The woman is a pathological liar. She. Just. Never. Stops. Lying.

[Diane R]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/01/us/politics/01campaign.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

"While campaigning in Pennsylvania, Mrs. Clinton was also conducting satellite interviews with television stations in North Carolina, Montana and Indiana, which vote after Pennsylvania, and she tried to turn recent calls for her concession by Obama supporters into a motivating force for voters.

“I didn’t understand why Senator Obama and some of his supporters wanted to prevent you and other states from actually being able to vote,” she told a television station in Wilmington, N.C. (Mr. Obama has said that she should stay in the race.)"


This is one of her favorite tactics...telling a crowd that Obama said, or did, something to them that he never said or did, then telling them she will stand up for them. And, she does it with that indignant, bug-eyed look of hers. It has honestly become fascinating, to watch this woman lie repeatedly, daily, hourly, with absolutely no hint of embarrassment or shame. It's absolutely stunning.

[Skittles]

1. she's a POLITICIAN

SO IS HE - stop acting so f***ing NAIVE

[Garbo 2004]

8. Have 7 yrs of baldfaced lying and then lying about lying by Bush/Cheney set the bar so low

that this sort of thing is just accepted as "politics as usual?"

I guess so.

[Skittles]

10. ALL POLITICIANS LIE

EVERY G.D. ONE OF THEM

[Garbo 2004]

11. Yeah but some lies insult intelligence more than others. So how does this portend for the kind of

administration we could expect? Four more years of "cue the tape" and "I misspoke?" Jeebus.

[Skittles]

12. it's what happens when you let the corporate media pick the candidates

THEY SUCK

[Barrymores Ghost]

130. So, you're defending her by asserting they ALL suck?

Wow...talk about the banality of evil where it comes to low expectations.

[CitizenRob]

79. Her problem is that she doesn't lie well. If she were the nominee she'd be labeled dishonest day 1.

[barb162]

86. And the lies just roll off Obama's forked tongue.

[CitizenRob]

93. Well, as the Hillbots have said "It's politics" and apparently he's better at than she is.

[Barrymores Ghost]

131. Source? Thanks. n/t

[barb162]

81. Obama's lies get on my nerves because they're a lot larger

than Clinton's.

[gabeana]

90. Name one larger

than ducking sniper fire in Bosnia?

[barb162]

91. Saying he didn't know about Wright's sermons.

Saying he doesn't have records from his 8 years in the IL legislature.
His lies about his ties to Rezko and his constant minimizing of those ties,
ETC.
riggghhhhtttt.

[gabeana]

92. Those so called lies have been debunked on this board

but for arguments sake, why are those bigger than Bosnia?

[DemVet]

96. No, they have not been debunked.

All of the lies named WERE actual lies.

[ksquire]

138. I can debunk them for you...

It's quite simple. The exact words of that sermon he had not heard. He wasn't there. I think the honest disagreement may be which part of it do we think is "repulsive?". The Goddamn American part is, I assume what most people say, although MANY ultra-right people have said basically the same thing (eg this country is going to hell). If you think that the part he hadn't heard was black anger against America, well quite possibly he had heard that, as one can hear that in MANY churches (and indeed in many black barbershops, salons, and college classrooms).

I think the bigger issue is why he didn't stand up and defend his pastor, who himself was 95% accurate (and the AIDs thing is ultimately unprovable of course).

If someone wanted to criticize Obama for not just standing up for his pastor and saying, "look -- racism has set back blacks in this country 100s of years, and does to this day via white flight, etc." I would have liked that.

[barb162]

97. In your dream his lies have been debunked

Come on, he doesn't know where his records are? He changes his stories faster than olympic sprinters.

[gabeana]

99. come on now

On Wright
"Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes," he said in his speech yesterday in Philadelphia."

"His initial reaction to the initial ABC News broadcast of Rev. Wright's sermons denouncing the U.S. was that he had never heard his pastor of 20 years make any comments that were anti-U.S. until the tape was played on air."

Where is the lie on this

now for Rezko

"Obama offered a lengthy and, to us, plausible explanation for the presence of now-indicted businessman Tony Rezko in his personal and political lives.

The most remarkable facet of Obama's 92-minute discussion was that, at the outset, he pledged to answer every question the three dozen Tribune journalists crammed into the room would put to him. And he did."

Snip//

"Less protection, less control, would have meant less hassle for his campaign. That said, Barack Obama now has spoken about his ties to Tony Rezko in uncommon detail. That's a standard for candor by which other presidential candidates facing serious inquiries now can be judged."

