As an Obama Supporter, I WANT Clinton to Stay in the Race until all Primaries are Over

[berni_mccoy]

She's not going to win. Instead, she's going to continue spending money and resources on a lost cause, which will keep her from running an independent general election campaign. That's right, you heard me correctly. And she *would* run in the general election as an independent if she had the resources. You know she would. She would pull a total Lieberman on this. After all, she is willing to take the contest to the convention, which she will outrightly be denied by the DNC. But if she quits the primary, this gives her plenty of time to run a general election campaign against Obama, causing him to lose.

Remember, she knows she can't win now. But she's doing this to hurt Obama as much as possible so he can't win, allowing her one more shot in 2012. And if she runs as an indie in 2008, she will most certainly hurt Obama's chances of winning. She knows at least 28% of her supporters will not vote for Obama in the general election, and if she stays in as an indie... well... lets just say she'll definitely lose her super delegate status as a Democrat.

So, I have to say, stay in the fight Hillary. Keep raising your debt and exposing yourself. Ruin your chances for an indie run.

On edit: she's proven she's desperate enough to try anything. On Fox News Interview, she has threatened a credential battle at the convention floor and she's already started that kind of b.s. in Texas. Lieberman is a perfect example of this tactic and he *won* Connecticut and is a member of the DLC like Clinton (only she's higher ranking in that org). Her staffers have as much as admitted the scorched earth strategy to keep Obama from winning.

[leftofcool]

1. Oh please!

If you O supporters are so sure you golden child has the nomination in the bag, why are you so concerned about Hillary staying in the race? Posts like this are not only stupid, they are annoying.

[cali]

2. I do too, but the reason I want her to stay in

until all have voted is that I want her supporters to see that Obama won fair and square. And she'd never make an indie run. That's just nutty.

[Bolo Boffin]

5. Right on.

What I expect to see is that Clinton closes the gap some after the last primary, but not enough. The undeclared superdelegates will then put Obama over the top.

Florida and Michigan can then be seated (probably stripped of half their delegates at a minimum). The number of needed delegates then rises accordingly and Obama still wins.

But Clinton should and will stay in until after the primaries are over at least.

[berni_mccoy]

8. She's not sane. Lieberman did the same thing in Connecticut.

And she's threatened a credential battle on the DNC floor. She's desperate to try anything.

[cali]

12. that's absurd. And she hasn't done anything like

what Lieberman did in CT. As I've said, it'll all be over by zone 3 planting time.

[berni_mccoy]

13. I hope you are right.

[Ninga]

3. An interesting thought berni_mccoy. Case in point, Joe Lieberman. VP candidate one day,

McCain butt boy the next.

One thing I have learned about politics is that you "never say never"

[readmoreoften]

4. Wow you had a chance to be nice, but then exploded into paranoid conspiracy theories.

Not helping.

[Irishman26]

6. While Hillary may not be what everyone would want in a President...

one thing is for sure: she's extremely intelligent. Running as an indie would be political suicide for her. Simply put, she's not dumb enough to do something like that.

But I'm with Cali on this one. I want her to stay in for as long as she pleases for the sake of having no excuses or controversies. Let's just let it play out.

[salbi]

7. I want her out as soon as possible so that her supporters

have time to get over any bad feelings before the GE. I see your point about her wanting to run as an independent to take votes from Obama. I hope it doesn't come to that. My only concern about her staying in till the end is there are such strong feelings on both sides that will take time to heal. The longer this goes on, the shorter the time for her supporters to get on board getting Obama to win. I know if it were the other way around I would have bad feelings towards her for awhile but eventually would realize that I need to do anything it takes to make sure McCain doesn't win. Even if it meant campaigning for someone who was not my ideal candidate. Just my opinion

[leftofcool]

20. Her supporters don't harbor bad feelings

they just think Obama is a snake oil salesman and quite frankly, won't vote for him

[GoldieAZ49]

9. I want to see it go to the convention

since neither candidate will have 2025 it should go to the convention for the delegate vote.

[cali]

14. If SDs endorse one or the other in the numbers needed, one of them

will indeed have 2025. If that happens, do you still want it to go to the convention? Even if it's hills who has the 2025?

[GoldieAZ49]

16. yes, endorsements are all well and good, but they are not votes

the votes need to be cast and unfortunately they don't do that until the convention.

[cali]

17. glad to see you don't really give a shit about dems winning the WH

unless it can be dear hilly. Of course I already knew that. Haven't you stated that you won't vote for Obama no matter what. And if Hilly insists on taking it to the convention under that scenario, she'll become nothing but a joke and despised within her own party and by her peers.

[GoldieAZ49]

24. Actually cali, with the shorter time frame

to the GE it could be an advantage, there will not be enough time for the Repubs to mount much of a campaign against the candidate.

Oh, and I did say either H or O need to get the delegate votes, not just O.

[Vinca]

10. I'm looking forward to the day when Obama has enough delegates

and popular votes that he can call up the DNC and tell them to let Hillary have whatever she wants to claim in Michigan and Florida if that's what it will take to make her feel better. Hillary wants a coronation and somehow I suspect if she gets her Michigan and Florida delegates thrown in and still loses, she'll whine until the end of time that it was stolen from her. I'm so over the Clintons.

[NDambi]

11. I think she should stay until the end so there's no lamenting about being

forced out...

You got what you wanted, you stayed in and you still lost.

No Woman. No Cry!

[hill_win_2008]

15. O supporters are grasping

This is just yet another grasp from Obama supporters to stop people from voting.

