Neglect, 1995 report, A National's Shame.)"
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Finding of the NIS-3:

* The estimated number of children seriously injured by all forms of maltreatment quadrupled between 1986 and 1993, from 141,700 to 565,000 (a 299% increase).
* Considering the Harm Standard:
* The estimated number of sexually abused children increased 83%;
* The number of physically neglected children rose 102%;
* There was a 333 % increase in the estimated number of emotionally neglected children; and
* The estimated number of physically abused children rose 42%.

Poverty is significantly related to incidence rates in nearly every category of maltreatment. Compared to children whose families earned $30,000 or more, children in families with annual incomes below $15,000 were:

* More than 22 times more likely to experience maltreatment under the Harm Standard and 25 times more likely under the Endangerment Standard.
* More than 44 times more likely to be neglected, by either definitional standard.
* Over 22 times more likely to be seriously injured using either definitional standard.
* 60 times more likely to die from maltreatment under the Harm Standard.


(Executive Summary of the Third National Incidence Study of Child Abuse and Neglect, September 1996 and Reid, T. (1996). News NIS-3 Data. APSAC Advisor, 9 (3).)
Children whose parents abuse drugs or alcohol are put at a greater risk for violent victimization (National Commission on Children, 1993).

With the exception of homicide, children and youths suffer more victimization than do adults in virtually every category, including physical abuse, sibling assault, bullying, sexual abuse, and rape (American Psychological Association Commission on Violence and Youth, 1993).

It is estimated that children with disabilities are 4 to 10 times more vulnerable to sexual abuse than their non-disabled peers (National Resource Center on Child Sexual Abuse, 1992).

In over 9000 divorces in 12 states, child sexual abuse allegations were made in less then 2% of contested divorces involving child custody (Association of Family Conciliation Courts, 1990).

Survivors:
It is estimated that there are 60 million survivors of childhood sexual abuse in America today (Forward, 1993)

Long term effects of child abuse include fear, anxiety, depression, anger, hostility, inappropriate sexual behavior, poor self esteem, tendency toward substance abuse and difficulty with close relationships (Browne & Finkelhor, 1986).

Clinical findings of adult victims of sexual abuse include problems in interpersonal relationships associated with an underlying mistrust. Generally, adult victims of incest have a severely strained relationship with their parents that is marked by feelings of mistrust, fear, ambivalence, hatred, and betrayal. These feelings may extend to all family members (Tsai and Wagner, 1978).

Guilt is experienced by almost all victims (Tsai and Wagner, 1978).

If a child victim does not resolve the trauma, sexuality may become an area of adult conflict (Courtois & Watts, 1982).

Adults who viewed domestic violence in the home as children have a greater difficulty holding jobs, maintaining relationships with their peers and have a higher risk of developing mental health disorders (Patterson, 1992).

Nationwide, researchers, practitioners, and policymakers are increasingly focusing on a growing tragedy—large numbers of youth with mental health problems becoming involved in the juvenile justice system. A recent study by the National Center for Mental Health and Juvenile Justice
found approximately 70% of the youth in residential juvenile justice settings meet criteria for at least one mental health disorder(Shufelt &Cocozza, 2006).

[NashVegas]

103. A Bitch? Sure. An Unfortunate Consequence To Be Dealt With? Absolutely

But it's fundies who call an out-of-wedlock pregnancy or an STD, "punishment."

[stillcool]

105. yeah...a real bitch...

I grew up in a foster home...it was a real bitch. Did I say something wrong?