Less protection, less control, would have meant less hassle for his campaign. That said, Barack Obama now has spoken about his ties to Tony Rezko in uncommon detail. That's a standard for candor by which other presidential candidates facing serious inquiries now can be judged.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-0316edit1mar16,0,2616801.story

State Senate files
Summary: The Associated Press reported that Sen. Barack Obama "says he can't step up and produce his own records from his days in the Illinois state Senate. He says he hasn't got any." But Obama did not claim that the documents do not exist. In fact, the article quoted Obama saying: "I don't have -- I don't maintain -- a file of eight years of work in the state Senate because I didn't have the resources available to maintain those kinds of records."
http://mediamatters.org/items/200711150016

Now you are probably going to say these are not suffiiciently debunk (eventhough they did), because you and your like are bias just like the otherside, but again tell me how are these worse than Hillary's bosnia lie, thats what I asked earlier, and thats what I thought you were going to respond to. Hillary assertion is clearly a lie, there is video proof,

Now if this was reversed you would honestly tell me you wouldn't be outraged if Obama lied on Bosnia

[youngharry]

145. A big lie

You just TOLD A BIG LIE. Obama didn't say he didn't know about Wright's Speech. He said HE WASN'T THERE. I think you are a republican sent to DU for disinformation purposes. Tel e you aren't.

[coalition_unwilling]

107. Or than being 'misled" on pre-war intelligence about Iraq's WMD programs. Give

me a break!

[youngharry]

144. Obama lies?

Your example of an Obama lie is?

[baldguy]

33. That's a conservative meme,

The rest of it is "So why not vote for my guy? He's not hypocritical about it." It's designed to put the worst people is office, instead of the best.

All politicians lie. Why? Because all humans lie. But you've got to look at why they lie: either they have to or they want to.

Most politicians are like most people: they only lie when they have to. Obama is like most politicians.

Hillary is one of the few people who lie because they like to lie. If given a choice between a harmless truth and a harmless lie, she will choose the lie. If the lie is advantageous to her, or the truth is harmful, that gives her even more incentive to spin a lie.

[demokatgurrl]

104. In fact, I've seen that one in support of McCain

Can't find a link now but I think it was on the NY Times, and probably other places. Some columnists defended McCain's pandering and waffling and changing his tune depending on the audience, on the ground that McCain "seemed to be uncomfortable" doing it.

[cali]

46. I've never heard Bernie lie

and Pat doesn't do much of that either. In fact, it's nearly impossible to be a successful pol in VT and lie.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

100. but this one is really low because Obama said she should stay in the race

Obama needs to bring this up and also in the debate.

[RaleighNCDUer]

134. You're cynical enough to be a libertarian.

WTF are you doing on a PROGRESSIVE board, where people believe in the power of positive governance, in accordance with high ethical standards?

Are you just visiting?

[ksquire]

136. A product of the Clinton era, apparently nt

[pathansen]

51. This post is inaccurate - Obama did not want Fla & Michigan votes to count

[SwampG8r]

28. more Clinton Projection Syndrome

or CPS
it is evidenced by taking facts and reversing them to fit the argument
thereby framing it to your advantage

ie:
obama's supporters keep repeating their new rules for super-delegates = trying to game the rules at every opportunity to defy the democratic process and constantly move the goalposts
obama lies= snipergate
obama is in with the RW = press conference kissy faces with the MSM and Sciafe
obama is bad for the party = endorse the republican over obama
obama is tearing the party apart = tear the party apart with attacks on fellow dems by carville et al.


i think you see the pattern of CPS and probably have examples of CPS in action.
but
it isnt all bad,you can help
a small donation to obama 08 will help to return the center of this horrible dysfunction to chapaqua NY where hopefully it can be quarantined and cured.

[JackORoses]

53. This is an obnoxious Hillarite meme

Everybody is a Liar, so it's alright that Hillary is one.

Can you ever just face up to the disgusting dishonesty that she displays?

[goletian]

65. youre the fucking naive one.

politicians are supposed to be clever in how they word things so not to be held accountable for perceived promises, outright lies are another issue.

[sandnsea]

73. So is this what you've been fighting for??

For all these years? Politics as usual?

No, he does not lie about Hillary. Not every politician lies.

[khaos]

148. every politician lies; no exceptions

[Duncan]

77. It is not "acting naive" to call someone on a lie.

Its defeatist to say nothing though.

To bad the press didn't call her on it on the spot.

[CitizenRob]

82. Especially when she can't even be bothered to tell lies that aren't so obviously lies.

She is so insulting to us as Democrats.

[barb162]

80. Thank you, Skittles. How true.

:hi:

[redqueen]

83. Not all lies are equal. Some are so bold-facedly STUPID that they are an insult to even the dumbest

voter's intelligence.

GOOD politicians can do the spin thing with skill and finesse... then there's the other kind.

[NickMorgan]

124. grow up

Many politicians lie a little, some lie a lot, and a minority lie on any occasion they believe is more advantageous than harmful to their prospects. Hillary lies so much she even does it when it hurts her. She lies to cover up lies. She lies reflexively, without a flinch. She tells white lies and dirty lies. She lies even when she knows that everyone knows she is lying.

Why do all these politicians lie, and why do some, like Hillary, lie so much? Because of smug, complacent apologists like you, Skittles, who don't have the spine to stand up and say we WON'T TOLERATE THIS KIND OF LYING ANY MORE, not after EIGHT HORRIBLE YEARS of an administration MORALLY DIVORCED FROM THE TRUTH. Hillary Clinton, I'm sure, was once an honorable person. Now she is identical to George W. Bush except she's liberal (and sometimes smart).