If you O supporters are so confident in your guy, then just try to win votes. Instead, you spend most of the time trying to stop votes from counting. What are you so afraid of if, as you say, Hillary CAN'T win?

I don't believe she can't win. And, the race is too close right now, but I'm not about to call for Obama to drop out. Let the voting go on!

[berni_mccoy]

18. How do you go from me wanting to continue to the last primary to saying I don't want people to vote

You are crazy. I'm not calling for Clinton to drop out. Either you can't read or have no higher-level reasoning (typical of a freeper).

[leftofcool]

21. Anyone who disagrees with is a freeper?

never mind........yer a kool-aid drinker

[hill_win_2008]

22. You're worse

No, you're not calling for her to drop out. You are saying she can't win, but is only staying in to run as an Indie. And that's sane?!?

[berni_mccoy]

26. Again, you are jumping to conclusions. I'm saying I want the race to go on so she CAN'T

run as an indie. If she were going to run as an indie, she would have dropped out by now. But go ahead with your freeper logic. It suits you.

[mmonk]

19. Nah. She won't do that.

[redsoxrudy]

23. i don't think she will run as an indie

that being said since this race started i can't tell you how many times i have said "there is no way HRC could possibly -fill in the blank." then she goes and does it so i guess crazier things have happened.

[moondust]

25. Me too but for a different reason.

Republican campaigns are always about destroying their opponent through character assassination, making their own candidate the last man standing to claim victory. While there are two or more Dem candidates still in the race the focus of the Republican slime machine remains divided. Attempting to destroy more than one opponent is too costly and thus less effective in both cases.

[northzax]

27. see, I would think you'd want her to stay in

because it keeps people's attentions focused on the Democrats, making the eventual winner even stronger. as long as the winger factions on both sides can avoid the nasty tone they both seem to want so badly, this is nothing but millions and millions of dollars in free advertising. You think Obama draws 22 thousand in Pittsburgh and national media coverage if the campaign is over? you think his speech on race gets that much attention? no one cares about the Presidential race in the period between the primaries and the Conventions. no one cares. talk to them in September, at the earliest. How's the coverage of John McCain? the guy can't buy a story. he's irrelevant until the conventions.

people are attracted to the race. how many volunteers do each campaign have in Pennsylvania? how many of those would be there, working, if there wasn't a real race?

[pkz]

28. I want her to stay in too

Mainly, just because I do not want to hear any "Obama stole the election" rhetoric after it's all over.

But...you know what? I feel sorry for her. I have felt sorry for her for years.
Oh...she didn't want my pity I am sure, but I had it anyway.

Where does she go after the Primaries are over?

Lots of the Senate has turned their backs on her.
She knows that now.

New York? Aren't they going to resent that she lays claim to four states as her home?

After some of her remarks, and deeds who would really want her in a political office?

[sallyseven]

35. You are living in a dream world.

Hillary is respected and admired but only in the Senate. The penis's are afraid of her being president. It is the last bastion for the males in this country. Only safe avenue for the males.

[Orsino]

29. I would agree in part...

...were it not for the free ride McCain's getting in the MSM. I would hope that at least one Dem candidate is paying attention, and is considering dropping out for the good of the party. Not immediately, mind you, but someday soon? Perhaps after PA, when the looked-for miracle doesn't materialize?

Just maybe?

I understand that a candidate has to pretend to be in it to win it, right up until ten seconds before conceding. I just hope that Clinton is enough of a realist to have a graceful exit plan nearly ready, one that will enhance the party's chances in November.

[berni_mccoy]

31. It will be over in June, after the last primary is held. Clinton will lose and

will be totally strapped in Debt. She will not be able to run a general election campaign. That will leave enough time for Obama to win the General Election against McCain.

[4themind]

30. Definitely something to think about, although

I think a reasonable argument could also be made that she not would run as an indie even IF she had the resources to, if her primary motivation was to cause obama to lose so she could go for the nomination in 2012. Think about it this way, would lieberman get the democratic nomination after what he pulled in a SENATE race? Let alone if he had instead decided to run as an independent for PRESIDENT in the previous election cycle (apologies for caps but just wanted to emphasize how I'd think joe would have very little chance here) I'd concede that I can't definitively prove that people would refuse to vote for her SOLELY for that reason, but I think it would still weigh heavily on her mind if she contemplated such a thing and might dissuade her from doing so?

With her current strategy she can still use the cloak of "all votes must count" to perhaps mask her future ambitions. Even if she takes it to the convention she could still use that same meme for FL and MI (although this is arguably more tenuous because one could say that obama would have less reason to fight against the seating if he had less to lose as a result i.e. the nomination, which might increase rather than reduce the chances of the delegation being seated) Although I do understand your argument and think it definitely deserves consideration as well

Although I DO hope that Bob barr does an indie run, hehe

[BlooInBloo]

32. Me too, but not for that reason.

[Barack_America]

33. Another reason I don't mind it....Democratic Voter Registration.

There are record numbers of new democrats registered in each state this contest carries into.

Letting the rest of the elections play out only helps the Democrats in the general election...if, the storyline remains that her bid is ultimately hopeless and that Obama WILL be the nominee.

[Lucky 13]

34. Damned if you do. Damned if you don't.

If Obama supporters tell Hillary to drop out, people scream in outrage.
If Obama supporters tell Hillary to stay in, people scream in outrage.

I don't know what we're supposed to say at this point that WON'T get us yelled at, but if you come up with something let us know.

Stay in. Drop out. I don't fucking care.