[Barrymores Ghost]

132. So you defend her by saying "they all are?"

You are a fucking tool. And a fool.

[crankychatter]

2. This from a blogger at CD

The following are the diagnostic criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder, as well as a good description of Hillary Rodham Clinton:

A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

1. has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
2. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
3. believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
4. requires excessive admiration
5. has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
6. is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
7. lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
8. is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

[DerekJ]

16. She must be a severe case then. She has all 9 of them

[crankychatter]

27. I don't have an opinion about the technical stuff...

but it is like reading a spooky horoscope, eh?

[proud2BlibKansan]

47. I have been saying this for months now!

Her entire campaign is suffering from narcissism!! ME! ME! ME! You must vote for me because I am ME! I am important!! How dare you think anyone else is more worthy!!! How sexist of you!!

Classic. Narcissism.

[Diane R]

101. I do believe she is a narcissist. And we can't afford to have two narcissistic presidents in a row.

[rodeodance]

3. BO did the same--after Tellling Hillary we can put the Muslim gard issue

behind them--he went out on the stump and brought it up (Mississippi I believe).

[DerekJ]

17. rodeodance, Ah the one that believes Hillary didn't lie about Bosnia, and it was all true.

It was one big conspiracy against her. How can anybody take you seriously?

[rodeodance]

56. You are telling lies about what you Think you remember I said.

[anigbrowl]

115. Really? Clearly I've been missing out on some lughs thanks to this ignore feature

Guess we're not allowed to see the video of Clinton under fire for security reasons. That footage of her on the tarmac - body double, like when we didn't go to the moon. I'll look for the truth over at Alex Jones' website.

[merh]

31. He was addressing it as it came in the campaign

he had to answer the kooky emails and rumors that were going on around he - he had to tell the truth.

Hillary's lies reflectsd in the OP are not telling the truth. The "he did it too" never quite equals her lies.

[rodeodance]

59. He said it on the stump---he is not have to do it but he did.

[merh]

70. He had to say it - to dispel the myths that folks are putting out there

Do you think he goes into a region and doesn't talk to folks about what they are hearing and what he might need to address. I live in MS, I know that those stupid lies were put out there before the primaries. HE HAD TO ANSWER THEM.

[anamandujano]

4. They've been crying for her to step down for weeks "for the good

of the party." They did not want PA to vote. She is correct. Obama successfully shut down the re-votes in Florida and Michigan.

What the fuk are you kvetching about? You don't have a leg to stand on.

[DerekJ]

18. You firmly belive, she never wanted to disfrenchise them?!!

She always wanted the delegates to count??

[sandnsea]

75. PA won't change a damn thing

Unless she wins it and all the other states by 70%. Face reality. She lost. And there's just no way to do a fair revote in FL & MI. It's just not possible to recreate a situation that gives the entire state an opportunity to register for the first time, or register as a Dem and vote.

[K Gardner]

5. Yes, its the new MEME and the MSM, aka Andrea Mitchell, just sat and let

Wolfson spew this filth yesterday unchallenged. Hillary says this at EVERY stop. No one calls her on it. Rendell says it too, but I heard he got Worst Person, but I think that was for praising Fox News.

What a bunch of lying losers.

[anamandujano]

7. Not a lie, it's true. Too bad for Obama that he finally got called on it.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

74. Hillary offered Andrea Mitchell's husband a job

fixing the economy when he helped set its destruction.

[kevinmc]

6. I hear this guy is one of her Advisors

[flor de jasmim]

9. She is also a diplomatic disaster (Canada, Bosnia):

because she is so focused on herself and the moment, she simply does not see (or does not recognize) the fallout in Canada-US relations and Bosnia-US relations by her actions. Or the fact that she claims to suffer when she is sleep-deprived but wants us to believe that she is ready for a 3 a.m. call! Either she is just spinning around like a top and is just reacting first to one thing or another, or she thinks that somehow she'll be able to sort everything out later, ONCE she has won... I don't know. But she comes across as being inauthentic on so many levels. If she can't even fake sincerity....

[40ozDonkey]

15. Reacting. Her whole campaign has been about reacting.

She hasn't had a solid plan to follow since January. Everything in her campaign depends on Obama's fortunes or misfortunes, and it shows.

Mark Penn was a $6 million dollar disaster, and just one more reason why cronyism is a huge pile of fail.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

64. Interesting point (the reacting thing). nt

[readmoreoften]

13. Good thing Obama is an honest politician. Because they exist.

No, she's just a bad liar. He's a good liar--that's why you don't notice it. Career politicians who takes money from insurance companies and brokerages are liars by definition. It's all rhetoric--which is just a fancy word for big bag of shit. Okay, that's not true, sometimes it's a photo op. And other times its a rousing speech written by a hired gun.

Get over it.

[Vattel]

14. yet another

ill-informed attack. Obama said both things. He suggested that she should drop out before saying that she stay in.

[Perry Logan]

19. Logan's Law: all accusations against Hillary are bullshit--particularly accusations of lying.

You'll notice the anti-Hillary people like to falsely accuse her of lying, over and over again. This strikes me as pathological.

[RandomKoolzip]

50. So she WAS under sniper fire in Bosnia?

Huh.

[D23MIURG23]

140. D23MIURG23's prediction based on Logan's Law:

W could add 10 points to his approval rating overnight by getting Hillary to repeat half of his bullshit.

If you believe Hillary didn't see her vote for IWR as a vote for war, you will believe positively anything.

Its called suspension of disbelief.

[Adelante]

20. Link, please

When did he say she should drop out?

[JTFrog]

22. Prove it. He said she should run as long as she wants. STFU or

put up.

[TexasLady]

55. exactly, even a hillary supporter here acknowledged it

and it was appreciated, by me anyway.

[baldguy]

34. Obama specifically said that Hillary stay in the race as long as she wants.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-campaign_.1mar30,0,3446864.story

He never made any statement to the contrary.

[dchill]

57. Link?

[kevinmc]

21. kevinmc's Law: All Accusations of Hillary Lying are True. We have the Videos ..

[backscatter712]

62. backscatter's Corrolary: Accusations of Hillary's lying are falsely projected onto Obama by her fans

Just look at this thread...

[Berry Cool]

23. It's not just lying, it's Republican-style reframing of the issue to make your opponent look bad.

Are you losing a nomination fight badly? Do you desperately need votes from delegates who voted for you, but whose votes have already been pre-declared illegal because their states broke a rule? Do you need to take others' call for you to quit campaigning before all the states have had primaries, because you can't possibly numerically win, and turn it around to your favor?

Don't claim "I want those uncounted delegates to count anyway." Don't say "I'm going to stay in till the bitter end, even if I have no chance to win." NO!!!!

Say: "Why doesn't my OPPONENT want those people's voices to be heard? Why does he want to SILENCE them? Why doesn't he want them to have a VOTE? (Patriotic music begins to play, and you step up onto the soapbox) DISENFRANCHISEMENT IS UNAMERICAN!!!!!! And HE, of ALL people, should know it!!"

VERY Rovian.

[oviedodem]

24. While I do agree that Politicians "bend" the truth, but Hillary does it without batting an eye.

[BeyondGeography]

25. This from a candidate whose whole strategy was to win it all on Feb. 5

[C_U_L8R]

26. Rendell just repeated the same lie on Mourning Joe

Funny, their lies are not helping themselves one bit.

[totodeinhere]

29. Yes, she has lied, but calling her a "pathological liar" is going to far.

Both sides need to stay away from hyperbole like that.

[Diane R]

102. I stand by Pathological Liar. She lies daily. I'll bet she's lying at this very moment.

[UALRBSofL]

30. OP quit drinking the Kool-Aid

Is all we need to tell you.

[Maribelle]

32. Yes, this 'good cop/bad cop' play act of Obama's isn't flying. Obama sends in his surrogates ...

to damage Clinton as much as possible then puts on the innocent act to boondoggle his followers. He's good at that.

Obama knew early on he could only win the nomination by wholly destroying Hillary, just as he destroyed his competition in the early days of his political ambition. And so, the demolition began in one of the debates, became fiery hot in South Carolina, and then went full throttle when South Carolina worked so successfully. It is now all-consuming within the Chicago-style Obama campaign, the number one priority on his critical path to victory.

[JayFredMuggs]

35. Do you have a link to your rant? Perhaps one based upon facts?

That "Obama knew early on that he could only win the nomination by destoying Hillary" or

that "it's now all-consuming within the Chicago-style Obama campaign" (whatever THAT means!)

or "the demolition began in one of the debates" or "became fiery (sic) hot in South Carolina"

Or are you just reading from a Hillary campaign website?

[Maribelle]

39. About that Chicago-style of Obama ...

The Chicago Way

"The man now running for president on a message of giving a voice to the voiceless first
entered public office not by leveling the playing field, but by clearing it."

http://www.houstonpress.com/2008-02-28/news/barack-obama-screamed-at-me/full

Iowa:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/sweet/677312,CST-NWS-sweet02.article

Nevada:
http://broadcatching.wordpress.com/2008/01/15/obama-begins-the-serious-chicago-style-political-treatment-on-hillary/

The cutthroat, fraudulent politics that lie at the foundation of Obama's supposedly uplifting campaign

Race Man - How Barack Obama played the race card and blamed Hillary Clinton.

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304

From Ralph Waldo Emerson to Deval Patrick, the politics of hope have been a bust.
Yes, We Can’t
http://www.city-journal.org/2008/eon0225fs.html

[D23MIURG23]

142. Did you read that last link?

And Schlesinger rebuked the leftists who, admiring the USSR, couldn’t believe that “ugly facts underlie fair words.” It was an intellectual tour de force.

But a little more than a decade later, Schlesinger—romanced by John F. Kennedy—walked away from these arguments. His admiration for the liberalism of a “moderate pessimism about man” was replaced by hero-worship and a sense of the dashing, aristocratic, articulate Kennedy as someone who could transcend standard political categories.

Am I supposed to believe that supporting Kennedy is in some way comparable to apologizing for Stalinism?

[Vinca]

36. She fabricates with such ease, it's really scary. She must know

there is videotape of Obama saying she should stay in the race. Someone needs to put together a tape of Obama telling her to stay in spliced with her neverending lies.

[Yael]

37. Traits of a pathological liar

* Exaggerates things that are ridiculous.

* One-upping. Whatever you do, this person can do it better.

* They "construct" a reality around themselve

* They lie about even the smallest things. For example, saying "I brushed my teeth today," when they didn't.

* They add exaggerations to every sentence.

* They change their story all the time.

* They act very defensively when you question their statements.

* They believe what they say is true, when everyone else knows it isn't.

* Lies when it is very easy to tell the truth.

* Lies to get sympathy, to look beter, to save their butt, etc.

* Fools people at first but once they get to know him, no one believes anything they ever say.

* May have a personality disorder.

* Extremely manipulative.

* Has been caught in lies repeatedly.

* Never fesses up to the lies.

* Is a legend in their own mind.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_can_you_tell_if_someone_is_a_pathological_liar

[1776Forever]

40. From the 2 lists these 3 items seem to jump out at me about Hillary:

1.) She lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others

2.) Extremely manipulative.

and 3.) Has been caught in lies repeatedly.

For a woman she seems very cold to me and she will do anything to manipulate the issue around her in order to win. She has also been caught in many lies, some big ones and some small ones, but a heck of a lot of them!

Just today it was reported on the Huffington post site HRC is lying again! Can she not help herself?:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

Clinton Today: Obama Wants People To Stop Voting vs. Obama Sunday: Clinton Should Keep Running

:shrug:

[Medusa]

38. I've spent the last 8 years with a pathological liar as president

no more.

[bigtree]

41. must be infectious

[MethuenProgressive]

42. It's not like she lied about the Kennedys being responsible for her entire existance

Or about being conceived during a Civil Rights march in Selma.
Or about not knowing McClurkin was a homophobobic bigot.
Or about not knowing his slum-lord pal Rezko was a crook.
Or about not knowing his role model and advsor of 20 years was an anti-American racist.

Obama's a Class One liar - he lies, his followers know it, and they love him for it.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

58. Fail.

[powergirl]

43. She is on robotic auto pilot and her campaign thought Obama would tell her to drop out

When that didn't happen, the script wasn't changed. She read the lines she was supposed to read after "obama told her to drop out." I believe this is what happened with the Bosnia story. It was on the script. She retold that story in her wooden robotic emotionless manner over and over and over again. When facts were revealed that the story wasn't true, the script wasn't changed for 6 months. Her campaign is like a really bad commercial. It lacks any depth or sincerity. It is all about her and not about us.

:wow:

[zulchzulu]

44. She has a new more honest campaign message...

[proud2BlibKansan]

48. LOL!!

Check out the Hitler salute.

[powergirl]

45. A process that isn't retrofitted to maximize Clinton's chances isn't valid or legitimate

Truth doesn't matter to her. She will say or do anything. She does not care.


"Josh Marshall and others have commented on the increasingly tortured logic used to support her claims of legitimacy. The ritual recitation of her advisors' byzantine logic is becomingly increasingly meaningless. If the only way to consider her the "winner" was to count the votes of anemic Virgos who cast their ballots by the light of the full moon, that's the argument they'd be making."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/truth-is-the-first-casual_b_94260.html

[SoCalDem]

49. Who did her hair & make-up for that commercial?? Amy Winehouse's stylist?

She's positively ORANGE and that greasy hair look is not good for her :)

The light blue suit is nice though:)

[ORDem]

52. Kick.

:kick:

[anonymous171]

54. The media is letting her get away with it. Obama needs to hold a "shame on you" style press conf.

[Raffi Ella]

60. lol, Obama has done this since the beginning

what's absolutely stunning! is you see this in her but not in Obama. It's ok and cheered when Obama does it but let Hillary play the same game and she is a Monster. :eyes:

[Erin Elizabeth]

61. I don't see how people even believe that shite.

If she were to withdraw, the other primaries would still happen. It's not as if the earth would stop turning on its axis if she dropped out.

Sheesh. She knows that. Everyone knows that.

[redqueen]

84. There might be a very small percentage that don't know that.

Why she's tailoring her message to woo them, I don't know.

[LoZoccolo]

63. I don't understand why Hillary and some of her supporters want to prevent a black president. n/t

[Cherchez la Femme]

147. I don't understand why Obama and his supporters want to prevent a female president

Tit for tat. How you like it? Don't pull that racist bullshit on US. You're talking to fellow Democrats, don't you people GET that??

All of you people are a total fucking turn off. FUCK the issues and problems in this country that are occurring NOW, let's trash Hillary and just as important, spew pure crap.

You want to talk about division?
It is this bullshit rhetoric which has alienated many good Dem's from this site alone.

You're doing Obama no favors.
None whatsoever.

[Shae]

66. What I don't understand

Didn't she know there was video of her Bosnia greeting?
What does it say of someone's judgment to lie about something that they know was videotaped?

[SeaLyons]

67. Not a lie....

It's absolutely true.

Go Hillary!!

[ProSense]

68. No, it's a lie:

Hillary Telling Local Media In Future Voting States That Obama Wants Race To End

By Greg Sargent - April 1, 2008, 11:04AM

Hillary appears to have adopted a concerted strategy of telling local media in states that will vote after Pennsylvania that Obama and his supporters are opposed to allowing those states' residents to vote.

Here's Hillary making that case in an interview with a local TV station in North Carolina...

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Hillary made similar comments to a Montana station, too, and to one in Indiana. These comments appear to be targeted towards local media; she hasn't to my knowledge gone this far in her speeches or in her comments to the national political press.

While it's true that Obama surrogates have called for her to drop out, the farthest that any Obama campaign official has gone is to say that Hillary almost certainly can't win the contest and that there should be a "sober" evaluation of her chances. And Obama himself has explicitly said she has a right to continue campaigning.

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[SeaLyons]

69. Like I said,,,,

not a lie. Furthermore, who gives a damn about this stupid bullshit!! Obama and his surrogates have been whining for her to get out for weeks now. Nothing wrong with her talking about. She IS NOT LYING.

Hillary for President!!!!:hi:

[ProSense]

71. You wouldn't give a damn that Hillary is lying to voters that Obama wants to end the race.

Figures!

It's only a matter of time before she has to face the reality of losing!

[DUyellow]

76. Mispeaking is saying "it will be over on February 5." Saying Obama doesn't want NC to vote is a lie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saBU6ux0hsQ

[ProSense]

78. Exactly, thanks. n/t

[DUyellow]

85. no problem... I am Pro making Sense!

[walldude]

111. Obama was quoted as saying Hillary should stay in

Just a day or so ago..

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080329/pl_nm/usa_politics_dc

Care to retract the "statement(lie) that you just told about Obama wanting Hillary out of the race?

[Erin Elizabeth]

88. It's absolutely a baldfaced lie.

If she were to withdraw TODAY, the Pennsylvania primary would still happen, the Indiana primary would still happen, ALL the remaining primaries would still happen.

Then the national convention would still happen and the general election, believe it or not!, would still happen!

Amazing!

Did all the primaries stop when Edwards dropped out? No. It doesn't work that way and she knows it. She's using fear-mongering---ooooo the black man is trying to STEAL your vote away from you!!!

Geeeeez. Low and ridiculous. And a lie.

[SeaLyons]

94. What????????????

What would all those future primaries be held for, if she withdrew today? If she withdrew today, the primary would be OVER!

No fear mongering going on from the Clinton camp. Just the truth.

Only thing rediculous is your post.

:crazy:

Go Hillary!

[Erin Elizabeth]

109. This is the truth?

“I didn’t understand why Senator Obama and some of his supporters wanted to prevent you and other states from actually being able to vote,” she told a television station in Wilmington, N.C. (Mr. Obama has said that she should stay in the race.)"


How does Senator Obama want to keep people from voting in the states that haven't had their primaries yet? Can you explain that, then? That's straight from her mouth.

She needs to put up or shut up with these weirdo accusations that have absolutely no basis in reality or truth.

[walldude]

112. Here let me post that link again in case you missed it

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080329/pl_nm/usa_politics_dc

Care to retract your statement? Or are you going to run away with your tail between your legs. Or maybe you need time to come up with another lie to cover your first "misstatement... :rofl:

[quantass]

72. YES SHE IS A LIAR (she cant stop)

[milkyway]

87. Primary races are usually over by now, yet people still vote. Clinton dropping out would not prevent

Pennsylvanians from voting.

You're right, this is a bald-faced lie that really annoyed me when I first read it earlier this morning. When did Obama or his supporters ever try to shut down the voting in Pennsylvania?

Clinton expected the race to be over on Super Tuesday at the latest. Her campaign was built around her inevitability, winning Iowa and New Hampshire, and every other candidate dropping out no later than Super Tuesday. She never even had a Plan B that included Pennsylvanians actually having a say in who was the nominee.

[Cha]

89. Some LIARS busted on an international

stage would tone down their incessant Lying..but, not pathological, apparently.

I'm waiting for team Obama to come out and lay it out why hilary is LYING AGAIN.

hilary is a hang dog liar..you just know she warms up in the morning with bacon flavored lie strips.

[pompano]

95. I wonder....

...if someone can find the tape of Obama saying he wanted her to stay in? Then send it to every news media outlet one can find.

Even the Bosnia lie had a paper thin shred of humor to it. This is just a bald-faced malicious lie if it happened this way. I see what she is doing here. She isn't saying he said that. She is implying he "wanted" this? She put it out with the intent to make one think she quoted him without stepping on that limb. This was slick, I'll have to say that. His supporters did not want to deny them a chance to vote, they wanted to end the fracturing of the party. In essence she blames her piss poor showings on the Obama supporters. She is the one loosing the damn delegates, not Obama supporters.

If America has set the bar this low in picking our Presidents we deserve her.

Lets see how much tread the media can get off of this tire.

I know the superdelegates read DU. Are ya'll watching this unfold?

[pompano]

98. OMG...now

I just heard on TV see is comparing herself to Rocky Bilboa. Please tell me my ears deceived me.

I am embarrassed to :cry:!

I can't figure out why we didn't get a bowling feat whopper? After the photo-op of Obama bowling, I was certain a whopper would be dressed up ASAP. I suppose after sniper fire and 300 bowling score is sorta unclimatic?

I get it now. Sniper fire, Rocky, ...Rambo, she has been watching Rambo.

:rofl: :sarcasm:

[Hepburn]

103. Hillary Clinton is such a fucking liar....

...if they gave Olympic medals, she would win, place and show.

[progdog]

105. Now she's saying "Mr. Obama is tired".

He wants the race to end. "TIRED"? "Mr"?
:mad:

[coalition_unwilling]

106. Jeesh, she claimed she was "mis-led" about pre-war intelligence

on Iraq's WMD programs. If she's telling the truth, she's the biggest dupe in the history of American presidential politics. And if she's not telling the truth . . . don't you have to ask why she really voted for the Iraq invasion\occupation?

My theory: HilBilly wanted to prove how "tough" she was on national security issues to position herself for 2008. So that means HilBilly was willing to sacrifice 25% of Iraq's civilian population (1,000,000+ dead, 2,000,000+ wounded, 4,000,000+ displaced) in pursuit of her political ambition.

Now that's just downright despicable.

[pompano]

110. It is obvious....

the Clintons do nothing without an alterior motive that benefits the Clintons greed for power and money. I hate like hell to feel that way but the obvious is the obvious.

Noone will ever convince me that her vote to authorize IWR was anything other than looking at a political crystal ball. She, along with some others, were perfectly willing to sacrafice our kids and theirs in hopes of a political pay-off later. Thats my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

Her problem happened when this ticker tape parade her and the others thought they would enjoy as the supposed "cakewalk" unfolded turned into a $10billion a week quagmire and the ammount of death and destruction America doesn't have the stomach for, started showing up at the voting polls. When she gambles she hides the dice and simply grabs another pair and blames the table runner for being blind.

Sickening beyond human comprehension.

But, thats my opinion.

[Texas Hill Country]

108. actually, it is not a lie...

Obama only made that statement so that he wouldnt look like HE was trying to muscle her out in fear of a women's backlash, but he certainly waited a while and had his surrogates come right out with it, pounding on her for a couple weeks.


Ridiculous.

[walldude]

113. Oh so now it'n not a lie because you can read Obama's mind..

Maybe he said it because he's not afraid he's going to lose... Hillary's camp can play with the numbers all they want, as it stands right now, Obama is leading.

[Texas Hill Country]

116. OH PLEASE. it is an incredibly common political tactic, have a surrogate say some bullshit, then...

you come back and say something else after the damage is done...


Barack has done it several times... so has Hillary, to be fair.

[walldude]

120. That's why, to be fair, I'm voting for whoever wins

The only time I see a huge difference between candidates is on DU and then it's mostly the "Obama hates babies" or "Hillary is a racist" variety...

[pompano]

117. Yep.

I have a sneaky feeling that the super delegates are sick of this little song and dance to. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see this fiasco comming to a screaching halt and in short order as well.

I can't see them sitting around and being a witness to this train wreck without a threshold for Party unity. One, is obviously not going to play above the board.

But, I've been wrong before, won't be the first time.

[apocalypsehow]

114. Exactly right - and take a look at her supporters in this thread who are just A-Okay with it.

I swear, the return of these bleating HRC boosters to DU from wherever it is they slunk off to in their silly "Boycott" (I don't think it was the site they claimed to be running off to, if you catch my drift...) is making me rethink my decision to have only one particularly nasty serial liar on my *ignore* list. It might be time to update that list, by the dozens.

[avrdream]

118. You mean like these exagerations from Barry himself?

My parents got together at the Selma march and I came along as a result of it.

No. You were born four years before the Selma march.

We saw this week he said a new one was unveiled this week in that same Selma speech, he said my father came to the United States because of the generosity of the Kennedy family.

It turns out the Kennedys funded the program that his father participated in after his father came here.

You know, I was a law school professor.

No, you were an instructor.

I came up with this fantastic asbestos abatement program. I mean we've got a whole series of these for him as well.

(From Karl Rove on Fox. The Repubs are analyzing BOTH of our candidates for inconsistencies, by the way.)

[apocalypsehow]

119. Who's "Barry"?

...ooooohhhhh, I get it: you think you're being "cute" with such kindergarten silliness.

:eyes:

[avrdream]

151. Ummm, FYI, that's what Michelle calls him.

Kindergarten.

I am a physician. Many fucking more years of education beyond kindy.

[LulaMay]

121. "pathological liar"? Alerted. I bet 100.00 this name calling trash is allowed to ride.

[LulaMay]

122. Hey Skinner, if you take it down, you can put my hundred bucks towards your legal costs for DU!

[AZ Criminal JD]

128. You won your hundred bucks. Hope they payoff.

[butterfly77]

123. She is also desperate...

[southerncrone]

125. One of the reasons I will have a VERY hard time voting for her if she's the Dem nom.

[mrJJ]

126. Clinton Trait

"I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again," he said with a clenched jaw and stern expression that day. "I did not have sexual
relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time, never. These allegations are false."

A Clinton Family Trait

Nafta
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BrPZYbCdJ4

Bosnia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It6JN7ALF7Y

Ireland
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBCmKkLdCuA

October 11, 2007
Flashback: Does Michigan Matter to Clinton?

Hillary Clinton, during which she was asked about the Michigan primary:

"I personally did not think it made any difference, whether or not my name was on the ballot. You know, it's clear, in this election they're having, it is not going to count for anything."

http://www.youtube.com/user/MDRUDGE

[mdmc]

127. i know

[mtnsnake]

129. Your out to lunch. Hillary has never intentionally lied, not even once in her life, unlike Obama

who seems to make it a habit lately.

Yeah, sure, Barack, you were never in church on any of those days when Reverend Wright was acting up. Suurrrrre you weren't.

[mhoran]

135. It's astounding to me that you can even make such a statement.

And the Clinton supporters still want to accuse the Obama supporters of drinking the Kool-Aid? How is it even possible to attempt a rational discussion with someone who spews such nonsense. Damn the facts, admit to nothing, lie, distort, and work to break the rules when they don't suit you. Welcome to Bush-Rove-Clinton World!

[JayFredMuggs]

143. And Hillary with those sniper bullets?

What the HECK was that, repeated 3 times in 3 months on camaera..........that was NOT a lie?????

You people are so prejudiced against anyone taking Hillary away from your dreams....you are amazing. Such blind loyalty!

[Duder]

133. Congenital liar

"our first lady ... is a congenital liar." --New York Times, January 8, 1996

[L0oniX]

137. I still think CondoSleezza Rice is the bigger liar.

:evilgrin:

[elixir]

139. Garsh, didn't Obama and Co. want her to leave like..yesterday? Wouldn't that be why, Einstein?

[FightTheRight89]

141. Sometimes this woman just makes me want to drive nails into my head.

Maybe then the pain of hearing her speak would stop.

[Baby Snooks]

146. Hope it's not a portent...

If she is the nominee which she may be, but only if the superdelegates override the people, I hope this is not a portent and we end up with another liar in the White House.

The woman is just evil. Sorry but that's how quite a few people feel about her. Just the racist and xenophobic tone of her campaign of late is sufficient reason not to vote for her for president.

[AmericanUnity]

149. The 4 year delay Hillary was largely responsible cost 250,000 lives in Bosnia so her health plan ...

would be a priority.

I'm sorry. I supported the Clinton's through thick and thin when Bill was in the WH. Now, THEY need to be good Democrats and do what's best for the Democratic Party and quit being so egocentric to the point of hurting our chances in what SHOULD be an easy WH win.

I'm a 40 year Democrat voter.

[StevieM]

150. Obama wakes up lying and goes to bed lying. He is a very bad person (eom)

[RazBerryBeret]

152. She's using this lie

to make herself look like a victim again, for votes.
Poor little me, everyone is ganging up on me, maybe it's because I'm a woman....

I hope it doesn't work this time...c'mon PA, you're smarter than this!!!

How do you think the "victim" strategy would play out with world leaders?

[Perry Logan]

153. Normal readers may have noticed that Clintophobes love to falsely accuse the Clintons of lying.

It's obvious by now that a few people irrationally hate the Clintons to an alarming degree. These people are convinced the Clintons are evil and are lying at every turn. Hardly a day does by at DU without one or two new accusations of what ripping great liars they are. Other Clintophobes join the fray, agreeing with one another over and over again, the better to reinforce their delusional reality.

What an insult to the Democrats who like and support Hillary! But never mind...

I think "Clintophobia" is distinctly pathological. Just look at the crazies who count the number of people the Clintons have murdered in their ruthless quest for power. These people should probably be under psychiatric observation, if not institutionalized. What we're dealing with at DU is only a milder version of the same disorder.

In the mind of the Clintophobe, all accusations against the Clintons are immediately and uncriticially believed to be true. This is a primary symptom of this weird political aberration. Clintophobes can make up a goofy accusation one minute, and believe it the next--a psychological feat comparable to sticking one's head up one's own ass.

Threads like this one appear, trumpeting and repeating the latest accusation(s) against the beleaguered Clinton clan. A quick glance through these threads invariably reveals one or two excellent debunkings of the false accusations.

But the Clintophobes just go on trucking, agreeing with one another about what liars the Clintons are, when it's all a complete fabrication.